1800 Small Block / E16se Head

[mowgli]

this is my new engine project... has anyone done it??? did it work ok? valve/piston clash etc??

i'm guessing on a 1200st head gasket. anything else i need to know about

i have an astra mk2 1800 afm/ecu so it should just about fuel it ok till i can save up for a mappable ecu.

discuss

[mk1nova_rich]

sorry I can't really help out Mike but sounds an interesting project... best of luck with it :thumb:

You could always pocket the piston tops to be on the safe side...

[phazer]

What's the benefit of the E16 head over just using the whole X18?

[mowgli]

cost & a semblance of originality at the moment.

a complete engine is at a premium at the moment cos current ish cars are still snapping timing belts..

a std x18xe1 puts out 115hp. i reckon my hybrid with old fashioned ecu will easily do that.

[mk1nova_rich]

I assume because he already has an E16SE so potentially there is 200cc to be gained...

[mowgli]

i have a shed full of bits for an e16se too.

the bottom end on mine is getting a bit tired & i can't see the point in sticking another old one in.

cubic capacity is where its at, and my shell still hasn't done 12k & i don't want to start chopping the chassis rails up, so i want to stick with small block

[mk1nova_rich]

Perfect reasoning, whats the bore size on the 1800 Mike? ie compared to the 12ST for head gasket?

[mowgli]

actually, it is bigger, so 18xe1 gasket it is.

[peester]

as mentioned, the standard x18xe1/z18xe cylinder head will flow more air than any old 8 valve 'head- cant imagine doing this will be cheaper neither..
But, originality i like..
Get on migweb and serch for tomreid's 'oh no another bike carb thread' thread. He is currently trying to single cam 8v head onto small block 1.8.
But if it was me ide stick to the twin cam , original 'head. Theyre really small anyway, paint it black or summat lol

[mowgli]

as already said, a complete xe18xe1 or z18xe with enough stuff to make an engine run is a heap of money, even complete bare engines seem to cost big money.. i know that buying a complete car is the best way, but my domestic situation (the missus) won't allow it.

i get a short engine for £50, gaskets for 25, my spare time is free, and i get an engine for £75

a 16v one is going to be 3-400

[peester]

right well, give tom reid on mig a pm; he is getting more knowledgable by the day with the 8v head/1800 small block thing.

the thread:
http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/projects-restorations/457701-oh-no-another-bike-carb-thread-1800-small-block.html

[mowgli]

ta. interesting stuff... this should be a fun project

[John]

as already said, a complete xe18xe1 or z18xe with enough stuff to make an engine run is a heap of money, even complete bare engines seem to cost big money.. i know that buying a complete car is the best way, but my domestic situation (the missus) won't allow it.

i get a short engine for £50, gaskets for 25, my spare time is free, and i get an engine for £75

a 16v one is going to be 3-400

Mike i watched a whole v plate vectra b end on the bay, about 10 miles from me, mot fail (brake pipes, tyres arm bushes) 87k. It made £330.

[mowgli]

john, she would have the 24hr solicitor round within seconds of me bringing a donor car home.....

[peester]

lol.. yeah i won my vec b for less than £300, they are cheap.. shame bout the missus like

[gary_808]

irc, you couldn't build it in the x18xe1 block because of the breather on the side,

would have to fit the lot into the other block.

[John]

john, she would have the 24hr solicitor round within seconds of me bringing a donor car home.....

Ok, break it up here. :)

[mowgli]

irc, you couldn't build it in the x18xe1 block because of the breather on the side,

would have to fit the lot into the other block.

breathers can easily be moved though..

[MK999]

a 16v one is going to be 3-400

From breakers yards yes, an E16SE would cost you that from them too.

Last one I enquired into from a private breaker wanted £200ish for everything bar the transponder/key/ecu combo, as that'd been scrapped with the car that was needed out of the way.

[draper]

if youve got all the e16se bits then i can see the point but it could end up costing you just as much buying a complete 1800 imo

they are available for a good price if you keep your eyes peeled mowgli

[gary_808]

breathers can easily be moved though..

the huge one cast into the side of the block?

ttp://images2.fotosik.pl/162/3e5da1a1b6be098b.jpg
thats the z18xe gasket,
and a x16xe under it i think.
was always under the impression it was completely different, hence why people build it into the earlier block, (like x16xe etc)

like tom reids is.

[mowgli]

well, i have an early block....

[burgo]

i can get you a complete 1.8 16v for £70, theres 3-4 at me local at the mo, 5-6 1.6 16v's as well. also tom reid is on here as well

[mowgli]

burgo, please let me know where to get one. my local yards are crap.
i would need ecu & all the gubbins too.