1.6 engine codes

[Bigjames]

Hello all,

I appear to have been mis-sold what I thought was a 1.6 GTE engine, box and loom. I bought it a good while ago now so there's no chance of getting back in touch the the seller either. :confused:

I've discovered today that it isn't a E16SE but a 16SV instead.

After looking at some timing belt books etc, I believe the engine to be from a Cavalier or astra rather than a Nove GTE!! Gutted

I am now after some advice fot what to do?

I want to replace my 1.3 carb engine in my SR but is it worth fitting the 16SV engine instead?

What are the differences between the E16SE and 16SV engines?

Would fitting the 1.6 head/injection system to my 1.3 be worth the effort? and would it give much more performance? (I was thinking like a Nova Sprint??)

I hope that someone can suggest something

Thanks Guys

James

[John]

The 16sv was carb fed, in like you say the cav and astra.

No the 1.6 efi head and gubbins won't work on the 1.3 block.
Even the inlets won't match. E16se is round port, 1.3 cathederal port.

Why not fit the 1.6 sv on the twin choke 1.3 carb?

[Bigjames]

The engine I have definately has 16SV stamped in the block but its got the same type of injection system as the GTE? Does something sound wrong with that??

[John]

The engine I have definately has 16SV stamped in the block but its got the same type of injection system as the GTE? Does something sound wrong with that??

yeah someones fitted efi to it when it should have a twin choke carb as standard. Was it running?

[Bigjames]

no, the guy assured me it was though
it does turnover by hand and appears to have some compression
could the head/injection system be from a GTE then?

[garyc]

could it have had a new bottom end in its life ? Take the inlet off and see what shape the ports are.

[Bigjames]

Yes ok, I plan to strip it down today.

What would be the differences between the 16SV and E16SE engines? Different block/head/cam/compression?

And can the SV block made to be the same or better spec as the SE?

Thanks Again

James

[Sloth]

no real difference, its the same motor just the gte is injected.

[Bigjames]

no real difference, its the same motor just the gte is injected.

So am I right in assuming the set up I have 'should' produce 100 bhp like the GTE??

Another thing I have discovered since stripping the motor down today is that the inlet manifold has round ports and the head has squared of ports. This isn't right either is it???

[bazil]

It's not an e16 head then, iirc the e16 head will give you a better compresion ratio.

[Bigjames]

As I have the engine stripped down, what would be the thing to do now? I'm stuck for ideas???

[mowgli]

try to find either a e16se/c16se or c14se head & fit it. it should run ok

[Bigjames]

I also have a running 1.3 SR engine in the car, would that head be any good??

[bazil]

nope, cathedral port iirc it was in another thread recently

[Bigjames]

Is the shape of the ports the only issue with these heads that I have? Port matching the manifold isn't a problem for me to do? As long as that is the only issue???
Thanks for your patience!!

[bazil]

no the different head give different compression ratio, im still learning about different effects of heads on different engines aswell, all id do is try to get a e16 head,

there was a full complete e16 engine in the for sale section for £50 the other day, buy it it would be easier lol

[Bigjames]

Yes I agree with what you are saying, but as its already cost me money, I was hoping to explore all avenues with the parts I already have?

A couple more things I'd like to know,
Is there any identification marks on the cylinder heads to establish what block they go on?
And is there any likelyhood that the valves in the head off my 1.6 engine, could be larger than the 1.3 valves? Just a thought??

[mk1nova_rich]

I would look for one of the heads that mowgli suggested, and fit that rather than mess about swapping valves or port matching etc

[Bigjames]

Ok, thanks for your input guys!

[craig green]

Who says the head on the engine isnt a GTE/SE head anyway?

My guess would be the bottom end knocked on a GTE engine & the only bottom end available from a scarpyard was the AStra/Cav lump. I guess an assumption was made they are the same.

Before you run off & buy another head. See what you have.

Pics of the port shapes & piston crowns as you disassemble the engine will be a great help.

[bazil]

square ports mate

[Bigjames]

Who says the head on the engine isnt a GTE/SE head anyway?

My guess would be the bottom end knocked on a GTE engine & the only bottom end available from a scarpyard was the AStra/Cav lump. I guess an assumption was made they are the same.

Before you run off & buy another head. See what you have.

Pics of the port shapes & piston crowns as you disassemble the engine will be a great help.
Thanks Craig,

I have the head on my workbench so I will sort some pictures as soon as I can.

[craig green]

Port shape & combustion chambers/valves.

Likewise a shot of the pistons in the bores (just one) so we can identify or predict if its any use.

[mk1nova_rich]

any luck yet mate?

[Bigjames]

Sorry for the delay guys!

here are some pictures for you.

The pistons

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/1853/dsc00730c.jpg (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/dsc00730c.jpg/)

The engine Number 16SV 02H63113

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1006/dsc00734cy.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/dsc00734cy.jpg/)

The combustion chamber on the Cylinder Head

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2304/dsc00738cp.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/dsc00738cp.jpg/)

The ports on the head

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7384/dsc00739.jpg (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc00739.jpg/)

I hope this helps the diagnosis!

Thanks again
James

[Sloth]

looks like a carb head and block.

[phunkynova]

Yep that's 100% not a 16SE head. The ones fitted to the GTE/GSI have round inlet port's so you can't just put the injection system on to this head they will not match up.

[Bigjames]

So do I just need to find a E16SE/C16SE head then?

[mowgli]

yes.

[Bigjames]

Next question then, do I need to aquire a complete GTE head or can I get a a bare head and use the cam/valves/etc that I already have in the carb head??

[mowgli]

try & get a complete one. i'm guessing the cam might be a bit small on the 16sv, but i'm not certain

[phunkynova]

Sorry can't help you here but I would think more no than yes, hope some one comes up with the answer for you. :)

[Bigjames]

Thanks for all your help guys, I'll keep you all posted!!
James