Nova with subaru gear, any one done it ?

[calibra-keith]

After a chat and bit of a laugh me and a mate was talking about how if we had a Subaru shell we could basically build another one up with all the spares he has, then my mind went off on one with maybe a crazy idea,

nova running on Subaru running gear and engine, i have seen cossie and even calibra threads with nova slapped on top

any one think its worth looking into ? problems and anything else.....

[nova_saloon]

it has crossed my mind but i dont think anyone has done it. with calibra conversion its easier as you just add the transfer box to the gearbox and send a shaft down and do some mods to the back to hold a rear diff and such, but the cossie was the old lob the top off the cossie and whack a nova ontop, but with a subaru Getting a flat four in is going to something special!

Edit: just read my comment and realised how easy i made the calibra and cossie one sound. They arnt easy, so the subaru one is going to be a get the proper equipment out job or your going to kill yourself.

[Lee]

Any engine can be used with a little ingenuity. ;) Although why you'd pick a scooby lump is beyond me.

[calibra-keith]

was an idea to be a bit different, 4x4 and the scooby rumble and some stuff are there waiting, my nova needs fair bit of cutting and welding/new front end anyway so its time to think do i go same as plenty of others and not be much different (wide-arched stripped out track) or something a little extra about it.

one or 2 pics of few bits,

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff269/calibra-keith/Picture086.jpghttp://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff269/calibra-keith/Picture085.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff269/calibra-keith/Picture072.jpg

[craig green]

Gay. All that effort & it'd probably do equal lap times to a diff'd, smallblock :d Nova on slicks anyway.

[Nova_Sean]

^ Yeh, but its different.

[craig green]

agreed

[Jack]

A pink 5dr hatch with a kingdom bumper and yellow cunningham stripes is different, but that doesn't make it good lol

I'd say give it a shot seen as you have all the stuff there. Personally, I'd rather keep the Impreza stuff in and on the Impreza.

[Nova_Sean]

A pink 5dr hatch with a kingdom bumper and yellow cunningham stripes is different, but that doesn't make it good lol



I could give it a go! lol!!!

[Bubba]

jap powered nova is like slapping the virgin mary.

[Jack]

jap powered nova is like slapping the virgin mary.
I know, its just not the done thing to put a sh!t body onto some decent mechanicals. Ok, well as decent as an Impreza can be lol

[norris the nova]

personally i think it would be a waste, those scooby engines are too soft..

[ste porter]

it has crossed my mind but i dont think anyone has done it. with calibra conversion its easy as you just add the transfer box to the gearbox and send a shaft down and do some mods to the back to hold a rear diff and such, but the cossie was the old lob the top off the cossie and whack a nova ontop, but with a subaru Getting a flat four in is going to something special!

Edit: just read my comment and realised how easy i made the calibra and cossie one sound. They arnt easy, so the subaru one is going to be a get the proper equipment out job or your going to kill yourself.

are you for real? have you seen my 4x4 thread or my car in this months total vauxhall?
calibra conversion its easy?
be my guest and pop in and finish mine while i have my tea when ever you feel like it.

im sure mine is proberly the furthest anybody has ever got with regards to vx running gear so how is it easy?

[nova_saloon]

are you for real? have you seen my 4x4 thread or my car in this months total vauxhall?
calibra conversion its easy?
be my guest and pop in and finish mine while i have my tea when ever you feel like it.

im sure mine is proberly the furthest anybody has ever got with regards to vx running gear so how is it easy?
Alright touchy. now appologise for reading my post wrong!!! it says i just realised how easy i made it sound. Its not easy! just simpler then doing a subaru conversion

[ste porter]

it has crossed my mind but i dont think anyone has done it. with calibra conversion its easier as you just add the transfer box to the gearbox and send a shaft down and do some mods to the back to hold a rear diff and such, but the cossie was the old lob the top off the cossie and whack a nova ontop, but with a subaru Getting a flat four in is going to something special!

Edit: just read my comment and realised how easy i made the calibra and cossie one sound. They arnt easy, so the subaru one is going to be a get the proper equipment out job or your going to kill yourself.

Yes i can read and i read it as you intended. I apreciate that you didnt realise how easy you made it sound but the reason i have reacted the way i did is because i dont feel that you realy fully understand exactly whats required to make it work.

i didnt mean it to come across as bitchy as it proberly did mate but i see threads like these atleast once a month and i usualy ignore them rather than get plauged with questions that i have already anwsered a million times already. It does get my back up some times when people say you can put this in that or fit that to this or another faivorite is will a such and such fit a such and such
The anwser is yes how much work is envolved is another question anything is possable when it comes to building cars your only limits are budget skills dedication and imagination

back on topic if you want to have a go mate go for it dont let anybody tell you it cant be done be be warned do your research and make sure you fully understand exactly what your about to let yourself in for have a look at my thread in my link if you want an idea of the exstent of work that would be required

[MK999]

tbh he's perfectly correct in what he's said, given the limited mods you need to do the front end, engine mounting, wiring, etc, it is easier with calibra parts, same as scaling the eiger is easier than the everest. He doesn't actually state that it's easy.

[ste porter]

apart from the actual engine mountings very similar structural work would be required wheather your fitting calibra evo or pulsar running gear doesnt matter how you sugar coat it and or what you use
completly re structuring the bulk head relocating and modifing steering components and engineering a new forward floor rear subframe assembaly and so on and. for your average person or general fitter this sort of work isnt easy
the only reason i considered taking it on isnt because of my mechanical knowledge its because im a welder fabricator and structural engineer by trade it takes abit more than chop that here put that there when you start taking in to acount acting forces stress points ect

and dont take offence but by saying that only limited mods would be required for the front end shows exactly what i have said about people commenting who realy havent exsperienced it first hand as it realy isnt simple at all.
in all fairness it would have been easier to use something like a permenent 4x4 setup such as a pulsar engine and running gear but thats not what mine was about

i havnt ment to try and get anyones back up over this but it realy bugs me when people comment and realy have no idea how much work is envolved or more to the point dont necessarily fully understand the ins and outs of it and realise theres abit more to it than just make some mouts fab a tunnel fit a rear end and thats it

ask your self if it was simple in any way what so ever why have i never seen a single engine monocock designed vauxhall running geared 4x4 nova before?

as i say i havent ment to offend in any way

i would think some of the more exsperienced members will see my point though

[Jon_nova1]

I don't see your point either

I too think your reacting the wrong way, just because someone says its easier to do a calibra 4x4 it doesn't mean its going to be easy at all, its just easier compared to whatever your comparing it to

is it easier to fit a calibra 4x4 setup than an impreza setup? because based on that question alone someones argument will be invalid

[mowgli]

any prat can stick an engine into a bay, just ebay search projects, to actually fit a complete running gear in takes a hell of a lot of hours of though before the grinder comes out. and fitting the engine & box & making it run is only the start.... actually getting drive to all 4 wheels, and then making it handle is the hard bit, then once you get it all in, then there is the matter of making it all safe, tidy & legal enough to get it mot'd or allowed to go on a track......

it could be done, but it won't be easy, as ste's thread shows....

[Adaz_blud]

look in porters thread look how much he done and he like 12% through got too be a mad man too try and do something like that.

[mowgli]

just remember the 90% rule


90% of the work takes 10% of the time
the final 10% takes 90% of the time

[Rexy]

I read and i laughed and thought you should use a CP9A 5/6 Rs varient Non AYC

Much stronger, would cost less to tune upto 350/350 and bought salvage they would only set you back around 5k.

But in total honesty the nova shell/chassis is not upto the torque or conering forces. Jesus it costs a fair whack to get a XE to handle properly let along some cocked up 4x4 effort.

Good luck with your project if you decide to go ahead with it then get it on track and im sure one of the "track boys" will make you cry lol.

[Ernie]

lol nice one Rexy

[Gibbo]

chop shop did it in 3weeks with a golf lol

[Spudly]

chop shop did it in 3weeks with a golf lol



And it looked fecking repulsive too:eek:

[Jack]

Come to think of it, I want to see this done just so you have a legit reason to put a badge ont he back saying "Vauxaru Nompreza". lol

[farmertom]

just remember the 90% rule


90% of the work takes 10% of the time
the final 10% takes 90% of the time

So true!
I agree with ste on this theres a hell of alot of work involved in something like this alot more than you would first antisipate.

I own a triumph spitfire i would like to put a rover v8 in there but i need to figure out what diff to use, then what way to make the rear chassis hold suspension, diff and other parts with it bein all alighned correct.

The main reason im worried about suspension is because it has a leaf spring goin across the top of the axel, rather than havin 2 springs goin front to back. So would mean fabricating new mounts and such like to a good standard ie strenght and handling.
Iv been roughly thinkin about this for the last 6 months, drawn a few designs but the nova's taken up the time first lol.

[Jack]

^ Thats easy.

Step 1, sell spitfire
Step 2, buy a stag.

Finished :d

[Spudly]

Just fit a big exhaust to your car then disconnect number three plug lead, and go out and kick its head in, job done lol

[farmertom]

Stags are ****e, the most porely designed engine on the earth which is why people put ford v6 or rover v8s in them.

Im still thinkin about what to use yet anyhow, which is why i havent got my **** in gear. And done it already!

[mowgli]

just remember the 90% rule


90% of the work takes 10% of the time
the final 10% takes 90% of the time

So true!
I agree with ste on this theres a hell of alot of work involved in something like this alot more than you would first antisipate.

I own a triumph spitfire i would like to put a rover v8 in there but i need to figure out what diff to use, then what way to make the rear chassis hold suspension, diff and other parts with it bein all alighned correct.

The main reason im worried about suspension is because it has a leaf spring goin across the top of the axel, rather than havin 2 springs goin front to back. So would mean fabricating new mounts and such like to a good standard ie strenght and handling.
Iv been roughly thinkin about this for the last 6 months, drawn a few designs but the nova's taken up the time first lol.

for god's sake just use gt6 stuff, then forget the rover v8 & fit a triumph straight 6.... you even use the gt6 bonnet too.... or a ford zetec or similar. the rover v8 will be too wide for the front suspension.

[mowgli]

chop shop did it in 3weeks with a golf lol

don't tell me you believe the discovery channel idea of deadlines.........

all those shows are made up...... i was watching a custom my ride xmas special and they delivered the cars on xmas morning, and outside the house were halloween pumpkins

[burgo]

i have actually looked into the subaru running gear and think that part is very viable, using the subaru engine however you simperly have no where near enough space in the front of a nova

[Connor]

don't tell me you believe the discovery channel idea of deadlines.........

all those shows are made up...... i was watching a custom my ride xmas special and they delivered the cars on xmas morning, and outside the house were halloween pumpkins

100% true
pimp my ride uk was situated in colchester near where i used to work
and i knew one of the painters that was involved and they do most of them all at the same time, some taking upto 5months,
the VW camper that was on pimpmyride uk took 5 months

[farmertom]

Gt6 stuff is no good. Makes the front to heavy.
Rover v8 fits straight in mate seen it been done before the only mod needed is to cut a bit of the bulkhead away so the rocker covers dont mash into it, but as i said the diff is the weak link.

Tbh im in 2 minds iv got a 2lr 8v sat in my shed that could be used or i get a v8 an use that.

[Lee]

I will agree it takes a lot of planning. Ive been planning something for over a year and am only close to starting it now.

[mowgli]

I will agree it takes a lot of planning. Ive been planning something for over a year and am only close to starting it now.

its only a trailer with a barbie on it lee

[Lee]

its only a trailer with a barbie on it lee
lmfao lol That thing was just welding training lol

[calibra-keith]

i know it wont be easy or an over night thing, i want to try it as iv nothing really to loose and if i fail (and im man enough to admit its likely) at least i had the balls to try.

i know there is loads to think about and research but they has to be a start and asking if its been done, worth doing, ways of doing and problems likely to come across and helpfull topics/threads i havent yet come across that may be a good read is the start of some research, im always looking at threads like ste porters and loads of others on a few sites.

there are also some people who seem to think i mean just fit a scooby lump like you would with some sort of c20let conversion.. no i do mean the lot.
some of you may know how the scooby gear bolts together may understand a bit better and in thoery like burgo said is viable as they are depending on sizes and finding ways to fit.

i know i might have to (and dont mind) chopping most of the inside out and maybe even front end off and start again with box/tubing maybe even bits off scooby floorpan/turrets and tunnel with plenty of work, welding and strengthening.

if i go ahead with it i will try get some ideas and maybe plans/drawings up for people to say no that wont work or this way might be better.

[stupot89]

subaru engine was made buy cadburys iirc

[dj_wudgey]

go for it mate will be diferant!

[Sloth]

if it was me, id do it to a 4 dr loon and wide arch the ******* like a thundersaloon.

[Lee]

if it was me, id do it to a 4 dr loon and wide arch the ******* like a thundersaloon.
Widearching a 4 door would be a mission, the rear doors are right on the arch :wtf:

[burgo]

Widearching a 4 door would be a mission, the rear doors are right on the arch :wtf:was done with a 5 door. was a lush job aswell

[Lee]

Id like to see that :)

[burgo]

:( ive only seen one pic, gonna take me ages to find it

[Lee]

Dont put yourself out mate lol Im sure it'll turn up again sometime, they always do!

[Andy]

I take it it then renders the rear doors useless lol

[burgo]

I take it it then renders the rear doors useless lolnopes

[Sloth]

looky

http://totalcarlton.com/forums/index.php?topic=10563.0

pure porn

[Lee]

I just messed myself

[Sloth]

same here. now imagine a 4dr done like that....

[Lee]

It wouldn't look anything like it lol

[Andy]

It would resemble something like thunderbird 2,and have the aerodynamics of a block of flats.............

[Sloth]

depends how baxter you get with it.....

[Sloth]

It would resemble something like thunderbird 2,and have the aerodynamics of a block of flats.............

same as an xe nova then lol lol lol

[Andy]

Or maybe as good as this LOL

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/modified-escort-mk4-xr3i-project-/190394815914?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2c546a55aa

[burgo]

my good ****ing god what is that

[Andy]

lol lol lol thats the best ive seen for a long long time

[Spudly]

Or maybe as good as this LOL

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/modified-escort-mk4-xr3i-project-/190394815914?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2c546a55aa



Holy ****ing ****, jesus ****ing wept my eyes sting so much **** me thats ******* ****ing horrible:eek::eek:

[mowgli]

406 peugeot backend???? some tw4t's been watching leepu & bernie

[bmw156]

looky

http://totalcarlton.com/forums/index.php?topic=10563.0

pure porn

OMG:eek:

[mowgli]

jesus martin, don't tell me youve never seen the thundersaloon carlton????

in the end, they made them fit std. doors & it looked shyte, but john cleland made his name in it.... i saw it race once, and it was as fast as it looked, there was a stars & stripes manta 400 (chevy v8) too, they raced for an hour with a driver change, & it was fantastic racing

[dj_wudgey]

that carlton is pure porn loved it since the first time i saw it lol

[nova_saloon]

apart from the actual engine mountings very similar structural work would be required wheather your fitting calibra evo or pulsar running gear doesnt matter how you sugar coat it and or what you use
completly re structuring the bulk head relocating and modifing steering components and engineering a new forward floor rear subframe assembaly and so on and. for your average person or general fitter this sort of work isnt easy
the only reason i considered taking it on isnt because of my mechanical knowledge its because im a welder fabricator and structural engineer by trade it takes abit more than chop that here put that there when you start taking in to acount acting forces stress points ect

and dont take offence but by saying that only limited mods would be required for the front end shows exactly what i have said about people commenting who realy havent exsperienced it first hand as it realy isnt simple at all.
in all fairness it would have been easier to use something like a permenent 4x4 setup such as a pulsar engine and running gear but thats not what mine was about

i havnt ment to try and get anyones back up over this but it realy bugs me when people comment and realy have no idea how much work is envolved or more to the point dont necessarily fully understand the ins and outs of it and realise theres abit more to it than just make some mouts fab a tunnel fit a rear end and thats it

ask your self if it was simple in any way what so ever why have i never seen a single engine monocock designed vauxhall running geared 4x4 nova before?

as i say i havent ment to offend in any way

i would think some of the more exsperienced members will see my point though

i know you wernt really trying to offend and i was just teasing :d. dont worry ive been through your thread and i know it isnt easy. (in the slightest) that why i put the edit in two seconds after i read my post, looking at how easy i made it sound. personally i dont think i got the patience just known the rough outlines of what would need to be done, but im a mechanic not an engineer. though maybe someday

[david dixon]

just to throw another spanner in the works, there is another 4x4 nova, around 60% complete!

David.

[ste porter]

the one with the roof chop?

[david dixon]

no a lad up here near bishop auckland is building one too and there's been one around for about 10 year but as a rally car.

David.

[Danny s-p]

no a lad up here near bishop auckland is building one too and there's been one around for about 10 year but as a rally car.

David.tell me more about this 4x4 one please dave is it going to be road legal

[david dixon]

yes it is mate, he's wanting it at york this year if he can.

[Danny s-p]

yes it is mate, he's wanting it at york this year if he can.sweat all have to have a nosey around that wat running gear he use

[david dixon]

its calibra turbo running gear danny, i'll see if i can sort some pics out for you next time i see you

[Danny s-p]

its calibra turbo running gear danny, i'll see if i can sort some pics out for you next time i see youthanks did you get my pm:thumb:

[david dixon]

yes i did mate cheers

[calibra-keith]

So far i have found out its been done to civic, couple of escorts and a mk1 golf, probably loads more around who knows.

they seem to be near on full floor pan swap and rear turrets replaced with the scooby turrets.

[david dixon]

yeah i have seen a mk1 golf in white using the scooby floor!

David.

[dj_wudgey]

^^ yea ive seen that at york aswell the white one!!