View Full Version : PLEASE HELP! WEBER 32/34 PICS NEEDED!
ok - Cauxhall have sorted my kangarooing problem (carb drawing air in all the wrong places - gaskets replaced) as Dicko predicted.
HOWEVER, now its overfueling. No acceleration and as flat as Brittney was before the op!
Anyway - they seem to think that theres some pipes missing off the carb and the engineers reprts suggests that the vac advance has been blocked off??? However a small thin hose runs from the dizzy to the carb (vac advance?).
SO - wot I need is some pics of peoples weber carbs with where the hoses go - alternatively if anyone has a technical drawing PLEASE post it so I can give it to vauxhall (who still have the car - after charging me ?140 !! :x :evil: :x )
PLEASE HELP!
the wifes already threatened that if its not sorted by the end of the week its being sold whether I like it or not
:cry:
Snowface
10-05-03, 10:55 AM
someone help this guy. I think nova-boy has a 32/34 on his 1.2. Could ask him.
Ade, where bouts do you go to get an engineers report? Vauxhall delaership? I've been told i need one by my insurance company if i put a Weber 32/34 on.
Cheers.
Ade,
The small thin hose your talking about is the vac advance hose, make sure the part that its connected to on the carb does actually draw a vacume..
Check the idle mixture screw, if this has been wound out too much previously (perhaps to help correct the kangaroo problems?), this could be part of your problem.. Although, dont think this would make it as bad as you suggest..
What car did the carb come from? Perhaps wrong jets?
?140 to change a couple of gaskets and still not fix it!!! :o :(
it was on the engine when I bought it. 1400sr from a mk1. seems to be rigged up to a 1600 manifold?
unknown engine mods - the engine numbers missing.
Anyway - heres some pics of the carb on my car (filter is ramair) weber 32/34 dmtl - are there any other hoses???
http://www.novaload.net/forums/album_see.php?id=827
http://www.novaload.net/forums/album_see.php?id=826
http://www.novaload.net/forums/album_see.php?id=825
http://www.novaload.net/forums/album_see.php?id=824
Looks ok to me.. Can't see anything obvious missing :?
Might be worth considering rebuilding the carb with a rebuild kit, although this may not solve it (and cost more money!!).
Probably worth checking basic things like choke and accelerator cable settings... Make sure they are adjusted properly (e.g. not idleing on the cable tension).
Other than that you might have to resort to a rolling road where they can sort out the jets, mixture and all the fueling..
Hope this helps..
Ben :)
mikeoxford
10-05-03, 11:54 AM
my 32 34 pics are now in nova pictures in the gallery
there is a outlet from both the carb and inlet manifold, that for some reason dont have anything attached, but i have done this on three engines now, and all worked fine (i copied it the first time around after chris ward had the carb fitted in the first place by a garage)
after speaking to Mike, the only diff I can see is he has a t-piece set up at the front of the carb which according to him is the return feed.
Mine seems to have been blocked off at the entry to the engine bay...
Mike think this could cause probs with overfueling and high emmisions...
Hope this is all it is - new weber (www.webcon.co.uk) is ?201!
You can get fixing kits but I really cant afford to do any more to it!
Why is it that when you get a bonus from work you always end up spending it on ruddy repairs! the amount of money Ive spent in the last 3 months on my bloody engine I coulsd have bought a mint GSi AND gone to Spain for a week on a last minute deal!
:x
Ste_Nova
10-05-03, 02:49 PM
mine has no return and the emissions are sky high (read flames on overrun... on a different note my acc cable is on the other side!!!
http://mig.lathwood.co.uk/upload/3/3234.jpg
here's a pic of mine. the fuel return needs T-ing into the feed and there should be a vacume pipe from the front of the carb to the dizzy. sorry if the pic is a bit big i'm not sure what setting my digi cam was on
http://mig.lathwood.co.uk/upload/3/3234webber.jpg
rgv_stu
10-05-03, 05:53 PM
ade
with the engine running pull off the hose to the vacumn advance
if its working the engine revs will drop slightly. if not check you have vacumn on the pipe.
weber do fit the pipes on in different places for some reason i have 2 32/34dmtl in the garage and the vacumn is in a different place on both.
the vacumn advance is just inlet manifold vacumn so theis can be plumbed from anywhere on the inlet / carb which is sucking at idle etc
one place you will have this is on the back of the inlet manifold ,it goes to the breather box
the t piece is a good idea , it will help your carb float needle last longer. also i had a problem with mine where it was overfuelling until i fitted the t piece to the return, there was too much pressure from the pump and it was overfilling the carb bowl
rgv_stu
10-05-03, 06:01 PM
yeah i noticed that steve , my acc cable is on the same side as yours
it looks a well odd manifold the mounting plate is totally different to the one on the 1300s/1400nv/1600sv manifolds
what cars it from??
Snowface
10-05-03, 06:03 PM
The emissions on mine were spot on, the examiner said it was the best he'd seen
where did you go to get it examined benji? I havn't a clue where to get it checked over. A normal mechanic is no good aparently. How about Vauxhall? Do they need to put it on r/r to see how much performance it gains (and to see how much more u pay on premium)?
Also what is a 'Dizzy'?
I personally wish I'd not gone to vauxhall now. The report said that they couldnt set up the carb to the required spec for the engine coz it wasnt designed for the engine.
They dont know much about non vauxhall parts - which I guess is to be expected. Theres a place near me that can set up carbs (In-Tune) quoting me ?50 for set up. No rolling road though - just the glasgae back streets :twisted:
The Manifold is a complete "no idea" what its from. Its a GM original part but the part number doesnt exist on any EPC' (vauxhalls, Mikes and Aragorns). :?
Vauxhall think its off an early 1600 cavvy or astra but they aint sure.
When I picked up the car from them the other day it wouldnt start for about 5 minites - had flooded apparantly.
Would this be something that the return feed would solve?
It sounded to me like the fuel had just filled up the carb through it being standing overnight?
I'm gonna make enquiries about a weber repair kit just incase.
In meantime, can someone do me a quick sketch from above of their carb and the hose/cable positions, marking what they are. Also does anyone know the part number for the 1400sr inlet manifold?
Many thanks guys...
Ade
:|
Ste_Nova
11-05-03, 02:31 PM
just been out and checked my manifold collection... it's not...
1.2i
1.2 carb
1.3 sr
1.4 sr
it looks like a c16nz inlet...
heres some better pics of my carb
my emmisions were checked when it went in for it's MOT
http://mig.lathwood.co.uk/upload/w/weber1.jpg
http://mig.lathwood.co.uk/upload/w/weber2.jpg
http://mig.lathwood.co.uk/upload/w/weber3.jpg
http://mig.lathwood.co.uk/upload/w/weber4.jpg
mikeoxford
11-05-03, 09:27 PM
same as mine benji
watch ur fuel retun
looks like its coming off the t piece?!
MAJOR UPDATE!
Spoke to webcon - the guys that make the weber carb and they are going to fax me everything you need to set up the weber 32/34 for a 1400 nova!
All the pipework, all the diagnostics the lot!
they were SO helpful!
AND - you can get replacement repair kits for them for ?18!
:D
Hopefully (when I can get away from work to get my car) I'll be able to sort it
He he!
And you can rest assured I'll post it on here!
:wink:
Snowface
12-05-03, 03:42 PM
thats excellent. hope u get it set up right after the wait, then ur in buisness. 8)
have you got contact details for them ade?
Ade: I've just had a look for my fitting and setting up instructions but couldn't find them. If you still need them post back and i'll have another look.
Mike: thats the best i could get it on but i made sure the clip has got it properly
mikeoxford
13-05-03, 01:07 AM
good boy
to contact weber have a look at www.webcon.co.uk then choose weber carbs and enter vauxhall nova - it brings up all the makes for the nova
I received the fitting instructions - very detailed - but the copies not the best (fax) so I'll clean it up and post it later (get wise to stick it as a guide or summut).
Anyway - cars booked into a weber recommended set up place on Thursday - ?40 for basic set up and bits I need. Fingers crossed it wont need anything more.
I'll let you know what happens...
Ade
mikeoxford
13-05-03, 02:43 PM
good luck
RIGHT!
Very interesting afternoon. Took me car to a place called Robinsone Tuning in Cambuslang - they have a rolling road and are weber specialists. Stuck it on the tuning ma\ching and said it was running far too lean.
Adjusted it and left it running - emmisions were fine then rose.
He took jets out - dead manky - gave them a bit of a clean and stuck them back in - no change
he then squirrted carb cleaner across the manifold to engine gasket (one of the ones I though my lovely vauxhall garage had changed) - and the engine revs went really high (to be expected) then died down again.
Turns out the manifold gaskets gone across number 3 and number 4 which is sucking in air and causing it to lose power - dramatically.
It also turns out that I've got either a 1.4 Astra MK1 engine or early Cav 1600 MK2 - as hes convinced the manifold and carb plate are from a car fitted with a varijet II carb (?) - which both these were!
:o
Anyway - the 32/34 is a direct replacement and although grubby is relatively ok...
It also turns out the dizzy unit I have aint designed for the engine - need one with a black cap of an astra 1.4. He said the dizzys ok but the timing will gradually advance and will also cause loss of power.
Unfortunately he was unable to fix the gasket. Bloody nice guy though - charged us ?35. Whilst I was there 2 lads came in with a mint nova sri looking for a chip.
So - tomorrow I'm gonna get a new gasket fitted THEN take it back and get it set up again.
The saga continues...
:?
mikeoxford
15-05-03, 04:29 PM
i have a black cap dizzy and dizzy cap and ignition advance unit if you need............wont want much
as for the gasket... i hope ur going to complain as they never changed it :evil:
well - ur getting sumwhere then, sounds good.
and do you know the engine capacity!? as if its 1600 your insurance will be void wont it :(
anyway - your getting somewhere, COOL 8)
Ste_Nova
15-05-03, 04:53 PM
all 1.6 carb are big block
all 1.6i are small block
isn't there an engine number?!!!
nope - mysteriously the engine number was cut off and replaces with a series of numbers. The only surviving clue is the letter "C" at the start.
When I got it it did has 1600injection rocker cover on it but the guy said it was fitted for looks more than anything else.
Convinced its a 1400 - it doesnt look "big" - just looks like a nova engine - except there is an auto tensioner on the cam belt.
Looking at my receipt from vauxhall they charges me for the carb to manifold gasket 0 they never charged me for the manifold to engine one. It also looks like they never checked it. Would have thought that was obvious - especially as I asked them to change all gaskets.
Why is it you can never trust vauxhall to do what they say they will (in my experiences anyway) - they certainly know hoe much to charge though for labour!!!
:?
Will see what tomorrow brings...
Ste_Nova
15-05-03, 05:47 PM
whats cast into the body of the block..... auto tensioner sugests later nova engine
i think it's a c14se engine
whats the fuel pump u got,that could give some clue's
rgv_stu
16-05-03, 09:26 AM
i reckon a c14nz converted to carb
Aragorn
16-05-03, 11:26 AM
yer it sounds like a c14nz
the SE had larger flywheel and F13 box
the NZ used F10 like yours
i thaught u said the vaux guy had found 14 stamped on the block???
the head could be form anywhere
the fact the manifold is from a varajet 2 dont really mean owt - maybe thats all they could find at the time - as long as the ports match up your fine
Ste_Nova
16-05-03, 12:23 PM
part number on the block ?
Snowface
16-05-03, 01:10 PM
i thought he said its been ground off?
Aragorn
17-05-03, 11:48 PM
hrm a valid point
the engine number was ground off
the engine part code should still be there however
ave a look will ya ade
UPDATE...
got a new gasket fitted (?25 inc fitting) and still runs like a bag of nails
Its actually worse
The minute you even make a suggestion of touching the accelerator it dies and you need to give it some welly to get it to go (not good
So my m8 called one of his m8's who used to build Volvo trucks - "big Graham" - now works for BAE systems building jumbo's. What he dont know about engines aint worth knowing about.
Took one look at it - poked about for a minute or soand spotted 4 problems.
1 - the 2 inlets at the back should be blocked off and they were but the hoses used were split (he actually said they should be linked with a hose but it dont matter?).
2 - the carbs v v v dirty - jets are totally black!
3 - two of the jets have little bits that are inserted into them and are supposed to be very hard to pull out - mine came out without any probs - causing major probs.
4 - one of the jets wont seat in its thread properly (squeeks when you screw it back in) - needs cleaning
oh - and he spotted the dizzy was wrong and the timing is slightly out (poss caused by dizzy module???).
He did a temp fix and we managed to drive it to his workshop. he's gonna strip the whole carb down and rebuild it using carb kit. Says thats the only problem - engines fine.
I managed to get a 1600 cavvy carb for nowt (has the ht leads that have little pins on them and single dog drive) so hes gonna see if thats right.
I think the carb I need is off of an astra 1400 though - its the black cap with a single dog drive pin (round) that sits on the edge of the sprocket. Most nova black caps have 2 dog drives opposite each other - correct me if I'm wrong.
I should be getting the car back on Wednesday - luckly I dont need it next week due to changing jobs. Start new job Monday so can use my bike :D
I'll check out the part number on the block (If I can find it).
If this dont fix it then I'm afraid the cars coming off the road - PERMANENTLY! (if you know what I mean :cry: )
Ade
Aragorn
18-05-03, 03:00 PM
1400 carb cavvy/astra and 1400 carb nova (SR) use the same distributors and caps
1600 carb cavvy/astras use a few different dizzy caps
what u need to get is a nova SR or astra 1400 distributor and cap off one car or new
stop trying to bodge more bits together when u dont know where they came from in the first place - replace the lot with the dizzy off a 14SR or 1400carb astra - thats what your ignition system was setup for so thats what u should use
the fact the carb is bogging should have been easy to sort at the weber place - but u said he wouldnt touch it till the gsaket had been replaced - which is fair enough
what u should be doing now is getting the weber bloke to fully setup the carb with new jets etc and get it on the rollers and setup properly - no point getting someone ELSE involved to do their own bit to it and it ends up even worse
now i know why i dont even wanna look at a carb sideways - injection is the way forward - u should have baught a GTE lump from the start would have cost u ?150 and dropped streight in - youve prolly spend 400-500 quid on this thing and it still aint right :(
rgv_stu
19-05-03, 01:06 PM
what dissy do you have ade ??
should be a red cap bosch unit with singlew pin drive rather than slot drive.
now the gasket has been changed the idle probably needs setting up as its probably too rich now.
what jets are you running ?? it could be a mile out if the carbs off something else. take each one out in turn and write down the numbers. i have a list somewhere with the nova 'weber' jet settings
Ste_Nova
19-05-03, 01:11 PM
i love the way my 1.4sr runs mint with it's 32/34 on.... my rr bloke must be a god to set it up right
Its got a red cap dizzy unit on it at the moment. The one that you clip on - its got a single drive pin.
The carb is set up for the car - the weber guy checked it out and said it was correct based on the varijet ii inlet manifold.
"Big Graham" can set it up for me - he's gonna fit new jets too if the current ones dont come up clean. Its not gonna cost me owt (just ?20 for the carb kit).
I will take it back to the weber bloke for a rolling road test - just to get exact set up.
Aragorn you are right - would have been cheaper fitting a GTE lump but then hindsights a great thing aint it. Also there would be no guarantee a GTE lump would be any better - probably worse (ragged)?
Its basically crunch time for the car (and I use the word crunch in the literal sense) - had a massive row with the wife last night over it - money wise - worked out I;ve spent getting on dor over ?1000 since January on "bits".
Could have picked up a mint GSi for that!
:evil:
Snowface
19-05-03, 06:04 PM
thats the way it goes ade. Once its sorted out you will be well sorted. :wink:
mikeoxford
19-05-03, 11:28 PM
worked out I;ve spent getting on dor over ?1000 since January on "bits".
Could have picked up a mint GSi for that!
:evil:
dont get frustrated over it
as my parents tell me over and over "its the koys of motoring"
but think of all the good things that have gone right, and how much of a minter you have.....
id so rather spend 1k on a car, and maybe have spent 2.5 3k in total on car and all my mods (not that i have - YET :wink: ) but its better to have a car, and have it exactly how you want it than to still be paying off the HP on another car or hot hatch thats say 10k before you get it out the building! then depriciate in value.
ok some people will say they wud rather have a new car - but id rather have something that was mine from day one and i cherished, rather than any old standard "new" car
Latest Update!
:evil:
Well, it turns out the carb has a hairline crack right up the fecking back of the main body - hence the erattic idling - sucking air etc...
The gaskets needed changing anyway so after much wrangling with the missus I ordered a new weber 32/34dmtl today - ?207 inc VAT.
:evil:
?207 I aint got what with changing jobs - cant wait either coz the cars stranded at this blokes garage and he aint got the stoprage space!
Should be getting it this Friday.
If this doesnt fix it the car will be stripped and the parts sold - the lot - or someone with the time and money and know how can buy it off me.
As much as I love it (my 1st car) I cannot keep chucking cash at it. There comes a time when enough is enough.
:cry:
So fingers crossed guys for this weekend - because if it aint fixed by Monday I recommend you check out the parts for sale section for some cracking bargins...
I have to stress though that (if the worst comes to the worst) some parts will be transferred to the wifes Ibiza/horse box!
:lol: 8)
the new carb will sort it
Snowface
20-05-03, 09:36 PM
i'll give you ?100 for the weber 32/34. :D
where did you order it form? the cheapest i seen it is ?209 + vat.
Thats with the direct replacment kit.
Is the one u ordered JUST the carb?
mikeoxford
21-05-03, 12:04 AM
:evil:
the carb WILL sort it
and i should right a stinking letter to the vaux garage and everywhere else that has dealt with your car and spent money on it for not informing you that it was busted and for not fixing it to55er5
the carb WILL fix it.
ordered carb (complete replacement including jets, gaskets etc) from a place in glasgow (cambuslang) called Robinsons tuning. the also have a rolling road
intend to write to vauxhall but they'll come back with some smart arsed comment about it being a "non standard" engine or summut so I'll get it off me chest but I'm basically asting my time.
Carb should arrive tomorrow - so touch wood will be able to get car back on road by Sunday!
Ade
rgv_stu
22-05-03, 03:10 PM
whats the replacement for?
a 2e3 or varijet ? cus the adapter kit/ throtle linkages are differnt between the 2
ordered the replacement for the 2e3 - the guy who placed the order said it doesnt matter because the existing carb has all the linkages so I can swap it all over. The 32/34 has options each side to connect linkages to etc... Its only the main body I need - everything else is ok.
However you cant just get the main body.
Ste_Nova
22-05-03, 03:37 PM
i could have sold u a mint 1.4sr 2e3 for ?5
rgv_stu
22-05-03, 08:05 PM
i have 2 32/34 dmtl webers in the shed, cust in the process of cleaning them up :)
Aragorn
23-05-03, 12:18 AM
so who actaully found this fault??
im guessing it was only when the bloke (your mate) took it off the engine to recon it that it was noticed??
mikeoxford
23-05-03, 11:17 PM
hows it goin now ade?
:D 8) CARS RUNNING FECKING EXCELLENT 8) :D
Just got it back and its running well. Really fast on acceleration
The prob seems to have been major pitting around one of the seals on the carb body and a small hairline crack.
Apparantly you can get some stuff called liquid metal that will fix it bit its no guarantee.
Only other minor thing is a small oil leak from the crank case seal - apparantly its easy to fix, although I'm not running the car for the next 3 mnonths (only too and from thr shops etc) as I can walk to work now so dont need it!
Its a little flat on acceleration still - need to use gears to get it up to 70 but it certainly goes when it wants too. Need to let carb settle in as it were - no intention of ragging it about - just going to enjoy it running.
Make a beutiful sound though - and my exhaust sound so much rounder and throatier!
:D
Ah - bliss - I'm totally skint now but absolute bliss!
All I got to do now is work out why my rear speakera aint working... :?
Ade
8)
yes! nice one m8
ive got to say, if you put it up for sale, someone would have got it, thrown a valver in and cruised round with your months of toil already done!
jatinder
25-05-03, 08:11 AM
well done mate it been a long time coming :lol:
mikeoxford
26-05-03, 10:29 PM
thought you had been quiet for a while! very good news :D
how has the missus took it though? as she thought she was rid of the nova didnt she!!????
lets just say that if it breaks down again its game over!
I'm so skint I've had to cancel my AA recovery for the next year! (renewal due end May).
Dont need to really use the car until end August so will be ok.
Need to change this seal though - took it out yesterday and the oil light came on - but then went off again - theres plenty of oil in the engine and the sensor's ok coz it was changed when engine was fitted.
Was told this seal might cause that. Apparantly all I got to do is remove the bottom wheel with a 19mm spanner (after removing the alternator belt) and then prise the seal out and fit a new one.
Gonna leave it for the guy who fitted me carb to do - said hed do it for 20quid
Ade
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