1/4 times needed

[Stuart]

rite in order to do the calculations that CP wants for making the strip a "level" playing field i need your 1/4 times/power/rough ideas on weight and tyres


:)

[Breeny]

Dunno if this will help bu theres a load of 1/4 mile times for novas on http://www.pngregion4.co.uk

I'll start off by saying a stripped 1400sr with a k&n and stainless steel system on 15's with 195/50 tyres did a 17.4 (at santa pod)

Andy Bish did a 13.9 in his standard nova turbo with 16's, 195/45 and full interior (i think)

[Jim]

15.2sec @ 90.66mph

1.6 on Twin 40's. Bucket seats up front, no rear seats, no cage. Not totally stripped of weight, so could go faster :) No Diff either.

16" wheels with 195/45/16

Jim

P.S. I probably wont be going to PV03 anyway, but theres my figures.

[Paul]

Mate did a 15.23 in his 2.0 16Valve on steelies. Heavily modded lump, sorry but i really cant be arsed to list mods, maybe tomorrow.

[CP]

here y'are m8 :)

Novaload shootout day results Santa Pod
Sun 9th Sept 2001
cold dry start - warmed up later

results complied by Ian Storey and posted up in PNG by Dec Burke

cc type declared mods time T/ velocity Notes
b/box zorst filter cam/head 40s/45's Transmis stripped
1196 8v carb y 19.826 67.22 ick
1297 8v carb y y 18.2 74.9
1297 8v carb y y 18.215 73.92
1297 8v carb y y 40's y 17.007 78.93 sport
1297 8v carb y y y 16.94 79.6 major internal mods? Toby crisp
1389 8v carb y y 17.86 74.82
1389 8v carb 17.662 75.71 Chris W
1389 8v carb y y 17.52 75.88 breeny
1389 8v inj y y 17.7 77 de-cat FSE
1389 8v inj y y 17.352 78.22
1389 8v inj y y y cam only y f15 16.986 80.27
1598 8v inj y y 16.636 82.64 FSE
1598 8v inj y 16.62 81.9
1598 8v inj y y 16.617 81.69
1598 8v inj y y y quikshift 16.601 83.03
1598 8v inj y y 16.6 83 de-cat
1598 8v inj y y 16.477 84.69
1598 8v turbo y 15.53 87.29 FSE
1598 8v turbo y y 15.485 ?
1598 8v carb y y 40's ATB diff y 15.34 88.03 CP
1598 8v carb y y y 40's y 15.18 89.77 MC
1598 8v carb y y y 45's box/diff y 14.989 90.9 Rally car Tom Lunn
1598 16v T/B's y y 14.78 94.69 Dec Burke
1800 8v carb y y 2.0l head 40's 16.292 75.2
1998 16v turbo 16.08 76 Karthik on 19's
1998 16v inj y y 15.38 92 courtenay gp n ECU
1998 16v inj y y kent cams 15.373 92.49
1998 16v inj y y 15.1 90.5 courtenay gp n ECU
1998 16v turbo 15 91.6 andy Bishop
1998 16v inj y y head/cams 14.98 93.48 cluch slip mark beeson
1998 16v inj y y y 14.858 91.7 Ste
1998 16v inj y y stg1 head 14.613 94.15
1998 16v T/B's cams 14.47 96.4
1998 16v carb y y cams 48's ATB diff 14.066 99 Martin Kelson
1998 16v turbo y 13.819 104 Alex haines
1998 16v carb y y 45's LSD/box y 13.729 100.47 Darren Ludlam
1998 16v T/B's y y swindon box/diff y 13.648 102.97 Jon Shield
head/cams full works

[CP]

:lol: err not exactly how i had it laid out in Excel. Its got all scrunched up. The top line is the categories and the mods should be lined up below :roll: I'm such a computer muppet :oops:
Will e- mail you Camb.

Anyone else interested in a " readable" Excel version pls e-mail me direct and I will send you an attchment.

The weight factor needs a simple estimation system devised cos otherwise we would have to weigh everything before it went up the strip.

[CP]

Weights
Std hatch back mk1 735
std hatchback mk2 750
SR 770
GTE 834

Av. alloys added +20kgs
stripped rear only/totally stripped plus cage -40kgs
Av. ice +10kgs?
Major cabin modds (leather trim plus big ice etc) +40kg

all other stuff like spare tyre, fuel onboard, passengers etc to be ignored

[Ste_Nova]

1998 16v inj y y y 14.858 91.7 Ste

stripped, standard internals, superchip, 1.2i zorst, rr @ 163bhp

[Stuart]

anyone got a rough idea how much the rear seats weigh???

like i said in the otehr post im guessing they only wiegh about 20-30Kg's which is roughly what a cage weighs anyway

[CP]

An SR stripped from the tailgate to the back of the front seats loses 40kg. I estimate that half of that is the inertia seatbelts and all their fittings. There is about 5kgs of carpet and trim so the seats must be aboout 15 kgs. Doesnt inlcude any speakers or anything.

Hmm the MIG boys dont seem to be very interested :?

[mikeoxford]

1389 8v carb 17.662 75.71 Chris W


thats my baby before i bought it :D

it was on a knackered pierburg carb that was giving up the ghost and just the mongoose exhaust (manifold backwards) i was told

[Dicko]

rear seats weigh 15-20kg

[Ste_Nova]

how much does fuel weigh dicko?

[wisewood]

depends how much of it there is ste :lol:

[Aragorn]

fuel will be 1KG per litre or very close to

so a full tank is 40kgs

run on half a tank and u lose 20kgs :)

[Dan]

If we are going to be real about this and work out what weighs what and make it into some form of spreadsheet then driver size must surely be an issue as is the biggest deciding factor :? . As an example being 14.5 stone myself and chris t being of a thicker build like myself :| , in 2 cars identical against breeny or mike oxford they would have a good advantage straight away as they are lighter :cry: ,

[Jim]

Sorry Dan, I don't think the weight of the driver should be taken into account, just stop eating all them pies :P

Jim

[Chris_W]

I gotta agree wih Dan here, fly weights like Mike and Breeny would have a definate advantage over 'bigger built' people like myself, Dan and Chris T given identical cars. But, I also agree Dan needs to lay off the pies, and the ice cream, and the cake and the......... ;)


Chris

[Fester]

lol get in shape dear o dear we'll calculating weight loss through hair style and thickness next

[CP]

lol - the level playing field idea is broad categories to do with handicapping the basic set up of the car ie a 2.0let Nova vs a Cally 2.0let. I would expect the final weights/power/suspension setup of the car - seats, spare tyres, half a tank of petrol, driver on a diet etc etc to be down to operator skill on the day so that those best prepared get the glory. The idea would be to handicap those whose lazily turn up with a roller skate and a rocket strapped to it with its obvious advantages and no skill involved :lol:

If it gets too involved it will end up in nonsense land with everyone saying that its a load of shit cos it means nothing?

[Breeny]

fly weights like Mike and Breeny

Ive put on a fair bit of weight myself recently :oops:

Anyways... i can't see you getting the bathroom scales out when we turn up at the strip... that would be hilarious to watch :lol:

[mr_tricky]

at the pod a few weeks ago i got

14.92 @ 88.3 mph....filter and exhaust

full interior, half a tank of fuel and a set of 17`s and a half dead clutch
then 14.98 and a couple of 15.1`s

[andybishop]

I've done a 13.7 @ 105mph at santa, Standard 2.0l 16v Turbo with diff and paddle clutch, 16" wheels, full interior, half tank of fuel.

[Lee H]

16.2secs, standard 1.6 GSi, standard interior, 16's and half tank of fuel.