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Who on here knows about the Red MK2 GTE with the Saab engine? Looking to put one in my estate and looking for some more info! Muchos!:thumb:
snap! lol I posted a thread a few weeks back. it was a friend of pauls.
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156525
snap! lol I posted a thread a few weeks back. it was a friend of pauls.
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156525
boo you sir . . seems the way forward though :cool:
boo you sir . . seems the way forward though :cool:
Agreed, cheaper than a let.
essentially the same engine is it not?
essentially the same engine is it not?
the high pressure B204L engine is 185bhp with 201lbft torque and a whole car running with tax and mot for £300 -£700 is better than buying a battered old LET off the floor for 1k sounds better too me lol
and lasted about a week and blew up, the engine is over rated and a waste of time imo, the proof is in the pudding, power is no where near what people say, just pub bhp talk.
essentially the same engine is it not?
no. totally different.
get the 2.3 for 225bhp
true, but the 2.3 likes to throw rods and doesnt rev aswell as a 2.0 ;)
and lasted about a week and blew up, the engine is over rated and a waste of time imo, the proof is in the pudding, power is no where near what people say, just pub bhp talk.
yet the Swedes and any decent Saab tuner sees 350bhp with a remap and a few other tweaks? There are 500bhp ones around on stock internals. Overated? Like a let? Having been in a 423bhp (confirmed) 2.0 9000 I can safely say it’s a frigging animal. End of.
no. totally different.
true, but the 2.3 likes to throw rods and doesnt rev aswell as a 2.0 ;)
yet the Swedes and any decent Saab tuner sees 350bhp with a remap and a few other tweaks? There are 500bhp ones around on stock internals. Overated? Like a let? Having been in a 423bhp (confirmed) 2.0 9000 I can safely say it’s a frigging animal. End of.show me a decent uk built one then, or one running?
As soon as you cross the water to Scandanavia, you instantly gain 100bhp.
As soon as you cross the water to Scandanavia, you instantly gain 100bhp.in england, you go down the pub to get that much extralol
maris, go on uksaabs and look at some of their projects. my mates 9000 runs a volvo c70 19t turbo, a itg conefilter, 3 inch decat exhaust and some slightly bigger injectors and a stage x map (t5suite self tailored map) he's had it rr'd at 3 rr's at 420 ish bhp (4bhp either way) and its used daily and has 120k on the clock. show me a let that does asda trips and trips to the tip and the school run thats pushing 420bhp. there are plenty about with big bhp. i think your bad experience is clouding your judgement a little.
paul, everyone knows any let in the uk mags has a +200bhp stage wheel bud ;)
they had these really good saabs at combe, every xe nova went passed! so again, whats the point??
:facepalm:
how much does a stripped nova weigh? and how much does a saab weigh? power to weigh my man. ;) also a nova will out handle a big barge like a saab any day of the week.
having been in my mates as it span up in 5th on boost, if it was in a smaller car i'd bet on it being lethal. and its power delivery is far more linear than most of the lets ive been in and driven.
now put that saab motor in a corsa or a nova and set it up properly, and you'd have a car that handled and was controllable and was reliable.
im still waiting to see these cars!!!, i could of towed a caravan behind me and still gone faster than the saab!! show me these rapid cars!!
here, not all in a saab either.
http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=45804 (http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=45804)
http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=62646 (http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=62646)
http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=43544 (http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=43544)
last one has a hell of alot of tech info in it.
i looked for fastest uk saab, saw none, but found this and the open title says it alllol ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT_ljDbggBg
here, not all in a saab either.
http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=45804 (http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=45804)
http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=62646 (http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=62646)
http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=43544 (http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=43544)
last one has a hell of alot of tech info in it.last clip, is that the best or fastest?....
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c125/woodenspatulas/5fe17f75.jpg
lol
no uidea, i do know its in tv soon.
also look at chips nova. 500bhp saab lump after blowing his let apart. he now says the let is too fragile.
also look at chips nova. 500bhp saab lump after blowing his let apart. he now says the let is too fragile.is it on road?
track use. and iirc yes its mapped and running. there are big bhop saabs around. best bet is post on uksaabs and ask for some wips or vids of big bhp ones
bainyboy sr
01-11-10, 01:42 PM
load of hassell youl spend more time tryna fit one , the red mk2 gte had the chassis leg all cut i wouldnt like to be doing that
load of hassell youl spend more time tryna fit one , the red mk2 gte had the chassis leg all cut i wouldnt like to be doing that
Its not exactly hard though chopping out a chassis leg & reworking it :confused:
its a welded leg, the rest is pretty much the saem as any let or xe. dont know why mike hasnt got one.....
TBH it's better if people keep this misguided opinion of the Saab motors being poor. It keeps them cheap!
Sort oflike the Volvo turbos (although the red block is highly regarded) I don't get why people complain. There's barely a turbo motor left that can be had in a running donor for peanuts.
As said, why pay a grand for a smokey old LET sitting on a pallet. lol
/\ amen, as for ovlov motors, yhpm
dont know why mike hasnt got one.....
No thanks lol
bainyboy sr
01-11-10, 02:36 PM
TBH it's better if people keep this misguided opinion of the Saab motors being poor. It keeps them cheap!
Sort oflike the Volvo turbos (although the red block is highly regarded) I don't get why people complain. There's barely a turbo motor left that can be had in a running donor for peanuts.
As said, why pay a grand for a smokey old LET sitting on a pallet. lol
i paid 600 for my let, i bought a full calibra turbo sold everything off it and got more than my money back so there are bargains out there just have to look
I don't doubt it mate. I'm the same as you. I always look and get stuff cheap. Jut gotta know where/when and use patience and common sense!
On the most part though, LET's are still commanding more money than they should be IMO.
i daren't say a bad word against LET engines or the migweb hitsquad will be able to locate my signal & pounce.......................so i won't say a thing about 1970's engines stretched to beyond their reliable capability.....
/\ if thats aimed at our swedish cousins, then it had a new block design in 88 and 93 mate, not technically a 70s design, same goes for the head. :)
and yes one will fit in a dolly
i know about the dolly engine.... it was called project ScArAB when designed...joint venture at ricardos....
no, i'm on about the j series 1.6 engine, that became the LET
bainyboy sr
01-11-10, 03:05 PM
/\ if thats aimed at our swedish cousins, then it had a new block design in 88 and 93 mate, not technically a 70s design, same goes for the head. :)
and yes one will fit in a dolly
some ones good on google lol
no, someone knows his stuff and reads 5 or so books a week.
i know about the dolly engine.... it was called project ScArAB when designed...joint venture at ricardos....
no, i'm on about the j series 1.6 engine, that became the LET
ah yes, that pos.... lol
strange its still going as the zleh now eh?
the ecotec was better designed.........but say it quietly........
some ones good on google lol
no, someone knows his stuff and reads 5 or so books a week.
http://www.ghostofaflea.com/archives/ItsOnNowChapsL.jpg
the ecotec was better designed.........but say it quietly........ yip the block is stronger and can be strengthend. plus the head was designed for torque, which as we all know is what turns the wheels. bhp is for pub facts.
http://www.ghostofaflea.com/archives/ItsOnNowChapsL.jpg
its on like donkey kong biaaattttcccchhhh!
saab = crap! rather have a smokey old let with a blown headgasket, a blown up turbo and 2000000000000000 miles any day, still cant see a good saab powered english one !! please show me:confused:
no, someone knows his stuff and reads 5 or so books a week.
http://www.themomsalon.com/uploaded_images/hc1-739634.JPG
lol
i thought the 2.0 had the same engine mounts as the XE and LET.
saab = crap! rather have a smokey old let with a blown headgasket, a blown up turbo and 2000000000000000 miles any day, still cant see a good saab powered english one !! please show me:confused:
ffs, ppc mag this month has he ppc 999 challenge in it. one guy bought a 150 saab 9000, fitted a bigger turbo and ic and remap, which cost 200 quid and did a 13.3 sec qtr. in a 1.5 tonnne car. that says it all.
bubba, no the mounts on the shell are the same, the block is different.
ffs, ppc mag this month has he ppc 999 challenge in it. one guy bought a 150 saab 9000, fitted a bigger turbo and ic and remap, which cost 200 quid and did a 13.3 sec qtr. in a 1.5 tonnne car. that says it all.
bubba, no the mounts on the shell are the same, the block is different.
but it does bolt straight in? as as does the v6 into a cav
it bolts to an f20 style box if the engine is post 1993. then just fab one mount.
ffs, ppc mag this month has he ppc 999 challenge in it. one guy bought a 150 saab 9000, fitted a bigger turbo and ic and remap, which cost 200 quid and did a 13.3 sec qtr. in a 1.5 tonnne car. that says it all.
bubba, no the mounts on the shell are the same, the block is different.so?? where is these big bhp saabs you waffle on about then?:confused:
For Gods Sake Look On Uksaabs....
bainyboy sr
01-11-10, 06:12 PM
lol this is hilarious how nobbyz nova was asking for info on the red astra that had it fitted and its turned into a bitching session lol
For Gods Sake Look On Uksaabs....i did:tumble:
ben doodar
01-11-10, 06:36 PM
I posted before a couple of pictures of my mates Saab engined mk3 astra, goes very well and seems to be a very capable engine, he's looked into the engines quite alot, and knows quite abit about them. They will become very popular in the next couple of years as people start to get there heads around them IMO.
bainyboy sr
01-11-10, 06:45 PM
ive seen a few done and have thought about doing it my self but i got my let cheap enough so thats why im that route its paid for its self
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm0xBEWVVfQ
watch the guages...
IMO as rob said the 2.0 saab engines are a revvier engine than the 2.3 and are the stronger motor. I did a bit of reading on mk3aoc as theres alot on there stick them into astras and there an intresting piece of kit considering the cost of them compared to a let motor the problem comes with trying to fit them to novas/corsas etc as there a wide lump iirc.
oh and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w24YkiV1IN4&feature=related
andy_mk3
01-11-10, 08:00 PM
2.0 Saab Turbo in a mk3. Running a custom map and complete exhaust system, otherwise standard engine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNPJupOEWts
Isn't there a good one on mk3oc? and a vec b with one running?
andy_mk3
01-11-10, 08:05 PM
Isn't there a good one on mk3oc? and a vec b with one running?
http://www.mk3oc.com/forum/showthread.php?41426-Nige-s-Reiger-Astra-with-Saab-Power&highlight=nige+saab
Video of it in the post above :thumb:
oh and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w24YkiV1IN4&feature=related 500bhp:wtf: , pub bhp again ,you can make a renault 5 go that fast by taking the pipe of the actuator, the other car , am i being an idiot, or dose it not even have a gearbox on it?
jon i linked the vec on the last page, uksaabs link mate.
maris the astra is 270bhp.
500bhp:wtf: , pub bhp again ,you can make a renault 5 go that fast by taking the pipe of the actuator, the other car , am i being an idiot, or dose it not even have a gearbox on it?
maris the first one maxes the injectors out, its running ms, the boost guage is showing 2.3bar of boost. id like to see a reno 5 gtt run 2.3 bar....:wtf:
the second is an all out drag car, the gearbox is under the engine in the sump so it has a gearing on the front. they run an exposed flywheel.
cant argue with the last vid andy posted. ill bet that remap and other mods and engine cost less than a set of let pistons.
andy_mk3
01-11-10, 08:12 PM
, am i being an idiot, or dose it not even have a gearbox on it?
Under the engine I believe on them
maris the first one maxes the injectors out, its running ms, the boost guage is showing 2.3bar of boost. id like to see a reno 5 gtt run 2.3 bar....:wtf:
the second is an all out drag car, the gearbox is under the engine in the sump so it has a gearing on the front. they run an exposed flywheel.
cant argue with the last vid andy posted. ill bet that remap and other mods and engine cost less than a set of let pistons.sorry , but looks boring to me, and after being in one and seeing it, its just not worth it, just pub bhp, save your money and get a let, or decent xe.
sorry , but looks boring to me, and after being in one and seeing it, its just not worth it, just pub bhp, save your money and get a let, or decent xe.
maris, at risk or repeating what others have said quite a few times, lets are big money. Saab turbo power isn't if you're handy with the welder.
maris, at risk or repeating what others have said quite a few times, lets are big money. Saab turbo power isn't if you're handy with the welder.i agree, but its not worth it, ive asked for proof that its worth doing as my mate has, and there isnt any, just pub bhp, and a lot of effort for nothing!!!!!
andy_mk3
01-11-10, 08:46 PM
pub bhp lol
i agree, but its not worth it, ive asked for proof that its worth doing as my mate has, and there isnt any, just pub bhp, and a lot of effort for nothing!!!!!
So 280bhp on a r/r in above video is still "pub talk" is it? Effort is free, £1000 let isn't.
I see the attraction to a Saab engine over a LET. Money wise.
However unless we didnt fit the Saab engine in the Astra the easiest way which I dont know? I will NEVER fit in a Nova or Corsa.
I say NEVER within reason, the amount of work would be ridiculous, youd end up space framing the front end.
If youve got the skills, time and materials to do that, Id guess you wouldnt be bothered about spending a grand on a LET.
Good point paul. i was looking to put one in an astra, and nobby also in an astra.
andy_mk3
01-11-10, 09:04 PM
It's a tight fit in an astra so corsa/nova would require a silly amount of work I'd imagine.
They are good for 500bhp on standard internals. And 270bhp from a remap and exhaust is very good. I think that's limited by the turbo, so could get much more from a bigger turbo. It's going to be half the price of a LET running the same power.
I fail to beleive the standard 100k+ internals will cope with 500bhp.
But the turbos on them limit them to about the 270 mark that is right.
If you are going for 500bhp I bet a LET and Saab would both cost you upwards of 8k.
andy_mk3
01-11-10, 09:16 PM
I don't know nothing about them really. Nor do I have the experience to say what the standard internals can do :P
Personally for me, If I wanted a 2.0 turbo I would go down the Saab route for an astra. It's nothing like as common, and for a standard engine it's easy to find a low miler for £500 as a complete car.
well this thread has took off lol ............. anyway back to my point im now thinking of putting one in a mk3 astra sport im watching on egay as i have a little welder but dont have the tools really to be happy with that kind of fabrication so of i can master one in a mk3 maybe ill do a mk2 next year lol and as for Alex Marris saying saab engines are **** ive just put a xe into my astra and its boring as **** been there done that and i want turbo power but dont want to put out £1k for a C2OLET off the floor and i could as most people these days fit a xe/let in there sleep so i want a challenge and without doubt these engines will eb the next big thing on the Vaux scene when all the LET's are dead! :D
at pv this year there was a silver corsa sport running a 2.0 saab turbo. it had the os chassis leg cut and boxed in by 1.5 inches. speaking to the owner, he said he had a let and it went bang so he did it over 3 days. he paid 300 for a full saab, and selling the useable let bits won him £600 on ebay, and the rest of the 900 parts £500. so he made on it. he was running stage 2 so around 230bhp.
at pv this year there was a silver corsa sport running a 2.0 saab turbo. it had the os chassis leg cut and boxed in by 1.5 inches. speaking to the owner, he said he had a let and it went bang so he did it over 3 days. he paid 300 for a full saab, and selling the useable let bits won him £600 on ebay, and the rest of the 900 parts £500. so he made on it. he was running stage 2 so around 230bhp.
That was a very quick Corsa TBH, was only a young lad IIRC aswell?? Looked about 12 or something lol
indeed, he was 20 or so. he said it was a smoother delivery of power so more controllable. if i won the lottery.....
Still not for me though Im afraid. Looking for a little something out the ordinary really.
Had a look at a 4G63 block this morning an got me thinking a little...
mike, celica gt4 motor and box? or use an mr2 turbo box for 2wd....
speak to burgo, he had his mates running on megasquirt.... :)
JordyzNova
02-11-10, 01:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzMfaNclk1o&feature=related
just looking at this video why are his gears that way 2secs in show on peice of paper on dash ?
is it the vid of him mapping it?
speak to burgo, he had his mates running on megasquirt.... :)
Still not interested TBH lol
ffs, ppc mag this month has he ppc 999 challenge in it. one guy bought a 150 saab 9000, fitted a bigger turbo and ic and remap, which cost 200 quid and did a 13.3 sec qtr. in a 1.5 tonnne car. that says it all.
bubba, no the mounts on the shell are the same, the block is different.
why go through the hassle of putting that engine in an astra then? just keep it in saab and lose as much weight as possible
cos an ashtray is smaller and is actually pleasing as a gsi to look at.
bainyboy sr
02-11-10, 04:49 PM
cos an ashtray is smaller and is actually pleasing as a gsi to look at.
lol take it you look at it with some TP in one hand and something else in the other hand ha ha
To much electrics.
do you really hate sparkies that much...???? stick a 1.7td isuzu lump in it then
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