Arch pannels, or Quaters?

[MattBrown]

Abit of a debate, do I replace just the arches, and throw loads of filler along the whole length of the pannel.

Or, buy two quater pannels, and do it that way?

Any threads with detailed pics etc?

[craig green]

pics of your rot?

Filler on the weld lines is OK & normal, you do relise you'll have the lines in the pillars to get right, which is actually trickier?

[djbrowney]

And probaly nearley as much filler trying to get three lines right rather than one :)

[MattBrown]

Cant do pics, all been cut out now lol

Erm i dunno then, may try arches, and if not, quaters lol

[vaughanmc]

Post some pictures up of your rot mate as Craig said - I got 2 rear arches put on my Mk1, that way I know it's solid again and the filler is there to make it look nice and not hold it together

I know the words 'Nova and Filler' don't go but if it's there to make it nice and not there to hold it together I don't see it being a problem and it can be worked and worked until it's super smooth and flat

If you screw up putting a quarter on, nothing will line up correctly

Hope that helps a wee bit;

Cheers

[Andy]

agreed,do a arch panel 1st.If that monumentally ballses up then you have the quarter to fall back on.Balls that up-youre fukked,lol

[Benn]

In my eyes, you put a quarter on to a car you want to be perfect and will be keeping for some time.

Just put an arch on it. It will only have loads of filler if done badly.

[Iain]

I went for the quarters as I was told it was easier/neater than the lower lip repair. Having done it I reckon if I were to re-do a rear arch I'd use the lower repair panel. There's a lot more work with a spot weld drillbit to remove the quarter compared to cutting the lower lip off, and as said if you get the fitment wrong you'll have issues with the boot, lights, bumper, door, etc not lining up.

Don't use the full size of the repair panel and you'll have a few attempts at it as you can just use more of the next one (I cut a few inches off my quarter panels for this reason).

One area I've seen done badly is the line across the side of the car, you need to make sure you keep that straight and crisp or you can tell you've repaired the arch.

I fitted quarters to mine, but afterwarsd I did some (unplanned) DIY flaring when I found my wheels wouldn't fit so I've ended up using filler on both the pillars the bottom anyway! D'oh.

[moffat]

i done rear arch repair panels and actually ****ed them up, personally didnt fit them, was going to fit quarters to do a proper job but found a cleaner shell

[bmw156]

go for the arch repair or rear quarter.

do it once and do it right,

if you stuff it with filler the rot will just come back.

[Edd]

Thought you had bought a 10k minter Matt ?

[AlexW]

The thing is, you dont use loads of filler? I cannot think of when you would ever need "lots" of filler to do anything other than a bodge.

When you do the panel/welding you get it as close as perfect as possible and try to reduce warping, you should only need a thin skim of filler to remove any imperfections.

[MattBrown]

Thought you had bought a 10k minter Matt ?

Thats another car edd, this is the track car:thumb:

[MattBrown]

The thing is, you dont use loads of filler? I cannot think of when you would ever need "lots" of filler to do anything other than a bodge.

When you do the panel/welding you get it as close as perfect as possible and try to reduce warping, you should only need a thin skim of filler to remove any imperfections.

You skim the full length of the 1/4 pannel, so to me, this is alot of filler:)

[bazil]

Still easier that a quarter replacment, but if you are a confident welder and know how to do decent panel work then replacing a quarter is simple, but not a good idea to do one as a first time job,

[Stuart]

imho "a lot of filler" is when you are filling in something thats 5mm+ deep over a largeish area.

if its just a skim over a long join, then thats feck all filler.
You should see american hotrod and the tons of filler those douchebags use lol

[bazil]

Or bondo as they call it, bloody shocking, they must have shares in the company lol

[Iain]

You should see american hotrod and the tons of filler those douchebags use lol

They literally skim the whole car and shape a car out of it don't they lol

[vaughanmc]

When you do the panel/welding you get it as close as perfect as possible and try to reduce warping, you should only need a thin skim of filler to remove any imperfections.

Correct mate, nothing wrong with a skim of filler to smooth out/tidy up the finished job

Aslong as you don't 'make' the rear arches out of filler you should be fine :)

[fastcar1cars]

Im a panel beater and say replace as smaller panel as possible! If jus the arch is rotten jus replace that! You cant replicate factory acid primers as well as they do in the factory and 9 times out of 10 u will be mig plugging the panel on thus burning away any rust prevention you have applied!

[AlexW]

Correct mate, nothing wrong with a skim of filler to smooth out/tidy up the finished job

Aslong as you don't 'make' the rear arches out of filler you should be fine :)

Exactly.

This is lots of filler:
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh30/AW_06/Image0024.jpg

[Benn]

do it once and do it right,

if you stuff it with filler the rot will just come back.

No, as you are there to cut/remove all the rust out. So you'll be welding and filling clean metal.



You skim the full length of the 1/4 pannel, so to me, this is alot of filler:)

No, you dont fill the whole panel. You'll be skimming over the joins of the panels you wont be going much past the fill cap , unless you are replacing that too.
If dont right you'll use a very small amount of filler. As you sand back about 60% of what you put in.

If dont badly, then the panels will be warped and you'll need alot of filler. The door i bought was like this. It was shocking.

[MattBrown]

Ill give these arches a go then lol

I cba sanding filler by hand lol

[vaughanmc]

Carefully DA it then if you apply the filler smooth enough you should be able to DA it to a nice even finish :)

[Benn]

You'll need to sand it by hand to get it fully flat.

Da the top off, but use a long hard block to make it flat.

[Stuart]

I block sanded the vx repairs, it was great and no hassle at all

[Paul]

You'll need to sand it by hand to get it fully flat.

Da the top off, but use a long hard block to make it flat.

As this man says!

He is the paint guru.

And hes deffo 100% right about the long blocks.

[vaughanmc]

I'm going to be working on my rear arches on Saturday I think so I can get some pics if your interested :)

[MattBrown]

I'm going to be working on my rear arches on Saturday I think so I can get some pics if your interested :)

Go for it bud:thumb:

[mowgli]

Im a panel beater and say replace as smaller panel as possible! If jus the arch is rotten jus replace that! You cant replicate factory acid primers as well as they do in the factory and 9 times out of 10 u will be mig plugging the panel on thus burning away any rust prevention you have applied!

this is a nova we're talking about..........