View Full Version : XE in 4 door saloon, which fuel tank?
As per title. I have a mk2 4 door saloon which i'll be fitting an xe in, which was originally fitted with a 1.2 carb. The fuel filler on the tank enters at the rear, not the side like on a 2 door.
I'd prefer to have the external pump as per gte, not the internal pump/tank combo. What options do i have? mod the gte fuel tank with pipe at rear, swirl pot? any other ideas?
:)
Swirl pot in the boot or keep it full of fuel
Lol, might have to get a swirl pot in the boot then. Are they avaialble with fixings for normal rubber hoses?
something like one of these.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Alloy-fuel-swirl-pot-1L-2L-road-race-use-custom-/230497690991?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35aabba56f
what is the third outlet for?
Yeah saw them for sale on, i think it was Vs with 8mm outlets recently, but to do is safely it could do with being contained and you'll have to have to run two pumps
two pumps? really? how come?
1.2i saloon tank and either mod the fuel pump housing etc to run an exterior or deal with the fact its an in tank pump.
High and low pressure, one to feed the swirl pot and one to feed the engine, a plumbing diagram has been covered on here in the past
1.2i saloon tank and either mod the fuel pump housing etc to run an exterior or deal with the fact its an in tank pump.
Ran an in tank set up before, was s hit. Wouldn't you go for the swirl pot option?
High and low pressure, one to feed the swirl pot and one to feed the engine, a plumbing diagram has been covered on here in the past
I'm getting confused somewhere then, i thought you could run a swirl pot on single pump ok. so it'd run the second after the outlet on the pot?
Ran an in tank set up before, was s hit. Wouldn't you go for the swirl pot option?
Not worth it for the expense on a standard engine imo, if it was £5k worth of LET that might go bang if the standard swirl pot dried up then sure.
Take the in tank pump setup out and drop a tube into the bottom of the swirl pot, and run it to an exterior pump setup then
I'm getting confused somewhere then, i thought you could run a swirl pot on single pump ok. so it'd run the second after the outlet on the pot?
Fuel tank goes to low pressure pump goes to swirl pot, outlet goes to high pressure pump goes to engine, 3rd outlet is a return to the tank.
Not worth it for the expense on a standard engine imo, if it was £5k worth of LET that might go bang if the standard swirl pot dried up then sure.
Take the in tank pump setup out and drop a tube into the bottom of the swirl pot, and run it to an exterior pump setup then
It doesn't have an in tank pump atm, it's originally carb, nor is there an inspection hole in the floor, meaning if i had probs with it, i'd have to drop the tank.
i have read of using a certain fule filter which acts like a swirl pot. i have the part number somewhere. i have used a 1.2 spi 4dr tank with an astra mk3 in tank pump and it was fine even when giving it beans on an empty tank.
just cut a hole in the floor when you take the old un out. the dent bit is there already. :)
It doesn't have an in tank pump atm, it's originally carb, nor is there an inspection hole in the floor, meaning if i had probs with it, i'd have to drop the tank.
Which is why I said 1.2i tank, and either mod it to run an external pump, or just cope with the fact its in tank, if you really dont want an in tank pump, then mod the pump gubbings to work with an external pump. The other option is spend hundreds on a dedicated swirl pot and dual pump setup, which sure, is an option... but is it really worth it for 0 benefit over standard items for this engine? Assuming it is not going to have a huge speclist.
It was an XE before John, so what tank was it running then? Carb one?
It was an XE before John, so what tank was it running then? Carb one?
standard carb tank with external fuel pump lol
(got you a tube of sump sealer here too :) )
General Baxter
01-08-10, 08:27 PM
5 or 4 door spi tank with intermal mpi pump, how hard was that lol
5 or 4 door spi tank with intermal mpi pump, how hard was that lol
Not an option apparently lol
5 or 4 door spi tank with intermal mpi pump, how hard was that lol
read what i've put above. :thumb:
mazz no probs, i opened it and used about 5ml worth, so it does need using asap. You ever find those gsi clocks?
Not an option apparently lol
I'll ring you up to come and change it when it packs up. ;)
I'll ring you up to come and change it when it packs up. ;)
No hole in the floor is quite easily fixable :p
No hole in the floor is quite easily fixable :p
Ok, wanna come and cut a perfect hole in my floor? no thought not.
Out of interest what's up with using a spi tank with a mpi pump in it ?
I'm planning on using this set up for my Irmscher injection kit
Out of interest what's up with using a spi yank with a mpi pump in it ?
I'm planning on using this set up for my Irmscher injection kit
Most people who've done it found no problems, however on the one xe i did it on ran s hit. On every other xe nova i've had/driven i used the external pump set up with no problems at all. just personal preference i guess.
mine has internal and runs fine, also b+q sell huge hole cutters for £10
blue_peg_16v
01-08-10, 11:10 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Alloy-fuel-swirl-pot-1L-2L-road-race-use-custom-/230497690991?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item35aabba56f
cheap swirl pot
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Facet-Red-Top-Fuel-pump-/170518604569?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27b3b36b19
pump
the reason you need 2 pumps is the swirl pot will be above the tank so wont gravety feed so you need something like a facet to get the fuel to it then the normal mpi to take it to the engine
spi tank is the cheaper option, ive always run mpi so have no idea what there like
craig green
01-08-10, 11:10 PM
known as a lift pump...
blue_peg_16v
01-08-10, 11:15 PM
i have read of using a certain fule filter which acts like a swirl pot. i have the part number somewhere. i have used a 1.2 spi 4dr tank with an astra mk3 in tank pump and it was fine even when giving it beans on an empty tank.
doubt that the filler is nowere near the outlet so cant see that working
think i'll cut the gte tank up.
C612DNM
04-08-10, 12:29 PM
No need to cut it up.
Run a low pressure pump like a FACET red top from your existing tank outlet to a swirl pot (mount that in your spare wheel well), then run your HP pump out of that to the fuel rail, with the return from the engine into the swirl pot, and the return from the swirl pot to the tank.
part number of that filter is mann wk69/1 and is what alot of escort mk2 lads use for the job.
No need to cut it up.
Run a low pressure pump like a FACET red top from your existing tank outlet to a swirl pot (mount that in your spare wheel well), then run your HP pump out of that to the fuel rail, with the return from the engine into the swirl pot, and the return from the swirl pot to the tank.
Good reply, so would a basic facet like this work?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FACET-FUEL-PUMP-/320569773212?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4aa3728c9c
Could i run them both off the standard fuel pump relay?
16v-kev
23-12-10, 11:47 PM
john thanks for the info its a great help !
i will look into things as well
maddogdaz666
24-12-10, 01:32 AM
i run the spi tank with mpi pump on my xe nova no probs, it was the 3rd pump from the scrapyard later, but it worked no probs! all the way to the nurburgring, 7 laps of death, and back home!
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