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novadose2009
21-11-10, 02:17 PM
this game has over 10,000 cars in and heres the opel and vauxhall car list

OPEL
Opel GT'68
Opel GT Roadster '07
Opel Nova 1.6 GTE
Opel Nova 1.2 merit '86
Opel Chevette 1.3 '78
Opel Chevette 2.3 HSR '76
Opel Kadett C GTE
Opel Kadett 2.0E Rallye '78
Opel Manta 2.0
Opel Manta 2.0 GTE Coupe '85
Opel Manta A 1.9 Rallye
Opel Manta A 1.9 turbo
Opel Manta B i200
Opel Manta B i300
Opel Manta B i240
Opel Manta B Courtenay Turbo
Opel Manta CC GTE Hatchback '84
Opel Manta CC Irmscher Exclusive GTE / GTE
Opel Manta 400
Opel Manta GTE '76
Opel Diplomat V8 Coupé '65
Opel Diplomat V8 '66
Opel Diplomat 5.4S '76
Opel Ascona 400
Opel Ascona 2.0 GT/E
Opel Cavalier 2.0 16V SRi (150bhp)
Opel Cavalier GSi2000
Opel Cavalier 1.8 CD '91
Opel Cavalier GSi2000 '90
Opel Firenza racer 'Baby Bertha' 5.0 V8 '75
Opel Monza GSE '77
Opel Commodore Coupe '70
Opel Commodore Jumbo '74
Opel Rekord '70
Opel Senator CD 24v '87
Opel Aguila 1.2L Gas '08
Opel Aguila 1.3L Diesel '08
Opel Corsa 1.6 16V GSi
Opel Corsa 1.8 16V SRi
Opel Corsa 1.6 T VXR
Opel Corsa '95
Opel Corsa GSi 1.8 16v '03
Opel Corsa 1.2 Twinport '04
Opel CorsaVan Concept '06
Opel Corsa 1.4 3Door '07
Opel Corsa 1.4 5Door '07
Opel Corsa 1.3 CDTi 3Door '07
Opel Corsa 1.6 Turbo OPC '08
Opel Astra GTE (Mk1)
Opel Astra 2.0 16V GTE (Mk2)
Opel Astra 2.0 16V GSi (150bhp) (Mk3)
Opel Astra 2.2 16V SRi (Mk4)
Opel Astra 2.0 T GSi (Mk4)
Opel Astra 2.0 T SRi (200bhp) (Mk5)
Opel Astra 2.0 T VXR (Mk5)
Opel Astra GSI16V
Opel Astra 1.3 '81
Opel Astra GTE '88
Opel Astra OPC Xtreme Concept Car '02
Opel Astra Coupé Turbo '01
Opel Astra 1.8 16v Sport Edition II '03
Opel Astra 1.6 Twinport '03
Opel Astra HPC Concept '04
Opel Astra GTC {168HP} 5Door '05
Opel Astra VXR '05
Opel Astra OPC 2.0 '05
Opel Astra GTC 2.0L {168HP} 3Door '05
Opel Astra GTC 2.0L {197hp} 3Door '05
Opel Astra OPC '06
Opel Calibra '94
Opel Calibra 2.5 V6 '94
Opel Calibra 2.0 16V 4x4 Turbo
Opel Calibra Turbo '89
Opel Calibra Turbo '96
Opel Vectra 2.5 V6 GSi
Opel Vectra 3.2 V6 GSi
Opel Vectra 2.8 T VXR (250bhp)
Opel Vectra 2000
Opel Vectra STW
Opel Vectra DTM Race Car '05
Opel Omega 3.2 MV6
Opel Omega 3000
Opel Omega 4000
Opel Omega Evo 500 '93
Opel Omega B Station '9x
OpelLotus Omega 2000
Opel Monaro VXR '05
Opel VX220 Supercharged
Opel VX220 Turbo '04
Opel EcoSpeedster Concept Car '02
Opel Meriva VXR '06
Opel Meriva OPC '06
Opel Antara 3.2 V6 SUV '06
Opel Tigra Ice Rally Car '98
Opel Trix Concept '04

VAUXHALL
Vauxhall Viva [HB] GT
Vauxhall Corsa OPC '02
Vauxhall Corsa SRi '04
Vauxhall Corsa SRI 1.8 '06
Vauxhall Corsa 1.6 VXR '06
Vauxhall Nova 1.3 SR '83
Vauxhall Nova 1.4i SRi '83
Vauxhall Nova Rally Car '
Vauxhall Nova GTE '
Vauxhall Chevette HSR '
Vauxhall Belmont 1.6 '
Vauxhall Astra GTE Mk1 '
Vauxhall Astra 2.0 GSi 16v Mk 3 '
Vauxhall Astra VXR '
Vauxhall Astra Sport Hatch 1.9 CDTi (150) SRi '
Vauxhall Astra 1.9 CDTi Triple Eight '
Vauxhall Astra VXR 1.9 Diesel '
Vauxhall Astra GTE 16v '90
Vauxhall Astra 2.0i 16v '00
Vauxhall Astra 1.7 Di '00
Vauxhall Astra 1.7 DTi '01
Vauxhall Astra 1.4i 16v '02
Vauxhall Astra 1.6i 8v '02
Vauxhall Astra 1.6i 16v '02
Vauxhall Astra 1.8i 16v 02
Vauxhall Astra 2.2i 16v '02
Vauxhall Astra 2.0i T 197 '02
Vauxhall Astra 1.7 CDTi '03
Vauxhall Astra GSi '04
Vauxhall Astra "VX Racing" BTCC '04
Vauxhall Astra SRi 2.0 5door `05
Vauxhall Astra 1.6i 16v '05
Vauxhall Astra 1.8i 16v '05
Vauxhall Astra 2.0i 16v 173 '05
Vauxhall Astra 2.0i 16v 197 '05
Vauxhall Astra 2.0i 16v VXR '05
Vauxhall Astra 1.7 CDTi 80 '05
Vauxhall Astra 1.7 CDTi 100 '05
Vauxhall Astra 1.3 CDTi 90 '05
Vauxhall Astra 1.9 CDTi 120 '05
Vauxhall Astra 1.9 CDTi 150 '05
Vauxhall Firenza [HC] '
Vauxhall Firenza Droop Snoot '
Vauxhall Firenza “Baby Bertha” '
Vauxhall Monaro VXR '
Vauxhall Monaro '06
Vauxhall Cavalier [MK2] GLSi 2.0
Vauxhall Cavalier [MK3] SRi 2.0
Vauxhall Cavalier SRi 130 '88
Vauxhall Cavalier Calibre '88
Vauxhall Cavalier 4X4 '90
Vauxhall Cavalier "Ray Mallock Ltd" BTCC '95
Vauxhall Vectra 1.9 CDTi TT '
Vauxhall Vectra "Triple Eight Racing" BTCC '00
Vauxhall Vectra 2.0 DTi '02
Vauxhall Vectra 2.2 DTi '02
Vauxhall Vectra 1.9 CDTi 120 '05
Vauxhall Vectra 1.9 CDTI 150 '05
Vauxhall Vectra 3.0 V6 CDTi 175 '05
Vauxhall Vectra 1.8i 16v '05
Vauxhall Vectra 2.2i 16v '05
Vauxhall Vectra 2.8i 16v VXR '06
Vauxhall Omega 3.0 MV6 '97
Vauxhall Meriva Design 1.8 `03
Vauxhall Meriva 1.4i 16v '05
Vauxhall Meriva 1.6i 16v '05
Vauxhall Meriva 1.8i 16v '05
Vauxhall Meriva 1.7 CDTi 100 '05
Vauxhall Meriva 1.3 CDTi 70 '05
Vauxhall Meriva 1.6i 16v VXR '06
Vauxhall Zafira 2.0 Di '99
Vauxhall Zafira 2.0 DTi '01
Vauxhall Zafira GSI `03
Vauxhall Zafira SRI 2.0 `05
Vauxhall Zafira 1.6i 16v '05
Vauxhall Zafira 1.8i 16v '05
Vauxhall Zafira 2.2i 16v '05
Vauxhall Zafira 2.0i 16v 197 '05
Vauxhall Zafira 1.9 CDTi 120 '05
Vauxhall Zafira 1.9 CDTi 150 '05
Vauxhall Zafira 2.0i 16v VXR '06
Vauxhall VX220 [MK1] '
Vauxhall VX220 [MK2] '05
Vauxhall VX220 Diesel Concept Car '
Vauxhall VXR220 '
Vauxhall Ventora V8 "Big Bertha" '
Vauxhall Signum VXR `06
Vauxhall Frontera V6 5Door '99
Vauxhall VX Lightnig Concept '04

SR-Rally
21-11-10, 02:19 PM
Really? Where did you get that list from as I was told there is 1,000 cars not 10,000 and no nova's chevette etc??

Edd
21-11-10, 02:20 PM
Failstation = GranTurismo 5

Win box = Forza

...... thers still time for them to delay the release date again :d

novadose2009
21-11-10, 02:21 PM
Really? Where did you get that list from as I was told there is 1,000 cars not 10,000 and no nova's chevette etc??

there u go bud thats were i found car list

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33712

L14MNP
21-11-10, 02:22 PM
LOL. The last I read they claimed to have over 10K cars but were only 'adding' around 750 and not all have damage capabilities.That's like me claiming to have £500K in the bank but only being able to produce £5K. L M A O

The saga that is GT5 gets better and better. Yeah the trailers look awesome, but so they should! By the time this actually hits the shelves Forza 4 will appear and wipe the floor with it. lol

Cle
21-11-10, 02:24 PM
theres gte's but no gsi's :(

L14MNP
21-11-10, 02:26 PM
theres gte's but no gsi's :(

You will be lucky if there is ONE variant of Nova/Corsa (all shapes). lol

Bubba
21-11-10, 02:28 PM
it will be a more door 1.0

Edd
21-11-10, 02:28 PM
The saga that is GT5 gets better and better. Yeah the trailers look awesome, but so they should! By the time this actually hits the shelves Forza 4 will appear and wipe the floor with it. lol

:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb: lollollollol

novadose2009
21-11-10, 02:28 PM
nova saloon would be immense lol

Bubba
21-11-10, 02:29 PM
if that list EVER gets completed...i will but a ps3 just for that, but until then....failbox for me

paul james
21-11-10, 02:29 PM
I've seen the latest list of cars in the game, and theres very few vauxhalls/opels in it, and certainly no Novas. That linked list is from 2007, no chance of there being even close to 10,000 cars in the game, unless you count different colours of cars seperatly.

L14MNP
21-11-10, 02:34 PM
GT's makers are full of sh!t lol. I have never even been a fan of the games. The dynamics etc never felt right to me, and the original was CRAP.

I was glued to Colin McRae rally then. **** playing that crap with it's dodgy graphics and gay handling. lol I remember going to mates house and he was doing some pointless 50/100 lap oval race in an Impreza and was raving about how great it was. Sure! Laters mate. I'm off to slide through some gate posts! lol

Free (J) Demio FTW though! lol

Bubba
21-11-10, 02:35 PM
i like rFactor for the PC....only just runs on mine though :(

Edd
21-11-10, 02:35 PM
Forza is the only driving simulator you need

L14MNP
21-11-10, 02:36 PM
Forza is the only driving simulator you need

WHS. Being chased up a winding Japanses mountain by a snarling R34 GTR FTW. :d

SR-Rally
21-11-10, 02:39 PM
GT's makers are full of sh!t lol. I have never even been a fan of the games. The dynamics etc never felt right to me, and the original was CRAP.

I was glued to Colin McRae rally then. **** playing that crap with it's dodgy graphics and gay handling. lol I remember going to mates house and he was doing some pointless 50/100 lap oval race in an Impreza and was raving about how great it was. Sure! Laters mate. I'm off to slide through some gate posts! lol

Free (J) Demio FTW though! lol


Apparently gt5 will have wrc championship and f1 champion ship as well as alot of others. It better be good after all this hyp and waiting

Danny s-p
21-11-10, 02:43 PM
is it true the top gear test track going to be on it lol

L14MNP
21-11-10, 02:46 PM
^ It's on the trailer dude. Would be good it if is. I don't have a PS3, but thankfully my mate buys every game so I can just go around his. lol

Pistol Pete
21-11-10, 03:04 PM
Failstation = GranTurismo 5

Win box = Forza

...... thers still time for them to delay the release date again :d

WHS. Thread can be closed now lol

moffat
21-11-10, 03:17 PM
ive pre ordered the game..... Meant to start of with 1000 cars and like forza you get downloads as as am aware anyway, so no novas to start of with but hopefully be downloadable content. Forza is good thought, cant wait for the 4th

blue_peg_16v
21-11-10, 07:38 PM
if there are novas and they alow a c20xe conversion, that will be the fastest car on the game cos everyone knows c20xe novas are the fastest thing in the world blood lol

mowgli
21-11-10, 07:40 PM
/\ bollards... it will be the 1.2, now they are really nippy

Mike
21-11-10, 07:52 PM
Forza is a really cool game!

GT5 would only be good if you could get Carlton GSi's & go ram raiding IMO.

moffat
21-11-10, 07:56 PM
didnt gt4 have a lotus carlton in it?

Cle
21-11-10, 07:58 PM
correct moffat

Mike
21-11-10, 08:11 PM
Forza 2 does aswell, Ive got one in my garage and its **** slow TBH as standard lol you can take them to about 600bhp on Forza for ultimate drift central mind.

Bubba
21-11-10, 08:13 PM
as does forza 3, as well as vx220, astra and corsa vxr (if i remember correctly), insignia vxr is on a download...astra v8 dtm car

and the monaro vxr

Mike
21-11-10, 08:14 PM
as does forza 3, as well as vx220, astra and corsa vxr (if i remember correctly), insignia vxr is on a download...astra v8 dtm car

Not got Forza 3, gotta complete Forza 2 yet (Im on level 38 currently so not far off now :cool: ) Astra DTMs on 2, I won one the other night (the Vodafone ADAC car - also have a 1/43 model of it lol).

Cle
21-11-10, 08:15 PM
just going to wait and see if forza 4 has novas then ill buy an xbox as thhere alot cheaper than ps3's

Derick-Sport
21-11-10, 08:45 PM
winbox and forza for me im afraid gt5 is just a delayed idea!

Alex J
21-11-10, 08:51 PM
i dont get driving games on a ps3, xbox etc, boring imo, real cars are better people!!!!!lol lol lol

dj_wudgey
21-11-10, 08:57 PM
ill be getting it!! definately if its got nova's on it but where's the sr in the list lol

BRoadGhost
21-11-10, 09:07 PM
Fact is the amount of man hours AND talent that goes into a Gran Tourismo now and throughout the ages has always set it part from ANY OTHER racing game. I dare you to question the physics on simulation mode using the proper 2 1/2 lock to lock steering wheel.

THE END

…I remember certain people QQ ing about how you may as well not bother trying to learn a track like the ring from it as "It's nothing like doing it in real life". Fact of the matter is no one else measures & translates that data like the polyphony team. Every elevation change, bump & camber change is measured to the closest ft. And that was designing for circa 2001 hardware. Either you understand those that are writing software at the cutting edge or you don't. No wonder they want to make the debut GT for PS3 SHINE. This title will literally sell the machine and I for one would only consider the investment based on this solitary masterpiece of software.

So for the morass to talk big about other tittles is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

SR-Rally
21-11-10, 09:10 PM
^^^ you should be in sales for gt5 ;)

BRoadGhost
21-11-10, 09:12 PM
Please don't say that; it's exactly what a friend said to me when I described the differences GT3 for the PS2 delivers over the PS1 GT2 a decade ago.

Alex J
21-11-10, 09:15 PM
^^ Its Not Real!!!lol lol lol lol

saloonwoody
21-11-10, 09:21 PM
got bored of waitin for it and sold my ps3 lol

Keif
21-11-10, 09:24 PM
The correct list of cars is here
http://eu.gran-turismo.com/local/gb/data1/products/gt5/carlist_en.html

The total "Vauxhall" related cars are

Lotus Carlton '90 :thumb:
Holden Commodore SS '04
Holden Monaro CV8 '04
Opel Astra Touring Car (Opel Team Phoenix) '00
Opel Calibra Touring Car '94
Opel Corsa Comfort 1.4 '01
Opel Speedster '00
Opel Speedster Turbo '00
Opel Tigra 1.6i '99
Opel Vectra 3.2 V6 '03
Vauxhall Astra Super Touring Car '00
Vauxhall Calibra Super Touring Car '94
Vauxhall Corsa Comfort 1.4 '01
Vauxhall Tigra 1.6i '99
Vauxhall Vectra 3.2 V6 '03
Vauxhall VX220 '00
Vauxhall VX220 Turbo '00

Bubba
21-11-10, 09:44 PM
not even a fecking cav btcc...only the shonky outcast donor car calibra and even that was from DTM

Mike
21-11-10, 09:48 PM
Lotus Carlton '90 - Got
Holden Commodore SS '04 - Got
Holden Monaro CV8 '04 - Need
Opel Astra Touring Car (Opel Team Phoenix) '00 - Got
Opel Calibra Touring Car '94 -Need
Opel Corsa Comfort 1.4 '01 -Got
Opel Speedster '00 - Got

lol lol lol

L14MNP
21-11-10, 10:13 PM
Seriously Mike. Take Forza 2 out of the drive and snap it in half!

Insert 'Threeza' and never look back! lol

Mike
21-11-10, 10:15 PM
Seriously Mike. Take Forza 2 out of the drive and snap it in half!

Insert 'Threeza' and never look back! lol

I cant afford new games all the time, im only a decorator FFS lol lol lol lol

L14MNP
21-11-10, 10:27 PM
You can probs get it for 15 quid now man lol

Plenty of spoiled kids will have traded up! I also agree with the 'it's only a game' comments. The guy on the previous page was getting a bit excited! :d

Adam
22-11-10, 08:49 PM
Why would they put a nova in Forza? lol

And yeah GT5 is out this week, and it does have the top gear track on.

Bubba
22-11-10, 08:53 PM
i got forza3 off the bay for 8quid :D

MK999
22-11-10, 08:53 PM
Fact is the amount of man hours AND talent that goes into a Gran Tourismo now and throughout the ages has always set it part from ANY OTHER racing game. I dare you to question the physics on simulation mode using the proper 2 1/2 lock to lock steering wheel.

THE END

…I remember certain people QQ ing about how you may as well not bother trying to learn a track like the ring from it as "It's nothing like doing it in real life". Fact of the matter is no one else measures & translates that data like the polyphony team. Every elevation change, bump & camber change is measured to the closest ft. And that was designing for circa 2001 hardware. Either you understand those that are writing software at the cutting edge or you don't. No wonder they want to make the debut GT for PS3 SHINE. This title will literally sell the machine and I for one would only consider the investment based on this solitary masterpiece of software.

So for the morass to talk big about other tittles is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

Actually iRacing is the only sim developer to map tracks using laser technology... Got bored of GT5 when I floored a 700bhp dodge viper mid corner to prove a point and it understeered? Must have had drag slicks on the back lol

peester
22-11-10, 09:10 PM
Wow, quite a bold statement, the first post.. dont think a game will ever have that many cars - not accurately modeled anyway..

gt5 fever has gripped me too now, should have it tommorow (too pre-ordered) ive had email to say its shipped so yay

winter hibernation is sorted

Adam
22-11-10, 09:29 PM
Oh and theres 1031 cars going by the Wiki page.

srs1
23-11-10, 09:46 AM
used to play gt1 on the ps1 and loved it. never played forza.

just thought i'd add my 1 pence worth as every one else is just blabbering on about the games.

time will tell. so put up updates and i'll decide if it's worth buying or not lol

AlexW
23-11-10, 01:19 PM
Actually iRacing is the only sim developer to map tracks using laser technology...

Live For Speed have also done that with rockingham, Although its not complete or anywhere near being put into the sim, and judging by there speed of late it wont be done for years.

BRoadGhost
23-11-10, 01:38 PM
When did I say GT is the only game "to map tracks using laser technology"?

I was describing the development team's effort, care & consideration to making real life circuits as accurate as probably the hardware would allow and that was TEN YEARS ago.

Like I said you set GT to simulation mode & use the proper wheel then tell me it's not the most refined & accurate digital driver around. As for an understeering Viper well who knows what setup & game settings you had - probably not touched ASM / TC & i arcade mode...

There's nothing else that rewards like a perfect high speed 4 wheel racing drift in something MR like an exige :)

Edd
23-11-10, 06:01 PM
^^^^^ F lol lol lol HARD !!!!

You must have not played Forza at all then, amazing with a controller, awesome with a wheel

Thing with GT5 is that because it taken so long to come out, numerous delays etc, it's will be disappointment

MK999
23-11-10, 06:04 PM
There's nothing else that rewards like a perfect high speed 4 wheel racing drift in something MR like an exige :)

Yeah, the issue is that GT rewards it and real life doesn't lol

peester
23-11-10, 09:01 PM
been playing it couple of hours now.. posted a bit on facebook from the day's action lol

SR-Rally
23-11-10, 09:12 PM
^^^^^ is it any good then?? i get my copy end of the week :)

peester
23-11-10, 09:47 PM
its awesome in my opinion.. vast game.

BRoadGhost
24-11-10, 06:44 PM
Holy fcuk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvxMEOO4a_E

BRoadGhost
24-11-10, 06:53 PM
These should be 1 litre novas:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg9LipFU6ek

Bubba
24-11-10, 07:17 PM
Holy fcuk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvxMEOO4a_E

realistic...so...where can you get tyres rated to that ;) lol

Keif
24-11-10, 08:28 PM
realistic...so...where can you get tyres rated to that ;) lol

Borrow them off your Veyron. lol

BRoadGhost
24-11-10, 09:17 PM
WHEN are people going to understand GT owns all others not because it looks the best, has the most amount of circuits, the most amount of cars, the most amount of features; although these are all valid by products, but because the physics it employs translates directly to understanding vehicle characteristics; in the setup, chassis layout, total mass, ride heights, other tuning aspects...

It's a learning device in my mind & watching the afore mentioned just reinforces that. As for where you gonna get tyres for that YEAH REALISTIC is just a lack of knowledge - what you think there are no tyre manufacturers that can't produce for a car that only goes to 400KPH+ ?

You could tell me next that the land speed record wasn't set on tyres. WAKE UP.

Edd
24-11-10, 10:01 PM
Do you work for a F1 team ? Should sprouting all that ! :d

L14MNP
24-11-10, 10:11 PM
WHEN are people going to understand GT owns all others not because it looks the best, has the most amount of circuits, the most amount of cars, the most amount of features; although these are all valid by products, but because the physics it employs translates directly to understanding vehicle characteristics; in the setup, chassis layout, total mass, ride heights, other tuning aspects...

It's a learning device in my mind & watching the afore mentioned just reinforces that. As for where you gonna get tyres for that YEAH REALISTIC is just a lack of knowledge - what you think there are no tyre manufacturers that can't produce for a car that only goes to 400KPH+ ?

You could tell me next that the land speed record wasn't set on tyres. WAKE UP.

Get a life fanboy! It is epically flawed and not worth the wait.

Suck it up! lol

mowgli
24-11-10, 10:25 PM
You could tell me next that the land speed record wasn't set on tyres. WAKE UP.

http://www.bloodhoundssc.com/_db/_images/Thrust_SSC_engineer_Glynne_Bowsher.jpg

spun aluminium wheels.

Ben
25-11-10, 01:11 PM
Do you get a free xbox with forza for when the system brakes after playing it for 2 hours?

Edd
25-11-10, 01:18 PM
Played GT5 for a few hours yesterday, I can honestly say it's a good game but I still prefer Forza 3, F1 2010 is also better IMO

Ben
25-11-10, 01:20 PM
I have F1 2010 for the PS3 (not sure if its out on the failbox) and hated it at first but after i ditched the factory setup i love it, excellent game.

Edd
25-11-10, 01:23 PM
Yeah it's out on the WinBox as well as the Failstation, factory set is turd, and autobox is the way to go, manual is VERY hard lol

Ben
25-11-10, 01:31 PM
for sure, manual box is just a no go zone!

MK999
25-11-10, 01:34 PM
Get a life fanboy! It is epically flawed and not worth the wait.

This lol All the settings affect the cars yes... unfortunately reading milliken & milliken cover to cover doesn't actually help setting up cars in gran turismo, guesswork does though lol

mowgli
25-11-10, 02:39 PM
i had an old ps truck racing game.... on the original settings the wagon was like grabbing a tiger by its tail.......... so i reset the tracking, ride height & brake balance, then won the next 10 races.... i never played it again.

but i do like to knock about on gt1 with some dodgy grey or beige sedan thing & slowly tune it up.. i think it makes the racing better than getting the cheat & 1 gazillion points.