Will a X18xel run on x16xe management?

[maddogdaz666]

i have an x16xe ive just taken from a corsa that ive put a c20xe in, but one of the pistons is not connected to the crank, ive got everything to make it run like loom ecu chip and transponder. so im looking for a cheap engine to possibly put in my loon, or use for a future conversion. im tempted by an x18xel. as this will mount up the same onto the gearbox from the x16xe. but will it run on the x16xe management?
ive had a z16xe running on z14xe management before in an astra mk4 i bought with a seized engine.
any help please!!

[shed-on-wheels]

isnt the x18xel a fly by wire though?

[AlexW]

Some wrong stuff going on in here. You mean the Cable throttle Smallblock 1.8? Engine code is X18XE1, Although the Z18XE is the same engine with a FBW throttle.

I doubt it would work well enough tbh.

[maddogdaz666]

yeah cable driven, x18xe1, should it work then if i cant get hold of a x16xe local?

[AlexW]

I'm not convinced that it would work lol.

X16 Head on the 1.8 would be cool though.

[maddogdaz666]

would that raise the compression? As that might be a viable option :)

[Adam]

No it wont work, it has completely different sensors etc, pretty sure it has a afm too. And a 1.8 small block head wont fit a 1.6 16v small-block block.

[phazer]

Even if you swapped over the sensors and plumbed in the relevant bits such as the map sensor for the X16 management. The fuel and ignition maps will be all over the shop. It might well run but probably not very well.

If you're set on an XE1 then do it properly later - do some work to the engine and run it on aftermarket management. For now, find a cheapy X16 and chuck it in.

[MK999]

No it wont work, it has completely different sensors etc, pretty sure it has a afm too. And a 1.8 small block head wont fit a 1.6 16v small-block block.

Well, one of the heads must fit one of the blocks, because that's what the Corsa VXR is lol

[Adam]

Well, one of the heads must fit one of the blocks, because that's what the Corsa VXR is lol
:confused:
Corsa VXR=Small block 1.6 16v :wtf:

The s/b 1.8 engine has an internal breather setup in the block/head, so they differ to 1.6's

[MK999]

:confused:
Corsa VXR=Small block 1.6 16v :wtf:

The s/b 1.8 engine has an internal breather setup in the block/head, so they differ to 1.6's

VXR has a 1.8 head on it, Z18XE which is the same as X18XE1

[Adam]

Put a 16 16v h/g next to a z/x18xe1 hg.
They are totally different :thumb:

[Danny s-p]

Well, one of the heads must fit one of the blocks, because that's what the Corsa VXR is lolcorsa vxr is a big block 1.6 with 1.8 16v head there on about small blocks i think

[peester]

you can fit a x18xe1 into a nova and run it on the o.e x18xe1 management; just like people do with the 1.6 16v's..
Closest project ive seen that does this is dave franczaks (vtuning) old corsa b. I think warren g also has converted a few corsa b's with the x18xe1 engine with original management.

[Adam]

corsa vxr is a big block 1.6 with 1.8 16v head there on about small blocks i think
Its a small block 1.6 16v

[burgo]

Its a small block 1.6 16vgunny posted a pick of his vxr engine with the 1.8 head adam

[burgo]

corsa vxr is a big block 1.6 with 1.8 16v head there on about small blocks i thinklmfao, to much fail

[maddogdaz666]

sound like, tin, worms and open :)

[Southie]

Sell the engine and start again IMO, just buy a wrote off corsa 16xe if your wanting to go down that route, at least you'll have all the correct transponders to match the ecu.

Just a thought, probably nonsense but would the c16xe loom and ecu maybe work with it having afm and run a mantzel style inlet on it, of course a remap would be need for fuel. Not sure if all the other sensors would fit but it was only a theory ;)

[wwmnw]

X18 head wont fit on a 16XEL block.

http://www.vauxhall-sport-forum.com/phpBB2/x18xe1-head-x16xel-block-t15187.html

[burgo]

ok not the x18 but the z18

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113434&page=16

[peester]

just get a whole x18xe1 engine, thats a much simpler task lol.

[maddogdaz666]

it was just a thought as i have all the other parts here and cant find a x16xe engine local.

[Southie]

Fuuck this off.

[maddogdaz666]

yep! fuucked off! parts for sale! lol

[Danny s-p]

lmfao, to much failso how dose it run a big block box the same one as a astra vxr

[burgo]

so how dose it run a big block box the same one as a astra vxrthe same way you can bolt an f20 on a small block or an f13 on a big block, its the flywheel size that is the limiting factor not the bolt pattern

[Danny s-p]

the same way you can bolt an f20 on a small block or an f13 on a big block, its the flywheel size that is the limiting factor not the bolt patterna make sense now i always thort the bell housing wound not mate up

[phazer]

The box used on the Corsa isn't the same as the Astra VXR. There are a number of different bell housings/castings for the M32.

[phazer]

Check this for M32 info
http://www.opel-infos.de/getriebe/m32.html

[Southie]

Just a thought with this but could you maybe run the c16xe wiring loom and ecu with the engine? Probably a remap needed though for the fueling.

[phazer]

Just a thought with this but could you maybe run the c16xe wiring loom and ecu with the engine? Probably a remap needed though for the fueling.

If it's going to need a remap, he may as well carry on with the original idea. The X16 ECU could be remapped. Arguably the map sensor set-up the X16 runs would be able to adjust fuelling more than the AFM of the C16.

[Adam]

ok not the x18 but the z18

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113434&page=16
Ahh, so X18xe1 and Z18 heads are different.

I know 100% that one of them doesnt fit a 1.6 block.

[JimmyA]

neither the x18xe1 or z18xe head, which I think are the same, will fit the early small block 1.6 blocks (x16xe c16xe) as they have a breather cast into the block/head.

They may fit the corsa vxr 1.6 block as this is a later engine and so may have the breather aswell

[MK999]

Ahh, so X18xe1 and Z18 heads are different.

I know 100% that one of them doesnt fit a 1.6 block.

Yeah as above, they're the same engine, Z18 is just fly by wire/different management.

[Adam]

So I was right then :roll:

S/b 1.8 16v heads dont fit x/c16xe blocks.

[burgo]

if its just a breather though thats easy enough to get round

[MK999]

So I was right then :roll:

S/b 1.8 16v heads dont fit x/c16xe blocks.

I never said they didn't, I said one of the heads must fit one of the blocks because a Corsa VXR is, I assumed it was a newer block anyway as the mounts aren't the same lol

Also you originally said small block 1.6, not x/c16xe :p

[peester]

c1xe6/x16xe heads have been fitted the z18xe/x18xe1 blocks. But the people that have done it wont have posted a thread anywhere asking if or how it can be done.
Not sure why youde want to though - the o.e z18/x18xe1 head is much better design than the older c16/x16..