View Full Version : C4 tonight, 8pm
This should be interesting (http://www.tvguide.co.uk/detail.asp?id=74730921) lol
Dont even need to click he link, thought of you when i saw the advert lol
we know the MOD is wasteful. they have always been crap at it.. the military mentality doesn't seem to lend itself to cutting expenditure...
they seem to have 5 vehicles for every job. they are truly useless at construction spending.... i got a tender form last year for a propane bottle store, and the spec was at least three times what a normal person would use, and the material list & building regs sheet were about 40 years out of date.. most of the stuff is actually illegal to use these days..
this obsession with tradition & painting stones white is just so out of date.
claire6069
20-09-10, 03:51 PM
will spark alot of debates im sure lol
meh, same old same old. maybe if we wernt involved in 2 wars that are totally unnessecary we may have a small chasnce of a decent military. that and when all the old tossers in charge die, and the fresh youngsters come through.
claire6069
20-09-10, 04:03 PM
its not that which annoys me, its the fact that the actual troops over here do sod all every day unless they're on guard or on exercise!!
the problem with a lot of government departments is that they really need to have thousands of people in office buildings in london looking really busy shuffling paperwork, and you find that a 2" nail actually costs the country £25, and £50 for someone to risk assess it & £100 for someone to actually knock it in.
the staff on the ground are usually ok, and work hard... but they are a minor part of the organisation.
/\ top answer. too many cooks and all that....
we know the MOD is wasteful. they have always been crap at it.. the military mentality doesn't seem to lend itself to cutting expenditure...
Its got nothing to do with military mentality, in fact their way of thinking is usually better than the civilian way, especially from the guys on the front line. Mind you, its not unusual to find the odd Brigadier doing his nut to see a contract through, despite all cost, just to get that extra star.
Defence is WAY too reliant on contractors. Methinks this program will just be about equipment out in the front line, but its all the stuff behind the scenes thats killing the department.
Here's a spending black hole for a start (http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&source=hp&q=unmitigated+disaster&aq=f&aqi=g2&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=1&cad=b)
And also the contractors being many many many many years out of date, using low volumes as an excuse not to bother commonising things and insiting on seperate departments and components within products that could be on one board and one set of software (as a rough crude example)
I mean come on, some stuff has been in planning/development for as long as Mowgli's been on the planet!!!!! lol and yet to enter active service.
examples pls, out of interest?
if it wasn't for the afghanistan thing, we'd have enormous military budget cuts anyway...
i keep hearing stories about military vehicles that are only moved to get fully serviced, then put back in the line, fleet cars that will be on the books until they have reached a certain mileage, so they will never ever get taken off fleet. stuff that gets lost along the way....they need a shakeup.. the whole defence procurement arm should be disbanded & started anew using knowledge learnt by any of the huge logistics companies.. supply & demand, correct specifications, rapid turnround, 24hr delivery schedules... the government would save way more than they'd spend in unemployment benefits..
^^ correct.
When I was servicing hummers for the yanks, we were doing full rebuilds on these things and then putting them back on the lineup.... and 4 weeks later giving them a full service because 1 month had elapsed. 99% of them hadnt even been started!!
huge stores of stuff is 'great' but then they still need inspecting before use etc and I'm very very very sure that JiT production would see a reduction in cost and maintenence for the forces, plus if munitions are cheaper to buy through improved mfring then they would use more, and subsequently buy more at a cheaper rate than they do now.
Its all a complete farce and I want out!
as we are in nato, i assume that any 'nato' stuff means we use nato spec stuff, which means std components, standard suppliers etc..
lmfao yeah "standard"............. of course.
bar the bidecade revisions that arent enforced so some stuff is 20yrs out of std and some stuff is bang upto date etc.
LMFAO @ the comment about taking a car from London to Abbey Wood.
Go look up the price of a train ticket to Abbey Wood to get there prior to 9am, and leaving after 5pm. Then compare that to how much a Mk5 Astra would cost in petrol :roll:
[edit] Oh, and Lewis Page, I have one word for you: Apache :p
And he's coming at the Future Lynx from completely the wrong angle; thats supposed to replace the Lynx which is - lets be honest - way out of date and pretty much obsolete now (it was designed in the 60s!!) . Wildcat was never designed to be a people carrier, its a completely different aircraft for a different role.
I'm pretty critical of how the MOD spends its money, but this program so far is a complete shambles!
i work in the medical industry, and we often supply the MOD with couches.
the ALWAYS order spare upholstery as they are always ripping it.
each time, the piece of upholstery is over 200 quid. and they never quibble the price, ask for more discount anything, just pay up.
Jack, it was a dire program.
basically a propeganda 'film' to whinge about helicopters.
yes a blackhawk would be ace, but the yanks are as big a douche bags as our lot so we'd wind up paying a shed load for the damn things anyway.
ah. like back in the sixties when we had this amazing supersonic strike bomber, and it got completely removed from existance because we had to buy f1/11's and then they came late & were'nt the right spec... all because of the 'special relationship' or WWII loan as it became known
mmmmmmm TSR2, utter utter utter porn!
We wouldnt 'need' eurofighter if we had TSR2 (even now)
thats the fella....it looked like something from thunderbirds, and was the fastest thing around.... they wanted to keep one for testing stuff on the concorde project, and it got scrapped.. then in the 90's the yanks wanted to do some supersonic high altitude experiments, and they used the russian knock off one... and not a concorde.. they really get snotty when we have better toys than them.. ie. blue streak, harrier etc
actually tsr2 still exists, its in a hangar somewhere i'vee seen the pics in a book. there was talk of it being given to duxford, and made flight ready.
there is a TSR2 at duxford, in remarkable condition ;)
oooh i must have read an old article. iirc when they looked at harrier in the 80's one of the options was to make the tsr2 as a replacement, apparently it was too advanced even then....
i have an inkling that the tsr2 in duxford is a non flying example...
yes a blackhawk would be ace, but the yanks are as big a douche bags as our lot so we'd wind up paying a shed load for the damn things anyway.
Chinook lol
...actually thats pretty much the reason why we built our own Apaches lol
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