Best engine of these 4..

[gc_vaux]

1.2 Carbed
1.2 Injected
1.0 or
1.3 SR

Who's got good or bad reviews on any ? quick for what they are, reliable/unreliable, tuneability etc..

These are the only Novas i can insure under £1800
SR being cheaper than the 1.2's and 1.0 a bit cheaper than the SR.
I will pay the extra difference for a quicker car..
What would you go for ?

[comptoncj]

1300 sr engine all the way IMO had one as my first car drove a 1.2 carbed which wasnt too bad and then a 1.2i which was awful, reliablility wise all the ohc engines wont give you too much trouble if you are kind to them with servicing.

[gc_vaux]

1300 sr engine all the way IMO had one as my first car drove a 1.2 carbed which wasnt too bad and then a 1.2i which was awful, reliablility wise all the ohc engines wont give you too much trouble if you are kind to them with servicing.

I thought it'd be the SR, quicker too ?
anyone else ?

[craig green]

1300SR if you want entertainment.

1200SPi's take being ragged all day & dont drink any fuel either, but the 1200 option is probably the least entertaining of the 4 tbh.

[paul james]

Well if the 1.3 is cheaper than 1.2, your decision is made!
The 1.2i will be a bit more reliable I suppose being that its injection, but their 10bhp down on the carb 1.2, and theres no real tuning potential. With a 1.3 you can slap on a pair of twin40s and a better spec cam when funds permit, and you'll have a smile on your face every time you go out for a drive.

Check if its actually an SR thats cheaper to insure, rather than the 1.3 engine put in another nova.

[Nova_Tek]

1.3 carb first choice, 1.2 carb second, 1.2i third and 1.0 last.

[Novasport]

1.3 all the way although the carbed 1.2 is a nice revvy little engine

[MK999]

1.3 you're unlikely to find for a decent price as autograssers etc have them, generally GTE/GSi engines go cheaper. Is this insurance for an engine swap, or the full car? As a decent SR will cost you plenty more too.

[gc_vaux]

1.3 you're unlikely to find for a decent price as autograssers etc have them, generally GTE/GSi engines go cheaper. Is this insurance for an engine swap, or the full car? As a decent SR will cost you plenty more too.

Insurance on full car. noticed that there a bit more pricey too, theres a few cheaper ones about that look clean, but probably sheds. Budgetin £1500 - £1700, unless theres a genuine tidy one cheap, then il put the difference into it

[Mike]

1300 motor, just hard to find now.

[mowgli]

no brainer.
1300 70 odd hp
1200 50 odd hp,
1.2i & 1.0 40 odd hp

[gc_vaux]

no brainer.
1300 70 odd hp
1200 50 odd hp,
1.2i & 1.0 40 odd hp
Not really a no brainer.. i didnt just ask about power/performance

[mowgli]

the extra grunt from a std 1300 will easily out do any of the others, the carb engine is obviously going to be more reliable than the efi simply because there are less things to go wrong, and the 1300 is basically a bigger version of the 1.2...

it is a way better car in terms of trim, but finding one will be difficult.

1.0 is only worth scrap... and most 1200 carbs will have been revved to death, cos they can.

so the 1300 is 20 hp ahead before tuning comes into the equation, and obviously the 1300 will cope with big valve head, & cam way better...

the carb ohc engines will run for ever & are easy to fix

so it really is a no brainer

[Stuart]

the carb engine is obviously going to be more reliable than the efi simply because there are less things to go wrong

bolllllllicks.

just because there is 'less' to go wrong, dosent mean it is more reliable..

Carbs are more sensitive/irritating than EFI by a long shot

[mowgli]

bollards.. 2 screws, & no electronics to get wet.....

[Stuart]

agree to dissagree, but imho carbs are more of a pain in the ass than efi... hence why modern stuff is efi ;)


of the engie choices here, I'd say the 1.2 carb as its a great mix of nippy and economy. Mine was pretty damn reliable once I had an epic krypton tune done on the carb and then literally covered it in varnish to keep it proofed against the elements

[gc_vaux]

Should i avoid getting a 1 litre than ? also for a mk1 front end conversion, is it just grill bumper and lights and wings i'd need ?

[Pistol Pete]

Go for the SR. Good base to start from.

[gc_vaux]

Go for the SR. Good base to start from.
I thought that. be ideal because if i get a mk2 il have to do a mk1 front end conversion

[Pistol Pete]

Why?? lol mk1 suck a55 ;) :p lol

[gc_vaux]

Lol. i prefer the look of the front end, but prefer mk2 of everything else. id still be happy with a mk2 though

[paul james]

Regarding the injection set up being more complicated and therefore less reliable - have you seen how basic the 1.2i is? Theres really not much to it, and wont be as tempremantal as a carb, no manual choke to worry about for one thing.

[mowgli]

Regarding the injection set up being more complicated and therefore less reliable - have you seen how basic the 1.2i is? Theres really not much to it, and wont be as tempremantal as a carb, no manual choke to worry about for one thing.

there is nothing temperamental on a 1.3 sr engine at all. no pumps or sensors that fail

[paul james]

Put it this way, neither 1.2i or 1.2/1.3 carb is likely to cause much problems.

Its the 10bhp loss of the 1.2i from the 1.2 carb that is the only real issue. And contrary to what others might say, simply getting shot of the cat won't make up for it.

[mowgli]

the 1.2i is just wrong on so many levels, bore, stroke etc, let alone the injection...

[bmw156]

agree to dissagree, but imho carbs are more of a pain in the ass than efi... hence why modern stuff is efi ;)



didnt it go all over to EFI for emissions and only emmisons.

[mowgli]

stu has been busy with the ironying...........

mixture of trying to keep the environmental lobby at bay, and also an attempt to get american cars into double figure mpg.... mixed with marketing people and followed by euro mp's, the most dangerous politicians in the world. they get voted in by party activists, using the brittas empire principal.....basically, they are such tw@ts that the party doesn't want them in westminster...

[gc_vaux]

So theres no difference between the 1200 engines except the carb and the injection except the carbed engine is an extra 10bhp... carbed is better then surely ?

[mowgli]

the 1200 carb is bigger bore, shorter stroke, & revvier

the 1.2i is small bore & longer stroke & is crap

[gc_vaux]

the 1200 carb is bigger bore, shorter stroke, & revvier

the 1.2i is small bore & longer stroke & is crap

lol

[novacabrio]

1st 1300 SR
2nd 1200 Carb, but with 4 speed box!

[vaughanmc]

Defo a 1300 SR :) 1.2i is quite slow and un-responsive but mega mega reliable and good on fuel

Depends what you want really :)

[Plug]

hey hey nothing wrong with the 1L pushrod :p

I had about 3 in my nova blew them up only cause i didnt service or maintain them, Ran out of oil :(

I really liked the 1L thou dam good engine and was nippy haha

[General Baxter]

CARBS ARE ****

id rather have a 1.2spi then a 1.6t40 engine lol

[gc_vaux]

I need reliability but dont want it to feel like my cars being powered by 2 slugs or flintstone power. So 1300 SR if i can get one for the money, if not, than either of the 1.2s really ? Guessing there all quite reliable.
If the insurance is a bomb cheaper on a 1litre though, and they are still nippy il go for one. Every year with new NCB i'l have an engine upgrade i think. Iv had 11 cars in 14 months of driving so i really need a Nova to keep for a few years

[Plug]

i may have said nippy lol but for around town pottering there ok, Motorways are crap thou lol

[gc_vaux]

i may have said nippy lol but for around town pottering there ok, Motorways are crap thou lol

My house is half way down a motorway lol :(

[angusl2006]

1.0 gets my vote ;)

[gc_vaux]

1.0 gets my vote ;)

Is it just me or are the 1.0's a bit rarer ? or is there just not many for sale atm.. (or all been blown up)

[mowgli]

1.0 engine is based on 1960's opel, think that car hammond drove across namibia... ok, it was dependable, but no way is it an engine suited to modern life.... and gutless.

[gc_vaux]

1.0 engine is based on 1960's opel, think that car hammond drove across namibia... ok, it was dependable, but no way is it an engine suited to modern life.... and gutless.

1.0 is a no go then. Not up for doing motorway miles everyday in something gutless :wtf: I hardly ever drive through towns :tard:

[General Baxter]

1400sri ?

[mowgli]

the reason there are no 1.0 novas about is that we've ripped the engines out & stuck something decent in..

1300 is capable of pulling a taller top gear up the road, so is better on motorway use.

[gc_vaux]

1400sri ?

Sounds good until i read the figure insurance give me on one, i havnt checked for a while though.
Il get a quote quickly
What are they like for fuel consumption/reliability ?

[General Baxter]

well its a 1400 and mutli rail injection FTW

84bhp iirc

[gc_vaux]

well its a 1400 and mutli rail injection FTW

84bhp iirc

1300 SR, or SRi ?

[General Baxter]

1400sri

tbh if your after a good reliable mile muncher, 1.8spi cav, cheap insurance aswell lol

[gc_vaux]

1300 SR, or SRi ?

Scrap that idea, you should see the quote :confused: :tard:

04 October 2010 21:24
Cheapest price:
£2383.63

VAUXHALL NOVA 1.4I SRI 1389cc
Third Party Fire & Theft cover, no NCB
£500 Voluntary excess requested

Thats not even including the deposit etc, 1.2s are 1700 - 1800 without deposit included. Still got my 20% off with Sky though, need to give them a call and see how there quotes compare

[Mike]

1.2 SPi Corsa

[gc_vaux]

1400sri

1.8spi cav, cheap insurance aswell lol

wanna bet ? lol

[General Baxter]

just how bad is your driving record or are you a wipper snapper lol

[gc_vaux]

1.2 SPi Corsa

The word corsa goes in one ear and out the next with me ;)
Pricier insurance, uglier cars, a lot more common. Just not for me

[gc_vaux]

just how bad is your driving record or are you a wipper snapper lol

lol
Them quotes are with a 100% CLEAN driving license, good post code, 19 y-o, no ncb. People dont realise how bad its actually got !
Edit: I do have points though so its going to be even more.

[Plug]

if you havent been driving 2 years Sky wont touch you

[Mike]

The word corsa goes in one ear and out the next with me ;)
Pricier insurance, uglier cars, a lot more common. Just not for me

Cheaper, easier, cheaper, more reliable, cheaper, better MPG, cheaper & as fun as a Nova.

Well all mine have been anyway. And they 4 wheel drift in the rain without using any brakes at all. Nova's usually spin round backwards instead.

[General Baxter]

lol
Them quotes are with a 100% CLEAN driving license, good post code, 19 y-o, no ncb. People dont realise how bad its actually got !
Edit: I do have points though so its going to be even more.

WTF at 19 i had a 2.5 bmw e30 lol
that was only £900 TPFT lol

that was only 4 years ago

[Mike]

God I remember that sack of cack welded diff mean machine lol lol the old Gilb mobil lol

[gc_vaux]

Nova's usually spin round backwards instead.

Sounds fun to me:thumb:

[gc_vaux]

WTF at 19 i had a 2.5 bmw e30 lol
that was only £900 TPFT lol

that was only 4 years ago

Its all gone tits up ! to say the least

[Mike]

Sounds fun to me:thumb:

I did it, an it was actually but hitting things backwards is not what Nova seat rails are designed to do.

[gc_vaux]

if you havent been driving 2 years Sky wont touch you

:( Bye bye 20% discount, il have to buy coilovers instead

[General Baxter]

God I remember that sack of cack welded diff mean machine lol lol the old Gilb mobil lol

yeah bad boi lol



:( Bye bye 20% discount, il have to buy coilovers instead
you got no chance at legal modding with quotes like that

[gc_vaux]

I did it, an it was actually but hitting things backwards is not what Nova seat rails are designed to do.

I plan to keep this in one piece. No more going flat out or sideways round bends for me, i cant afford it this time.

Would you say 1k is reasonable for a tidy nova ? Im considering a 'Loon if theyre any cheaper to insure

[gc_vaux]

you got no chance at legal modding with quotes like that

Il work it out, meant to be £11 a month for alloys logged. Might just settle with springs, wheels and an exhaust and then just detailing/clean bodywork that insurance don't need to know about. Im not driving a standard 80s rot box

[gc_vaux]

Guy on one of my other threads, svlet or something, you should see his quotes :| i thought mine were bad

[gc_vaux]

4dr 1.2 Spin Saloon same as a 1.3 SR
Even a 1.0 12v corsa is as much as a 1.4 nova, not even going to look at any more corsa quotes


1 Litre not too bad.. (considering)
04 October 2010 21:44
Cheapest price:
£1493.25

VAUXHALL NOVA 993cc
Third Party Fire & Theft cover, no NCB
£500 Voluntary excess requested

[General Baxter]

5 door 1300 ;)

[Mike]

Thats some crazy **** :S

Its less then that for an Escort Cosworth Lux for me :S

[Plug]

/\ well where is it then :p

Christ im paying £1800 for the LET

[gc_vaux]

Thats some crazy **** :S

Its less then that for an Escort Cosworth Lux for me :S

Crazy aint it ! I'd rather pay the extra few hundred to not drive a 1litre, but even that for a 1.2 is a sh*t load. My first car was a 1.2 clio, 1208, 2nd was a 1.4i 8v S1 106 Xsi, 1408. Was done by CC nearly. Now they do that and chuck another 1/2 of the quote on top:mad:

[General Baxter]

im voting 5 door still

my xe 5 door was £500 a year, if it was in a 3 door shell it would of been £900 so i saved there and had more space, win win

[gc_vaux]

/\ well where is it then :p

Christ im paying £1800 for the LET

What i find weirder is.. the newer the car (so obviously safer) the higher the insurance.
I nearly bought a diesel mk5 astra not long ago, and a 1.4 tdi mk6 fiesta, thinking it'd be cheaper considering airbags and all that.
Buy a rotted nova with possibly no safety features and they'l insure me cheaper :confused:

[gc_vaux]

im voting 5 door still

my xe 5 door was £500 a year, if it was in a 3 door shell it would of been £900 so i saved there and had more space, win win

More doors more whores.
Never made a difference on my quotes though

[General Baxter]

i think your just ****ed,

the 850cc chinkycheno is over there ---->

[Mike]

/\ well where is it then :p

Christ im paying £1800 for the LET

Insurance is cheap, the car isnt lol unlike RX7's ;)

[mowgli]

daewoo matiz????

[gc_vaux]

daewoo matiz????
Sensible car but i'm straight

[gc_vaux]

i think your just ****ed,



I think you're right.

Back to the doooors.. as my quotes go (atm) 5 door hatchback will save me £200, but 'loonin makes no difference 3 or 5 dr

[mowgli]

no, everyone else was taking the piss, so i thought i'd join in...

if you buy a REAL mk1 nova, it is 20 years old & thus you can fish around for classic insurance..

also putting a parent on your policy as a named driver can lower your premium massively.

[gc_vaux]

Sensible car but i'm straight

Also,i'm set on one car and its a nova. even if i get raped by insurance, theres no question about what car i want and am going to drive. Iv looked at 1.0 yaris's etc and theres hardly a difference:wtf:

[General Baxter]

scooter? lmao

[gc_vaux]

no, everyone else was taking the piss, so i thought i'd join in...

if you buy a REAL mk1 nova, it is 20 years old & thus you can fish around for classic insurance..

also putting a parent on your policy as a named driver can lower your premium massively.

Can you get mk2s on classic insurance too or just MK1s ? my dads insurance is all on a business policy which you'v got to be 25 to go on, and my mums car got vandalised so it doesnt make a difference to my quotes. Im just going to have to pay big money for a slow car for a couple of years, take the cock shaftin from insurance, wait it out and get some NCB

[gc_vaux]

scooter? lmao

lmao,now you really are taking the piss :p

[General Baxter]

im not, its transport ?

[gc_vaux]

im not, its transport ?

true, just not practical enough for work etc

[General Baxter]

come on tell the truth, why are your quotes so high

[gc_vaux]

I paid 3k before, sure i can manage 2000. Just a p1ss take its on a 1.2

[gc_vaux]

come on tell the truth, why are your quotes so high

Honestly, fully truthful, these quotes are with No points, good post code, good job, no convictions atall, no bans. Insurance is just a bomb for young and new drivers. All got bad since this year, if your opening a new policy anyway. If you already have a policy open and go from a 1.2 to a 1.6 its not too bad.

[General Baxter]

how long have you had your licence ?

[gc_vaux]

Oh and they were with £500 excess which is the max limit. and Third Party Fire and Theft which is the cheapest.

[gc_vaux]

how long have you had your licence ?

Since June the 6th 2009
edit- and i've had no claims against me either

[General Baxter]

something is very very wrong there then

are you using insurance 'supermarkets' ?

[gc_vaux]

something is very very wrong there then

are you using insurance 'supermarkets' ?

Yeah these are on gocompare and tesco. But ive even rang insurers to end up hanging up. Obviously il shop around more when iv got the car i need to insure, but all these quotes are hit and miss within about £150 i'd say.

Ahh and the vehicle value is down as a lot less than the cars actually worth. Obviously wouldnt get a payout anyway being TP F&T but its still meant to bring costs down