10k for a nova ????

[bainyboy sr]

would anyone pay that for a nova ???, does anyone think thats a bit extremme , i dont think anyone would shed out 10k for a nova its alot to ask i cant understand why people put prices on them like this think its a bit far fetcht

[bazil]

Pics of said car?

[wwmnw]

If its a top spec, race prepped proven car then yeah, that's a good price, if its a 1.2 in good condition, no.

[bainyboy sr]

Pics of said car?

its the white mid engined 1 i seen on piston heads advertised for 9995 its on here too but not forsale, i no its had a lot of work done to it but come on ,

[Jack]

Depends what you're after. If you were buying a £10k car with £20k of parts that you'd otherwise buy yourself - I'm thinking rally/racing applications here - then yeah it makes sense. People who spend £10k on a road car then expect to sell said car for the money they've spent on it - no chance.

For a road car, I wouldn't pay it. I'd not even want to pay £1k for a Nova tbh lol

[bazil]

Ahh I know the one, no I'd not pay that for it.
Probbably pay £10k for keif's GSI though, but I'm soft in the head at times :)

[draper]

the red wide arched nova was recently up for £10kish aswell iirc

worth every penny imo (the red one i mean, havent seen the white one so cant comment)

[bainyboy sr]

the red wide arched nova was recently up for £10kish aswell iirc

worth every penny imo (the red one i mean, havent seen the white one so cant comment)

you havent seen it up close its a mess i seen it at knockhill in october not worth anything like that

[mk1nova_rich]

there was a mid-engined one up for 30K not so long ago on PH. Nothing special as the engine was still in transversely

[bainyboy sr]

there was a mid-engined one up for 30K not so long ago on PH. Nothing special as the engine was still in transversely

the v6 one ? was featured in total vauxhall not so long ago?

[philip]

the white one was what daveyLC started iirc a couple of years abck so the lad had only finished it off and put an 8v motor in and some paint. its ablot of money though.

[draper]

you havent seen it up close its a mess i seen it at knockhill in october not worth anything like that

big power XE, widetrack, sequential box and ready built - i aint to fussed bodywork wise anyway (as shall soon be unvielled lol) and it was being used as a race car was it not ? battle scars are to be expected

[bainyboy sr]

big power XE, widetrack, sequential box and ready built - i aint to fussed bodywork wise anyway (as shall soon be unvielled lol) and it was being used as a race car was it not ? battle scars are to be expected

i agree the car is to a very high spec but if you were paying that you would expect it to be clean imo

[Ben]

i agree the car is to a very high spec but if you were paying that you would expect it to be clean imo

No properly used race/ track car is ever going to be mint in the body!

[bainyboy sr]

No properly used race/ track car is ever going to be mint in the body!

im not sayin mint you would expect it to be clean for that price thats all im saying

[mk1nova_rich]

im not sayin mint you would expect it to be clean for that price thats all im saying

as long as it doesnt need welding or having rust issues...poor panel gaps, dents and scrapes are to be expected :thumb:

[Mieran]

If I had the money I would happily pay 10k for a Nova, for example that red one from Scotland, that was well worth it

[mk1nova_rich]

if i had 10K to play with I wouldn't be looking at Novas...end of

[mayhem]

crazy. i got offerd an original Irmscher sprint for 1500 euro a few weeks ago.

not mint, needed new sills etc, but still.. so why pay 10 for a normal one?

[bainyboy sr]

If I had the money I would happily pay 10k for a Nova, for example that red one from Scotland, that was well worth it

the red one condition wise could do with a respray wid arch kit has cracks all over it scrapes terrible match in's, it has an amazing setup in it and is very quick , but not worth 10k if it was clean then yes but its gone down hill

[grooge]

for 10k i'd be looking at old fords over novas i think.

[Mieran]

fords are gay, why would anyone get a ford over a Nova lol

[grooge]

id have a mk2 escort over a nova any day of the week.

[vaux_91]

fords are gay, why would anyone get a ford over a Nova lol

If i had that sorta cash it'd go on an old skool ford if not something new ! I'd never put more than about 1.5k into a nova if i was buying it and keeping it as it is. Old fords hold value if not rise in it and there a lot better cars IMO

[Bubba]

This one?

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs071.snc3/13833_189836002844_717137844_4021773_4871727_n.jpg

[markc20xe]

no way pay 10k for a nova!!!

[Jonlem]

fords are gay, why would anyone get a ford over a Nova lol
I went from this :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/PNG%20Ring%20Trip%202005/ringtrip22.jpg

To one of these :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/22012009240.jpg

Running one of these :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Escort%20Build/P1040748.jpg

Still WIP I might add but which would you rather have :thumb:

[Pistol Pete]

Have you got a WIP thread for that ^??

10k for a Nova is stupid IMO. So many cars you could buy with that amount of money!!

[grooge]

jonlem has the right idea.

[Rexy]

PMSL, some of these posts make me giggle... like **** you would buy a nova for 10k.

If you had 10k sat in your bank the last thing you would buy is a nova, I dont care what spec the nova is. You just wouldn't do it...

[Jonlem]

Have you got a WIP thread for that ^??

10k for a Nova is stupid IMO. So many cars you could buy with that amount of money!!

I haven't got a upto date one mate, bit of a long story involving the shell but hopefully this side of the next millenium I will have a shell to bolt all my bits too lol

I can always start a thread but this IS a Vauxhall Nova website and Fords are gay.............. apparently :roll::plol

As for 10k on a nova, I guess that depends what it is, lets face it Vauxhalls, especially Novas have a very "pikey" following, most Ford owners are mentally anal about well built cars, not cutting corners and looking to build cars that are going perform for more than a 1/4 mile at a time.

If a ex works Nova came up for sale how much do you think that would sell for ? a lot, and there ARE better specced cars about that IMO would justify a selling price well over 10k, its just that a lot of Vauxhall owners don't appreciate the amount of time and also money that has to go into these cars to make them perform how they do.

[Pistol Pete]

Start one. I bet there are few on here, me included, that would love to see it!!

[Jonlem]

PMSL, some of these posts make me giggle... like **** you would buy a nova for 10k.

If you had 10k sat in your bank the last thing you would buy is a nova, I dont care what spec the nova is. You just wouldn't do it...

Utter boll0cks, if your looking to build a car for sprint use or compete in a race series of some sort, a hot hatch event then a Nova is a bloody good choice and building a proper car is going to cost a shed load more than 10k so yes if you were in that position and a suitably specced car came up for sale you may buy it if its going to save you the thick end of 10k and a lot of time

[Pistol Pete]

What would Novarallys cost to buy? Once built?? Thats a hill climb car IIRC. Pretty high spec.

[Jonlem]

Being honest I don't know, its a good example though but the engine isn't slightly on the same level as some of them, it is however a few quids worth and has a decades worth of development in it.

[Jonlem]

Start one. I bet there are few on here, me included, that would love to see it!!

I'll have a think about it !

:d

[Rexy]

Jon, the Original post is about Road going cars not motorsport stuff.

And the majority of users on this site are not involved with any kind of motorsport at all tbh.


I take it you have seen the formentioned nova? http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/2217151.htm

[Jonlem]

I had but started going off on one, quite typical of me, sorry :cry:

The car in question is worth probably 5k if he is lucky, there is nothing of any particular value on it, just cheap parts, the carbs and seats looking to be the most expensive parts I can see.

Thats the problem with trying to be different, different isn't always best, or not atleast in the eyes of people who actually have that sort of money.

[Bubba]

i saw a 3.0 v6 mid engine ones up for 29,995....posted pic few pages back.

lolable

[Rexy]

Lmfbo you need a cuddle you big homo?

[bainyboy sr]

PMSL, some of these posts make me giggle... like **** you would buy a nova for 10k.

If you had 10k sat in your bank the last thing you would buy is a nova, I dont care what spec the nova is. You just wouldn't do it...

agree with you 100%

[Benn]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/22012009240.jpg


Christ has you still not finished it? I remember seeing it in that state about 2years ago...

[Ben]

What would Novarallys cost to buy? Once built?? Thats a hill climb car IIRC. Pretty high spec.

IIRC he couldnt get the £6k asking price for it when he tried to sale it.

[Jonlem]

Christ has you still not finished it? I remember seeing it in that state about 2years ago...

Nope, and I haven't actually seen it since then either, as I said long story !

Its changed, or is supposed to of changed a bit since then, wrong arches for one on the back as thats not what I asked for, few minor things, trick TCA setup is gone as I got some different suspension which would not work with the hubs the new kit used, no bad thing really as the lower arms and hubs were the best part of £1500 which I've probably halved now but then added some Ohlins 2 ways which were a couple of quid.

I'll start a thread in a minute !

[ste porter]

ok fair enough guys i see what your saying about price and i kind of agree
that car is not work 10k in my opinion and in a way i agree with rexy that if i had a 10k lump sum i would not be looking at novas for my first choice when you have the option of cossies evos and high spec rice rockets ect

so heres a question for you
over the duration of the build ect and this is not including man hours ect
I exspect i am going to of easy exceeded the 10k mark with the 4x4 nova (engine alone has had best part of 3.5 spent on it already and its not even built let alone the rest of the car!)

so whats my 4x4 nova going to be worth?
awd 450-500bhp target
finished to a decent standard and estimating about 16k going in it realisticly

because im only planning a year running it then do all the shows ect as many track days as i can then sell it

because its going to be road legal does it mean it wouldnt be worthy of a high price tag because thats the way the thread seems to be heading

also another point i want to make is stuff is only worth what people are willing to pay he may get lucky and find someone willing to pay that but that said he might not

[Bubba]

so whats my 4x4 nova going to be worth?
awd 450-500bhp target
finished to a decent standard and estimating about 16k going in it realisticly



whatever someone is willing to pay


on a good day you may get 8 for it, then again on a bad day you might only get 4

[Jonlem]

16k won't get you anywhere near that sort of power with a car to build at the same time.

[ste porter]

im not including all the bits ive already got mate
dont forget it was a fully built decent spec nova turbo before i started not a standard base
16k doesent include the dta, turbo, pistons, manifold, wastegate, box, general running gear, high spec head, shell, seats, gearbox, fuel system injectors, all the arp's ect ect

if you iclude the price of all the bits i had before i started then its going to be more like a 22-24k build mate

i have got so many bits its unreal so alot of it doesnt cost me directly as such spud will tell you what my workshops like

have you seen my build thread?

[Mike]

Ten large for a Nova FPMSL lol lol

Last thing Id want be building or buying with ten grand is a Nova. Gartrac shell & a 4 year waiting list for me Im afraid. Fcuk you can get a panelled & glass'ed WRC Escort Cosworth shell for £4k second hand.

[Jonlem]

Fair enough mate !

I will go and have a looksie shortly

[Jonlem]

Ten large for a Nova FPMSL lol lol

Last thing Id want be building or buying with ten grand is a Nova. Gartrac shell & a 4 year waiting list for me Im afraid.

Gartrac shell ?

[Mike]

Gartrac shell ?

http://www.gartrac.com/store/erol.html?8635x0#9325X0

As in a Gartrac prepare shell.

[Jonlem]

Proper stuff, that said there are some proper shells about at the minute for less than Gartrac would want for one

[Mike]

Proper stuff, that said there are some proper shells about at the minute for less than Gartrac would want for one

Well yeah but if I/you had the cash you so would wouldnt you lol

[bainyboy sr]

well look paul coulndt get 7500 for his turbo nova he had on pistonheads and he ended up braking it and that was a decent spec

[Mieran]

PMSL, some of these posts make me giggle... like **** you would buy a nova for 10k.

If you had 10k sat in your bank the last thing you would buy is a nova, I dont care what spec the nova is. You just wouldn't do it...

If I had 10k in the bank I wouldn't be buying a 10k car in the first place.

I was saying I would pay 10k for a Nova if I was rich and money wasn't an issue.

And Jonlem, I would take a Nova over an Escort any day, might seem a little weird to you and others.

[david dixon]

I wouldn't pay £10K for a nova but i will end up spending alot more on my own but at least i know its right and how i want it instead of paying 10K then spending £££ putting it right.

David.

[greg1.4]

My nova rally car owes me £10,000!

I would buy a nova for that kinda money, Eurorallye was selling a really nice nova last year for £17,000 iirc..

[Jonlem]

A nova let, no matter what spec does not attract buyers who tend to have that sort of money laying about.

A proper specced rally car though is a different kettle of fish, if you rally or race a car then 10k is bugger all,

[SR Kyle]

Bloke down the Road pair 17grand for one

[Sturge]

Well yeah but if I/you had the cash you so would wouldnt you lol

Nope, I'd buy a jig and build my own :p


Or go to West Wales Motorsport Fabrication. They're knocking out some pretty impressive Escort shells these days

[Jonlem]

There are loads of companies that can prep a shell as well as Gartrac, the fact is that they have a name that everyone knows.

Prepped shells with some paint exceed 10k, no problem

[taffnova]

i think your on about mine i spent alot of time and money on this like many of your have or are if dont think some thing worth it than that your opinons this has had no courners cut and complete resto everything been brought and brand new i spent 15k and all labour been free as i done it and i work in motor factors so i get right prices so hate to think what it cost retail wise

[Jonlem]

The thing is mate its what people see it for, and thats a expensive nova to go and do doughnuts in it.

If it had a 500hp let in the back it still wouldn't fetch 10k.

[taffnova]

it wasnt built to be doing doughnuts in mcdonalds car park lol it was built to do rally stages and sprints the only thing it short or is battery cut off switch out side and cable for fire extinguser that because with all pratts round were i live they be pulling at them

[dave beety]

i own jonlem car now :)

[Jonlem]

My old white one ?

[dave beety]

yea got it mate when i got it i had to put it all together it had no windows no wheels but got it on the road now with a xe in her :)

[Jonlem]

Hows it looking these days ? I sold it in 2005 !

[dave beety]

who to ben lee yea its nice little bit of rust on o/f/door but part from that i love it to bit girl friend wont get in it lol

[dave beety]

http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac245/novasrturbo/davescarpics032.jpg here is it now mate wont white bumpers tho

[Jonlem]

No I sold it to Mongo who then sold it to Ben I believe.

Doors needed some tlc when I sold it, good to see its still about.

When you want to sell it PM me

[dave beety]

will add u so ill keep it in mind

[dave beety]

wont to put some grathics on it ive put the pics on style forum mate

[claire6069]

i think the main thing to remember here - on the Performance Nova Group website - is that over the years you've all had nova's and messed about with them i bet most of you have easily spent near 10k on a nova, just because its not been shelled out as a lump sum, you dont notice it!

at the end of the day, if he thinks its worth that then fair do's to him, someone from motorsport or rallying will be willing to pay that kind of money because they'll appreciate the work thats gone into it. there's no point in him sticking it up for the same price as a nova turbo and it going to a home where the person wont fully understand it, will abuse it and not use it to its potential

good luck to him finding the right home for it

[claire6069]

whatever someone is willing to pay


on a good day you may get 8 for it, then again on a bad day you might only get 4

i find your comment quite insulting and quite naive tbh, i dont think you appreciate the work that hes put into this already and its not even finished, there is a standard nova gsi for sale on here that the guys valued at 4k and you put his 4x4 c20let nova in the same category??? something amiss there i think!!

[Ben]

if you iclude the price of all the bits i had before i started then its going to be more like a 22-24k build mate

Not wanting to sound rude or nasty but your mental! There are 4x4 nova turbo's out there that have been built for a fraction of that price even the twin engine'd one cost half that build cost. For a road going Nova thats an insane amount of money to knowingly plowed into it. A lot of cars on ehre have had that spent on the over the years but not to build it to the current spec's.

IMO you would be lucky to get £5-6k for it when built as its not worth a lot.

The cars that fetch the money are properly prepped rally cars etc not a trick built one.

Hats off to you for building it for yourself but if your building it with the intention of buying it driving it round for a year then selling it, your would probably be better off buying an aston for £30k then driving that for a year and selling it on for nigh on the same amount!

[Ben]

i find your comment quite insulting and quite naive tbh, i dont think you appreciate the work that hes put into this already and its not even finished, there is a standard nova gsi for sale on here that the guys valued at 4k and you put his 4x4 c20let nova in the same category??? something amiss there i think!!

Yes a bog standard very low mileage GTE/GSI will always be worth more than a modified one regardless of how well its built etc.

[Edd]

i find your comment quite insulting and quite naive tbh, i dont think you appreciate the work that hes put into this already and its not even finished, there is a standard nova gsi for sale on here that the guys valued at 4k and you put his 4x4 c20let nova in the same category??? something amiss there i think!!

why is that comment insulting and naive ?

its the truth, iv probably spent 10k on my Sport, doesnt mean i will get that if i were to sell it, you dont get back what you have spent on a modified car.

i think you might be the one being a little naive tbh.

[Ben]

why is that comment insulting and naive ?

its the truth, iv probably spent 10k on my Sport, doesnt mean i will get that if i were to sell it, you dont get back what you have spent on a modified car.

i think you might be the one being a little naive tbh.

TBH Edd i would say that your sport would be worth more resold than a 4x4 let nova!

[Keif]

Probbably pay £10k for keif's GSI though, but I'm soft in the head at times :)

PMed. lol

[SRimon]

It's not worth 10k.

Its had some tube welded in the back with a what £750 worth of 1.6 8v engine.

I think you'd be lucky to get 3k. I don't honestly think its worth any more than a FWD nova with the same kit in it.

[claire6069]

Not wanting to sound rude or nasty but your mental! There are 4x4 nova turbo's out there that have been built for a fraction of that price even the twin engine'd one cost half that build cost. For a road going Nova thats an insane amount of money to knowingly plowed into it. A lot of cars on ehre have had that spent on the over the years but not to build it to the current spec's.

IMO you would be lucky to get £5-6k for it when built as its not worth a lot.

The cars that fetch the money are properly prepped rally cars etc not a trick built one.

Hats off to you for building it for yourself but if your building it with the intention of buying it driving it round for a year then selling it, your would probably be better off buying an aston for £30k then driving that for a year and selling it on for nigh on the same amount!

you make them sound like they're ten a penny, im sorry, i never realised they were this common and it was such an easy thing to do, silly me.........


Yes a bog standard very low mileage GTE/GSI will always be worth more than a modified one regardless of how well its built etc.

imo, no, something is only worth what people are willing to pay, i know for a fact that i'd rather put 4k on a nova turbo than a bog standard gsi with a set of speedlines on it.........


why is that comment insulting and naive ?

its the truth, iv probably spent 10k on my Sport, doesnt mean i will get that if i were to sell it, you dont get back what you have spent on a modified car.

you might be the one being a little naive tbh.

i know perfectly well that you dont get back what you have spent on a car, dont patronise me just because im female, im not an idiot.
my point is that no one sees all the work thats gone into it, all you see is the pretty pictures that you all comment on! you dont see him knackered till 2am, covered in cuts and scars, barely seeing anyone unless they go down there to see him etc etc, cars depreciate in value, everyone knows that, to my mum, his nova isnt even worth 200 quid because she doesnt understand it, to people that understand it, its worth alot of money because they appreciate it! how much money do you think the rally boys spend on their cars and when they sell them how much they sell them for?? Colin Smiths 1.0l stock is a prime example, he paid alot of money for that and imo, was worth every penny!


TBH Edd i would say that your sport would be worth more resold than a 4x4 let nova!

and why is that?! im guessing because they're rare, well looked after and maintained to a high standard - how is this any different to his 4x4 nova exactly??

[Edd]

I'm well aware that you are a female, and I would have replied the same if you were male tbh.

Ste may well be working on the 4x4 for manys hours, but again this has nothing to do with resale value.


TBH Edd i would say that your sport would be worth more resold than a 4x4 let nova!

and why is that?! im guessing because they're rare, well looked after and maintained to a high standard - how is this any different to his 4x4 nova exactly??

They are rare yes, and with any genuine O.E. car the price rises, and are more sort after.

Without at all trying to blow my own truppet or sound big headed, my Sport is a brand new shell, acid dipped, e coated, very high standard paint job with all new genuine panels fitted. With every other part brand new. Check build thread in sig.

I would never ever sell it but i would have to agree with Ben i would be worth more than a 4x4 nova.

[bainyboy sr]

It's not worth 10k.

Its had some tube welded in the back with a what £750 worth of 1.6 8v engine.

I think you'd be lucky to get 3k. I don't honestly think its worth any more than a FWD nova with the same kit in it.

agree with that 100% mate

[claire6069]

I'm well aware that you are a female, and I would have replied the same if you were male tbh.

Ste may well be working on the 4x4 for manys hours, but again this has nothing to do with resale value.




They are rare yes, and with any genuine O.E. car the price rises, and are more sort after.

Without at all trying to blow my own truppet or sound big headed, my Sport is a brand new shell, acid dipped, e coated, very high standard paint job with all new genuine panels fitted. With every other part brand new. Check build thread in sig.

I would never ever sell it but i would have to agree with Ben i would be worth more than a 4x4 nova.

i havent looked at the build thread tbh but will do, i didnt realise that you had gone to all that extent with it and agreed in that context, it will always be worth more than any modified car because its considered a classic!

agreed, man hours doesnt or shouldnt have an effect on resale value but i think with anything like that it will have an effect on it to some degree!

i dont want to fall out so lets just agree to disagree and we have different opinions lol :thumb: and i apologise for getting hot headed about the female thing, i get fed up of guys talkin to me like im stupid about cars and tend to think all guys think the same of us females so get abit defensive lol

[philip]

it was built to do rally stages and sprints the only thing it short or is battery cut off switch out side and cable for fire extinguser that because with all pratts round were i live they be pulling at them__________________


has it been built to fia specs though? as im sure it was all changing a couple of years back so if its not up to date with the regs then its not worth that much.

im building a space framed corsa mid engined, not how yours or chips are with a subframe and ive got an all steel tbd xe to to in it..owes me 6k just for the engine, by the time its built it may owe 13-14k and be a very tidy/clean car BUT just because its mid engined doesnt mean its worth loads, imho id be lucky to get 3-4k with it finished and thats me being realistic, if it sells then good look, but i dont see where 15k has been spent as daveylc did most of the hard work beofre he got rid of it and an engine that spec would only be 2k or so tops really.

but good luck with the sale, but it is abit high for whats in it

[Cle]

yawn if he want to advertise it for 10k then its his choice, tbh someone will pay that for it.

[bainyboy sr]

yawn if he want to advertise it for 10k then its his choice, tbh someone will pay that for it.

i very much doubt that

[Mieran]

Average LET Novas get sold for 4-5k all the time and now people saying when Ste's is finished its only worth 5k? :wtf:

[philip]

i may of missed them but ive never seen novas going for 4-5k with lets in, 99.9% of the time there up for that much and end up getting stripped as 75% of people wont spend the money

[16v Nova Kev]

my mates one just sold for 3500 and was a beast

[david dixon]

cars are worth what people will pay! end of.

David.

[Mieran]

I remember seeing a white one going for 5.3k

[Ben]

What people want for them and what they sale for are 2 completely different things!

A 4x4 Nova is never going to be everyones cup of tea, they are proven to be quite heavy and dont work that well. They are howvere a great advert for good fabrication and workmanship, if you are building a as a show piece to advertise what you can do then they are a great way to go, but to build a competitive performer they are not! And thus will not demand a great resale value, Colin struggled to sale his YB powered 4x4 nova and imo the engine in that is far more sought after than a let!.

And yes the reason i would value Edd's Sport so much more than anything modified is that Rich went so far with the preperation of the restoration the brand new shell that he managed to get to start it with.

[Ben]

And on another note, a FWD Nova turbo without being hacked to death and having 1/2 a ton of steel welded in it IMO is worth more.

I would happily pay more for Gary's (disco's) nova than any 4x4 one as its far more practical and useable. (and thats saying something that its practicle lol)

[bainyboy sr]

so there we go its decided in 2010 no nova is worth 10K , we shall start this topic back up in 10 years time and see what there worth then

[Jack]

£18k Nova! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1968-pro-street-chevy-nova-ss-/120643581596?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1c16eaf69c)

[bainyboy sr]

£18k Nova! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1968-pro-street-chevy-nova-ss-/120643581596?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1c16eaf69c)

very funny :wtf:

[Mike]

£18k Nova! (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1968-pro-street-chevy-nova-ss-/120643581596?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1c16eaf69c)

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[taffnova]

at end of day there your own opinions and i know what hours and money been spent on this i havent gone round putting second hand bits on cut any corners i but my best into this as in money and hours and i do agree only ever worth what some one willing to pay every one who done there own projects who got sweeted blood and tears into them know what it like i know davey lc done fabrication work but i was the one with a wire brush with drill taking back to bear metal not just got it sand blasted buy some one else which to be honest i dont blame them like say your all entitle to own opinons if dont like the price some one got on there cars you aint gotta buy it i not bothered if dont sells so i wont be putting it up £50 or breaking it up for spares it will keep nicley in my garage even in ten years

[bainyboy sr]

why are you selling up after you have only got it finished ??

[claire6069]

What people want for them and what they sale for are 2 completely different things!

A 4x4 Nova is never going to be everyones cup of tea, they are proven to be quite heavy and dont work that well. They are howvere a great advert for good fabrication and workmanship, if you are building a as a show piece to advertise what you can do then they are a great way to go, but to build a competitive performer they are not! And thus will not demand a great resale value, Colin struggled to sale his YB powered 4x4 nova and imo the engine in that is far more sought after than a let!.

And yes the reason i would value Edd's Sport so much more than anything modified is that Rich went so far with the preperation of the restoration the brand new shell that he managed to get to start it with.

that heavy that he can pick it up with one hand..................

[claire6069]

at end of day there your own opinions and i know what hours and money been spent on this i havent gone round putting second hand bits on cut any corners i but my best into this as in money and hours and i do agree only ever worth what some one willing to pay every one who done there own projects who got sweeted blood and tears into them know what it like i know davey lc done fabrication work but i was the one with a wire brush with drill taking back to bear metal not just got it sand blasted buy some one else which to be honest i dont blame them like say your all entitle to own opinons if dont like the price some one got on there cars you aint gotta buy it i not bothered if dont sells so i wont be putting it up £50 or breaking it up for spares it will keep nicley in my garage even in ten years

i feel bad for you having people slate you and your car, i know none of these would like it if it was them in your shoes, i would hazard a guess that alot of it is jealousy because they dont have the resources, knowledge, money, time and materials to do something like this! there is always guna be haters with anything anyone does, just remember that its you that built it and people will always remember the car thats had something like this done to it!

[bainyboy sr]

i feel bad for you having people slate you and your car, i know none of these would like it if it was them in your shoes, i would hazard a guess that alot of it is jealousy because they dont have the resources, knowledge, money, time and materials to do something like this! there is always guna be haters with anything anyone does, just remember that its you that built it and people will always remember the car thats had something like this done to it!

excuse me but no one is slating the car itself just the price

[claire6069]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SRimon
It's not worth 10k.

Its had some tube welded in the back with a what £750 worth of 1.6 8v engine.

I think you'd be lucky to get 3k. I don't honestly think its worth any more than a FWD nova with the same kit in it.


agree with that 100% mate

/\ your comment i believe?!

i think the 'all its had is some tube welded in the back' is slating the owner and the car is it not?!

[bainyboy sr]

i agree the car is not worth that , thats all im saying and asking how people can justify selling a car like that for 10k and we have established that no one would pay that so sssssssssh!!!!

[claire6069]

no, you have established that no one on here would pay that, not no one in the world so i suggest that you shhhhh :)

i feel that maybe you should go and attempt something like this and then we'll see how much you value it at when its finally finished.........

[bainyboy sr]

no, you have established that no one on here would pay that, not no one in the world so i suggest that you shhhhh :)

i feel that maybe you should go and attempt something like this and then we'll see how much you value it at when its finally finished.........

i have , i have a mk2 astra gte rebuilt from the ground up new sills floor quater panels wings , bare shell rebuild and i wouldnt ask for 10 k for that , and ive built my track nova lucky if its worth 2k so ......

[Ben]

that heavy that he can pick it up with one hand..................

Complete with engine, f28, prop, rear shafts and diff etc all fitted? In that case spend £50k on it then as sure he could walk through walls of the nearest bank vault!

[Spudly]

I dont usually comment on threads like this but meh, ive seen this car and i think the work looks pretty damned good, (spoke to the guy at PVS this year) glad it got finished and not shelved/scrapped, like most others, but i personally wouldnt pay 10k for it, but id hazard a guess at the manhours alone in it being worth that, and if you were to approach the owner with a resonable offer then you might well walk away with the keys, but at least you know some charver aint gonna be 'drifting y0' at your local krooze in a weeks time with it.

(to the owner) mate unfortunately everyone wants something for nothing these days but if thats how much you want for it, then hold out for it and someone will eventually give you your figure for it, if not you will have more time to enjoy it:thumb:

[claire6069]

i have , i have a mk2 astra gte rebuilt from the ground up new sills floor quater panels wings , bare shell rebuild and i wouldnt ask for 10 k for that , and ive built my track nova lucky if its worth 2k so ......

have just looked through your build thread and commented on it, proper love your astra, that i would be willing to pay silly money for, i want it lol have to say im impressed with your painting skills too :thumb:


Complete with engine, f28, prop, rear shafts and diff etc all fitted? In that case spend £50k on it then as sure he could walk through walls of the nearest bank vault!

hahahahaha oh sarcasm at its finest!! all its missing from the list above is the engine and gearbox, obviously there is bonnet, seats etc etc to consider and i know he gets annoyed with people saying its going to be heavy etc etc so i guess we'll just have to wait for him to finish it and then we'll go and stick it on a weighbridge and see :)

[Ben]

Obviously Claire, to you its worth the £20k+ investment plus Ste's time, and that is great but i would personally invest that money and time in property and hope to see a decent profit from it and not a definate loss.

[taffnova]

only reason selling this cause one i want to see it used properly and two want a different car i more than happy to keep it just fact cant get two cars in garage and it changed a little since pv

[taffnova]

if you were to approach the owner with a resonable offer then you might well walk away with the keys

im open to offers but if it stupid ill keep it dont cost any thing in garage

[Spudly]

im open to offers but if it stupid ill keep it dont cost any thing in garage



Aye man, like i said if and reasonable :p




I personally say keep it in your garage if you can afford to, and just enjoy it:thumb:

[ste porter]

this thread has gone a little mad and i feel im a little in the spotlight so i would like to clear a few things up

1. for any body that hasnt seen my build thread theres 70+ pages to look through and the shell still isnt painted if you want an idea of a time scale of labour surgest you glance through every page in the thread to get a full picture of whats going on

2. i have never said im going to make a profit on the 4x4 and to be fair i have never even said i will break even all i said was
'whats it worth then ' and gave an estimated figure of full price when completed

3. some of the points raised about the 4x4 that im putting to gether and i feel that the people making these points proberly havent bothered to look through the thread.
This is not a nova with the rear floor hacked out and the rear floor of a calibra bodged in!
the whole floor plan has been completly reworked and fabricated along the lines of that similar to a kit car with the inspiration mainly beeing taken from the locost. As claire already pointed out and if those that slate it had bothered to read the thread would have seen the video i posted half way through and would have read the numerous posts on the weight issue and that wouldnt have been raised here

My 4x4 isnt beeing built to make money nor is it being built as a rally car track car show car or shoping car! its beeing built because i want to have a go at it and build it the way i want how i want and in the vision of how i would like a fast car to be built!
Im not interested in all the lads that are giving it all the motorsport mumbo jumbo about how its got to be this it isnt that you wont sell it for this its only worth that! Please guys give it a rest! this car is a demonstration of what i can do when i put my mind to it and to the best of my knowledge has never been done this way before and road legal! if im wrong prove me wrong!

This thread has been doomed right from the original post and to be fair if it had come up before a major show it would make me ashamed to let people know i was a part of png as a club!

The fact that people have taken it apon them selfs to deliberatly tear chunks out of this lad over his car and some comments are abit personal in my opinion.its all out of order in my opinion. What does it say about and portray the club?

coments on the car and basic opinions fair enough but its gone abit to far to be honest.

i agree with some comments aswell but i wouldnt voice them as its rude disrespectful and arogant.

i do agree i feel that 10k for it is tomuch and it is going to struggle to sell but i fully understand why its up for 10k and if he can get it good luck i hope he does but i think the hole point of it beeing up for that isnt that he needs to sell it for that its because thats what its worth to him and i hope he gets it but i think he knows already that hes going to struggle so why has it taken 12 pages of comments from people who dont know him to drum it in his head and shoot him down

im realy surprised admin have let this thread get this far to be honest just makes me feel png is slipping! and not for the good either whats going on?

shoot me down have a pop at me for the comments above it will just underline and confirm what i have said.



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[Ben]

this car is a demonstration of what i can do when i put my mind to it and to the best of my knowledge has never been done this way before and road legal! if im wrong prove me wrong!

There are a couple on here that are road legal and in similar guise, obviously C7 LJN's was of a different ilk to yours so not comparing that one, the other one i can think off of the top of my head is the German iirc guys and there is one not online that i have seen and have heard of a couple of others.

Just like to point out that i was not personally digging at you but Claire took it that way and started making ridiculos reasoning and made it look like it was a personal attack it wasnt, its your money and you can do whatever you like with it. For the reason your building it i take my hat off to you and good luck. I would have neither the time or patience to even try it.

[Ben]

Also just to say no i havent read your build thread as not being rude im not intrested in that type of car/build but the running gear alone is a serious weight addition to a small hatchback.

[ste porter]

Also just to say no i havent read your build thread as not being rude im not intrested in that type of car/build but the running gear alone is a serious weight addition to a small hatchback.

i know what your saying about weight addition but again this is why i said about the thread as this has been covered
its more evenly spread throughout the car which is a big advantage on its own and the shell without the running gear is easily 100kg lighter than what a standard nova shell is but with the aditions of the extra running gear i exspect it to be about 150kg heavier than a similar striped track car but the point is the extra weight is distributed more evenly across the car
one of the biggest problems i had with it before when it was 300bhp striped nova was how heavy the front was in comparison to the rear with regards to hard breaking and cornering
this will be a whole new kettle of fish with more weight over the rear and power beeing delivered from the rear aswell will also address the massive traction issues aswell as the 2 step launch and traction controll which again if the thread had been read before commenting would have been known about
so yeah mine will be slightly heavier but i feel that all the other advantages far in out weigh the losses due to weight

i wasnt having a pop at any one specific in my last post but more trying to express that i honestly cant belive that the thread has been left to get to this point and i feel its out of order. its not the first thread like it lately either and it getting more common and it doesnt look good on png as a club

im proud to be a big part of png especialy at shows but as of late im not liking the way its heading

eveyone is welcome to an opinion god only knows i have strong opinions myself but i realy do feel that sometimes they realy dont need voicing and should be kept to ourselfs

with regards to claire aswell shes my other half what more can i say.
she spends more time on here than i do as of late and shes very strong minded and obviously felt my corner wasnt beeing spoken thing is she takes offence to threads like this and takes it on a personal level simply because of what i do and my dedication to my work is far above a normal level so she sees and understands the sort of dedication that goes into these sort of builds and worse still has to live with me when im involved in them.
this tends to result in her taking alot of offence to narrow minded comments on the subject.
Again alot of it is because shes strong minded and speaks her mind typical ginger trait im afraid mate but you get used to it lol

like i say im not having a pop at specific people just feel that every one else has spoke there mind i felt it was only fair i do the same and with regards to claire like i say she just takes things personaly thats the way she is you get used to it

[bainyboy sr]

ste i agree this thread has gone a bit extreme the only thing i was trying to see if people would pay 10k for a nova, not for people to attack you , as your build to me is a diffrent type of build/nova and when complete will be a weapon ,

[faker]

3 or 4 years ago a pal of mine sold his ex - metcalf GSI nova rally car for £12k. he enquired about getting it back, the price now is £15k.

[bainyboy sr]

rally car is a diffrent ball game

[Dayle_]

Agree'd with a rally car being a different kettle of fish. And make excellent rally cars still today. You will often see a proper prepped one fetch 14k with a decent spec box, 1400/1600 bowyer engine and proflex.

Ive been rallying for year's now and you wouldn't get a Log book to rally that white nova any more as the blue book changed a year or so ago and will see many of these SPECIALS cast aside unless it is already log booked and then its 2014 or something like that. They are even tightening the rules on engine swaps too.

As for mk2 escorts someone in our motorclub is building one and currently stands him at a stupid amount of money N/A diamond millington engine and tractive sequential box together must be worth 40k.

[philip]

millington is £27,500 alone haha

[Jonlem]

350hp 2.5 litre Millington powered Escort, runs a Sadev box

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aivJJ5nICpo

The guy who did some work on my shell is one of the guys who helps run it.... lucky bas**rd