C14se inlet suggestions?

[rallynova1400]

Hi there, could anyone tell me on a c14se engine would i be better running it on the standard injection remapped or put twin 40's on it?

[mk1nova_rich]

what will you be using the car for? Good power can be made on the standard inlet but matching all the ports up and getting it all flowed properly will improve things even more. The ECU is the limiting factor on the injection engines, especially if you are chasing high power figures, which is when people opt to use a pair of twin carbs, but for moderate power levels i would stick with the injection :)

[rallynova1400]

Its for a rally car, well i was going piggy back chip the ECU and try remap it then, would there still be a limiting factor? what sort off power would you except from lighting and balanced bottom end, ported polished head and a higher lift cam with 40's or injection?

[Steve0011]

put it this way, i have a mate who has won many awards for stage and road rallys. he ran twin 40's for many years and when the ban on 40's came in for road rallys he changed to standard injection.

he runs a 1400 bottom end with the GTE 1.6 injection, head is ported etc with the piper cam he had from the carb setup, he also has a 'trick' F13 with LSD.

is words not mine "jesus i wish i had done this years ago" :)

[rallynova1400]

so what your saying is the injection would be better?

[Stuart]

I'd stay with the injection setup, change the a FULLY mappable ecu rather than a piggyback (unless its an AEM Fic or a perfect power SMT6/7, if you say unichip you get a kick in the nuts lol).

with the 1.6 8v its been proven that you can get the same power out of the oem inlet with ecu as you can with an identically modded engine with 40's on it

[rallynova1400]

Where could i get a fully remapable ECU then?

[Stuart]

Megasquirt/gotech/canecu/dta/mbe/omex/autronic/emerald/motec/solaris/wolf/many many more.

For running a simple N/A engine almost all the bottom of the range stuff will do the job.

[mowgli]

i still love the south african one..... Dicktator.

[rallynova1400]

What kinda money would they be?

So run 1600 gte injection system and a remapable ECU?

[mowgli]

i think stu was making the point that the 1.6 8v was capable of 150-160hp and still in std condition but with a modified ecu (old group A rules)

the c14se std setup about the same as a 1.6, so just getting it mapped should do the trick.

[Steve0011]

so what your saying is the injection would be better?

hell yeh :thumb: even with standard ECU/Chip :)

My mate was ANWCC stage champion (1400 class) a few years ago so if he says the injection is better, then who am i to argue :d

[Stuart]

What kinda money would they be?


google, but you will be looking at something like £500 MIN for a system and mapping if you are lucky.

Oh there is the more commecrial verison of megasquirt, Mtech, they are very well priced inc some mapping time.

[rallynova1400]

i think stu was making the point that the 1.6 8v was capable of 150-160hp and still in std condition but with a modified ecu (old group A rules)

the c14se std setup about the same as a 1.6, so just getting it mapped should do the trick.




Well what did vauxhall do with the ECU in there rally cars?

[Steve0011]

google, but you will be looking at something like £500 MIN for a system and mapping if you are lucky.

Oh there is the more commecrial verison of megasquirt, Mtech, they are very well priced inc some mapping time.

might well look into this myself :d

does anyone do pre-mapped chips for the C14SE? plug and play :)

[Stuart]

No one does any (well none that are of any real use) tbh.

Vauxhall would have had access to calibrate the ecu so they had all the fun :)

[mowgli]

re what did vauxhall do....
if it was the old bosch l3.1 jetronic setup, it honestly was a case of putting in different resistors to alter the fueling which is why a digital mappable will be better.