17S fitting

[Cheeze]

thinking of putting 17S on my car, just wondered if i would have to get coilovers or not, have g-max shocks & springs 60 mm. thanx

[Ste_Nova]

rolled rear arches... maybe have to trim fronts

[mikeoxford]

offset is the all inmportant factor here.

mine are et42 and im doing a lot more work than i thought id have to

stick to et 45.... no more else itll rub the inside then.....

[novashed]

ive got 17, et49 phantoms, rolled and falred front arches with 5mm spacers to get a proper setup on the camber and no scrubbin on the roll bar !!!, drives wicked now, rears just flattened the arch out

[mark_GSi]

mine are 47mm offset, rolled rears, nothing else, dropped 60mm 2, had 4 in the car, dont rub at all :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[novashed]

lucky you :D

[Rick Draper]

with 5mm spacers to get a proper setup on the camber

Care to enlighten me on how a 5mm spacer will sort out camber problems?:roll: Rick

[Cheeze]

kool thanx. will have to get some pics of the car on soon, when the kit is fitted, full novalution kit looks wicked

[broomfield]

i`ve got 17teens and their a pain to fit but worth it

[mikeoxford]

i`ve got 17teens and their a pain to fit but worth it

my sentiments exactly.

my arches had already been previously rolled, but the wheels are out a bit on offset :evil:

[Breeny]

Phantoms dont come in et49 either only 45.

lol @ spacing out the rear wheel to change camber, yeh thats gonna work :roll:

You don'e even need to adjust the camber on the rear, because its a beam setup, lowering the car doesnt affect camber.

[Ste_Nova]

spacers will affect camber

[novashed]

lets clear this up, i fitted spacers to the front wheels only, i got it wrong about the et45 on the phantoms, i had to fit the spacers on the front of my car to clear the antiroll bar on full lock, therefore the spacers have made it possible for the tracking to be set properly and the camber angle of the FRONT wheels so they dont rub any where

[novashed]

sorry i made things so unclear apologies to anyone confused, theres no need to make people feel like a complete tw*t though breeny

[RobHardyUK]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. I was gonna say lol :lol: i fort u ment in another way, in which you would be making the track wider hence creatinng more arch rubbing lmao. nm glad u sorted it. mine rub, on the rears, dunno what offset i got,but they were off a rover, and they r 15s. they rub quite badly, cant take mroe than 3 ppl in car, 3 is pushing it. my dad was gonna/will prob skim the brake drums to ruduce the track. arches are already as thin as.

[Rick Draper]

spacers will affect camber


No they will not. Rick

[Ste_Nova]

yes they will

[Breeny]

Care to explain then Ste.

[Ste_Nova]

extra offset will load the suspension and affect the camber

[Breeny]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[RobHardyUK]

spacers will not effect camber, camber is the angle of which the wheel leans, adding a spacer will only widen the track of the car, a spacer is flat, so it cannot alter the camber.

[Ste_Nova]

more spacers = more load.... add a 1meter thick spacer and u will bend the rear axle and crush the top mounts

[mikeoxford]

more spacers = more load.... add a 1meter thick spacer and u will bend the rear axle and crush the top mounts


:lol:

now theres an idea!

widen the track of your rear beam so that the wheels are on the outside of the arches and youll never get no scrubbin :twisted:

[jon_boy]

it doesnt alter the camber as such of the wheel but i understand what your saying ste. instead of a straight rear axle with two angled wheels on either end adding spacers mean that its and axle with two angled bits going to the wheels making the axle lower and making the angle of the wheels more prominent. but the actual wheel would still be at the same angle.

[Ste_Nova]

no.... the top of the wheel would be further in due the the way the weight is distributed

[mikeoxford]

to be fair to an extent ste is right - look at the way wheel bearings wear out quickly with wrong offset wheels.........

this is because the top of the bearing is squashed more than usual and the bottom dosent have as much pressure on it.......

its all about turning forces, "moments" as newton calls it

mike