project 240 bhp xe,quaife sccr box, track weapon [Archive] - Performance Nova Group

corsakid

25-11-10, 06:47 PM

right id thought id start a new project thread as im about to embark on building relatively high power xe!
ive already have a quaife sccr f20, and completely rose jointed front end suspension setup, quaife quick rack, corsa epas column,coilovers brakes etc etc fitted to my nova ill be running the engine on my webber 45 carbs i have on my current engine!

my old project thread
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96402&highlight=190bhp

the last week i have seriously abused the bank account

ive bought an early 20xe with early coscast head as the base
steel h beam rods
accralite forged pistons 87.5mm
brand new gm oil and water pump
brand new gm cambelt kit
newman vernier pulleys
solid lifters and shims
double valve springs and steel caps
slimmer valve steam oil seals
qed 450 spec camshafts
2.0 8v sump gasket and baffle plate
arp flywheel bolts
arp head stud and nut kit
arp crank bolts
baffled sump
running in oil high in zinc content
engine assembly lube

things still to get are

acl big end and main bearings
headgasket
send head to be ported and polished
and get block bored to accept new pistons

im aiming for 230+ bhp so figures crossed ill hit my goal time will tell i guess

pics to follow when parts arrive

philip

25-11-10, 07:02 PM

before send head matey....ill drop you a text when out of gfs in morning see what your having done to it etc.

corsakid

25-11-10, 07:03 PM

yeah ok

philip

25-11-10, 07:38 PM

need chuck some pics up of the car too matey:D

John

25-11-10, 07:44 PM

Now this will be awesome! It's already a weapon!

corsakid

25-11-10, 08:09 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/offside.jpg

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corsakid

25-11-10, 08:12 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/DSC01897.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/nova44.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/Photo0266.jpg

Southie

25-11-10, 08:20 PM

Novakid, subscribed :)

Pistol Pete

25-11-10, 08:35 PM

Always like this car. Look forward to seeing this progess.

Graeme

25-11-10, 08:36 PM

Excellent collection of parts there, than manifold is porn

discoinferno

25-11-10, 08:55 PM

will be a serious weapon

Count Vaux Alot

25-11-10, 09:23 PM

Nice start to a project!

Connor

26-11-10, 12:42 AM

Always loved this nova, looks spot on.
Sounds like its going to be a right track toy once done

Ernie

26-11-10, 07:14 AM

About time this one got sorted.
Good luck with the build..

Benn

26-11-10, 07:44 AM

2? That's just greedy.

Will F

26-11-10, 08:28 AM

will be a serious weapon

Driven by an even bigger one! lol

Good to see a decent spec without throttle bodies - interesting to see how power/torque is delivered compared to TBs.

What about management?

corsakid

26-11-10, 08:35 AM

Will run it in on the the dizzy setup i have, and then look at getting ignition management!

Ben

26-11-10, 08:44 AM

One to watch, love your car, was telling Gary to convince you sale me it the other day lol

Stuart

26-11-10, 09:47 AM

might need 48's to get where you want, but 45's will give you a reasonable bit of poke as scummy brummy nova---chris had 45's on his and got 200bhp on a hot day with fairly minor engine mods compared to what youre doing :)

corsakid

26-11-10, 10:04 AM

45's should be ok imho, if not ill have to buy some 48's we will see

philip

26-11-10, 10:19 AM

45s are enough imo 48s are abit bit.

novaxe235

26-11-10, 11:01 AM

It will make that power all day long on 45's, the guy who built my engine builds c20Xe's everyday making between 230-250 bhp on 45's.

Will F

26-11-10, 09:14 PM

It will make that power all day long on 45's, the guy who built my engine builds c20Xe's everyday making between 230-250 bhp on 45's.

Thats true - all the hot rod/oval pick ups have to run T45s and they are around the 230-35 mark - so Stu STFU;)

Stuart

26-11-10, 09:24 PM

:p

I'd put 48's on to be annoying

BRoadGhost

26-11-10, 09:34 PM

Understand that even with paper thin chokes 45's will taper to 40MM so the +3 to a 48 wouldn't be much more than 42MM choked.

Stuart

26-11-10, 09:55 PM

what, no abuse..... you are becoming soft.

Will F

26-11-10, 10:04 PM

what, no abuse..... you are becoming soft.

48s are for homos and lady boys. Bet you have boxes of them at home

Better?

Stuart

26-11-10, 10:06 PM

nahh, nees 5hit eating added in there to be proper Broadghost abuse

corsakid

27-11-10, 03:43 PM

Not much of an update but postman dropped off

Arp flywheel bolts

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/aec39c05.jpg

Engine assembly lube

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/54e587a1.jpg

Jonlem

27-11-10, 04:29 PM

Engine assembly lube

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/54e587a1.jpg

I hear Stuart keeps a bottle of that in his bedside table for "special" occasions

Ben

28-11-10, 10:01 AM

I hear Stuart keeps a bottle of that in his bedside table for "special" occasions

Why when i saw the bottle of lube did i also think of Stuart!

corsakid

29-11-10, 07:02 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/cfc9b09e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/59a328e6.jpg

Pistons arrived

Alex J

29-11-10, 07:17 PM

what, no abuse..... you are becoming soft.We dont aduse stuart as this comes out..

http://www.thebackshed.com/windmill/forum1/uploads/sPuDd/2009-05-26_223513_ForumBanStick.jpg

top project mate!!!

philip

29-11-10, 07:23 PM

solid lifters, cams, verniers, springs, caps, pump gears and cometic should be with you by weekend matey

corsakid

29-11-10, 07:27 PM

;)

discoinferno

29-11-10, 07:41 PM

nice cut outs

corsakid

29-11-10, 07:58 PM

Cheers! Should be big enough I reckon

dj_wudgey

29-11-10, 08:35 PM

ive liked this motor for a few years now looks ace only part i dont like is the trooper bonet vent but it looks ace!!

John

29-11-10, 08:57 PM

I'm guessing the trooper vent is more function than for looks lol

Jonlem

29-11-10, 09:00 PM

What C/R do you expect using those ?

philip

29-11-10, 09:40 PM

iirc flat tops on a stock chambered head is 11:1 but flat tops do give a better burn that raised crown.

corsakid

30-11-10, 08:51 AM

yeah 11:1 on these pistons, didnt want to go too high on compression ratio, want a bit of longevity out of the engine

Jonlem

30-11-10, 09:01 AM

Ah cool, That is what was in my mates and we were knocking on the door of 230hp.

corsakid

30-11-10, 09:22 AM

yeah thats around the power i want to be making,

philip

30-11-10, 01:33 PM

id like to see a good 240bhp at the fly at about 7.8k:D

corsakid

30-11-10, 02:15 PM

you would i would aswell hopefully!

Jonlem

01-12-10, 01:40 AM

Will F

01-12-10, 09:11 AM

I think we would of seen close to that if we had messed with the cam timing, manifold could of potentially held it back but it was still making power at 8650 so it can't of been that much of a restriction

Adam's I assume?

Mine peaks at about 8200 and makes around 245 ish, and is a similar spec to what Ad's was - I am guessing thats down to the timing though.

The Simps

01-12-10, 09:58 AM

Love this car, its just slutty! Good luck with the new engine build.

Jonlem

01-12-10, 10:45 AM

Adam's I assume?

Mine peaks at about 8200 and makes around 245 ish, and is a similar spec to what Ad's was - I am guessing thats down to the timing though.

Was exactly that, cam timing wasn't right and they wouldn't mess with it as they hadn't built the engine.

I'm still confident it would of seen a fair bit more than 230 in the end but after the guide failiure it all went down hill sadly

philip

01-12-10, 03:21 PM

will - what spec are your cams?

corsakid

01-12-10, 08:35 PM

Few more bits steel h beam con rods

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/2e24ae00.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/b7ede19c.jpg

New core plugs

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/5e741f74.jpg

Will F

02-12-10, 08:41 AM

will - what spec are your cams?

I can never remember - and I cant find the build sheets... iirc they are 295/304 (thats as specific as I get - I need to dig out the sheets to find lift etc)

corsakid

04-12-10, 08:07 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/759e33ac.jpg

No update parts still on order, but decided to mess around with rods and pistons :-)

corsakid

22-12-10, 06:03 PM

Finally some parts arrived cheers Phillip! :-)

Oil pump gears inner and outer!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/d3aa922a.jpg

Shims

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/dc73f301.jpg

Double valve springs and steel caps

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/a5ae2c23.jpg

Solid lifters

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/52a0c7b1.jpg

Slimmer valve stem seals

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/8f461559.jpg

Qed 450 spec camshafts from blanks

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/8fa7fe5b.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/eb9e985e.jpg

Dropping parts off at engine builders tonight!

mk1nova_rich

22-12-10, 06:24 PM

Can't wait to see the end result of that little lot! Credit card must have had a raping lol good luck with the build

discoinferno

23-12-10, 09:29 AM

will be awesome once done, best get saving for the final bill from pete :)

corsakid

23-12-10, 11:01 AM

i know tell me about it :tard: should be ok when done though:d

Nick J

23-12-10, 11:35 AM

Some nice spec parts their fella! Are the oil pump gears the stronger ones as supplied by sbd etc and did philip supply them to you?

cheers,

Nick.

corsakid

23-12-10, 12:07 PM

Some nice spec parts their fella! Are the oil pump gears the stronger ones as supplied by sbd etc and did philip supply them to you?

cheers,

Nick.

sbd only supply the inner gear if i remember rightly! might be wrong though but yeah got everything off phillip

philip

23-12-10, 06:41 PM

get there eventually haha, sbd, qed, redline racing, autosprint etc only sell the inners iirc but i can now get an outer too.

be nice to see the build once done:D

steveboyslim

23-12-10, 10:37 PM

get there eventually haha, sbd, qed, redline racing, autosprint etc only sell the inners iirc but i can now get an outer too.

be nice to see the build once done:D

Steel on steel is not always a good idea, with oil pumps you can get 'rotor lock' that is why the companies you mentioned did not bother with an outer steel gear.
More of Martin's parts ?

Steve

Nobby

24-12-10, 08:34 PM

nice project mate!!

corsakid

25-12-10, 10:36 AM

Steel on steel is not always a good idea, with oil pumps you can get 'rotor lock' that is why the companies you mentioned did not bother with an outer steel gear.
More of Martin's parts ?

Steve

is 'rotor lock' likely then? surely if it was that much of an issue martin would not have produced the outer gear?

corsakid

09-01-11, 01:05 PM

Not much has been happening but I bought an early low mileage 20 xe
So it needed a good degrease, the engine had a slight miss fire couldn't see anything obvious, did compression check number 3 cylinder had NO compression,
So removed the head

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/d3adfaee.jpg

Bores are very very good honing marks still present, no scoring or marks in the bores very pleased!

Think this is the original manufacture date

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Head off

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/c6242ef8.jpg

Early early head

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/9bb8dbf2.jpg

This would cause no compression 2 bent inlet valves very strange

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/RSGBodystylingska/f857de52.jpg