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hendrix
18-05-10, 09:49 PM
Reading the thread about the recently found Mk1 SR and others who have found other lost gems got me thinking about what may be the classics of the future??
Somehow I can't imagine people going on about the mass produced tripe thats on the market today.
Eg in 30 years time someone going on about a Corsa C they have found in someones back yard or whatever or someone begging an old dear to flog her dead husbands treasured Ford Focus
So come on whats your bet for future classics?
MattBrown
18-05-10, 09:50 PM
Pug 106gti
focus RS the mk1 one
Renault clio 172
Anything small and fast lol
When was the 172 fast?
I dont think hardly any cars will be, they dont really bother making them that goof any more. Nothing pushes the limits any more.
Pug 106gti
focus RS the mk1 one
Renault clio 172
Anything small and fast lol
if any survive the chaving/beatings they get
Clio 172/182 Cup
Focus RS (Mk1)
Astra VXR Nurburg
Astra VXR-R
206 Super Tourisme
Corsa VXR Artic
BMW E46 M3
Fiat 500 Abarth SS
hendrix
18-05-10, 09:54 PM
if any survive the chaving/beatings they get
same could probably have been said about the nova years ago too
RETRONOVA
18-05-10, 10:00 PM
106 gti
saxo vts/vtr
fiesta st
clio cup
as with current classics.. the sporty ones will be sought after... the jap stuff will be considered to be technically great but ugly, all the current supercars, and a few hundred corsa's
JShannon
18-05-10, 10:02 PM
Standard vectra b sri methinks.
Joe
Tigra..
In particular, MTV pineapple yellow on M/N plate..
subaru 22b
subaru P1
subaru RB5
subaru RB320 ( i want! )
the EVO FQ range
vectra VXR
VXR8
golf R32
clio V6
smart brabus lol
Danny s-p
18-05-10, 10:07 PM
corsa VXR Artic (i wood class this as the modern nova sport )
+
astra VXR Artic
Somehow I can't imagine people going on about the mass produced tripe thats on the market today.
Eg in 30 years time someone going on about a Corsa C they have found in someones back yard or whatever or someone begging an old dear to flog her dead husbands treasured Ford Focus
Why not? If you had a Model T you would consider it a classic, but they were the first properly mass produced car and there were fecking thousands of them.
Any car on the road today will become a classic when 99% of them have gone.
i wonder is saxo's will be the new classic mini, i.e utter shiote but everyone wants one.
Mint FRST
18-05-10, 10:08 PM
VW Corrado VR6 Storm
Mk1 Focus RS
Renault Clio 182 Cup
Mk2 Focus RS - Yes I would say that of course... Fact remains they are low volume run i.e. 4000 Uk cars and the last of the 'old' type hot hatch.
All my opinion of course but wait to see what the equivalent models are like in the next five years...
Tigra..
In particular, MTV pineapple yellow on M/N plate..
+rep.
cali turbo aswell.
i wonder is saxo's will be the new classic mini, i.e utter shiote but everyone wants one.
no, they will have all disintegrated before they can become classics. There may be one kept in a vacuum bubble though :)
VW Corrado VR6 Storm
Good shout, would also say the Golf VR6 Highline aswell. There pretty rare now.
i wonder is saxo's will be the new classic mini, i.e utter shiote but everyone wants one.
ive been looking at them layely lol :cry:
In my eyes there's to many Astra Vrx's on the market... They arnt that special or limited edition..
no, they will have all disintegrated before they can become classics. There may be one kept in a vacuum bubble though :)
like novas then? lol
ive been looking at them layely lol :cry: are you serious??????:wtf:
Raddo G60
Audi S2 & RS6
transporter becoming the new camper?
yep, still cant decide wether there able cars in the right hands or not
the 106 is a good car and the chassis are the same, saxos also fetch a lower price due to the stereotypical image so im weighing it up as a win.
if i was still with the missus id buy one 'for her' and see what there like
i wonder is saxo's will be the new classic mini, i.e utter shiote but everyone wants one.
I'd rather cut my self than drive a mini.
Golf R32
Clio V6
VX220
306 Rallye
Integra DC2
S2000
lewisvalver
18-05-10, 10:24 PM
minis are for girls and queers,the 106 gti is a good shout,i can see them being a classic in 10+ years
CoolTiger
18-05-10, 10:26 PM
if any survive the chaving/beatings they get
doubt they will mines barely surriving now haha
and i dont give it that much abuse tbh and well looked after
doubt they will mines barely surriving now haha
and i dont give it that much abuse tbh and well looked after
like everything french...the beer, the women, the food...****
craig green
18-05-10, 10:33 PM
Many of the cars mentioned above will doubtless become classics. I think the modern classics we are all into like Novas, Escorts, Astras etc have gained that status, partly because of the motorsport heritage & the sporty models (RS2000's GTE's etc) & the fact that so many get ruined or badly modified.
I think Saxo's will be classics, try finding an unmolested early VTS in white for example (I would) & they are few & far between. Likewise Astra GTE's have resurged in value in last 5 years because all of a sudden, there werent really any standard or recogniseable ones left.
MattBrown
18-05-10, 10:35 PM
doubt they will mines barely surriving now haha
and i dont give it that much abuse tbh and well looked after
Fuuking lol at above comentlol
i dont think anything will be worth tons in the future unless its numbered, like the new focus 500, or the astra burg.
its a shame it has all gone FWD because alot of the classics are RWD. and RWD for a reason. you will never get another mk1 escort on the production line lol.
a 1.3 SR in Metallic Grey obviously ;0)
its a shame it has all gone FWD because alot of the classics are RWD. and RWD for a reason.
Because it was easier to make them RWD and no one had really figured out how to drive and steer front wheels at the same time on the cheap? lol
you will never get another mk1 escort on the production line lol.im sure someones doing repro shells....
Speaking of Saxos, mine was 100% standard, it isn't any more and getting thrashed about everywhere http://www.pngclub.com/forum/Vhttp://www.pngclub.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/Mieran2010/vts/SNV82593.jpg?t=1274222491
I'd rather cut my self than drive a mini.
you'd probably have to, just to fit in it lol
IMO for something to be a "classic" it needs to be special. Escorts are well respected yes, but its the likes of the Mexico which makes it into the classic ranks. See also Chevette HSR, Nova Sport, Dolomite Sprint - the bog standard motors are old and valued by a select bunch of collectors, but the classic ones are those that anyone would value.
I can see ST185RCs maybe becoming something special one day. Limited numbers, WRC heritage etc
http://gtfour.supras.org.nz/pics/pcd45.jpg
blue_peg_16v
19-05-10, 12:05 AM
honda nsx
all fast fords there always saught after if theres an rs badge
saxos may just become the next nova when all the chav kitted ones dry up for the next generation (every generation has a car)
vw t4 continues a tradition
bmw m series
smart brabus (there **** but look at the bubble car and 2cv)
tvr cerbra
Jim Mcrae
19-05-10, 01:07 AM
if any survive the chaving/beatings they get
The same was probably said about the nova gte/gsi lol
my crx if its still going lol
MattBrown
19-05-10, 08:07 AM
im sure someones doing repro shells....
Brand new mk2 escort shells are available.
IIRC the mk1 isnt being remade yet.
£24,000 so im told by rallying friendslol
you'd probably have to, just to fit in it lol
You say that, i had to take a Mini back to its owner for the body shop, it was so small and sh*te that i couldn't get my left all the way off the clutch. By the time i got to her house the smell was sooooooooooo bad!
GTE TURBZ
19-05-10, 10:57 AM
I think:
RS Focus MK1
E36/46 M3
Golf MK4 r32 (Possibly)
Golf MK4 25th annniversay GTI (Coz i've got one) :)
Don't think the newer stuff has the same characteristcs and desire as the old non power assisted rot boxes.lol
I think:
RS Focus MK1
E36/46 M3
Golf MK4 r32 (Possibly)
Golf MK4 25th annniversay GTI (Coz i've got one) :)
Don't think the newer stuff has the same characteristcs and desire as the old non power assisted rot boxes.lol
It's very likely that every generation thinks their current motors will never become as iconic as the previous ones..
But they obviously do, in time and maybe the scrappage fiasco may just speed it all up a bit???
ben doodar
19-05-10, 11:46 AM
Agreed 106gti will be a classic. Maybe worth buying one cheap whilst it's still possible haha. Mk1 Subaru imprezza. Clio 182. Suppose theres loads of potential classics about.
GTE TURBZ
19-05-10, 11:51 AM
Simply plane but true IMO:
A true classic will not have power steering, except the astra gte 16v of courselol
Agreed 106gti will be a classic. Maybe worth buying one cheap whilst it's still possible haha. Mk1 Subaru imprezza. Clio 182. Suppose theres loads of potential classics about.
There's a purple L reg Corsa 5 door base model parks not far from me..
Been there as long as I can remember..
Looks tidy..
Who's to say that in 10 years time, someone somewhere won't be posting a rebuild thread on a 'classic' Vauxhall they just pulled out of a garden???
Agreed 106gti will be a classic
Rallye, yes; GTi, no.
dj_wudgey
19-05-10, 12:46 PM
well i think there is two many to list rocus rs 106 gti's astra and corsa vxr's evo's there will be many future classics imo!!
I cant see many cars lasting to be classics these days, noone takes care of their cars in the way they used to, when i was little and we all played in the street outside our houses we used to see everyone down the street washing and polishing their cars on a weekend, you dont see that anymore as people just run em through a hand carwash or an auto one and that means the tops get shiny but the muck and crud stays underneath, ive seen 07 plate cars with fooked arches and rot setting in around the window rubber on the screen, stuff aint gonna survive imo!
I cant see many cars lasting to be classics these days, noone takes care of their cars in the way they used to, when i was little and we all played in the street outside our houses we used to see everyone down the street washing and polishing their cars on a weekend, you dont see that anymore as people just run em through a hand carwash or an auto one and that means the tops get shiny but the muck and crud stays underneath, ive seen 07 plate cars with fooked arches and rot setting in around the window rubber on the screen, stuff aint gonna survive imo!
You're spot on with the car care but don't you think the superior metal protection current cars are built with may help them lats longer than their older family members?
Ie Chevettes with wing rot just 12 months after registration...
my dads 03 plate focus had 9k miles on it when he traded it in when 3 years old, he washes and polishes his car every saturday. it was mint, the new dealer rang to ask if it was gen mileage....
his rover 25 on an x plate is still local, and has 27k on it now, he traded it in with 12k on it. an old guy bought it the day he swapped, and is the same as dad, i.e washes all the time, and cares for it. looks like new. the main reason for a lack of car care, is fleet buyers, i.e 50k+ miles in 3 years, and dont care for the car. so it ends up a dog. 20+ years ago a car was a luxury, so you looked after it, now they are a disposable nessecity, so are given less respect.
Mint FRST
19-05-10, 02:06 PM
I think:
RS Focus MK1
E36/46 M3
Golf MK4 r32 (Possibly)
Golf MK4 25th annniversay GTI (Coz i've got one) :)
Don't think the newer stuff has the same characteristcs and desire as the old non power assisted rot boxes.lol
Mk1 Focus RS - Yes
E46 M3 CSL - Yes, poss Evo E36's - Standard models too many made...
Mk4 R32 Golf - No - not special enough and not exactly quick
Anny Golf - Yes :thumb:
ben doodar
19-05-10, 02:53 PM
Rallye, yes; GTi, no.
gti's better though.
allthough i can see the s1 rallye becoming a classic yes.
the new mini cooper s will be classic one day.
GTi may be better, but "better" doesn't make a classic. Example, a Nova GTE is "better" than a Sport, yet the Sport is the classic.
now they are a disposable nessecity, so are given less respect.
very much so, although I do think they're designed to be a bit like that so the manufacturers keep a decent new car turnover.
lada samara
In general, or the 1.5 GL Flyte in particular??? :)
iirc there is a samara rally car in hull. proper child of the m80's
iirc there is a samara rally car in hull. proper child of the m80's
I know those Flyte models were few and far between and I suppose they are v rare now..
Were fetching daft money a bit ago..
With that body kit on, hmmm, they looked strangely cool...lol
IMO almost everything, no matter how shoddily built or poor in spec/performance will always have a following and retain a certain value in the future. Thanks to the internetz!
Nothing can be forgotten about now like in the dark dark pre-net days. You will always find people into their different era's and marques even when the vast majority move on to something else.
Nothing can be forgotten about now like in the dark dark pre-net days. You will always find people into their different era's and marques even when the vast majority move on to something else.
In an effort to test this theory I searched for something we'd all rather forget to see if theres anyone that wants to remember it, and yes, it exists: http://www.multiplaowners.co.uk/ lol
this months retro cars has taught me there was a group b rx-7!!!!!! i was like "wutnao??? srsly??"
MK, there was a Multipla previous to that one also. Or did everyone forget? lol
:$ I don't mind the modern Multipleurgh tbh lol. Get it on some MO's! :d
ppc had an in the bath where they did a multipla with croma 4x4 and the coupe 20v turbo motor on delta rims, the photochop looked nuts....
Win.
Scan the mag dude?
Interesting info on the RX, must have been based around an FC then? I'v seen pics of works cars before but didn't know there was a Group B car!
no scanner at chez sloff mate, sorry. i'd own it tho....
basic gist is:
mazda have £3.46 and some fluff to go rallying with. they homoglate 200 standard rx-7's, and sell em as std rx-7's thus costing them nothing. they immediately homoglate the 20 evo versions, build 8 and use these instead. 2wd, 13b motor, 5 spd box, lsd, and 300bhp. wide arches etc etc.
also they built 1 group s rx-7, 4wd, 3 rotor twin turbo, 600bhp, 6 spd sequential and carbon everywhere. sadly group s and b were banned befor it ran.
If the first was a Group B motor then I thought it would have to be AWD also?
Group B was and still is the best form of not just rallying, but motorsport in general ever in my eyes. Just wish I could have seen some of the cars doing their thing!
Sh!tter RE scanner. Sh!t cam phone pic? I could ask on RR like, someone will have an image of it no doubt. lol :thumb:
If the first was a Group B motor then I thought it would have to be AWD also?
Group B was and still is the best form of not just rallying, but motorsport in general ever in my eyes. Just wish I could have seen some of the cars doing their thing!
Sh!tter RE scanner. Sh!t cam phone pic? I could ask on RR like, someone will have an image of it no doubt. lol :thumb:
I got over to Hexham for the RAC years back (85 or 86?) and got to see the big boys light up the place...
RS200s. 6R4s. 205s. etc..
Didn't take a camera though which was criminal!!!
I like the way you list my three favourites and in the correct order. lol
Bet that was fun mate!
I like the way you list my three favourites and in the correct order. lol
Bet that was fun mate!
Oh it was...
Joined in helping to push start a Lotus Sunbeam that had broken down on one of the stages and nearly got flattened by a Manta!
RS200 my favourite too..
Built from Ford‘s spare part bins iirc (body excluded of course)...
Nowt like helping a stricken rally car back onto the stage is there lol
lol @ Manta!
Aye they were elbow deep in the parts bin for that beauty. I assume you know the body was created by Reliant as they were so awesome with the fibre glass lol.
How can that be. A totally unique mid engined monster built alongside plastic pigs FFS! lol
Nowt like helping a stricken rally car back onto the stage is there lol
lol @ Manta!
Aye they were elbow deep in the parts bin for that beauty. I assume you know the body was created by Reliant as they were so awesome with the fibre glass lol.
How can that be. A totally unique mid engined monster built alongside plastic pigs FFS! lol
I had a lovely magazine that came out around the time of its introduction..
Sadly long gone after a house move or two (along with other forgotten treasure)...
I‘m certain on of the 200s caught fire and burnt out at the Kielder stage that day but we were not there to see it!
One for the historians on here to verify?
Never seen a rs200 on the stages ( oh the body was designed by ghia ) but I did see the quattro sports on the 85 rac at the rest and be thankfull, when it was a proper rally and not just a sprint round Wales.
Cavalier Turbo...kinda already getting there. (also the 2nd greatest vaux loon after the LC)
Cavalier Turbo...kinda already getting there. (also the 2nd greatest vaux loon after the LC)
good call
and the LC although they were instant classics imo
good call
and the LC although they were instant classics imo
i am still determined to get me a cav tubby
rs200 = nos in cages. happy days.....
what people forget is that reliant actually made more fibreglass cars than anyone else in europe...... at times they were selling 10's of thousands of robins a year.. there are still a lot of fibreglass factories in the area.
reliant were actually building cars with ford powertrains in the scimitar range, so they weren't exactly bodgers.
as for the grB cars, the list includes mazda rx7 & nissan 240 rs, they were used almost exclusively in the african rallies where endurance was more important than outright pace. but they used to mix it with mantas in the forests.
i actually bunked off from sixth form to go & see the last ever stage of group b world rallying. in woolaton park in nottingham. and yes it was awesome
there is talk of a group b return....
the wrc cars are way more advanced than the old gr.B ones & a damned site faster over a stage.
the focus wrc is more like a prototype than grB anyway, they don't have to sell a production version, so the engineering freedom are greater.
there is talk of a group b return....
It'll never be as terrifying and awesome again though will it?
Those were special cars..
i dunno, imagine a 4wd 600bhp astra vxr made from carbon fibre, with wide arches flying through the stages......
they were very fast tractors........
the last quattro was just an evil monster, i remember them well, the drivers were gods..
the 205 & delta were deathtraps
the metro was safer, but still killed people
i dunno, imagine a 4wd 600bhp astra vxr made from carbon fibre, with wide arches flying through the stages......
ain't gonna happen just yet, even though Jean todt at least understands rallying.... sticking a 'global 1.6 turbo' lump in touring cars, rally cars & f1 cars will be crap. they let technology run away on the wrc cars, and now manufacturers are leaving in their droves....
the irc is the future, they are fairly fast, and identifiable as road cars
yeah, but f1 cars kill peeps, as do any other race cars. the thing with group b was, the drivers went from 200bhp escys to 400bhp turbo nutter bas4rds in 3 years. then there is group s...........
they were very fast tractors........
the last quattro was just an evil monster, i remember them well, the drivers were gods..
the 205 & delta were deathtraps
the metro was safer, but still killed people
Ha..
Excellent, well put!!!:thumb:
the escorts were 280hp & beat the 300hp quattros for 1 year, so fritz turned the wick up
novacabrio
19-05-10, 10:59 PM
Mk4 astra gsi will be a classic, red will be the most sort after as they are all blue black and silver! Also the mk4 sri turbo limited run done with prodrive bodykit of 500, done to see if there was a market for the gsi.
Clio williams will also be up there in years to come along with unusual things like protons satria gti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_S#Group_S
sloth, group s was a white elephant, and the manufacturers never really took to it
true, but its interesting that the specs were used as the basis for wrc.
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