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Hey guys, i have a sigma alarm on my golf,
i dont know the pin number unfortunally, is there anyway to change this with out knowing the original pin.
and also, if i remove the battery, is it going to mess up the alarm and need reactivating, with the pin i dont have?
rep given for help:d
Take the alarm out and fit a decent one. Problem solved :D
Seriours answer, you can prob find out the pin number with the right equipment, but i guess its not a new alarm so little luck of that. Battery, usually its fine, it depends if the alarm has battery back up, if it is, you need to find out what you need to do to stop the alarm from going off.
kent14sr
05-06-10, 02:00 PM
Perhaps get one of those things that plug in the fag lighter that put power in whilst you remove your battery so you dont lose radio codes etc - that may work if you dont know your alarm pin, ie you can remove battery and not need the pin
Do you not have the keyfobs for the alarm then, as you only usually need the pin for the alarm to access the setup and programming menu's!
Do you not have the keyfobs for the alarm then, as you only usually need the pin for the alarm to access the setup and programming menu's!
cheers guys, and yeh spudly i do,
the alarm works fine etc, no problems, but i need to remove the battery for another problem with the car. and i dont wanna fook the alarm as i dont have the pin.
pikey1986
05-06-10, 03:05 PM
give vw a call, maybe they would be able to point you in the right direction
Its a non-standard alarm, VW wont be able to help at all.
If it ****s up once you remove the battery, nowt you can do but replace it really.
all that happens when someone sets off your alarm, is that all your neighbours think... someones alarm is going off, i'll put the telly volume up
You always say that, i presume you dont have a alarm then?, When my alarm goes off, funnly enough i go outside, make sure nothing has changed (or like last time, anything moved inside) and then reset it. If somebody has broke into my car, id be quick enough to maybe see them running away, or even if i dont see em, they would usualy be scared off by the alarm....
If my neighbours go off, i dont care, but its not ment to be like that. Most alarms also have a imobliser too, so should the theif manage to shut the siren off, the car cant be nicked.
i have spent tons of time over the years going to houses, and trying to find cars owners where the alarm is going off, i have never, ever seen or chased off a thief, i have rung police & had no response, and i have waited for people to turn up, & they have said something like....'oh it always does that' thieves set decent car alarms off several times in a short time, so their owner turns it off....then it gets nicked..... people genuinely are sick of them.
my car is immobilised, in my own sweet way that it would take an electronic genius to work out, and my dog barks at anything odd at night, and its only an old nova
Jon_nova1
05-06-10, 11:14 PM
What Mowgli says, theives will set an alarm off over and over until you turn it off or they get bored, no neighbour would come out, i remember when mine developed a nice fault when i disarmed it at 6AM to go to work, the end result was the alarm wouldn't shut up, and no-one even nosied through the window.
fitting your own alarm is the future...as mowgli also says! that way you can wire it however you want to make sure it won't be bypassed, while if its done by a thatcham approved fitter they have to follow routine, which is easy to figure, i managed to bypass mine when a sensor wire had a fault, it was disconnecting one wire at the side of the road! and to bypass the immobiliser it was taking one plug off and plugging in the original loom!
you two must just hear all the bad stories or live in **** areas, fitted plenty of them...
And there is no routine to follow, can do it how ya want, theres not much you can do, its just a case of having a decent alarm with battery backup etc.
Not all alarms are fitted ****ly eather.
Its these stories/people fitting them rubbishy that cause roumors and then people wonder why everybody has there car nicked/stuff from there car nicked.
AW06, the crime rate where i live isn't that high.... i did have someone on several occasions try to nick my old nova & fail......,....
the vast majority of alarms are factory one, and thus anyone with access to a factory manual will know exactly what to do...
our local morrisons is a bit infamous for alarms going off, there is either some interference with infrared scanners in the shop, or its the pikeys targetting cars to copy the signal....... none ever get nicked from there, my mums honda hrv went loopy there & it took me 1/2hr of fiddling about till i could shut it up......... everybody else just kept on shopping
our firm buys jcb diggers with factory approved immobilisers... after 2 1/2 -3 years, they go wrong. 5 mins later, i've disconnected them & the diggers run again... the telescopic handler had one fitted so shonkily, the fitter had used bullet connectors & it took me 30 seconds to fix.
if the car is up your drive, disable it. if it is anywhere else & you aren't within 20 yards of it, then you are taking pot luck & your alarm won't help you.... imagine the laughs at the cop shop...'hello, my modified vauxhall nova has been nicked, please can you go out and look for it??????'
Most of what your saying is caused by rubbish installation, any decent alarm/imobliser wired in correctly doing it the proper way by soldering, heat shrinking them and hiding them, isnt a 30sec thing to find/remove.
Factory alarms, depending on the make/model can be rubbish, but usually hidden very well and most manuals dont have the wiring diagrams. My Tigra has a factory alarm, and il be ****ed if i can find a wiring diagram for that, has battery back up too so its not easy to shut it up.
But as i said before, the alarm is ment for the owner, as long as the alarm is a decent one, fitted properly, the alarm should go off, most theives dont want to be ****ing about inside a car with the siren going mad.
look, if there is an alarm fitted, then it can be unfitted in no time. all this soldering & shrink wrapping is fine if you are in a lovely warm workshop..... but 99% of alarm fitters are young lads who just want to slap it in quick because they are on a flat rate for fitting them & then sodding off to the next job. i have never ever seen a properly fitted aftermarket alarm
Jon_nova1
06-06-10, 11:24 AM
and the reason they arn't wired in "correctly" is because the approved fitter doesn't have to do that, so why would they waste extra time when they could be fitting another one somewhere else?
Yes factory alarm wiring is very well hidden, because its bundled with the standard alam for the majority, but how hard do you think it would be to get passed it knowing every car of that kind is wired the same? how long did you think it took for twocer's to find out you could do the hazard light trick or pull one wire from an escort to cut the early model immobiliser?
craig green
06-06-10, 11:24 AM
If Martin just disconnects the battery it'll be fine. I've done it myself on that car.
Im not on a flat rate for fitting them, and i fit them properly, no matter how long it takes or how cold it is, its that **** that gives us a bad name...
Jon_nova1
06-06-10, 11:26 AM
no, its people in the same occupation as you that give you a bad name
cheers guys, and yeh spudly i do,
the alarm works fine etc, no problems, but i need to remove the battery for another problem with the car. and i dont wanna fook the alarm as i dont have the pin.
You have the fobs, thats all you need to operate the alarm then you plum, when you take off the battery you usually have a certain length of time before it resorts to factory settings in which to refit the battery, chances are its already set to factory default settings anyway so you will/should have no problems whatsoever!
Anyone know how to bypass NATS V2 then? lol
i found this (http://www.automotiveforums.com/t37748-nats_95_primera___immobilser_bypass.html) in a couple of seconds... is it any help
Nah. I'm mates with the guy who offers help too. I wouldn't be surprised if I have posted on that thread lol. When I search the subject i usually turn up my own questions too!
That one has NATS V1 which was sh!te. On some Micras you could just unplug it from the loom behind the glovebox FFS. V2 is a totally different kettle of fish and AFAIK unremovable.
Always worth asking! :thumb:
Jon_nova1
06-06-10, 01:08 PM
lol what a bunch of retards lol
I have NAT how can i bypass it?
I have NAT how can i bypass it?
I have NAT how can i bypass it?
I have NAT how can i bypass it?
Nat 2 looks to be part of the ECU, it would be harder to bypass but the immobiliser would be cutting something somewhere!
I had a NATS V1 ecu in my car once after an earlier engine swap and the immobilser still worked :( What's more confusing is I have stripped/extended all of the looms and have never come across anything obvious. lol
I think you're on the right track though (for standard cars) I'm sure I heard once some place would remove it from the ECU.
Yep, total tards. I love places like that where people don't read the previous posts. lol
Limp as i said before its prob like the vauxhall one, piece inside the ecu, guy i heard about last week reckons he can bypass the vauxhall stuff, maybe i should ask him about the nats stuff?
thanks craig, didnt think at all to come to you first lol.
and i wanna remove the battery, so i can restore the car to its default settings.
i also done some research and emailed a guy, and he has given me a code in which i can reset the pin with out knowing the pin. so will give that a go as well as a back up.
thanks guys.
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