duel mass fly wheels

[General Baxter]

just what do they do?
what will feel diff if i fit a soild flywheel conversion?
and wheres the bloke who invented them, i want to kill him lol

[Danny s-p]

1. they are a bag off s**t and got me in alot of crap

they are to make the clutch pedal fell lighter and smother so i have been told when i can be bothered all look on cdx for you and copy and past that if i still have a user name

[General Baxter]

well i just got a 406 hdi 110, clutch is very high and judders pulling away in first gear

been told its the DMF, around £800 to have changed, 12 hours labour lol
i can get a solid flywheel conversion for it for £255, + fitting, but would like to fit it my self lol

pug said it should be in a musium, 152k and still on its orginal lol

[Danny s-p]

it shud be lol i wood just put a standard one in. the astra has had one fitted after the clutch went at 7000 -8000 miles because DMF and it fells like it can put the power down alot better and quicker now and rev more freely

[db_1.2]

Sounds more like pressure plate to me Baxter.

Ive been in 2 cars (Golf mk4, and Transporter) with dual mass gone. And you dont usually feel it to higher in the rev range. And it will judder the car to pieces, youll know when they have gone.

But i may stand corrected, there may be some earlier symptoms Baxter is experiencing.

Also, ive had 2 Transits, mk4 and then newer mk5 with this, and turned out to be pressure plate. Its usually when the pressure plate is nearing its stage of replacement. If your thinking of replacing the flywheel, you may aswell just try a new clutch first for the time it takes for such an experience fetler like yourself lol :D

[General Baxter]

DMF = £410
DMF clutch kit = £210
soild flywheel with clutch kit = £255

ummm

the cars funny as ****, why would a 110bhp 4 door saloon, need to slightly fold its mirrors in over 75mph lol
it think its a sub sonic fighter jet lol

[db_1.2]

May aswell do the whole lot anyway then.

[deanwilko]

12 hours labour lol there easy as to get the box in and out

[General Baxter]

iv heard you have to drop the sub frame off aswell

[deanwilko]

i did a 52 plate hdi week before xmas and took less than 4 hours. What reg is yours

[General Baxter]

2001 Y plate

fancy doing it for me? lol

[deanwilko]

facelift shape isnt it? There easy as

[General Baxter]

yep

im trying to find info on doing the job, i refuse to buy a haynes, can it be done with just stands and jacks, (on the floor?) lol

[deanwilko]

i did mine on a 2 poster. Take the undertray off and have a look like i said i did a 52 hdi and did remove the subframe just slid it past

[deanwilko]

can pm you autodata online username and password if interested

[aaron nova kiddy]

my dual mass has just gone on my vectra it doesn't affect it just very noisy and been quoted a grand. so im gonna fit a solid one

[davidfox280585]

off topic but aaron,noticed your from god mod land,are you friends of the legend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[comptoncj]

Ive had a dual mass flywheel on a focus 1.8 tddi actually break apart lol i would definatly go with a solid flywheel conversion, i know its different but ive done alot of transits and they drive the same with a soild flywheel or a dual mass.

[aaron nova kiddy]

i am indeed

[davidfox280585]

i am indeed
i hope your built your car yourself and not let ng racing conversions do it!!!!!!!!!!
though otherwise get a project thread up,
baxter sorry to spam;)
oh and baxter stick a solid conversion on it dual mass are more modern garbage we dont need:)

[aaron nova kiddy]

yeh sorry baxtar. he has help me loads of times hes alright but he just doesnt think what hes saying or doing sometimes lol

[nova_stee]

All a dual mass flywheel is is two flywheels with springs in which gets rid of the springs in the presure palte.
This may sound like a bodge but take it out weld right round the outside making it one flywheel have seen this done hundreds of times and never goes wrong.

[General Baxter]

its not worth welding

it only costs around £50 more to have the proper conversion flywheel

what i dont get it WHY do i need a DMF?
my cav had 100bhp and 175Ftlb
the pug has 110bhp and 188ftlb torque!

what makes it so special lol

[16v Nova Kev]

just what do they do?
what will feel diff if i fit a soild flywheel conversion?
and wheres the bloke who invented them, i want to kill him lol


fukc up mostly. my superb 07 plate is on its 3rd in 3 months. and they dont do a conversion for it:(

[mowgli]

basically, not everyone who drives a diesel has size 13 1/2 shoes........ and dmf makes it easy for the lighter footed amongst us, ladies, hairdressers, poofs etc...

[General Baxter]

iv heard that, replacing it with a solid fly will make it judder worse then its doing now lol

[16v Nova Kev]

i dont think a solid would shudder tbh.

[General Baxter]

it would just act like a normal cars lol


the old FH's at work with a manual clutch have solid flywheels they have 400ish bhp lol, they do fine lol

[16v Nova Kev]

all the car companies must have had a meeting and thought g what doesnt break on cars............oh flywheels lets invent one thast held together with springs.

p.s its quite an easy box to do im sure you would manage it.

[L14MNP]

I'm running the Volvo on a solid fly now instead of the DMF crap. No issues.

[General Baxter]

p.s its quite an easy box to do im sure you would manage it.
its an **** factor,
but i do have a heated garage to do it in :p

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[novatracker]

we had a couple of a3 2.0 tdi's with the flywheel convertion done and both destroyed the box and heard there was sum cars that were changing to solids and sheering the drive bolts out the crank.
there a pain in the rear sounds like a pressure plate probleam, if the clutch has been slipping might have boiled the grease out of them or giving it no damping affect at end of allowed rotation. there will be a measurment of how much play is allowed but vertualy no play if u wobble it upword ie towords the gear box and crank.

[novatracker]

sure the vw boys that put the 1.8t into older golfs do the convertion. slighty off topic lol

[16v Nova Kev]

i did one having never done one before. gear likage was cables hyd clutch iirc. hardest bit was clearance of the gearbox mount/chassis. you undo a nut and the bolt sticks out the top of the box. but does unscrew with grips or stilsons(sp)

[mowgli]

why do people think you can rev a diesel like a petrol & use the clutch like a switch????????? truckers don't..........and we get 300000miles out of a clutch easy.

[General Baxter]

why do people think you can rev a diesel like a petrol & use the clutch like a switch????????? truckers don't..........and we get 300000miles out of a clutch easy.
i bang the clutch in on the beemer lol,

the pug i drive like a granny lol

i dont even rev it past 3000rpm lol

[Balley]

I have done 2 baxter, agreed with deano you can do them in 4 hours..


Now 407s there hard!!

[General Baxter]

facny giving me a hand, ill pay you the £5 in diesel it will cost to come up here lol

[db_1.2]

i dont even rev it past 3000rpm lol

Only because it would take you the majority of the day to do so!

[AlexW]

One theory behind the DMF's is they reduce vibration though the gearbox, and thus converting it kills the gearboxes. But I imagine that is rubbish.

DMF's can also cause a knocking noise, Had a galaxy that knocked when you switched it off, (like keyed off and it knocked as the engine stopped rotating), Took us a while to figure it out.

[General Baxter]

Only because it would take you the majority of the day to do so!
when will kids learn

iv had my fun, theres no point in rushing around at warp factor 9 any more

5th gear at 3000rpm is 80ish anyway :thumb:
peek power is something daft like 2200 lol

[Balley]

facny giving me a hand, ill pay you the £5 in diesel it will cost to come up here lol

Lol.. my petrol polo is slightly more firsty.. I could help though if you cover fuel and food :)

[deanwilko]

i will give you a hand if you fancy traveling and bring a bit of diesel for the space heater.

P.s still havn't recieved our new username for autodata yet

[deanwilko]

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[General Baxter]

been quoted £200 to have it done +£255 for the parts ill do it that way lol

[mowgli]

so when does the sign turn up???

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