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richardt
20-05-10, 07:25 PM
took the car to get the wheels tracked, camber and balanced. when he took the wheel off the tyre had been catching the spring badly on the side wall. ruining my brand new toyo proxes! i cant space it out anymore because it'l be sticking out the wing and hitting it. my tyres are 195, 45, 15. these wheels should fit fine.im thinking maybe the coilovers wrong? thanks
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Take the helper spring out. It will make the ride a bit harder but should clear the tyres then.
jakeufton
20-05-10, 07:28 PM
jesus thats not good lol. get the tracking and camber done then see again as i had this problem before
richardt
20-05-10, 07:30 PM
wont talking the helper spring out affect the ride height dramatically? and they said theres any point in doing the camber or tracking until that problem was fixed
wont talking the helper spring out affect the ride height dramatically? and they said theres any point in doing the camber or tracking until that problem was fixed
No, because you wind the collet up to meet the main spring :) You cant run helpers on Nova's, they always rub.
richardt
20-05-10, 07:33 PM
i wish i knew this before i ruined my toyo's! if i take the helper spring out would i be able to take the spacers out so the wheel sits in the arch better? thanks
i wish i knew this before i ruined my toyo's! if i take the helper spring out would i be able to take the spacers out so the wheel sits in the arch better? thanks
Possibly. The good thing about coilovers though is if the collet IS still catching the tyre, its not expensive to get some shorter springs to get it up out of the way.
You may find you just need to raise the car up a few turns to get it to clear once the helpers are gone.
MattBrown
20-05-10, 07:42 PM
Possibly. The good thing about coilovers though is if the collet IS still catching the tyre, its not expensive to get some shorter springs to get it up out of the way.
You may find you just need to raise the car up a few turns to get it to clear once the helpers are gone.
Grinder = shorter springslol
richardt
20-05-10, 08:01 PM
thanks for your help guys il have to remove the helper spring tomorrow and take it from there. good job i kept my old tyres for spares. uniroyals...
richardt
26-05-10, 02:19 PM
the helper springs now gone and i have wound it up a good few turns to clear it which has worked. but the car is now about two inches higher which i didnt particularly want. also the ride is unbearable now, ther is literally no give, its like a bone shaker! can i grind the springs to lower it again but still clearing the tyres and maybe soten the ride? also would this problem be sorted if i just bought shockers and springs like koni's for example to keep comfort and clear the tyres? thanks
the helper springs now gone and i have wound it up a good few turns to clear it which has worked. but the car is now about two inches higher which i didnt particularly want. also the ride is unbearable now, ther is literally no give, its like a bone shaker! can i grind the springs to lower it again but still clearing the tyres and maybe soten the ride? also would this problem be sorted if i just bought shockers and springs like koni's for example to keep comfort and clear the tyres? thanksbuy some shorter softer springs, they are only about £25 each iirc
i am always amazed at people who buy coilovers yet don't actually need them. they are just not suited for dailydriver useage.... ok, they have their place in motorsport, and trackdays etc, but they really are not a roadgoing item.
Of course they are!
Tried some skinnier tyres?
stoo, they are designed to be easily adjustable, which a normal road car is not suited to
It is if you want to be able to adjust the ride height
this lad obviously didn't
Find me some -83.5mm springs then.... Height adjustable coilovers are the easiest way to get something to sit at exactly the ride height you want, with scope later to go up or down as you please
very true
mind you, fitting the correct size/width/tyres to wheels isnt the game i play but on a nova its pretty much essential!
Coilover's arent exactly a magical new ideal.. I mean technically the mcpheason strut is just a coilover :p
There are many cars running coilovers as every day road cars... Mine is one of them and while its taking a little while to get them setup nearly right, its still better than std.
A little knowledge and understanding of how suspension works goes a very long way. Soft springs, softish damping and strong anti roll, or stiff springs, soft damping and soft/no anti roll give decent road behaviour :)
yes, but your car is a vx220!!!!
most production cars are not equipped with coilovers because the know some pillock would start playing with them & wreck the car.....
buying decent quality springs at a certain height is a much more reliable, in the long run, thing to do.
why does what the car is matter....
yes you put adjustment on the car from factory and people will screw with it, everyone knows that, but that dosent mean coilovers are crap!
i just think that they are mostly fitted, just so people can say they have them fitted
General Baxter
26-05-10, 04:25 PM
mike, iv had to fit mine lol
lukestavrinidis2008
26-05-10, 04:26 PM
My cars used every day its droped 100mm on coilovers, wouldn't change it, it drives spot on for me :thumb:
there appears to be two types of 'coilovers' used in the UK/Europe... ones to slam the car at all costs (crap stuff), and then the stuff that actually works and does what its supposed to (all beit with some time spent setting them up)
almost anything is better than 17-25yr old std stuff though lol
General Baxter
26-05-10, 04:28 PM
what are your alloys, they look mega wide in the photos,
mike, iv had to fit mine lol
nick....... you didn't have to, apart from the fact that the original suspension wouldn't have been man enough, you mostly wanted to play with them whilst you were waiting for clutch cables to arrive.
General Baxter
26-05-10, 04:31 PM
the gearbox it out tonight lol
your car is very unreliable considering that you actually built it properly this time...........
lukestavrinidis2008
26-05-10, 04:37 PM
I take it the helper spring is the small one at the bottom thats been cacthing?? Just looked at mine. And its at the top??
I take it the helper spring is the small one at the bottom thats been cacthing?? Just looked at mine. And its at the top??
I hate it when they put the helper at the top...
Its totally unsupported for lateral movement, atleast when its at the bottom (eg on the damper body) its got something to stop the whole spring assembly from falling over.
Mind you I dont think helpers have any place on cars that arent doing jumps.
lukestavrinidis2008
26-05-10, 04:45 PM
Do you think i shoud change this?? its how it was when i got the car
I'd bin the helper completely, but thats just me
General Baxter
26-05-10, 05:02 PM
maybe get some proper coilovers lol
lukestavrinidis2008
26-05-10, 05:58 PM
There Spax lol
richardt
26-05-10, 05:59 PM
my tyres are 195's and im not willing to go any narrower than that. i dont see how the coilovers were designed so badly that they rub the tyre. but before i took the helper spring off and it was nice and low, it did ride very nicely, not too stiff. now its higher its stiffer, i thought it should be opposite way around?
not designed badly.... jsut designed for a car with "std" wheel widths.... you could argue the wheels were designed badly :p
lower the car till the platform is just above the wheel, you should be back to where you were (infact if anything you might be lower lol)
You probably have properly stiff springs. Id get some softer shorter springs, will only cost anout 50 quid.
now its higher its stiffer, i thought it should be opposite way around?
Lowering a car does not make it stiffer, you lower it on stiffer springs due to the reduce travel you now have. Ride height and spring stiffness are entirely independant.
richardt
26-05-10, 06:25 PM
so are softer springs coilover specific? can anybody tell what make mine are from the photos? i dont think theyre the best like...
springs are pretty much springs in the general terms of it all.
they are Xlength Y diameter and zlbs (or kilos). Yes you can get some spunky silicon steel ones that are more accurate/longer lasting but its not really worth it/noticeable lol
richardt
28-05-10, 02:07 PM
i know but wher can i buy them from? thanks
ebay, demon tweeks, rally design probably. try errr searching??
General Baxter
28-05-10, 04:38 PM
has anyone seen the photos of the car, they alloys look like J7 for a start and a stupid offset lol
ash nova
28-05-10, 06:30 PM
ive got bilstein coilovers and they miss my 195/60/14's by millimetres!with the helpers intact, but atleast they dont rub and they fit over my 288mm's instead of having stupid 17inch wheels or something.
richardt
28-05-10, 06:54 PM
whats j7?
ash nova
28-05-10, 06:56 PM
mines 5.5 its width
whats j7?
7j= 7inch width.
ive got bilstein coilovers and they miss my 195/60/14's by millimetres!with the helpers intact, but atleast they dont rub and they fit over my 288mm's instead of having stupid 17inch wheels or something.
14"s that fit over 288? Never heard of any wheel under a 15 that fits on a 288mm disc.
ash nova
29-05-10, 06:15 PM
thats because i dont have my 288's on lol, dumb moment, they were infront of me, its 256's that i have on atm hah.
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