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Brasso93
13-08-10, 08:10 PM
ive just had a 3hour long argument on facebook with about 18 different honda owners saying that you could get more power out of a b&q gas stove than a C20LET even tho vtec production has come to an end lol lol lol lol
ive just had a 3hour long argument on facebook with about 18 different honda owners saying that you could get more power out of a b&q gas stove than a C20LET even tho vtec production has come to an end lol lol lol lol
But in comparison, Honda engine to GM engine, there actually correct :wtf:
Pistol Pete
13-08-10, 08:11 PM
Since when has vtec production ended??!!
craig green
13-08-10, 08:11 PM
VTEC owners the world over think they have the best cars/engine.
I read a bunch of replies on Youtube where some B16 owners thought they had a hands down better engine that any V8 American muscle.. they will grow up one day.
Because they still make C20LETs...
They also still make VTEC's afaik, type R will not be in the UK next year due to euro emissions rules, I believe you have your wires crossed.
They do still make them, i-VTEC motors....
On a side note, ive never ever ever heard of a GM 1.8 16v or even a LET motor making over 500bhp ATW, yet theres a fiar few Civic's & Teg's about with that & then some.
Brasso93
13-08-10, 08:14 PM
their stopping production on the newest b20 vtec engine as it stood no chance in the emissions test
their stopping production on the newest b20 vtec engine as it stood no chance in the emissions test
For the EU... not elsewhere, and it could pass it, but the work required outweighs the profit they make on the sales of Type R's in the EU.
their stopping production on the newest b20 vtec engine as it stood no chance in the emissions test
Thats hardly the entire world production of VTec motor's though is it :tard:
Brasso93
13-08-10, 08:17 PM
its not the vtec honda shizzle that gets me its the fact that they were sayin cuz they have a vtec they know everything about engines but didnt realise how much power a c20let has lol
its not the vtec honda shizzle that gets me its the fact that they were sayin cuz they have a vtec they know everything about engines but didnt realise how little power a c20let has lol
Edited for truth Im afraid...
its not the vtec honda shizzle that gets me its the fact that they were sayin cuz they have a vtec they know everything about engines but didnt realise how much power a c20let has lol
Probably less than a mildly fiddled with honda 2.0 N/A to be fair. If you have to fiddle with it to get that out of it, anyway.
edit: Just looked, latest (07 on) Type R civic, 2.0, 198 bhp, so um, yeah :p
if only mr honda kept a few quid back to make the damned things look nice.............
the let has one redeeming feature...one more let nova means one less calibra....
they are ok engines, but there are definitely way better ones out there...
f28's don't seem to like big power anyway
vauxhall engines and novas are craplol who would own one?:tard:
edit: Just looked, latest (07 on) Type R civic, 2.0, 198 bhp, so um, yeah :p
Without a charger bolted onto it! The yanks super/turbocharge them & make silly power lol
Without a charger bolted onto it! The yanks super/turbocharge them & make silly power lol
Yeah, I've seen a hybrid 1.6 or 1.8 (I forget now, it was made of random bits and I can't remember the CC, think it was 1.6 though!) civic at over 600, which is nuts really.
Brasso93
13-08-10, 08:28 PM
vauxhall engines and novas are craplol who would own one?:tard:
lol lol lol lol lol
Do i need a beer and some crisps for this thread?
craig green
13-08-10, 08:34 PM
Yeah, I've seen a hybrid 1.6 or 1.8 (I forget now, it was made of random bits and I can't remember the CC, think it was 1.6 though!) civic at over 600, which is nuts really.
Nothing you can't do with any 2.0 engine tbh.
resources & people with deep pockets are a bit scarce here in the UK tbh. vauxhalls are cheap at the end of the day.
It makes me laugh that here in the UK, finding someone to TIG up an inlet or make a tubular manifold is near on impossible & like a black-art, yet in the states kids do it in their sheds. totally different mentality or approach.
Nothing you can't do with any 2.0 engine tbh.
Nothing you can't do with a 2.5, or 3.0, or a 7.4l V8 either... but the skill is doing it with a 1.6 lol
edit: also wasn't there a particular 440bhp LET that suffered infamous issues at that kinda power? :p
Pistol Pete
13-08-10, 08:44 PM
their stopping production on the newest b20 vtec engine as it stood no chance in the emissions test
No. They are no longer selling the type r to the uk. We, i mean Honda UK will still manufacture and export the type r.
Bet the GM engine wouldnt do this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKYvAz6DpuE) though no matter how much money you throw at it!
Pistol Pete
13-08-10, 08:51 PM
Bet the GM engine wouldnt do this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKYvAz6DpuE) though no matter how money you throw at it!
It does make me laugh. People slag of vtec, take the piss etc....but try and get anything near to what that engine is producing (480bhp from an 1800cclol) from a C20LET and it will implode!
It does make me laugh. People slag of vtec, take the piss etc....but try and get anything near to what that engine is producing (480bhp from an 1800cclol) from a C20LET and it will implode!
Deluded + Blinkers = Fail
Quite simple mathematics really lol lol
Pistol Pete
13-08-10, 08:56 PM
lol
It does make me laugh. People slag of vtec, take the piss etc....but try and get anything near to what that engine is producing (480bhp from an 1800cclol) from a C20LET and it will implode!
I think the issue is they're famed for lack of torque, as people think torque means low down power, when the VTEC system is in run to the shops save fuel mode, people forget that VTEC is a fuel saving system for a car running a performance cam setup, not some magical power creating fairydust injection system that kicks in at 4500rpm.
Pistol Pete
13-08-10, 08:59 PM
A VTEC motor is abit like a 125 motocross bike. Rev the nuts out if it to get the best out of it!!
craig green
13-08-10, 09:42 PM
People forget a C20LET is a poorly specced motor for mass production in a european market shopping car. It was never intended for motorsport or any tuning, merely 200bhp in a family saloon/coupe to a price threshold (how much were Cav turbo's new?) until it ran out of warranty.
VTEC engines on the other hand were probably intended for world domination & to poster the walls of pre-pubescent teenagers bedrooms.
djbrowney
13-08-10, 09:45 PM
They do still make them, i-VTEC motors....
On a side note, ive never ever ever heard of a GM 1.8 16v or even a LET motor making over 500bhp ATW, yet theres a fiar few Civic's & Teg's about with that & then some.
i know of two let producing that sort of power im sure there are more !
craig green
13-08-10, 09:49 PM
People in the UK are incapable of this. You only need to look furher afield in europe or even the US/Brazil to find monster spec LET engines.
Sourcing & buying the proper engine internals to make 500+ bhp is just insane in the UK. Likewise who in their right mind (Rick Draper aside) would go to all that trrouble & then drop such an engine into a rusty mk2 Astra or Nova?
i know of two let producing that sort of power im sure there are more !
With gas though, not simply all motor??
What I find pretty cool is the amount of B16 & B18 motors making over 400hp :) shame its not the "norm" over here tho :(
djbrowney
13-08-10, 10:40 PM
no gas involved what so ever if im correct there may even be 3 lol
It does make me laugh. People slag of vtec, take the piss etc....but try and get anything near to what that engine is producing (480bhp from an 1800cclol) from a C20LET and it will implode!
480bhp from a 1.8 apy audi engine is easily achievable if you have the money.
and what about the 600 bhp let engine? was that just a dream?? show me a vtec yooooo with 600bhp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B2OYEMOprw
I can't believe how anti Vauxhall this forum appears to have become recently.
no gas involved what so ever if im correct there may even be 3 lol
Who's are those then turnip face ?
As for Vtecs hmmmm
Stock S2000 engine with turbo kit, only 700hp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emwrIVZ9gA4
Plenty more of those been done too.
Even in NA form they totally destroy the opposition in terms of power and reliabilty, oh and more importantly costs !
260 ish hp 9500rpm redline for less than half the cost of a similar power xe but won't wear out every few thousand miles.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/Jatec/Escort%20Build/P1040748.jpg
I can't believe how anti Vauxhall this forum appears to have become recently.
Its just peoples opinions Lee.
A let is a very capable engine, the difference is that the Hondas for example are so well engineered in the first place that they can take big power reliably where as the Vauxhall cannot without the use of expensive internals.
The fact that most stuff for the japanese market is off the shelf makes life very easy and does mean there are far more big power engines out there than there are Vauxhalls.
They do still make them, i-VTEC motors....
On a side note, ive never ever ever heard of a GM 1.8 16v or even a LET motor making over 500bhp ATW, yet theres a fiar few Civic's & Teg's about with that & then some.theres the mk2 astra with over 700bhp out of a let, hes managed to blow up a celica gt4 gearbox with it which is impressive in itself
Nothing you can't do with a 2.5, or 3.0, or a 7.4l V8 either... but the skill is doing it with a 1.6 lol
edit: also wasn't there a particular 440bhp LET that suffered infamous issues at that kinda power? :p
if you are referring to ricks it did that on 3 cylinders did it not?
the reason jap stuff is so much better is that it is a much newer design and was made better to start with. i know the 2.2 vtecs only need about 4k pumping in to them to return about 700bhp
djbrowney
14-08-10, 08:36 AM
we have speaky, danny and im sure nic barns is aswel !
djbrowney
14-08-10, 08:38 AM
People in the UK are incapable of this. You only need to look furher afield in europe or even the US/Brazil to find monster spec LET engines.
Sourcing & buying the proper engine internals to make 500+ bhp is just insane in the UK. Likewise who in their right mind (Rick Draper aside) would go to all that trrouble & then drop such an engine into a rusty mk2 Astra or Nova?
watch this space ;)
watch this space ;)your cupboard should make 500bhp easily lol
I only like Vauxhalls because I don't have much money and they offer good value for performance.
If I was on a decent wage then I would be driving a jap car!
djbrowney
14-08-10, 09:03 AM
your cupboard should make 500bhp easily lol
IS that that the cupboard its self or the **** in it lol
mk1nova_rich
14-08-10, 09:52 AM
ive just had a 3hour long argument on facebook
you need to get laid or get out more lol lol
MattBrown
14-08-10, 10:11 AM
Vtec rules.
Lets face it, the japaneese know theyre stuff.
When vauxhall bring out a 1.6, 16v engine, that makes 160bhp they ill be happy.
There pulling 800bhp from a turbo b18c now.
The reason theyre better, is because they spend millions, and millions, to get one more bhp, so, everything they do, they do the best.
matt, get the rose tinted glasses off.......
jap cars simply copy what everyone else does, but better are built....except for the toyota corner cutting.......
honda got screwed in the states a few years back because they were importing cars with a super lean emissions ecu, then swapping them for a different ecu at the dealerships so they could run properly.........
they all borrowed money off the western banks, & don't spend as much money on design as the european or american manufacturers.... the produce a few thousand super duper vtec cars & people think all of there engines are race quality...
the integra type r was invented for european group n production racing, and they were properly screwed by the peugeot 306 gti-6.
people get 800hp out of a 1.8 by spending ludicrous amounts of money on it... nothing standard will be left on it & the engine will probably last 1000miles before a rebuild...
MattBrown
14-08-10, 10:57 AM
matt, get the rose tinted glasses off.......
jap cars simply copy what everyone else does, but better are built....except for the toyota corner cutting.......
honda got screwed in the states a few years back because they were importing cars with a super lean emissions ecu, then swapping them for a different ecu at the dealerships so they could run properly.........
they all borrowed money off the western banks, & don't spend as much money on design as the european or american manufacturers.... the produce a few thousand super duper vtec cars & people think all of there engines are race quality...
the integra type r was invented for european group n production racing, and they were properly screwed by the peugeot 306 gti-6.
people get 800hp out of a 1.8 by spending ludicrous amounts of money on it... nothing standard will be left on it & the engine will probably last 1000miles before a rebuild...
Aww, someone stuck with the amal carbs and contact breaker pointslol
Its not rose tinted glasses, its proven.
If we were the best, we would still be making everything, and exporting around the world.
Our problem, was we started making (cars and bikes) and the same stuff we made in the 1920's, we thought would suffice in the 1970's.
The japaneese dont sell shat, they dont make shat.
If you believe they do, then why is there eonomy so strong, and ours so weak?
Vtec = chav. Fact.
Every uk vtec owner fits a cone filter and thinks it's charger power.
Let, b16 whatever it will produce high bhp if you throw lots of cash at it.
Jon_nova1
14-08-10, 11:11 AM
because they sell cheap shat, while ours is more expensive shat lol
I don't think japanese cars got a reputation of reliability by blowing up after a week
10 years ago japan's national bank was actually paying their companies a percentage to take out loans... they were that screwed.....
renault bought nissan for pennies... (and the nissans are now running french engines)
the japs made all our stuff under licence, then spent a small amount extra on improving it.. the nissan comercials until very recently were still using a version of the BL b series engine (think mgb) the 240z and its descendants were using an engine based on a 1960's merc design.
this country did one thing that the japs didn't... we ended up on the winning side of a war... we had a lot of bills to pay.. the losing countries started with a clean sheet of paper.... why do you think germany is so dominant now??
i am so old fashioned that the last time i ran a carb engined car was in 1991... were you even born then?
we have speaky, danny and im sure nic barns is aswel !
Speckys isn't over 600hp, nor is Nicks, Dannys is apparently.
So who else then ? :p
Sorry, V tec unreliable LOL now that is funny.
Find me a nice reliable LET ?
Lets not forget Speckys engine might of done a few years work but in that time I doubt its even covered a few thousand miles.
the let was just not developed enough. the vxr one is way better. but then the ecotec is what the old xe was developed into, so it ought to be better.
the vtec is a fancy variable valve design..... it is not the holy grail. in japan, there is a healthy industry creating production tuning parts to strict standards. but over here there are a couple of people knocking out bits for LET's which, lets face it, are antiques... the british tuning industry is full of rogues & bullsh!tters, and always was & the quality of some stuff is not even amateur, but it isn't regulated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WUGgok7AaA
MattBrown
14-08-10, 01:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WUGgok7AaA
1.0 8v? Did they do one:roll:
1.0 8v? Did they do one:roll:
Maybe for the Brazil market.
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belly257
14-08-10, 02:17 PM
vtec is just a posh word of saying your cars **** slow until 5k
don't get me wrong they are reliable (the engines) as the shells are ugly rot boxes and the parts are super exspensive, because its made in japan they add a few zero's im sure. and the people who tend to own vtecs seem to be very arrogant
rant overlol
the engines are reliable in standard form. honda forums are literally littered with engines that have gone bang
im an anti jap man myself, and most honda vtec owners think there the bees nees and very arrogant
djbrowney
14-08-10, 02:54 PM
Read the tread Jongirl it said 500 bhp at the wheels
An your phone is **** ffs
What I find hilarious is you undectuate nobbers slating VTecs, when the VTec system identical to Toyota's VVTi, Porsche's Vario Cam Plus & Mitsi's MIVEC system.
MattBrown
14-08-10, 05:09 PM
the engines are reliable in standard form. honda forums are literally littered with engines that have gone bang
How many engines must we have killed?
And theyre not even in the origional carslol
What I find hilarious is you undectuate nobbers slating VTecs, when the VTec system identical to Toyota's VVTi, Porsche's Vario Cam Plus & Mitsi's MIVEC system.
what about the rover k series too???
mike, i think people are just not buying into the 'vtec is the best' thing they are good engines.. what a lot of kids over here don't realise is that people in the states will willingly pay $100-150k for a fully modified ready to go street racing car. and then run it on 120ron fuel & have somebody look after it properly. there is the culture for it, there are plenty of people daft enough to spend that much.
the fact is that in the uk, some kid will buy a vtec & get some tuning bits off the net, and put it together for more like 5K. it will not have the proper crank, rods, pistons gearbox etc.... it will eventually go bang, especially on supermarket petrol, same as LETS, YB's and lots of other engines.
craig green
14-08-10, 05:38 PM
The fact that Hondas have a worlwide appeal/following means the whole industry is far more lucrative when it comes to developing & selling tuning gear. In the grand scheme of things its only us in the UK & few deluded Germans or Belgians that give much of a toss for european GM stuff.
Rover's K series isnt variable valve timed, the 'VVC' variant is. As found in BRM 200's & MGF's, not run of the mill Rovers.
If you want to find some big power GM's in europe look to Finland. That guy that posted on here with a 300bhp 1600 8v for example.
dr, i only called it the k cos i couldn't remember what its name was.....
in the states, people are getting crazy power from gm 20get 2l 8v turbo engines..
MattBrown
14-08-10, 06:15 PM
1200bhp YB200 engine?
2200bhp toyota supra
1800bhp skyline.
IF you gots that mhoneys.
We dont, and tbh, is it really worth it?
best part... Opel designed a variable valve timing c20xe head (vtec) but never produced it, due to the costs.
MattBrown
14-08-10, 06:21 PM
best part... Opel designed a variable valve timing c20xe head (vtec) but never produced it, due to the costs.
You know the rules.
Pics or GTFOlol
They do still make them, i-VTEC motors....
On a side note, ive never ever ever heard of a GM 1.8 16v or even a LET motor making over 500bhp ATW, yet theres a fiar few Civic's & Teg's about with that & then some. a guy i know has a corsa with a c20let in it its running 514bhp at the wheels and he recons it is down on 80bhp due to the fact the guy who mapped it mapped it to be safe.
General Baxter
14-08-10, 06:30 PM
How many engines must we have killed?
i do my best lol
craig green
14-08-10, 06:39 PM
I'm not particularly singling out Rick Draper here for any reason, other than his Nova is a great example. but take his project/engine build. He wanted to aim for a power figure in mind, it took lots of one off parts & guess work from quite a few good sources. The trial & error proved very expensive & for the large part was on his own in terms of testing the parts for the application (20LET) which in the UK hadnt really been tuned to that extent.
It still failed after its 1st couple mapping sessions, he went back to the drwaing board, used another turbo etc. He obvioulsy got tired of being his own guinea pig & no doubt chucking that much money at a car that without his engine, in the grand scheme of things wasnt worth 'Jack'. If on the other hand a proven route of 'this turbo, those pistons, that ECU with this map' was proved & available off the shelf like popular tuning parts are in the US, it would be far more cost effective, widespread & just easier to build 500bhp Novas (or whatever) day in day out.
You only have to open your eyes to see that Novas really arent sh*t in the grand scheme of car tuning. I think the word hot hatch probably means nothing to your average american car enthusiast.
Read the tread Jongirl it said 500 bhp at the wheels
An your phone is **** ffs
My mistake, thought it said 600 @ wheels
And yes my phone is pony.
I'm not saying a VTEC is 100% reliable, it isn't, its just a far better engine in terms of tunability IMO
As for there being loads of VTECS blown about, how many lets have you known to hold together with 400hp ? wether it be a small or big fault, they are not a reliable engine unless you spend a good amount of money.
You know the rules.
Pics or GTFOlol
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5771/image311wj.jpg
a few heads where tryed in Formula 3. but the costs where to high for production.
MattBrown
14-08-10, 10:30 PM
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/5771/image311wj.jpg
a few heads where tryed in Formula 3. but the costs where to high for production.
You have given me a woodylol
those of you who think vtec is the same as variable valve timing need to go and do some research
vtec? thats like the powerband of a 2 stroke motocross bike imo lol
nothing for a while then WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
MattBrown
15-08-10, 12:21 AM
vtec? thats like the powerband of a 2 stroke motocross bike imo lol
nothing for a while then WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Ohh dearlol
me no like vtec yoooooooooo
me prefer turbo woooooooooshh
MattBrown
15-08-10, 12:24 AM
me no like vtec yoooooooooo
me prefer turbo woooooooooshh
Me like any engine, from my lawn mower, to motox bike, to kart, to a 1920's motorbike:thumb:
when we are talking about massiv amounts of power are the cars road legal as well ?
If you want to find some big power GM's in europe look to Finland. That guy that posted on here with a 300bhp 1600 8v for example.
:eek: I thought you knew better than this Craig, when you go to Scandanavia, you automatically double the power and add 50 for luck!
belly257
15-08-10, 01:49 PM
as bin said Anyone who thinks vtec and vvti is the same needs to go do abit of research! in my opinion vtecs aint bad engines, i know of a few around here which have gone bang, there to common for me every man and his dog has got one! ill stick to my early 90's turbo eurobox thanks!
craig green
15-08-10, 02:38 PM
One of the main reasons to hate Hondas though is the nasty exhaust pipes the kids put on them. The louder your car is, the longer it takes to disappear from ear shot, thus making it seem slower.
My next car will 99% likely be VTEC (dream) powered.
belly257
15-08-10, 03:00 PM
One of the main reasons to hate Hondas though is the nasty exhaust pipes the kids put on them. The louder your car is, the longer it takes to disappear from ear shot, thus making it seem slower.
My next car will 99% likely be VTEC (dream) powered.
agreed, something like spoon n1 exhaust, £900 second hand my mate paid, and they sound nasty
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