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Belongs to someone in London.
Poor old LET, being humiliated like that!!
My only hope is that that is a Calibra Liberated LET
Thats well on the piss, did facepalm fit it?
And chances are its not in London as dvla hold no details for it, id say thats an irish motor:thumb:
Poor old LET, being humiliated like that!!
The garlic and plastic will break soon then the engine can go to a good home.
General Baxter
14-07-10, 10:51 PM
a cav ?
The garlic and plastic will break soon then the engine can go to a good home.
a cav ?
+Rep:thumb:
General Baxter
14-07-10, 10:53 PM
Escalade ?
Escalade ?
Would think size of bay would rule that out.. Plus you dont want anything less than a V8 in one of them...
have to say, given a 106 weighs about as much as What spud didnt eat at Billing, a LET with some degree of tune (look at the exhaust manifold) is going to be MENTALLY fast in there
comptoncj
14-07-10, 11:06 PM
have to say, given a 106 weighs about as much as What spud didnt eat at Billing, a LET with some degree of tune (look at the exhaust manifold) is going to be MENTALLY fast in there
I was thinking that lol, wonder what gearbox its running though?
have to say, given a 106 weighs about as much as What spud didnt eat at Billing, a LET with some degree of tune (look at the exhaust manifold) is going to be MENTALLY fast in there
Kerb weight 925 kg
Would have been better off in a Nova, or even a Corsa B lol
Apparently its running 340bhp
MattBrown
14-07-10, 11:20 PM
925kg?
I thought they were 735kg.
Not a chance theyre nearly a tonne
djbrowney
14-07-10, 11:23 PM
wow matt where did you get your -rep from lol are you good buddies with naplanmymumshowsmehowtow2nk ???
some must have put a fair bit of though into that, fair play must go like **** :)
paul james
14-07-10, 11:24 PM
925kg?
I thought they were 735kg.
Not a chance theyre nearly a tonne
Same as novas i guess, 1.0 don't even get a cigarette lighter models weigh a whole lot less than the super luxurious gsi etc
Don't other car manufacturers make decent engines? old vaux 2.0's turn up in everything now. Or are redtops and lets simply so abundant, that people have to stick them in other cars because they will be lying around on street corners unused the world over otherwise...
meh lol
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs319.snc3/28594_10150201519285268_879775267_12671477_1046785 _n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=12757769&id=879775267)
to be fair it seems like a pretty good conversion to me,
decent powered engine in a very good handling car, i would expect that it would outhandle most equivalent c20let powered hatches
I once did an xe conversion into a 306,
At a guess i'd say he's still using a f28 with custom driveshafts
925kg?
I thought they were 735kg.
Not a chance theyre nearly a tonne
They are fully equipped,although on saying that google has varying answers click (http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&&sa=X&ei=LTs-TPGtF4yOjAffqKT5Aw&ved=0CCUQBSgA&q=How+much+does+a+peugeot+106+GTi+weight&spell=1&fp=107293120cb1b772) and obviously different specs weigh different amounts but I think a Nova is one of the lightest mass production cars around as a base spec Nova is 735KG (835 for GTE/GSi) obviously old Mini's are less and maybe things like Citroen 2CV's but they're just tin and rivets.
Same as novas i guess, 1.0 don't even get a cigarette lighter models weigh a whole lot less than the super luxurious gsi etc
Don't other car manufacturers make decent engines? old vaux 2.0's turn up in everything now. Or are redtops and lets simply so abundant, that people have to stick them in other cars because they will be lying around on street corners unused the world over otherwise...
2.0 Vauxhall and Ford engines seem to be the most common, but seeing a C20XE in a few fords and not a YB or Pinto engine (or what ever choices the ford boys have) does say something.
Their isn't much point in putting a Pinto in
craig green
15-07-10, 12:26 AM
Their isn't much point in putting a Pinto in
other than for keeping something original. You can get reasonable power from them, tuning parts galore.
I think its flattering seeing that lump in there tbh. :d
There was a 3dr Cossie rep with a LET in not so long ago. Probably cheaper than a YB!
I suppose they are cheap too. Just don;t like seeing Pinto'd Vauxhalls
Pinto? Whats one of them?
craig green
15-07-10, 12:29 AM
vvanky old 8v ford engine.. from the 70's.
Why would anyone want to use that then?
I thought XE/LET/SEH were ancient.
XE/LET/SEH are ancient, 20XE was first used in the Astra GTE ? LET in the Cav/Calibra, SEH in, err Astra?
Angus Closier
15-07-10, 12:58 AM
Pintos dont produce "great" power tbh.....however people still use them.... That 106 would be fast I imagine.....I guess a let in anything under a ton would be fast!
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 06:55 AM
XE/LET/SEH are ancient, 20XE was first used in the Astra GTE ? LET in the Cav/Calibra, SEH in, err Astra?
seh mk2 cav sri
i would own it, probley got alot less rust than a nova aswelllol
i would own it, probley got alot less rust than a nova aswelllol
Rust is lighter than metal. it's a poor mans carbon fibre. :)
I'm skipping to the end and throwing my hat in the ring saying he would have been better off staying TU and then he would be raping LET's lol
What a waste of a LET,
106/saxo handle like crap and will be shocking with that weight up front, fact.
craig green
15-07-10, 01:02 PM
106/saxo handle like crap and will be shocking with that weight up front, fact.
In all honesty that statement wont run true with peoples opinions, french cars are some of the best handling FWD cars going. (if you like tail happy, nervous hatches). By comparison Novas are understeering luke warm hatch backs.
the lift off oversteer on 106's is bad enough standard, but with 350bhp its just gonna spin and kill you if you even consider backing off the throttle round a corner
Iv seen a few Saxo/106's with the 1.6 16v that were as quick as my XE nova round Lydden.
the lift off oversteer on 106's is bad enough standard, but with 350bhp its just gonna spin and kill you if you even consider backing off the throttle round a corner
Lift off over steer in the 1.9 diesel Clio my mum used to drive was comical. My mates 106 rallye is a touch on the twitch side, keep you one your toes tho.
That's if and only if you get it off the drive without having to drive bare footed
ben doodar
15-07-10, 01:12 PM
106'S handle ace I had one for a while with just lowered springs n skidmoredieyoung tyres n it still handled better than my nova.
I can imagine the weight will ulter the handling though. I just put the picture on my fbook so my nova hatin pugeot lovin mates can c it. Haha. I've seen let's in 205gti and 306 before.
craig green
15-07-10, 01:20 PM
I hate the things, but probably my finest moment in a car was a borrowed ph1 106 Rallye when I was at Uni.
To quote Richard Hammond in a Bowler wild cat, 'I am a driving god!'.
In all honesty that statement wont run true with peoples opinions, french cars are some of the best handling FWD cars going. (if you like tail happy, nervous hatches). By comparison Novas are understeering luke warm hatch backs.
Maybe so but, after owning one I think they are ****e, constantly worrying about what the rear ends going to unpredictably, CRAP build quality, with a let in there all the weak crap front end suspension components will break without it even moving.
Maybe some people do like the back stepping out, electrics that allways go wrong, **** build quality, torsion beams from the dark ages etc, but I'm not one of them.
Edd, if torsion beams are so bad, why are they used on F1 cars?
the first thing people in this country do with a hot hatch is lower it, then they over tyre it. a std sporty 106/205/306 handles brilliantly. but some cars really don't work very well when lowered...
GRUNT 16V
15-07-10, 01:57 PM
I own a 106 gti they do go fairly well but the rear axles gearboxes etc are utter sh1te
Difference of opinions I guess, personally I hate French hot hatchs, r5, 106, saxo, 172, 306, all are turd IMO.
Having own a 106 and having a good friend that has many of the above I know they are brittle in every aspect, and cost a fortune to maintain.
As I said some people love em, but there not for me.
i suppose i'm lucky in that i've only ever driven newish ones belonging to other people. but i'd still have a 205 gti 1.9,
I love the R5 GTT, 1.9 205 GTi and for some reason fancy a 306 turbo weasel, but I've got a big fetish for the 1.9 GTi 205. Am I banned yet? lol
paul james
15-07-10, 02:12 PM
I had a Pug 205 1.9 for a while once. Foolishly didn't question that the seller didn't want me to test drive it myself, and that it was so cheap. Bent rear beam, lowered way too much, brakes that wouldn't work, and it didn't seem fast - but then I wasn't going to test it out too much given the previously mentioned flaws meant it was a muderous death trap.
Swapped it for a Nova, much happier drivings!
you've hit on the problem of all over lowered pugs..... the suspension bottoms out on the dampers, and oversteer ahoy
In all honesty that statement wont run true with peoples opinions, french cars are some of the best handling FWD cars going. (if you like tail happy, nervous hatches). By comparison Novas are understeering luke warm hatch backs.
Agree totally.
The real issue is, in standard form you only have to worry about the glovebox falling out. With that engine installed, the whole dashboard will probably make a bid for freedom as well lol
Agree totally.
The real issue is, in standard form you only have to worry about the glovebox falling out. With that engine installed, the whole dashboard will probably make a bid for freedom as well lol
By unattaching the front end of the car from the back lol
Maybe so but, after owning one I think they are ****e, constantly worrying about what the rear ends going to unpredictably, CRAP build quality, with a let in there all the weak crap front end suspension components will break without it even moving.
Maybe some people do like the back stepping out, electrics that allways go wrong, **** build quality, torsion beams from the dark ages etc, but I'm not one of them.
And I suppose a Nova isnt?? Oh hang on, what happens when you shove a LET into a standard Nova, oh yeas it rips the front end to pieces. You seriously assuming that whoevers owns that LET'd 106 has just left everything else completely standard??? Orly.... deluded or not quite thinking straight you are.
Although saying that, everyone knows a Nova Turbo is THEE fastest thing on the plant :tard:
And I suppose a Nova isnt?? Oh hang on, what happens when you shove a LET into a standard Nova, oh yeas it rips the front end to pieces. You seriously assuming that whoevers owns that LET'd 106 has just left everything else completely standard??? Orly.... deluded or not quite thinking straight you are.
Although saying that, everyone knows a Nova Turbo is THEE fastest thing on the plant :tard:
For one a mk 2 Nova is better built than a 106. Fact. Iv owned both so I know.
Deluded no, thinking straight yes.
106's are complete turd just like your opinion :d
Maybe the owner has updated some of the suspension components etc but he will have more problems that a let'd nova that's for sure.
Just for the record I don't think a turbo Nova is the fastest thing on earth, never owned one, no desire to do so either, so like you I am not in a position to comment.
Wait, a turbo Nova ISN'T the fastest thing on earth? I've been mislead all this time :(
paul james
15-07-10, 07:03 PM
Wait, a turbo Nova ISN'T the fastest thing on earth? I've been mislead all this time :(
Sorry Superman and The Flash are still faster than a Nova
Sorry Superman and The Flash are still faster than a Nova
No waiiiiiiii??? :cry:
It's ok guys Mike is just deluded lol
For one a mk 2 Nova is better built than a 106. Fact. Iv owned both so I know.
Deluded no, thinking straight yes.
106's are complete turd just like your opinion :d
Maybe the owner has updated some of the suspension components etc but he will have more problems that a let'd nova that's for sure.
Just for the record I don't think a turbo Nova is the fastest thing on earth, never owned one, no desire to do so either, so like you I am not in a position to comment.
I struggle to believe any Nova is made better then any 106 :tard: and Ive owned, raced & rallied plenty of both!
My opinion might be turd in your eyes, but its true so meh.
It's ok guys Mike is just deluded lol
Hightly doubt that, just I dont have blinkers when it comes to any other marque of car other then GM :roll:
Joe Richardson
15-07-10, 08:29 PM
That's nothing,this is proper 106 :d
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1807918.htm
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 08:31 PM
hummmmmm!!!!!!!!
hummmmmm!!!!!!!!
Hmmmmm indeed, shame its got 207 RC decals tho :tard:
Joe Richardson
15-07-10, 08:33 PM
Hmmmmm indeed, shame its got 207 RC decals tho :tard:
4x4 cosworth though mate,wil be ****ing mental !!!!!!
see you later porsche and all that **** !!!!
4x4 cosworth though mate,wil be ****ing mental !!!!!!
see you later porsche and all that **** !!!!
Sherlock Holmes I see??
lol
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 08:36 PM
joes realized were bears poo lol
Joe Richardson
15-07-10, 08:40 PM
all im saying is,that will be ****ing quick !!!!!!!!
all im saying is,that will be ****ing quick !!!!!!!!
The Escort/Sierra the donor engine was out of would have be fcuking quick an all :)
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 08:42 PM
all im saying is,that will be ****ing quick !!!!!!!!
i was agreeing joe lol
Joe Richardson
15-07-10, 08:45 PM
lol lol lol
my mates friend is getting his 106 upgraded as we speak, was the guy that built c20 tbo on here, its already 4wd with a yb, its red on passionford under martin hayland i think hes called, and is at his place gettin upgraded to aroung 660bhp with everything to match box/diff etc, will be proper mental im guessing, will still be an ugly car at the end of the day unlike the nova but will handle unlike a nova (maybe)lol
MattBrown
15-07-10, 08:54 PM
The one built by Rayland motorsport mrT?
Its stupid, but, its so stupid, the shell will twist and break, which is what makes it cool.
Novas, and 106's, are identical? They are cheap, ****, wanc cars made to move old women, to the shops and back, the GTI is a bit of a laugh etc, but if you want something stupid fast, buy a stupid fast car.
People who have them all hate them, as they break like fook, but as with any mechanical device, it has a limit, and 150bhp, through a shaft thats an inch thick, in the end, it will workharden and snap:)
and 150bhp, through a shaft thats an inch thick, in the end, it will workharden and snap:)
204hp on standard shafts no problems ;) (XSi not GTi tho)
The one built by Rayland motorsport mrT?
Its stupid, but, its so stupid, the shell will twist and break, which is what makes it cool.
Novas, and 106's, are identical? They are cheap, ****, wanc cars made to move old women, to the shops and back, the GTI is a bit of a laugh etc, but if you want something stupid fast, buy a stupid fast car.
People who have them all hate them, as they break like fook, but as with any mechanical device, it has a limit, and 150bhp, through a shaft thats an inch thick, in the end, it will workharden and snap:)
yeah thats the one, the guy thats getting it done doesnt cut standards, the shell has been prepped properly and he,ll build it so its reliable, hes done a few motors including a corsa turbo/306 4wd cossie and all are still perfect, its just the usual if u do it proper then its reliable(ish)lol
yeah thats the one, the guy thats getting it done doesnt cut standards, the shell has been prepped properly and he,ll build it so its reliable, hes done a few motors including a corsa turbo/306 4wd cossie and all are still perfect, its just the usual if u do it proper then its reliable(ish)lol
Andrew Burton?
Joe Richardson
15-07-10, 09:03 PM
Andrew Burton?
legend
General Baxter
15-07-10, 09:04 PM
pug shafts are crap, i managed to snap 306 TD shafts on a std td lol
legend
Built his 306 rally car in his chicken shed. Apparently :confused:
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 09:05 PM
The one built by Rayland motorsport mrT?
Its stupid, but, its so stupid, the shell will twist and break, which is what makes it cool.
Novas, and 106's, are identical? They are cheap, ****, wanc cars made to move old women, to the shops and back, the GTI is a bit of a laugh etc, but if you want something stupid fast, buy a stupid fast car.
People who have them all hate them, as they break like fook, but as with any mechanical device, it has a limit, and 150bhp, through a shaft thats an inch thick, in the end, it will workharden and snap:)
novas are very reliable in standard trim its just were all numpties and fit none standard engines and make them totaly unreliable lol
saying that the loon has been fine for a while lol
Andrew Burton?
no sorry wrong person, all the motors are built low key with no build threads anywhere which is a shame as there second to none tbh....when he built the nova it destroyed everything and pushed a noble out its way on the way to silverstone after the c**k waved and laughedlol , could keep up with new 600cc bikes etc and absolutley kills evos like there stood still so god knows what he wants to race with it, i think he said he was gonna enter it into some competition against all the big tuners but not sure what it was as ive lost intrest due to work commitments, if u know more than me it was the thing where that blue esc cosworth got destroyed and rebuilt whateva competition it was
MattBrown
15-07-10, 09:20 PM
Built his 306 rally car in his chicken shed. Apparently :confused:
No aparently about it mike.
He did, and he did everything, from the seat rails, to the big ends.
Its a 4wd, spaceframed 306, with a kevlar icelandic hilldclimbing shell on top.
Google "Andy burton 306"
Man is a rallying hero:thumb:
Andrew Burton?
Dear lordy lord the guy can pedal a car. One of the highlights of the BRTDA is hearing that thing howling through the woods.
He drives like McCrae though. Balls out everywhere. I think every rally i've watched him in he would wipe the floor with everything, but he's never finished the stages due to mechanical issues or stuffing it into trees :d
16v Nova Kev
15-07-10, 09:22 PM
That's nothing,this is proper 106 :d
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1807918.htm
jesus thats awesome:cool:
Dear lordy lord the guy can pedal a car. One of the highlights of the BRTDA is hearing that thing howling through the woods.
He drives like McCrae though. Balls out everywhere. I think every rally i've watched him in he would wipe the floor with everything, but he's never finished the stages due to mechanical issues or stuffing it into trees :d
Oh yea, he can drive alright!!
No aparently about it mike.
He did, and he did everything, from the seat rails, to the big ends.
Its a 4wd, spaceframed 306, with a kevlar icelandic hilldclimbing shell on top.
Google "Andy burton 306"
Man is a rallying hero:thumb:
Mr Matt, you sincerely do not need to educate me on that car, its owner or its build ;) as I know that youve simply seen my post stating his name, googled it, looked up his homepage for the last ten minutes & copyed & pasted a brief spec from there :thumb:
Or if im wrong, Im guessing youll also know about Pat's RS200 & his new Fiesta aswell then?
CoolTiger
15-07-10, 09:31 PM
What a waste of a LET,
106/saxo handle like crap and will be shocking with that weight up front, fact.
you chat utter bollox lol
you chat utter bollox lol
Pretty much what I said but he refuses to believe it :confused: only the same theory as a Nova with stupidly big engine in the front, but modified they seem to handle fine, much like a 106?
16v Nova Kev
15-07-10, 09:33 PM
you chat utter bollox lol
seconded they handle well:thumb:
CoolTiger
15-07-10, 09:34 PM
The one built by Rayland motorsport mrT?
Its stupid, but, its so stupid, the shell will twist and break, which is what makes it cool.
Novas, and 106's, are identical? They are cheap, ****, wanc cars made to move old women, to the shops and back, the GTI is a bit of a laugh etc, but if you want something stupid fast, buy a stupid fast car.
People who have them all hate them, as they break like fook, but as with any mechanical device, it has a limit, and 150bhp, through a shaft thats an inch thick, in the end, it will workharden and snap:)
flaw in the shaft
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 09:34 PM
Mr Matt, you sincerely do not need to educate me on that car, its owner or its build ;) as I know that youve simply seen my post stating his name, googled it, looked up his homepage for the last ten minutes & copyed & pasted a brief spec from there :thumb:
Or if im wrong, Im guessing youll also know about Pat's RS200 & his new Fiesta aswell then?
are pats the rally cross stuff isnt his son driving a fiesta too
if its the ones im thinking of int the rs200 the old car?
MattBrown
15-07-10, 09:35 PM
Mr Matt, you sincerely do not need to educate me on that car, its owner or its build ;) as I know that youve simply seen my post stating his name, googled it, looked up his homepage for the last ten minutes & copyed & pasted a brief spec from there :thumb:
Or if im wrong, Im guessing youll also know about Pat's RS200 & his new Fiesta aswell then?
I do a bit with the rallying lads on the side, no google used here mate:thumb:
Pats rs200? Is this the yb lumped one? A red one?
Its a v6 cosworth out of a foreighn touring car, with more mods.
And according to "folk rumour" every rally he has finished, he has won:thumb:
are pats the rally cross stuff isnt his son driving a fiesta too
Yep, thats the man, Pat Doran, uttermost nutcase in a car!
CoolTiger
15-07-10, 09:36 PM
Pretty much what I said but he refuses to believe it :confused: only the same theory as a Nova with stupidly big engine in the front, but modified they seem to handle fine, much like a 106? mines handles great only little 1600 up front but i can throw it into anycorner and know its going to stick it spins the inside wheel before understeer only problem is with lowerd ones the weight load adjuster on the back think you have a full car and throw lots of brakes to the back - back end twitchy easy fix tho
I do a bit with the rallying lads on the side, no google used here mate:thumb:
Pats rs200? Is this the yb lumped one? A red one?
Its a v6 cosworth out of a foreighn touring car, with more mods.
And according to "folk rumour" every rally he has finished, he has won:thumb:
Red? You mean white with red Hydrex graph (was last time i saw it anyway)? 2.1 with a T66, 750+hp 600lbft no V6 Touring engine here??
Dont know if hes won "Every" event, but hes certainly won a ****load!!!
BTW the 4x4 Fiesta is also his, all 550hp of it lol
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 09:39 PM
Yep, thats the man, Pat Doran, uttermost nutcase in a car!
watched one race a few months ago and he was renting the rs200 to another driver for that event the engine ended up a smokey mess think his son won with him second was on motors tv so probably from last year the rs finished 4th in a ploom of smoke lol
was white and black with hydrex logos on that too
watched one race a few months ago and he was renting the rs200 to another driver for that event the engine ended up a smokey mess think his son won with him second was on motors tv so probably from last year the rs finished 4th in a ploom of smoke lol
was white and black with hydrex logos on that too
Wouldnt suprise me, when it runs it foooooking like a missile! When it breaks, its does it proper! Hes been sponsored ny Hydrex since er, forever?? When rallycross used to be at Silverstone he was sponsered by them, how long ago was that!!
Dear lordy lord the guy can pedal a car. One of the highlights of the BRTDA is hearing that thing howling through the woods.
He drives like McCrae though. Balls out everywhere. I think every rally i've watched him in he would wipe the floor with everything, but he's never finished the stages due to mechanical issues or stuffing it into trees :d
hi, have you got any links mate, i love the older generation in their mk1/2s doing the rallying in ireland videos on them, my mates got lots of videos in fook me they are responsive/rapid engines for an oldie and they aint scared either, maybe dont win but really good to watch:thumb:
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 09:44 PM
no idea but there was no one near him and his son who also has the hydrex sponsorship on the fiesta from what i remember on of the fiestas is white and black and the other white and red
hi, have you got any links mate, i love the older generation in their mk1/2s doing the rallying in ireland videos on them, my mates got lots of videos in fook me they are responsive/rapid engines for an oldie and they aint scared either, maybe dont win but really good to watch:thumb:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWZMQ4A-FWw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YnmitFtvtc&feature=related
Thats the badger :)
ive got some vids i took myself somewhere, unless I lost them in my last PC death :(
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 09:49 PM
pat and liam in one pic
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm71/richardmee/tw_l71091.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWZMQ4A-FWw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YnmitFtvtc&feature=related
cheers bud:d ill have a look
^ Pat & his lad yea, was just noseying the BTDRA site on cars/drivers. I knew his lad used to drive his (Pats) red/white Fiesta, didnt realise Liam had one aswell?
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 10:05 PM
^ Pat & his lad yea, was just noseying the BTDRA site on cars/drivers. I knew his lad used to drive his (Pats) red/white Fiesta, didnt realise Liam had one aswell?
entry list from mallory 09 under super cars
http://www.motorstv.com/car/rally/british-rallycross/16102009/rallycross-mallory-park-entry-list
got a c4 by the looks now
entry list from mallory 09 under super cars
http://www.motorstv.com/car/rally/british-rallycross/16102009/rallycross-mallory-park-entry-list
got a c4 by the looks now
Good find :)
I only keep up with this (No22 & 23)
http://www.rallybrc.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=399:2010-service-g-update&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=104
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 10:14 PM
im liking the look of mallory on 12th september only £13 advanced tickets for the rally cross could make a good png day out lol
is now my back up for my birthday if btcc dosent go ahead at donnington on the 19th there was a drift thing there the other day tho so fingures crossed
im liking the look of mallory on 12th september only £13 advanced tickets for the rally cross could make a good png day out lol
is now my back up for my birthday if btcc dosent go ahead at donnington on the 19th there was a drift thing there the other day tho so fingures crossed
i'd be up for that.. mallory is 5 miles from me
i'd be up for that.. mallory is 5 miles from me
was just thinking the same, its not far from me either.
thats the only bad thing about (living in the north east of scotland before you start)lol
ps--apart from the junkies haha.....
oh, it must be hell, all those open roads..... and whisky to drink of an evening......
lol
oh, it must be hell, all those open roads..... and whisky to drink of an evening......
the roads are great and the whiskys even better mixed with stellalol but you'd be surprised on the amount of police here now-adays, ive got away a good few times but wouldnt try it now as u've no chance in a nova :d
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 11:19 PM
dont worry give it a few months and with the goverments cuts there will be feck all police to worry you lol
now this is a 106...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz4WBKz4rPI
another vid of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXkrvuRer1s&feature=related
dont worry give it a few months and with the goverments cuts there will be feck all police to worry you lol
lol very true,although im sensible nowadays and my 1.4 clio aint gonna hurt no-one,(they handle extremley well imo) until the 172 is on the go or c20 tbo sells me the nov which he wont :cry: ,needs a visit though:d i like ur nova but not keen on the saloon(personal thing) its very nice but just not me, love the colour though....
ps---burn the vectra...their sh*t haha
blue_peg_16v
15-07-10, 11:38 PM
you would like the colour same as your old 2.0 8v lol
and as for it being a loon i bought it as a run about when my hatch was nicked and i got a bit carried away lol
also when i started it no one did loons so it was different now everyone is building them
and the mrs will be having the vectra
craig green
15-07-10, 11:44 PM
you chat utter bollox lol
Edd had a decent lowish mileage example of a 106 XSi & it was sh1t, as have been all the other French cars our mates own. Maybe its the proper roads around somerset where we live that destroy french cars, but amongst our little group of mates, it aint the Novas that need new steering & suspension components every month.
And as for handling, its a funny debate, but Novas easily overtake certain french hot hatches off the gas. I agree Novas are boringish to pilot, but just because French cars give you sweaty palms or a bigger smile doesnt make them the best.
you would like the colour same as your old 2.0 8v lol
and as for it being a loon i bought it as a run about when my hatch was nicked and i got a bit carried away lol
also when i started it no one did loons so it was different now everyone is building them
and the mrs will be having the vectra
it is a nice very colour lol , but now look for a shell as you'd sell urs for good money and get a decent three door hatch for good dollar, as for the vectra its a perfect motor for the wife, so good luck but sort the shells as theirs some right clowwns ont he go the now lol
Edd had a 106 XSi & it was sh1t, as have been all the other French cars our mates own. Maybe its the proper roads around somerset where we live that destroy french cars, but amongst our little group of mates, it aint the Novas that need new steering & suspension components every month.
And as for handling, its a funny debate, but Novas easily overtake certain french hot hatches off the gas. I agree Novas are boringish to pilot, but just because French cars give you sweaty palms or a bigger smile doesnt make them the best.
well i disagree, yes novas ant tat ****e although they are very vaguei know for a fact a clio would destroy a nova on the corners, put them side by side, a nova on any suspension and the other on half as good and to be fair there is no comparision...ok the clio is a newer design etc and should be better but it is, and by a large amount amount at that,,,,,
dont get me wrong i think a nova is a nicer car but when it comes to corners there is no Q's its miles out, also a standard xe aint quick enough against a 172.....FACT
craig green
16-07-10, 12:16 AM
depends on the corner tbh.
Fast dual carriageway bend (clio = winner)
twisty, bumpey country lane (nova = winner)
This debate could go on foerever, I'm not overly biased towards Novas, I am living in the real world, but Novas are exceptionally capable & very durable cars.
depends on the corner tbh.
Fast dual carriageway bend (clio = winner)
twisty, bumpey country lane (nova = winner)
This debate could go on foerever, I'm not overly biased towards Novas, I am living in the real world, but Novas are exceptionally capable & very durable cars.
well sorry but i dont agree.....twisty and bumpy/country i think the nov would be miles behind,
craig green
16-07-10, 12:27 AM
well sorry but i dont agree.....twisty and bumpy/country i think the nov would be miles behind,
Ok if we cant agree to disagree.
You obvioulsy cant pedal a Nova properly! lol
[quote=craig green]Ok if we cant agree to disagree.
You obvioulsy cant pedal a Nova properly! lol[/quo
lol love it :bullsht: hahaha
well sorry but i dont agree.....twisty and bumpy/country i think the nov would be miles behind,
Maybe if it had a V6 in the front of it with massive understeer (where's Jack when you need him to confirm this lol )
Maybe if it had a V6 in the front of it with massive understeer (where's Jack when you need him to confirm this lol )
no but as i said the clio is a newer car but if they were the same(as in power wise) then the clio is milesahead, a proper tweaked 172 would keep up with him all day long, the only one in this sh*t thats been good on the track is the green n/a xe i think its dar, ive watched lee/ollie from mig and yeah they are very quick but dont feel planted and are very twitchy cars which is far from ideal(very tail happy and front in negative)...yes maybe as i dont know they are quick but as is driveability they look a nightmare to me.....only beat on raw power and nothing else
it may be my thiughts only but im honest and wont back u if it aint up to it......SIMPLE
I aint going to argue really, but I've been in a 1.6 8v twin 40'd Nova sitting on the **** of a BMW's 172's and many other cars round the twistys, if a small block with 120-130 BHP can do it I'm sure a well set up XE could do it.
PNG llandow trackday... 3 years ago ??
Friend of mine (who is a much better driver) took my 1600 T40 out for half the day and told me that it was much much better than his 172 in terms of handling and overall track performance; despite being 30hp down. i was shocked by this.... but a trackday at oultonpark in the 172 totally confirmed it
Maybe if it had a V6 in the front of it with massive understeer (where's Jack when you need him to confirm this lol )
Busy reversing the Nova out of a hedge.
Novas, and 106's, are identical? They are cheap, ****, wanc cars made to move old women, to the shops and back, the GTI is a bit of a laugh etc, but if you want something stupid fast, buy a stupid fast car.
For once, I agree with you!
People who have them all hate them, as they break like fook, but as with any mechanical device, it has a limit, and 150bhp, through a shaft thats an inch thick, in the end, it will workharden and snap
Torque will snap a shaft, not bhp. 200lbft here and no snappage :) Mind you, thats not french metal lol
I was going to buy a 106 GTi ages ago, but went for the Nova instead simply as a saloon came up at the right time - did have a good look at a few though. The problem is, we're so used to modified Novas we forget how crap the standard ones are, and comparing standard for standard a 106 is faster, handles better, has more equipment, is newer, and arguably looks better. As for build quality, Novas probably do have the edge but its not like the outlook is particularly rosy on the GM side here. Massive factory tolerances anyone? lol
If I had to sell the saloon tomorrow, a 106 GTi would probably still be high on my list.
MattBrown
16-07-10, 09:40 AM
So it is bhp then, as bhp, is Torque x something, devided by 5252 revs isnt it?
MattBrown
16-07-10, 09:44 AM
Use the general horsepower formula to determine brake horsepower of the engine. The formula states horsepower = Torque, foot-lb X rpm/5252. Substituting values, horsepower = 268 X 2400/5252 = 122.47 brake horsepower.
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So, in theory, at 5252rpm, the torque and bhp cuves should "pass through" each other?
So, in theory, at 5252rpm, the torque and bhp cuves should "pass through" each other?
even i know that the above statement contains enough innaccuracies to start an argument, but i'm not getting involved
.a 106 is faster, handles better, has more equipment, is newer, and arguably looks better.
Now I know you're gay
Use the general horsepower formula to determine brake horsepower of the engine. The formula states horsepower = Torque, foot-lb X rpm/5252. Substituting values, horsepower = 268 X 2400/5252 = 122.47 brake horsepower.
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So, in theory, at 5252rpm, the torque and bhp cuves should "pass through" each other?
'power' is mearly the measure of the rate of torque generated.
and its not "in theory" its FACT that at 5252RPM BHP and lbft WILL be the same (if not then the RR/dyno is ****). You might learn useful things one day lol
The mrs had a 106 1.1 and I was shocked how nippy/well handling it was for a std off the shelf car with epicly worn suspension. Compared to a std nova it was like an F1 car!
Left the boaty omega for dead a few times too lol.
But then it was as reliable as the first capital connect service lol
my mi16 205 gti on konis easily outhandles my nova when it was on billys,
infact im fairly certain that even on my gaz golds when it comes back on the road it still wont be as much fun thru the corners as the pug,
The french really seem to know how to make their cars handle, just a shame they cant make a decent dash or wiring loom!
or body panels, or seats, or reliability lol
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