Is swapping Vin numbers legal.

[bazil]

Yes or no. Keep it short.

[wwmnw]

No.

[Paul]

just dont tell anyone. Simple

[novacabrio]

just dont tell anyone. Simple

You Brown nosing? lol

[Edd]

lol what a thread

IMO not if your doing it for ££££

[Rich]

just dont tell anyone. Simple

+1

as long as its legit and not for dodgey reasons

[SR-Rally]

surely doesn't make a difference if its to make money or not. its illigal.

[16v Nova Kev]

just do it baz.

[Bubba]

what if you have 2 cars (such as a 1.3 minter and a rotten sport) what difference would swapping them over mean?

[bmw156]

now that you have told everyone they all know.

people do it all the time, think of the hotrod guys, they will buy a completely rottern chassis/shell with a V5 for 500 quid, with out the v5 its worth 200.
and that was advertised at a show, now imo thats gonna be rung so to speak.

[bazil]

TBH I got on my high horse on another thread, I'm simply asking a question to see others veiws, I will not turn this into a rant lol,

I voted no, I won't do it.

I lost near £2000 in the past on a dodgy car :(

[Iain]

Surely whether it's legal or not isn't someone's view or opinion lol Phone DVLA/police or someone and ask them if it's legal!

[timbo1980]

No not legal. why do people get so anal about if it says base/sr/gte/gsi on the V5. its a bit of paper. Ringing cars to make it a sr/gte/gsi/sport:roll: a nova is a nova ffs

[Ben]

It is illegal in eveyr instance, wether people have moral reasons to accept it is a different story!

Irrelevant that it happens to mk1 escorts or nova sports it is still in the eyes of the law- wrong.

[Ben]

lmfao at the poll results.

So all you lot would buy a range rover sport with a plate weled over the original chassis number- COCKS

meh i voted yes by accident lol

[Ben]

Surely whether it's legal or not isn't someone's view or opinion lol Phone DVLA/police or someone and ask them if it's legal!

Yes it is someones opinion the goverment/police forces oipinion is it is illegal!

[loggyboy]

No its not legal, VERY illegal in fact.
Its legal to reshell, but the shell must be brand new. (unless you want it Q plated)

[NOV4_SPORT]

No !

iain

[Ben]

(unless you want it Q plated)

I understood Q plating went out with the ark and its now age related plates issued?

[88ESR]

No..

[TeddyThom]

I understood Q plating went out with the ark and its now age related plates issued?

Q plate I believe, is for custom cars and kit cars (such as the Caterham 7) and the like, something that didn't come out of the factory so to speak.

[Bubba]

Q plate I believe, is for custom cars and kit cars (such as the Caterham 7) and the like, something that didn't come out of the factory so to speak.

my mates robin hood had the sierra donor plates on it :/

[L14MNP]

Just do it. I see no issues unless it's for ringer/cut n shut purposes etc.

I wouldn't tell the world! lol

NO is the answer to the original question though.

[Ben]

Q plate I believe, is for custom cars and kit cars (such as the Caterham 7) and the like, something that didn't come out of the factory so to speak.

I havent seen a "new" caterham etc on a q plate though, have seen loads on "56" etc plates though.

[Ben]

Just do it. I see no issues unless it's for ringer/cut n shut purposes etc.

I wouldn't tell the world! lol

NO is the answer to the original question though.

Bazil does not want to do it, its in repsonse to an ex member doing it on a "special" car and selling it for a staggering amount of money.

[DEAN-DOHERTY]

BIG NO....thats like saying is it legal for you to use someone else identification......

you will have one car using the others identification.


if you plan on keeping the car forever then go ahead as no one will know...although if you go to sell it and they see the vin change then you are pretty fcukd


do you not watch things like wheel dealer tips on "what to look out for when buying cars" welds around the vin plate (cloned car)

[L14MNP]

Ah. Hmm I wonder what that white car could be....

IIRC Q plate is only used now on the points system. If you fail to total enough then it's I.D is unknown so it's reregistered on a Q.

[L14MNP]

lol @ Wheeler Dealers! z0mfgz yellow paint on the door check strap!

If rung correctly you would never know. Unless of course the person doing it posts pics up of two shells, declares one rotten and then begins restoring the better of the two whilst declaring it to be the pear... lol

[novautd]

as loggy boy said you can re shell say a gsi into a brand new shell keeping the old v5, but it must be a brand new shell. so yes it is legal but not on a nova as there aint any new shells, so i voted no.

[TeddyThom]

I havent seen a "new" caterham etc on a q plate though, have seen loads on "56" etc plates though.

Well I guess they must have changed the system then lol

[Ben]

i am not arguing am intrigued if the q plates are still issued as not seen a "new" q plate for years!

[L14MNP]

as loggy boy said you can re shell say a gsi into a brand new shell keeping the old v5, but it must be a brand new shell. so yes it is legal but not on a nova as there aint any new shells, so i voted no.

Doesn't have to be a brand new shell if you keep enough of the original parts to satisfy the VOSA points system. You need eight iirc. So original enegine/box, runnign gear (if you could prove it), eteched lights, glass etc could see it transferred legally to the number you require.

[L14MNP]

i am not arguing am intrigued if the q plates are still issued as not seen a "new" q plate for years!

Under the new IVA rules Q's will be issued to heavily modified cars. Quite easily too as even so much as hammering the bulkhead back a little to clear a manifold is classed as points off. So you can imagine what tubs, relocated suspension pick ups points, larger trans tunnels etc will land you in. You aren't allowed many points either.

[mowgli]

re the q plate system, it is still about, but people like caterham are on the limited number type approval thing, so they now sell fully built cars....

a friend has a landrover 90 on a q plate.. it was built up from bits, for off roading.

iirc, once q plated, it must remain so for the life of the vehicle

[dj_wudgey]

i dont think its as bad as people think!! id happily do this to kep my sr standard on the log book if i had to!!

[novautd]

note to self, dont buy a car from dj wudgey!

[dj_wudgey]

you wont be buying my sr as no one will be!!

[mowgli]

and here is the problem....

some people think it is ok, and some think it isn't. there is no middle ground....

if you own a car for 20 years, and change a panel every year, after 20 years is really isn't the car that you bought, but it keeps its vin.

but reshelling is, in the eyes of the law, fitting your stuff into a different vehicle.

the argument will run forever as to is it ok or not, but in another 10 years, when novas really are old classic cars, and people are properly valuing them, then it becomes an issue.

[dj_wudgey]

as stated i think its fine id even buy a sr thats had a reshell!! wouldnt bother me lol

[Hobbit]

I'd rather buy a rep than a "reshell"

[dj_wudgey]

dont bother me aslong as it would still be a sr on the log id be happy!!

[Hobbit]

I'd rather have a 100 precent legal car, could say your a big gay on the log book. No one else would see it...

[dj_wudgey]

each to thier own as long as id be happy thats all that matters!

[DEAN-DOHERTY]

like said before this could be debated all day long

at the end of the day if you want to do it then you do it....its not like everyone is legal anyway...xe'd wide arch nova and loads of other mods......1.4sr on log book...insured as a bog standard 1.4

see where im going with this

[Hobbit]

from the directgov

Allocating a vehicle registration mark
The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA), enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.
Scoring components
The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

•chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points
•suspension = 2 points
•axles = 2 points
•transmission = 2 points
•steering assembly = 2 points
•engine = 1 point

So if I understand, if you swap shells, you would need to keep all the other parts from the original off the above list to keep ID

So if a certain sport used uprated suspension and a different shell it wasn't legal...

[Tommy_nova]

So if you were to re shell using all the parts from one to another including vins that would be fine ?

[Hobbit]

looks that way

[Danny s-p]

from the directgov

Allocating a vehicle registration mark
The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA), enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.
Scoring components
The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

•chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points
•suspension = 2 points
•axles = 2 points
•transmission = 2 points
•steering assembly = 2 points
•engine = 1 point

So if I understand, if you swap shells, you would need to keep all the other parts from the original off the above list to keep ID

So if a certain sport used uprated suspension and a different shell it wasn't legal...reading this make me now think mine has to go on a Q plate :cry:

[Danny s-p]

is this only if you reshell or if the original car has changes to

[Hobbit]

reshell, or swapping vin's

[novautd]

It looks easy when you look at that but you aint seen the paperwork they send you. I was going to do it and its just not worth the head ache imo tbh.

and the reason i wouldnt buy a car with anothers chassis plate weldid in is the risk it involvs with the law. what happens if you get pulled by vosa??

[Bubba]

so...in theory...a pickup'd XE lowered nova witha quickrack....would need a Qplate?

[Hobbit]

no, it would need to keep its original vin/reg

[L14MNP]

I'm sure I already covered this. lol

[Bubba]

this baffles me...ill worry about it if i ever get to that stage

[L14MNP]

TBF chances are the pickup would end up on a Q. Substantial body mods.

Read the IVA guff dude. :thumb:

[Edd]

Flatten off vin number down by driver seat, filler it, recoat underside with suitable sealer, put vin plate on slam panel, pass it off as new shell, job done :d

[mowgli]

you are forgetting about the old 'having a mate who is an mot tester' defence..........

[mowgli]

Flatten off vin number down by driver seat, filler it, recoat underside with suitable sealer, put vin plate on slam panel, pass it off as new shell, job done :d

getting a suitable receipt might be a tad iffy, unless you have someone in spain who could produce such a thing....

[The Simps]

Can you put a private plate on a Q plater?

[Edd]

getting a suitable receipt might be a tad iffy, unless you have someone in spain who could produce such a thing....
I don't have receipt for my new shell

[dj_wudgey]

Flatten off vin number down by driver seat, filler it, recoat underside with suitable sealer, put vin plate on slam panel, pass it off as new shell, job done :d

yea its easily done!! i know lads who have done it with mk2 escorts ect!!

[L14MNP]

Can you put a private plate on a Q plater?
I'm fairly certain you can't as DVLA wants you to stand out for the 'danger' that you are.

I was talking about this with a mate ages back and IMO it will ruin any sleeper status for those in the know. I guess it will also be like a badge of honour for having a mental car though? lol

Not just an XR3 that's been on it's lid. lol

[mowgli]

but i bet you have pictures of the lack of vin no.

if you were going to do a proper reshell, then having a rust free, primed shell would be an ideal starting point...... & would have photos. but as we all know, there are very few new shells about.....

[The Simps]

I think its gonna be much easier for me just not to bother to put mine on the road. Then again rules may have changed by 2015 lol

[L14MNP]

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[Bubba]

you are forgetting about the old 'having a mate who is an mot tester' defence........

....i have a friendly MOT man ;)

[davidfox280585]

wheres the burgo option

[dj_wudgey]

....i have a friendly MOT man ;)

me two a mate does mine lol

[Danny s-p]

[quote=L14MNP]e like a badge of honour for having a mental car though? lol
[quote] lol that mint your car is mad have shiny Q plate to tell every chav not to race you

[SR-Rally]

you are forgetting about the old 'having a mate who is an mot tester' defence..........


:p my friend use to test my rally car for free. he was a legend!

[draper]

legal ? no
morally right/wrong ? a public forum isnt the best place to discuss it

[Edd]

^ lol tbh it's best off not being discussed with anyone

[16v Nova Kev]

Can you put a private plate on a Q plater?

good question or can you take the q plate off and get a private reg:( :confused:
p.s i think a Q plate is cool

[draper]

RE Q plates i didnt think you could changeit to a private plateas it could cover up thefact its had mucho modifications, insurance companies dont like Q plates either do they - hence not being able to 'hide' it

[novasrikev]

RE Q plates i didnt think you could changeit to a private plateas it could cover up thefact its had mucho modifications, insurance companies dont like Q plates either do they - hence not being able to 'hide' it

i dint think you could change it from a Q plate and i got told that they dont give then to production cars now and it goes on the age of the vehicle could be wrong though

[Novasport]

from the directgov

Allocating a vehicle registration mark
The vehicle must score eight or more points to retain the original registration mark. If less than eight points are scored or a second-hand or modified chassis or altered monocoque bodyshell is used an Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA), enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA), single vehicle approval (SVA) or motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) certificate will be required to register the vehicle. A 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.
Scoring components
The following values will be allocated to the major components used:

•chassis or body shell (body and chassis as one unit - monocoque ie direct replacement from the manufacturer) (original or new) = 5 points
•suspension = 2 points
•axles = 2 points
•transmission = 2 points
•steering assembly = 2 points
•engine = 1 point

So if I understand, if you swap shells, you would need to keep all the other parts from the original off the above list to keep ID

So if a certain sport used uprated suspension and a different shell it wasn't legal...

Forget the points bit, if you use a second hand shell this does not count and it will immediately go on to a Q plate.
The points part is only if you are fitting new parts.

[amggsi]

If you have a brand new shell, can you weld the floor VIN number into it?

[Novasport]

If you have a new shell you can stamp it in as there will be no numbers like Edds shell.

[SR Kyle]

lmfao at the poll results.

So all you lot would buy a range rover sport with a plate weled over the original chassis number- COCKS

meh i voted yes by accident lol
Depends how much the range rover sport In question was lol

[dj_wudgey]

no but i wouldnt mind doing that to my sr if it was that rotten it'd keep me happy and thats all that matters!!