festa turbo vs nova 2lrt 8valve

[torquey]

what do you rekon is quicker side by side race? mate keeps goin on about whos is quicker his is standard bar a exhaust mine is quite standard exhaust and filter !:d

[calibra-keith]

why not just do it and then see ....

[mowgli]

don't be daft......

alien vs predator

wotsits vs monster munch

we don't condone racing on anywhere except a track, so go to a run what ya brung day and find out properly.

[GDN16v]

Do it on a proper drag strip then you can see who's got the best reactions and exact times!

[torquey]

thats what i said roads are no good for it having to start and stop all the time and i dont believe in racing unless on a track!:thumb:

[db_1.2]

Fiesta all day

[Nova_Tek]

What year is the fiesta turbo?

[torquey]

h reg. efi

[db_1.2]

All Fiesta RS Turbos are EFI as far as i know

[Nova_Tek]

hmmm I'd say it'll be close. Both cars will weigh roughly the same. Fiest has around 133BHP just depends on which engine you have (SEH or NE) the gearbox and the driver.

[fastcar1cars]

fiesta!

[db_1.2]

Fiesta has considerable amount more power and torque looking at figures.

Its said the weight of a complete standard one is 910kg. I reckon a c20 weighs that atleast!

[torquey]

mine is the seh engine f16 box. :thumb:

[Edd]

I'd say the Fiesta because it's probably lighter due to rusting quicker than a nova

[db_1.2]

I'd say the Fiesta because it's probably lighter due to rusting quicker than a nova

You must be dreaming!

[Nova_Tek]

hmm 128bhp vs 133bhp both around the same weight. Down to driver and which ever engine is most healthy.

Only way to find out, as said, is a drag on a proper strip.

[torquey]

yeh there is that, ive asked a few people and they said nova would have the edge. no turbo to relie on cvh s**t engine to start with.

[Edd]

Mk3 fiesta's are well know to be mega rot boxes

Mate mum had one and after 3 years filler neck was rotted right out

Apart from being a Ford which belong in the scrappy that's probably why there's not many left on the road

[db_1.2]

Have a race, video it, and put it on here. Id be quite interested to see the outcome, would be close.

Then come race me so i can show you what a **** CVH goes like :)

[db_1.2]

Mk3 fiesta's are well know to be mega rot boxes

Mate mum had one and after 3 years filler neck was rotted right out

Apart from being a Ford which belong in the scrappy that's probably why there's not many left on the road

Lol i suppose your right. But structurely i wouldnt say they rot as much as Novas.

Its a good thing theres not so many about, makes them more interesting..........not like Novas! :p

[torquey]

mk3 fiestas rust like mad more a novas. mate had two turbos sills fooked filler neck gone door shuts rotten away. cvh are s**t lets be honest thats why more people are putting zetec engines in.lol

[comptoncj]

Fiesta rst should win IMO

[saloonwoody]

shonkey old ford wont even start and even if it did and got in front the nova wouldnt then stand a chance due to the massive plumes of oily smoke pouring out the festa exhaust due to fookerd stem seals/turbo/rings lol

[kevster]

my pushbike would win lol !! i would have to say run what you brug day !! strip is more likely to sort the boys from the girls..

[db_1.2]

mk3 fiestas rust like mad more a novas. mate had two turbos sills fooked filler neck gone door shuts rotten away. cvh are s**t lets be honest thats why more people are putting zetec engines in.lol

Bet my Fiestas got less rust than your Nova ;)

Cvh's are no more sh*t than early c20's. After all its only an OHC engine. Nothing fancy about it. CVH's arent being replaced by ZVH's from what ive noticed. But what i have noticed is ZVH bottom ends with CVH heads. And thats only to increase engine capacity.

And if your naming rotting spots. Novas: front wings, rear quarters, inner achers, chassis legs, doors, boot floors, front slam panel and rear panel. Everywhere except the roof, and even then i bet sunroofs do the trick for that.

[Edd]

^^^ get back to your Ford forum you :d lol

[db_1.2]

^^^ get back to your Ford forum you :d lol

Lol, but the Ford forums soooooooooooo boring. I love this one :d

[Grey]

Fiesta rs are w.a.n.k ive had one dog slow compared to 2.0 8v but it was quick once i truned the boost to 12psi.... BUT then again this reminds me of the "C20XE NOVA'S ARE SLOW THREAD" lol

All comes down to the engine and the driver :roll:

Here was my old one :p

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/Greys-red-gti/myPictures058.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/Greys-red-gti/myPictures059.jpg

[kiwinova]

I reckon the nova would win due to not having to wait for the turbo

[db_1.2]

Id say my Fiesta was quicker than my XE Nova, and there was only 3BHP between the 2

[Cle]

Just race down the high street and who ever gets caught by the po po 5-0 has the slower car :thumb:

[moffat]

Just race down the high street and who ever gets caught by the po po 5-0 has the slower car :thumb:

trust you to put that lol

[Andy]

lmfao at this drivel
fiesta rst would sh1t allover a sh1tty 2.0 8v.infact i bet an xr2 would beat a nova 2.0 8v.They are absolute dog muck and a total waste of time of a conversion for next to no more power than a nova gsi

[db_1.2]

lmfao at this drivel
fiesta rst would sh1t allover a sh1tty 2.0 8v.infact i bet an xr2 would beat a nova 2.0 8v.They are absolute dog muck and a total waste of time of a conversion for next to no more power than a nova gsi

Thank you Andy, at last, someone who talks sense

[Bubba]

don't be daft......

alien vs predator

wotsits vs monster munch

we don't condone racing on anywhere except a track, so go to a run what ya brung day and find out properly.

no competition....predator all the way lol

[Nova_Tek]

the SEH is a great engine. £100 for an engine that is 30BHP more powerful than the 1.6. well worth the money. They're bullet proof too and so cheap to run.

If it can propel a 1.15ton Cav to 60 in the high 8's then something that weighs 200kg lighter should see low 8's high 7's.

I've been in a couple SEH Nova's and they're fun to drive.

[Mike]

The fiesta will start in the basement an reel you in once you get to about 45ish.

[Gaz1300SR]

Nova all day.... RS turbos are **** in standard form, in my experience.

[Mike]

Novas are even ****ter in standard form though.

[Jack]

no competition....predator all the way lol
ROLF

anyway. Who's dad is harder.

[kevster]

ROLF

anyway. Who's dad is harder.

lol lol that's made'd my day lol lol

have some rep lol

[Gaz1300SR]

Novas are even ****ter in standard form though.

Yeah thats a point well made, but this one is a 2.0 8v.... or have I missed the point. :confused:

[Mike]

2000cc or not, its still a shonky old motor with a crap gearbox an average torque spread. The fiesta has a better powerband, better gearbox and I'm very sure they have a suprisingly decent diff fitted as standard. Same as RST's IIRC?

[John]

lolz at this thread lol

[Paul]

Which ever has the healthier engine. Be neck & neck. Reckon the ford will jus pip it.

[Nova_Tek]

We need to settle this on the black top.

[16v Nova Kev]

fiesta imo. lsd box?

[Mint FRST]

2000cc or not, its still a shonky old motor with a crap gearbox an average torque spread. The fiesta has a better powerband, better gearbox and I'm very sure they have a suprisingly decent diff fitted as standard. Same as RST's IIRC?

Fiesta RST's dont have Lsd as standard like Escort's. I would be surprised if the said car in the proposed race is standard in this day an age and could likely now have a diff fitted.

Back in the day a friend had a 2.0 SRI 130 lump in a Nova van. Just so happend I raced him in my then standard Mecury grey FRST. Off the mark it was very close as Nova's always put it down well and being N/A arent initially peeky. That said I did leave him...

However following a rolling road shootout I attended for a mag feature the said FRST put out 153Bhp at 9psi hold. Was a stong engine and so probably an unfair comparison.

I would suspect they are both past there best but would put my money on the FRST to win ;)

[maddogdaz666]

Bet my Fiestas got less rust than your Nova ;)

Cvh's are no more sh*t than early c20's. After all its only an OHC engine. Nothing fancy about it. CVH's arent being replaced by ZVH's from what ive noticed. But what i have noticed is ZVH bottom ends with CVH heads. And thats only to increase engine capacity.

And if your naming rotting spots. Novas: front wings, rear quarters, inner achers, chassis legs, doors, boot floors, front slam panel and rear panel. Everywhere except the roof, and even then i bet sunroofs do the trick for that.

The abbreviation ZVH comes from using the zetec bottom end and a cvh head bud. theres no such thing as a zvh bottom end:wtf:

[TeddyThom]

what do you rekon is quicker side by side race? mate keeps goin on about whos is quicker his is standard bar a exhaust mine is quite standard exhaust and filter !:d

Take it down a strip.

However...

One thing I have noticed on here, everytime someone asks about a race, or what car would be quicker etc, why does everyone assume they are going to street race?? I've asked a similar question and got this type of responce. So why?

[mowgli]

One thing I have noticed on here, everytime someone asks about a race, or what car would be quicker etc, why does everyone assume they are going to street race?? I've asked a similar question and got this type of responce. So why?

because most people don't live near a drag strip, but the dual carriageway is really close, and if 2 people were really serious about finding out exactly which car is quicker, they would beat a path to a drag strip and not a car forum.

and the png has spent years attempting to drag the nova & nova owners reputations out of the sewer.....

[Andy]

Because in the past theres been threads like
"W00p w00p,just absolutely leathered a saxo vts in my retop novver y0.Should have seen all the yummy singal mams owtside the skol,dey luvved it as i shot by at 95mph!!"
etc etc

[vauxluva]

because most people don't live near a drag strip, but the dual carriageway is really close, and if 2 people were really serious about finding out exactly which car is quicker, they would beat a path to a drag strip and not a car forum.

and the png has spent years attempting to drag the nova & nova owners reputations out of the sewer.....:thumb:

[db_1.2]

The abbreviation ZVH comes from using the zetec bottom end and a cvh head bud. theres no such thing as a zvh bottom end:wtf:

Learn something everyday. So they have no specific name or number? Just "zetec"

[paddy quinn]

ford are crap

[mowgli]

thanks for joining the debate paddy....

[paddy quinn]

haha sorry i aint been on i a while

[Gaz1300SR]

2000cc or not, its still a shonky old motor with a crap gearbox an average torque spread. The fiesta has a better powerband, better gearbox and I'm very sure they have a suprisingly decent diff fitted as standard. Same as RST's IIRC?

Ok so you don't like Novas, i get that. Fiestas are also a pile of ****, i am sure you agree! An escort RS is a different matter altogether......

Back on topic, get on the track and see what happens..... be interesting i think.

[GRUNT 16V]

WHOEVER SAYS FIESTA IN MY MIND IS FULL OF 5HITE
NOVA ALLDAY LONG I KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE AS I KNOW MINE WAS AND XE BUT THEY WERE ALWAYS BEHIND ME GETTING CHIPPED BONNETS lol AND WHEN I MEAN BEHIND A GOOD 100 - 150 METERES OR SO !

[mowgli]

will people get used to the idea that novas don't possess super powers... they can't rescue kittens from trees, they are just a cheap little car that is easy to modify, whereas a fiesta turbo was actually developed by real engineers, and will have decent traction & gearing to suit....

personally my money would be on the fiesta if it was a proper 1/4 mile

[Edd]

ford are crap
lol :thumb: repped :d

More for the comedy value of the post with a hint of truth rather than anything constructive lol

[GRUNT 16V]

will people get used to the idea that novas don't possess super powers... they can't rescue kittens from trees, they are just a cheap little car that is easy to modify, whereas a fiesta turbo was actually developed by real engineers, and will have decent traction & gearing to suit....

personally my money would be on the fiesta if it was a proper 1/4 mile


WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET A LIFE lol lol lol
Real engineers !!!!!!!!! lol some spoty ginger person at ford
thought it would be a good idea to strap a turbo to a cvh engine lol PMSL

[Edd]

LMFAO at Fiesta RST's being designed by 'real engineers' lol

[MK999]

LMFAO at Fiesta RST's being designed by 'real engineers' lol

You can actually tell this was a proper engine from the large 'interwarmer' that runs over the top of the hot engine to heat the intake charge to ideal levels!

[Andy]

It always makes me laugh in blinkered threads like this how 2litre novas are the be all and end all of life.
Then in another breath theyre dog sh1t,hate them etc etc.

[Andy]

You can actually tell this was a proper engine from the large 'interwarmer' that runs over the top of the hot engine to heat the intake charge to ideal levels!
Which vauxhall STILL do to this very day LOL

[MattBrown]

will people get used to the idea that novas don't possess super powers... they can't rescue kittens from trees, they are just a cheap little car that is easy to modify, whereas a fiesta turbo was actually developed by real engineers, and will have decent traction & gearing to suit....

personally my money would be on the fiesta if it was a proper 1/4 mile

EXACTLY:thumb:

People in sheds building quick cars, or people with £££££'s to develop cars etc.

Yeah, I love both of them, but if X fiesta is faster then X nova im gonna get a woody over itlol

[Edd]

All cars are crap
THE END

lol

[mowgli]

you lot might hate ford, and personally i really despise the fwd escorts, and have bolts in my leg to back that up, but a group of engineers put a turbo on a cvh, and made a pretty decent job of it... the rs turbo is a well regarded car. the fiesta is a fine handling car, and with 130hp, was a good performer back in its day... and i'd rather put that against a 20seh nova that was engineered with a large hammer in someones lockup god knows when & has probably been ragged mercilessly for the last 20 years.

[Spudly]

Fiesta would trounce the nova without a doubt imo, but even if its a standard FRST out of the packet, its an unfair fight as the nove certainly isnt standard as its got a 2.0 engine in it ffs, so any arguments are total bollox, take it to a strip and chances are you wont even be in the same class, so still wont be able to drag against each other!

[MK999]

Which vauxhall STILL do to this very day LOL

It's still crap too lol The only ford turbo engine I'd regard as well engineered (for a road car, no road going turbo engine is a 'proper' affair) is the one without their name on the top...

1.6+ turbo should not equal 130bhp lol even the botched up courtenay conversion 8v's with their 'ooh it's cold, have a guess' fuelling make a good 30bhp more on about 5psilol

[mowgli]

/\ and blow up more often than iraqi markets too..

[Andy]

/\ and blow up more often than iraqi markets too..
Not only that ive yet to actually see one "go"
They always go bang and the few that remain get passed round like jazz mags in jail and you never see/hear of them on the road again

[MK999]

They're still on very low boost though, whats the fester running to make that much less power than a same cc engine at 5 psi, 1-2 psi? Why even bother, or is the turbo on there just for the extra letter in the name :p

Ford turbo motors are shocking performance wise, I actually went off to a different info source when I found a site claiming the escort 1.6 turbo made 115 bhp, as that's about the same as a strong E/C16SE with an exhaust/filter/cat removed.

[Edd]

Craigs E16se turbo was VERY reliable at 170bhp

And certainly never blew up like a iraq market, thats left for the R 5 boys

[L14MNP]

Skip to the end!

FRST all day. Better all round car in every respect - and I love Nova's! lol

Also, lol @ modified Nova Vs. boggo Fez. If the Nova is allowed a 2.0 then the Fizzy T should be allowed a ZVH/Duratec/Zetec. :d

[db_1.2]

Fiesta would trounce the nova without a doubt imo, but even if its a standard FRST out of the packet, its an unfair fight as the nove certainly isnt standard as its got a 2.0 engine in it ffs, so any arguments are total bollox, take it to a strip and chances are you wont even be in the same class, so still wont be able to drag against each other!

Well said Spudly. Youve single handedly smashed this stupid thread to pieces. And seeing as the Novas not standard. Ill give you a go in my not so standard FRST.

Have some rep also.

[db_1.2]

Skip to the end!

Also, lol @ modified Nova Vs. boggo Fez. If the Nova is allowed a 2.0 then the Fizzy T should be allowed a ZVH/Duratec/Zetec. :d

Pick me, pick me!

[Southie]

Dead heat, turbo will blow vs a snapped cv joint.

How much torque has a fiesta turbo anyway? A mate of mine had the 130 8v in his Nova with a F16 and it was very quick and with plenty of torque.

Also is this a 0-60 or top end buzz blow up race?

[torquey]

db 1.2 why you even on this site when your a ford boy its like me joing a ford forum when i hate the f*****g things with a passion. novas a far better car in my eyes few mates have rst 's and they agree even though they own fords. lol

[db_1.2]

db 1.2 why you even on this site when your a ford boy its like me joing a ford forum when i hate the f*****g things with a passion. novas a far better car in my eyes few mates have rst 's and they agree even though they own fords. lol

You think ive never owned a Nova? Ive built my own C20XE, converted 2 Novas to XE's, as well as owning a variety of the sh*tty things!

Anyway, you should never ever confuse fact and opinion.

Come to mine and we'll put this to bed ;)

[Mint FRST]

Loving this thread...

As much as I like Nova's, I would much rather have a Fiesta RS Turbo. Biased I know but a good ones are a rare site on todays roads. And if (A Big if) you can find a standard car for the sake of 200 or so pounds you can easily gain a good 25-30Bhp.

Try that with a 2.0 8v Vaux engine...

[davidfox280585]

fez all day for me,
as mentioned by mint frst -31 actuator bigger cooler 195 chip and filter and exhaust and you have 180bhp all for around £200 bargain

[Andy]

And it will still handle..........

[paddy quinn]

personal opinion not a threat or anything before you get the wrong idea but i just want to give ford owners a slap and as the name stands FORD=fix or repair daily oh p.s real men drive vauxhall

[davidfox280585]

personal opinion not a threat or anything before you get the wrong idea but i just want to give ford owners a slap and as the name stands FORD=fix or repair daily oh p.s real men drive vauxhall
Lol its personal opinion i think i love both marques but if im honest if it comes down to which car to use, the nova or the series 1 id rather take the escort out, as much as i like the nova the escort is appreciated more by me and others and much a rarer sight on the roads

[Mike]

So many blinkers so little time.

[TonySR]

So many blinkers so little time.
+1

[L14MNP]

+1

+2. lol

[Andy]

personal opinion not a threat or anything before you get the wrong idea but i just want to give ford owners a slap and as the name stands FORD=fix or repair daily oh p.s real men drive vauxhall
That saying is really really boring.Its so old,the people who used to say it have forgotten more sayings like that than you know....

[L14MNP]

I prefer Fcuked On Race Day!

There's no acronym for Vauxhall as they're not known for big power builds really. I never understand the Blue oval hate from some VX owners, must be envy. lol

[Mike]

GM = Generally Mundane. I know that much.

[MK999]

Found on roadside, dead!

[Mike]

First On Race Day

[db_1.2]

That saying is really really boring.Its so old,the people who used to say it have forgotten more sayings like that than you know....


Lol, so old, last time I heard it, I laughed so hard I fell off my dinosaur!

[MK999]

First On Race Day

Retirement, DNF? lol

[Edd]

^^^ lol

F lol @ the blinker comments, erm this is a nova forum so .....

Imagine the comments about nova's if this was posted on a fiesta/ford forum ? If there's such a thing lol

[db_1.2]

Fiestaturbo.com ;)

[TeddyThom]

^^^ lol

F lol @ the blinker comments, erm this is a nova forum so .....

Imagine the comments about nova's if this was posted on a fiesta/ford forum ? If there's such a thing lol

Mirror image of here perhaps?? lol

[novaxe235]

The turbo just wins but not by much, i had a fiesta turbo bulk standard 50,000 thousand miles full service history etc! a mate had a 2.0 8v nova at the same time, we did a track day and the turbo was quicker all round.

[scott.parker]

Right.......

IF the RS turbo dose not kill its self then it will be an easy win over a crap old 8v cav engine! lol

Fact is my 2nd car was a mk3 fiesta XR2i (OK not the turbo) and it was quick as hell tbh, it use to easily beat all my mates novas, 1.4 sr/sri's and gte's gsi etc, but i would not want to thrash it often as the sodding thing pretty much broke on a daily bassos, and due to this i could never spend money modifying it, just had all money spent keeping it on the road.

This car was the reason i got into novas, as my mates sri had 60mm springs and back box etc, and it was quicker through bends then the xr2i and it would keep up'ish till about 65 then the fiesta pull away..

I personally think most fords from about 1990 to 2000 wer very badly built, and its put me off for life.

As for novas there just as crap, but cheaper to repair!

Scott

[db_1.2]

Fiesta every time YEEEEEEEHH!

[mrT]

well i had a 1.6gte with a janspeed in filter,and yes a turbo would just get half a car lengh until we hit 4th or 5th then its bye bye rs everytime providing its on standard boost, in as for an xr2i it would just rape them all day, then again it was a quick gte, went off the clock everytime which was a lot :p

[Mike]

^Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorly.

[db_1.2]

went off the clock everytime which was a lot :p

12/24 hour format?

[Andy]

well i had a 1.6gte with a janspeed in filter,and yes a turbo would just get half a car lengh until we hit 4th or 5th then its bye bye rs everytime providing its on standard boost, in as for an xr2i it would just rape them all day, then again it was a quick gte, went off the clock everytime which was a lot :p

http://www.orokos.com/kippyhiller/gtfo_internets.jpg

[db_1.2]

^^^Lol!

Chat chaw mawf MrT, don't ever talk smack about Fiesta's!

[davidfox280585]

i like gte's but mine had magnex and filter and werent a patch on my mk2 xr2 though both cracking fun cars

[Mint FRST]

^Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorly.

lol

My Focus with filter and... would pull on a GTR in 4th & 5th etc etc lol

[Andy]

http://www.gutshot.com/images/featurepics/honda90.jpg
Slightly off topic but i was neck and neck with a hayabusa on one of these.....

[db_1.2]

Why is there a lunch box on the back? Or does it act like a wheelie bar when all that power is unleashed smd your on the back wheel?

[Edd]

^^^^ Flol

this shizzle still going lol

[Andy]

that rickman box carries the bullshet lol

[mk1nova_rich]

that rickman box carries the bullshet lol

this cannot be true, as it is just not big enough

[db_1.2]

Lol, this thread is awesome.

[Mike]

Well I just wasted an Enzo in my diesel van. Twice.

[MK999]

Well I just wasted an Enzo in my diesel van. Twice.

Setting them on fire doesn't count Mike.

[Mike]

Setting them on fire doesn't count Mike.

Yes. Yes it does.

You have to nick the alloys first to declare a win though, else its just pub talk.

[davidfox280585]

surely andy you had the offroad version, standard with cut down exhaust, gaffa taped seat and a rear nobbly lol

[Andy]

fireblade had fuk all on me on this,and it was 6up
http://massiveideas.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/super-cub.jpg?w=480&h=408

[John]

Flol

[db_1.2]

And a full tank don't forget Andy

[Brodie_Sri]

quality threadlol

[davidfox280585]

fireblade had fuk all on me on this,and it was 6up
http://massiveideas.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/super-cub.jpg?w=480&h=408
god how long must that chain belol

[db_1.2]

I didn't think they used a chain?

[davidfox280585]

I didn't think they used a chain?
yes they did on the cubs,
your probally thinking of the yamaha townmate 80 ast that was shaft drive(ive rallied both as a youth with scars for proof lol
http://www.evzsgarage.esmartdesign.com/t80.08.1.jpg
to the cub 90
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRiEWIeJZTsz_N7iMU-LDDbtqkobsPGAl2e1sUh3SOSR9Gs8_dy

[db_1.2]

Lol god knows David, I have no idea. Loving the lunchbox goodness though!

[davidfox280585]

Lol god knows David, I have no idea. Loving the lunchbox goodness though!
Yes mate there nearly identical though if you look at the yam at the top you can see the shaft casing and the cub has chain guard

[Nobby]

pmsl the only threads i see torquey post it which is faster threads and how to turbo a 2.0 8v ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zz

[db_1.2]

Thread needs reviving.....

[Jack]

I raced a tramp the other day.

[scott.parker]

I raced a tramp the other day.

To the front of the que to the soup wagon??

[db_1.2]

I raced a tramp the other day.

Lol with a trolley? We used to have trolley races at the local supermarket. Then a friend if mine went down a huge hill in one, broke his arm, and ruined his Nike shox. True story

[vauxluva]

You will beat him with the fact you have a vauxhall and he has a ford