View Full Version : i'm relying on you all on thursday.
As i have said before, i don't care who you vote for, but i will have a very poor opinion of you if you don't bother to vote.
JUST VOTE FOR
SOMEBODY
if anybody tries to explain why they can't be ar$ed to vote, i will neg rep them, because it is your duty not only to yourself but for the future of all of us
Just don't vote labour :thumb:
Labour will not win, don't worry about it.
just vote for whoever you like.
if you dont vote you should get sh1t in the post.:thumb: lol
ive actually been looking at each party and there manifesto with a clear/unbiased attitude. im still unsure who to vote for tho tbh
ive actually been looking at each party and there manifesto with a clear/unbiased attitude. im still unsure who to vote for tho tbh
i know that one, damper....... i'm getting closer to deciding, but the choice is like being asked would you prefer to be kicked in the left or the right knacker... i've managed to weed out some terrible ones, but i will decide when i'm in the booth
draper, the labour lot will tax the funk out of stella, tories will ban it and make you drink port old boy, and the lib dems will let you have it, but it will have to be made in a fair and equal way lol
vote burgo
it is not a poll..............
thursday is the most important day in possibly the next 15 years.......
i know people take the piss about my age, but i can remember the last time labour were in power & about to lose an election... it took the tories 15 years to sort out everything, then labour rode it for a good 10 years, and it stopped.
Pistol Pete
04-05-10, 05:18 PM
if anybody tries to explain why they can't be ar$ed to vote, i will neg rep them, because it is your duty not only to yourself but for the future of all of us
+1 IMO.
if i could vote i would, im too young :(
EDIT: Please dont think bad of me mowgli lol ",
it is not a poll..............
thursday is the most important day in possibly the next 15 years.......
i know people take the piss about my age, but i can remember the last time labour were in power & about to lose an election... it took the tories 15 years to sort out everything, then labour rode it for a good 10 years, and it stopped.
So who you voting for then?
hows "im not registered to vote" as an excuse?
hows "im not registered to vote" as an excuse?
Lame
Mike, I thought 'everyone' from the 80's hate the tories..... or is it that the tories had to do "bad" things to make it all better and it took so long that they were ousted just as they got things 'fixed' ?
Pistol Pete
04-05-10, 05:24 PM
A poor one. You can register for postal vote, so you dont have to go to a polling station!!
http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/
takes 5 mins. it isnt an excuse btw.
pikey1986
04-05-10, 05:25 PM
ive voted, got my papers through the post last week and posted them back on saturday
I shall be voting on my way to work. I' ll probally get in from work the night before, sleep, wake up, shower. Then i'll have to head straight to the polling station so i'm not late for work. So no one has an excuse not to go :)
This will be the first time i'm voting. Not sure who yet but it wont be the Blues or the Reds.
dunno who to vote for cos they never do wit they say they r gonna do just a load of sh*t to get in
Mike, I thought 'everyone' from the 80's hate the tories..... or is it that the tories had to do "bad" things to make it all better and it took so long that they were ousted just as they got things 'fixed' ?
well, it all depends on the political spin you believe stu, but things were tough, but the numbers of unemployed in the 80's were real figures, not these managed figures, there are way more unemployed now than at any point in the eighties. in the 80's, people were actively looking for work... if there were no jobs, you moved to where there were some.... our army fought wars, but everyone backed them, we had a government that actively fought our corner in europe, and got some huge concessions, labour in those days were proper hard line socialists, who had come from nothing, not like the current crop, the tories were all people who had run businesses, and had made good.. the liberals were a well reasoned alternative, as were the SDP... when they merged, the trouble started.........
but on the whole, the tories were what the country needed at the time
dunno who to vote for cos they never do wit they say they r gonna do just a load of sh*t to get in
so you vote snp then??? they will never have a referendum on independence because the scottish public purse would lose about 40% overnight
so who do we need now do you think??
I know the unemployed list is "managed", why else is EVERYONE encouraged to goto uni, keeps the unemployed numbers in a different bucket for 3-5 years lol
My folks seemed to do good in the 80's, starting with nothing and ending up on the property ladder in such a way that we could move to cornwall, rent and still make money on the rent from the house we purchased and let out lol
So who you voting for then?
i am swaying between lib dem & tory. our local constituency has large numbers of both, and labour is nowhere to be seen, and hasn't for decades, even though we have a lot of traditional 'labour' industries.
our tory mp has not really done much but also hasn't screwed us over, but our lib dem candidate hasn't done anything before, and whatever his views, he is 15 years younger than me, and has no experience in anything except politics..... i am definitely 50/50 on this
but on the whole, the tories were what the country needed at the time
im leaning towards thats what we need on thursday aswell.
i was thinking a hung parliment would be a good idea but i cant get rid of the naging feeling all future decisions would then be made by backhand handshakes, double crossing etc (yes that goes on now but only across the ruling party not all 3 lol)
so who do we need now do you think??
the party that is going to be brave enough to make truly unpopular decisions is the one we need, because this 'downturn' is no way past yet, the unimaginable national debt is going to cripple us. anyone with a big mortgage & low income is in real trouble, the interest rate is low now, it will go up very soon, because it has to. money isn't worth anything at the moment, anyone with savings or a pension scheme is losing money left right & centre. so the cost of petrol and how green we are are peanuts...... this hole in the public finances is terrifying me, and i worry about my own money a lot
General Baxter
04-05-10, 05:46 PM
i wont be voting lol,
doubt ill have time with the problems my nova is giving me at the mo, (might have to wait for the scrap man to take it away)
if theres time ill vote
I know the unemployed list is "managed", why else is EVERYONE encouraged to goto uni, keeps the unemployed numbers in a different bucket for 3-5 years lol
My folks seemed to do good in the 80's, starting with nothing and ending up on the property ladder in such a way that we could move to cornwall, rent and still make money on the rent from the house we purchased and let out lol
uni was for the elite for a reason.
when i was 16, you could get a decent job with 'o' levels, start as a junior, and work up, that has gone.......
these days, you need a degree to get a job in a fast food outlet........
the secondary education of this country has been devalued. the reason that gcse's and A levels get higher 'a' grades year on year is not because people are getting cleverer....... far from it.
pikey1986
04-05-10, 05:50 PM
at the risk of sounding dumb, what does SDP stand for?
i wont be voting lol,
doubt ill have time with the problems my nova is giving me at the mo, (might have to wait for the scrap man to take it away)
if theres time ill vote
baxter, the councill office polling station is about 250yds from your door, by nipping down the alley, you could walk there quicker than if you drove, even in a good car
at the risk of sounding dumb, what does SDP stand for? social democratic party, they were made up of disenchanted senior labour party figures. under michael foot, labour had moved so far to the left that they were almost communists, and the sdp moved to the middle ground, then merged with the liberals to make the lib dems.
undecided BNP or UKIP
so a vote for labour then.........
bnp have no real tangible policies, apart from really sorting out the foreign aid that we lavish on such countries as india..... they have a space program & an arms race with pakistan, and we give them aid???????
ukip quite simply want us out of europe as a trading nation. it would take about 25 years to manage something like that.......
Ukip it is then lol
im to young to even understand all this stuff. well just dont want to know
pikey1986
04-05-10, 06:04 PM
cheers mowgli, i also agree with you about needing a qualification to do the simplist(sp) of jobs, im stuck earning less than £200p/w for what i think will be a very long time
seriously jimbo, if a bnp or ukip candidate came to my door, i would grill him on all sorts of subjects like speed cameras, curry houses, airport tax, import duty, schools policy, and find out what they reckon they can really do in government, because all of that crap i mentioned is important to us all
uni was for the elite for a reason.
when i was 16, you could get a decent job with 'o' levels, start as a junior, and work up, that has gone.......
these days, you need a degree to get a job in a fast food outlet........
the secondary education of this country has been devalued. the reason that gcse's and A levels get higher 'a' grades year on year is not because people are getting cleverer....... far from it.
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Employers dont give people a chance these days,they would rather pay peanuts and go through staff like theres no tomorrow.As they know theres probably 100people who they could get to fill the position in a matter of minutes.
Ive noticed alot of friends who had apprenticeships at companies finish "their time" then get laid off because the company wont pay a full wage,to then be advertising for apprentices to milk for the next X amount of years:tard:
cheers mowgli, i also agree with you about needing a qualification to do the simplist(sp) of jobs, im stuck earning less than £200p/w for what i think will be a very long time
opportunities do arise with age, just get ready to take them when they appear. experience counts a hell of a lot in small businesses as does talent & initiative.. but not in big businesses with HR departments
All they want is a piece of paper to say you have read about doing it:tard:
:thumb: :thumb:
Employers dont give people a chance these days,they would rather pay peanuts and go through staff like theres no tomorrow.As they know theres probably 100people who they could get to fill the position in a matter of minutes.
Ive noticed alot of friends who had apprenticeships at companies finish "their time" then get laid off because the company wont pay a full wage,to then be advertising for apprentices to milk for the next X amount of years:tard:
yep, another reason the economy is failing and will struggle to recover imo
im also finding that more and more employers are using recruitment agencies to get staff meaning people like me (experience but no actual papers although im working towards them) dont even get a look in as i dont tick enough boxes on a sheet even tho im prepared to start at the bottom and prove my worth etc etc
our company took on a fitter who was fresh from a part-time course and 'qualified' but didnt know how to use a drill :roll:
opportunities do arise with age, just get ready to take them when they appear. experience counts a hell of a lot in small businesses as does talent & initiative.. but not in big businesses with HR departments
amother thing im finding out quickily. i know spend my days off driving round companies, knocking on doors
although its scary how many companies out last years yellow pages have now folded
pikey1986
04-05-10, 06:11 PM
mig welders round my area are only getting £6.50p/h give or take a quid, has been like it for a year or 2, its what is really putting me off going back to college and doing my NVQ L3 as i'd be no better off upon completion
mig welders round my area are only getting £6.50p/h give or take a quid, has been like it for a year or 2, its what is really putting me off going back to college and doing my NVQ L3 as i'd be no better off upon completion
So again,whats the point in going to college for 2 years to gain a qualification for a job which pays less than Aldi Supermarket:wtf: :tard:
its a fukkin joke
in my experience, never work for a company with a 'customer service' dept.
because they really don't understand it..... everybody is in the customer service dept, even the cleaners, the box packers, everybody is there to serve customers.....i have been in a huge faceless office... i lasted 18 months and left... it nearly sent me proper mad. a hard working individual never gets promoted because they are too valuable in their current position, but a complete idiot will be onwards and upwards in no time
pikey1986
04-05-10, 06:15 PM
exactly, us young people are screwed either way
edit
should of quoted andy
mig welders round my area are only getting £6.50p/h give or take a quid, has been like it for a year or 2, its what is really putting me off going back to college and doing my NVQ L3 as i'd be no better off upon completion start advertising in the car section in your local rag doing mobile welding
im leaning towards thats what we need on thursday aswell.
i was thinking a hung parliment would be a good idea but i cant get rid of the naging feeling all future decisions would then be made by backhand handshakes, double crossing etc (yes that goes on now but only across the ruling party not all 3 lol)
dont be daft, the last one of them ended up in another election 6 months later.lol
dont be daft, the last one of them ended up in another election 6 months later.lol
hence the was bit :p
lol didnt spot that...
/goes and hides...
and tbh anyone who votes bnp is on a bigger bandwagon than the sloff bashing one...
bnp will never get in.their immigration jargon is all they have going for them
wasted vote
Please don't vote tactically.
Vote for who you want in.
I will be, not 100% sure who yet, but i know who wont be getting my cross.
CoolTiger
04-05-10, 06:56 PM
how do i register :D?
kelbelle
04-05-10, 07:17 PM
Im voting Tory.
I have read all 3 manifesto's (main ones obs) and decided that tory sounded best.
pikey1986
04-05-10, 07:22 PM
how do i register :D?
google about my vote
mk1nova_rich
04-05-10, 07:32 PM
bnp will never get in.their immigration jargon is all they have going for them
wasted vote
I support some of the ideas of the BNP and our local representative has a good manifesto so i am likely to vote for him, but on a larger scale Nick Griffin is quite frankly a ****er and misses the point that immigration is not this country's only problem. Although on that note, none of the parties have said much about overhauling the benefits system, which to me is where a lot of money can be saved, as the economy needs desperate measures to have any chance of getting back on its feet
Well, ive read no manifestos, researched naff all, read this entire thread an decided.....
Mowgli is older, substaintally wiser, politically minded so Im going to vote Lib Dem's on Mow's comments lol
Altho the benefit & immigration systems if a fcuking joke!
Well, ive read no manifestos, researched naff all, read this entire thread an decided.....
Mowgli is older, substaintally wiser, politically minded so Im going to vote Lib Dem's on Mow's comments lol
Altho the benefit & immigration systems if a fcuking joke!
mike don't just vote opposite to how you think i'm going to vote...... what might be good for me might not be good for you
mike don't just vote opposite to how you think i'm going to vote...... what might be good for me might not be good for you
lol i dunno is it opposite? Im breifly reading thru some manifesto BS on Google now tho.
The main things that nark me are stupid amounts of immigration of unskilled workers draining the system & the problems currently surrounding the benfit system being abused by millions daily.
mike....remember for every immigrant worker, there is a bloke, with a british passport making twice as much off the back of him.......
the immigrants didn't come here without there being work for them............
what they manage to send back to the old country is probably nowhere near what british tourists spend annually on foreign stuff, then there are the consumer imports, cars, tvs computers etc.....
mk1nova_rich
04-05-10, 08:00 PM
mike....remember for every immigrant worker, there is a bloke, with a british passport making twice as much off the back of him.......
the immigrants didn't come here without there being work for them............
what they manage to send back to the old country is probably nowhere near what british tourists spend annually on foreign stuff, then there are the consumer imports, cars, tvs computers etc.....
so true, and i dont blame immigrants for them coming here to work. i would do the same if i was in their position
mike....remember for every immigrant worker, there is a bloke, with a british passport making twice as much off the back of him.......
the immigrants didn't come here without there being work for them............
what they manage to send back to the old country is probably nowhere near what british tourists spend annually on foreign stuff, then there are the consumer imports, cars, tvs computers etc.....
True true....
Gonna have a nosey as the 3 main parties speil via google now :)
so true, and i dont blame immigrants for them coming here to work. i would do the same if i was in their position
There is that, strongest reason about 80k Britians emmigrate every year
There is that, strongest reason about 80k Britians emmigrate every year
nope... its cos they loved their 2 weeks in spain/algarve/provence & they retired with a good size payout & thought sod it, the weather is great over there, so they take hundreds of thousands out of the economy in one move.....
Jackroadkill
04-05-10, 08:08 PM
Will be voting Plaid Cymru
nope... its cos they loved their 2 weeks in spain/algarve/provence & they retired with a good size payout & thought sod it, the weather is great over there, so they take hundreds of thousands out of the economy in one move.....
But when it boils down to it, nothing can look after number one the way that number 1 stands tall on its own.
As the great Winston Churchill once said "A man does what he must, in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures, and that is the basis of all human morality."
Will be voting Plaid Cymru
i would too, if they fielded any candidates in england
Mowgli:
So what about the ones that enter here with no intention of ever getting a job and then milking the benefits system?
Mowgli:
So what about the ones that enter here with no intention of ever getting a job and then milking the benefits system?
what?? scots?
only kidding... seriously, these people come here to work.. i think there is a perception that people come here cos its the promised land... but the pound has been massively devalued, so it isn't worth as much.. people put me up some figures to prove me wrong....
Sums it up really.
http://newsarse.com/2010/05/05/election-contenders-in-final-preparations-to-begin-ignoring-you-again/
Mowgli:
So what about the ones that enter here with no intention of ever getting a job and then milking the benefits system?
they get caught mate, trust me. ;) :thumb:
Lee, the country is so screwed atm that none of the parties could hope to get away with ignoring the mess we are in
we spent 60 years paying off the debt from WW2, we now owe nearly the same amount cos of the banking....
MattBrown
05-05-10, 02:42 PM
Been watching this quite closely on tv etc, seems to me, that all 3 will tax you, keep the nhs under funded, and slow down school and teaching funds etc.
They seem to want more people going to uni, so we will end up with a country full of clever wits, who get offered foreighn jobs, and dissappear.
We need more crap jobs, stacking shelves, making things in factories etc.
trust me on this, the nhs is not under funded, far from it, it is buried under paperwork............... schools are the same.. they aren't allowed to dish out discipline on pupils any more, cos of paperwork
Been watching this quite closely on tv etc, seems to me, that all 3 will tax you, keep the nhs under funded, and slow down school and teaching funds etc.
They seem to want more people going to uni, so we will end up with a country full of clever wits, who get offered foreighn jobs, and dissappear.
We need more crap jobs, stacking shelves, making things in factories etc.
The more people in Uni, the better the unemployment statistics actually look though.
The film Farenheit 9/11 by Michael Moore breifly outlines this but with regards to the American system when Bush was in power.
plus with more people going to uni (and all these colleges being converted to 'unis') it devalues the qualification and we will soon be like the yanks, where everyone has a degree but its meaningless.
So we wont be a nation of cleverwits, we will be a nation of morons with Leisure and Tourism/Media Studies degrees lol
Have you seen the state of most students these days? They haven't got an ounce of common sense. I hate most of the ****s.
I'm going to vote. I'm sick to death of this country and doubt that it'll change, whichever party gets in. We're in too much of a mess. I hate the benefits system and that so many people know how to work it. I hate that the hard-working, lower income earners are the ones who are always hit the hardest with everything. I hate that petrol prices are so high and that if you get a second job in order to pay for the higher expenses, you get taxed even more. Everything is just ****. I'm voting for the Marmite Love party. Oh, and the Tories.
they get caught mate, trust me. ;) :thumb:
do they fukk,they stand in paragon square william hills on the roulette machines all day
ok, so how many of "them" do you think there are in hull?
ok, so how many of "them" do you think there are in hull?
If the government dont know, how the hell is he gonna know? lol
ok, so how many of "them" do you think there are in hull?
you tell me your the benefit expert
More than you can see from your little window sloth :p
err considering i'm the refugee awareness liason fior my office, and i have the figures here, i guess i can comment.
there are 2,700 refugees in hull at the last count. and thats from a total population of 400,000. not exactly taking all the jobs huh? and its only refugees that can claim benefits, not asylum seekers.
Then why do they all have more fcuking dollar than me?
err considering i'm the refugee awareness liason fior my office, and i have the figures here, i guess i can comment.
there are 2,700 refugees in hull at the last count. and thats from a total population of 400,000. not exactly taking all the jobs huh? and its only refugees that can claim benefits, not asylum seekers.
LMFAO at that figure,that truly is funny.That figure is obviously nowhere near the true story
Then why do they all have more fcuking dollar than me?
they don't own old vauxhall novas????
Then why do they all have more fcuking dollar than me?
:thumb:
they don't own old vauxhall novas????
No youre right, they drive alsorts of newer and fussier cars than i can afford and ive worked my entire life!
No youre right, they drive alsorts of newer and fussier cars than i can afford and ive worked my entire life!
Thats fukkin true also,theyre also draped in bling bling
LMFAO at that figure,that truly is funny.That figure is obviously nowhere near the true story
that is the figure for every single refugee claiming benefits, collated by a private firm, and verified by ourselves. :thumb:
so whats the true story?
could be that they are working shifts, and they don't drink, and they are living 5 to a room to keep the rent down
and they do the jobs normal brits are to fussy or lazy or just fecking bone idle to do? i.e. 5.80 for shifts doing nights in a meat factory?
err considering i'm the refugee awareness liason fior my office, and i have the figures here, i guess i can comment.
there are 2,700 refugees in hull at the last count. and thats from a total population of 400,000. not exactly taking all the jobs huh? and its only refugees that can claim benefits, not asylum seekers.
Thats a typical government response though.
Ill edit it for you.
there are 2,700 registered refugees in hull at the last count. Unfortunately the ones who come into the country on the back of lorrys dont tend to fill out application forms, therefore I dont have any information about them. Obviously thats not a problem because they wont be claiming benefits, because its impossible to obtain false documentation and vanish
and they do the jobs normal brits are to fussy or lazy or just fecking bone idle to do? i.e. 5.80 for shifts doing nights in a meat factory?
If thats aimed at me mate thats the wage im on at the mo, its also the nighest hourly rate ive ever been on in my life, and ive done some properly sh!te jobs in my time so dont be aiming comments about being too lazy or bone idle at me!
it wasnt aimed at anyone spud, chill. id have thought you knew me better than that.
Thats a typical government response though.
Ill edit it for you.
ahh but the unregistered ones get ferk all from us mate, so theyre out there working anyway, and doing jobs no one wants that need doing.
and they do the jobs normal brits are to fussy or lazy or just fecking bone idle to do? i.e. 5.80 for shifts doing nights in a meat factory?
I was in the position a couple of years back where i had to claim housing benefit and council tax benefit when i was out of work.Got offered a minimum wage job doing nights in a factory and the biggest lol was that i was actuall BETTER OFF on benefits financially then taking that job,this is my arguament-It needs to be were benefits are for emergencies only,and jobs need to offer more money ffs
Guess what i chose?? Too fukkin right,i did what was best for my family
yeah, but there is no way now you can be worse off. working tax credits sees to that. i can get all techie with you but i cba.
the tories voted against the minimum wage & their argument was 'it will be used as a maximum wage for millions of low paid workers' and labour ridiculed them for it........ funny how things turned out isn't it
mmm working tax credits... what a farse.
"tax dosent have to be taxing..expect for if we want to give it back, in whichcase its so freaking complicated and the response is never plain and simple"
lol
the tories voted against the minimum wage & their argument was 'it will be used as a maximum wage for millions of low paid workers' and labour ridiculed them for it........ funny how things turned out isn't it
Ive always thought it was a bad idea
Thats why labour introduced tax credits i bet,cos they realised they had ballsed up
the tories voted against the minimum wage & their argument was 'it will be used as a maximum wage for millions of low paid workers' and labour ridiculed them for it........ funny how things turned out isn't it
Agreed lol
why pay more than you legally have to, meh if you have high staff turn over for those going to get 5p/hr more, there will always be folks ready for your jobs :)
Ive always thought it was a bad idea
so you remove the min wage, and millions of factory workers and those on it, get their pay cut to £4 per hopur. if you scrap it they wont pay more, only less, as companies want all the profit they can get. so would you ork for £4 per hour? and as for using dole as a lifestyle and stayiong on it cos your better off, that ends next year. google work for your benefit.
Who are you voting for Rob?
my first proper full time job was for £2.10p/h, i got a raise after 3 months to £3, then on & up to £5.60, that was between 1988 & 1991. i earned £14k & it was classed as a good job.
Who are you voting for Rob?
english democrats. :thumb:
my first job paid £2.15 in 2003. as an apprentice, i got a raise to £3.57 in 2005.
so you remove the min wage, and millions of factory workers and those on it, get their pay cut to £4 per hopur. if you scrap it they wont pay more, only less, as companies want all the profit they can get. so would you ork for £4 per hour? and as for using dole as a lifestyle and stayiong on it cos your better off, that ends next year. google work for your benefit.
but people will vote with their feet and leave said factory for one that is paying more... the first palce will have little to no staff to make stuff, so will have to pay more again.
It will become like the middle to high end contracting game where the employer will raise and drop the rates throughout the year and people will move round lots unelss they get a good rate etc.
Its actually a good way to sift through the crap people to work out whos worth paying to keep.
but people will vote with their feet and leave said factory for one that is paying more... the first palce will have little to no staff to make stuff, so will have to pay more again. but what if all factories are payi9ng £4 p/h? you have to take it as theres no other option?
It will become like the middle to high end contracting game where the employer will raise and drop the rates throughout the year and people will move round lots unelss they get a good rate etc.
Its actually a good way to sift through the crap people to work out whos worth paying to keep..
my first job paid £2.15 in 2003. as an apprentice, i got a raise to £3.57 in 2005.
There we are look,Mowgli 20 years ago got paid the same as what they pay apprentices now,even though the cost of living has increased obscenely
So tell me,where is the logic in that???
my first job paid £2.15 in 2003. as an apprentice, i got a raise to £3.57 in 2005.
Bollox, min wage was higher than that mate:p
I started in a supermarket in 1997 and i was on £2.88 ph, this went up to £3.08 at the first increase of the min wage round about '98 iirc, i was on about £4.70+ by about 2003!
There we are look,Mowgli 20 years ago got paid the same as what they pay apprentices now,even though the cost of living has increased obscenely
So tell me,where is the logic in that??? there isnt, i had an arsehole of a boss who treat me like ****. the reason apprentices get crapo pay is a little known clause in pay law, that basically says, "if the employee is on an apprenticeship, his training costs can be classed as a part of his wages" thus meaning you get ferk all as £10k of training per annum is also "your pay":eek:
Minimum wage isnt the issue. Its the tax on living in this country. Why are we taking a wage and then getting tax credits from the governemt which, in essence, are so we can afford to pay tax back to the government?
Its like robbing peter to pay paul. Oh, hang on, thats basically what the government does isn't it.
There we are look,Mowgli 20 years ago got paid the same as what they pay apprentices now,even though the cost of living has increased obscenely
So tell me,where is the logic in that???
as i said, blame the minimum wage..... it artificially stifled the labour market, inflation has meant that everything has more than doubled in that time, yet wages havent
spud, see above cheif. btw got a envelope here for ya, when do you want it?
Minimum wage isnt the issue. Its the tax on living in this country. Why are we taking a wage and then getting tax credits from the governemt which, in essence, are so we can afford to pay tax back to the government?
Its like robbing peter to pay paul. Oh, hang on, thats basically what the government does isn't it.
Exactly:thumb: :thumb: I couldnt agree more
Minimum wage isnt the issue. Its the tax on living in this country. Why are we taking a wage and then getting tax credits from the governemt which, in essence, are so we can afford to pay tax back to the government?
Its like robbing peter to pay paul. Oh, hang on, thats basically what the government does isn't it.
your correct, basically tax credits is the govt giving you your tax plus a tenner per week back.
your correct, basically tax credits is the govt giving you your tax plus a tenner per week back.
Thus resulting in people thinking they have more disposible income to spend on "luxuries".Which then line the pockets of the fat cunnts who ruin the country
the public sector is about to have the biggest upheaval since the creation of the welfare state, every department will have to make massive cuts, the non labour run councils are already having to do it, so buckle up, its going to be a bumpy one. expect the immigration problem to solve itself very quickly, because there will not be any money for anyone....
ask your grandparents about rationing & the 'export or die' push in the fifties, because it will be just like that soon
your correct, basically tax credits is the govt giving you your tax plus a tenner per week back.
lmfao I wish it was my even a quarter of my tax + a tenner back...
If alll places did £4/hr then no one would work and use benefits... or you would find one place offering 10p more so folks would leave the rest and so the supply and demand would begin to work properly. Its not a hard concept to think about properly without resorting to believeing that min wage is vital.
my first job was £8/hr sweaping a factory, security clearence + cool agengy FTW lol
They need to kickstart British industry again,look how many factories are closing/closed in the last few decades.We dont make fukk all anymore.
the public sector is about to have the biggest upheaval since the creation of the welfare state, every department will have to make massive cuts, the non labour run councils are already having to do it, so buckle up, its going to be a bumpy one. expect the immigration problem to solve itself very quickly, because there will not be any money for anyone....
ask your grandparents about rationing & the 'export or die' push in the fifties, because it will be just like that soon
viva la revolution!!!!!!!
I'm all up for exporting the ass out of this place, there is a huge hole in our manufacturing industry, and it can be fired up again in a hurry if its supported rright. There is the skilled workforce there to do it too!
btw got a envelope here for ya, when do you want it?
Err whats that, i dont accept envelopes full of anthrax you knows!
your correct, basically tax credits is the govt giving you your tax plus a tenner per week back.
So the government give everyone their tax back plus some money, then hike the tax up on everything else to make the money back.
http://gadgetsteria.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/implied-facepalm.jpg
it is not a poll..............
thursday is the most important day in possibly the next 15 years.......
i know people take the piss about my age, but i can remember the last time labour were in power & about to lose an election... it took the tories 15 years to sort out everything, then labour rode it for a good 10 years, and it stopped.
I'm older than you...
...so am I a target too??? :)
I'll be at the booth tomorrow, around 7.30am, just before workkkkkkk...
Jackroadkill
05-05-10, 05:57 PM
The minimum wage is only there to hold the working classes where the faceless bureaucrats in Whitehall want them - i.e. too poor to do anything other than work. If it were removed wages would not be cut for those in existing jobs as a unilateral adjustment of pay is illegal under both British and European law.
The minimum wage is just another weapon in successive uk governments' campaigns, be they Tory or Labour, before or since the introduction of the MW, to keep the working classes poor, frightened and divided.
we have huge coal reserves, we have iron, we have limestone, yet we have no real british steel industry left, the indians own it!!!!!!!!!!
our engineers are at the forefront of so many fields of industry, including the motor industry, yet we have london taxis as our biggest domestic manufacturer......this government has been too keen to purchase on price alone for way too many things... the french government always works out the cost & then buys the best french stuff, the german government does the same.. but not here.
our farming industry is one of the most efficient & ethical in the world, but labour won't sign up for a huge load of european grants that we are due, why??? cos farmers don't vote labour
The minimum wage is only there to hold the working classes where the faceless bureaucrats in Whitehall want them - i.e. too poor to do anything other than work. If it were removed wages would not be cut for those in existing jobs as a unilateral adjustment of pay is illegal uder both British and European law.
The minimum wage is just another weapon in sucessive uk governments' campaigns, be they Tory or Labour, before or since the introduction of the MW, to keep the working classes poor, frightened and divided.
oh how wrong that is..... the tories have never once wanted people to be poor, they want people to try to get rich.. more money = more taxes, simples... labour has wanted people poor enough to need trade unions .... unions pay for the labour party, and their policies simples too
Err whats that, i dont accept envelopes full of anthrax you knows! an invite. :thumb:
Jackroadkill
05-05-10, 06:02 PM
labour won't sign up for a huge load of european grants that we are due, why??? cos farmers don't vote labour
It's worse than that - the Government have been holding over a billion pounds of European money that was given as a grant scheme to the British farmers for 18 months without releasing a single penny. No wonder we don't vote Labour...
The minimum wage is only there to hold the working classes where the faceless bureaucrats in Whitehall want them - i.e. too poor to do anything other than work. If it were removed wages would not be cut for those in existing jobs as a unilateral adjustment of pay is illegal uder both British and European law.
The minimum wage is just another weapon in sucessive uk governments' campaigns, be they Tory or Labour, before or since the introduction of the MW, to keep the working classes poor, frightened and divided.
oh how wrong that is..... the tories have never once wanted people to be poor, they want people to try to get rich.. more money = more taxes, simples... labour has wanted people poor enough to need trade unions .... unions pay for the labour party, and their policies simples too
mowgli for pm, your bang on the money. tho not all unions fund labour.
The minimum wage is only there to hold the working classes where the faceless bureaucrats in Whitehall want them - i.e. too poor to do anything other than work. If it were removed wages would not be cut for those in existing jobs as a unilateral adjustment of pay is illegal uder both British and European law.
The minimum wage is just another weapon in sucessive uk governments' campaigns, be they Tory or Labour, before or since the introduction of the MW, to keep the working classes poor, frightened and divided.
oh how wrong that is..... the tories have never once wanted people to be poor, they want people to try to get rich.. more money = more taxes, simples... labour has wanted people poor enough to need trade unions .... unions pay for the labour party, and their policies simples too
^^ yeah that.
rich people = richer people get even richer
Poor people = folks you can push around and manipulate to your own ends
We should form our own party
/\ its called a coup or a revolution mate.
sloth, i listen to a lot of radio debates, and the language of the union bosses over the last couple of years sent a shiver down my spine........ they sounded just like the old union dinosaurs of the late seventies who would get the workers out for absolutely anything they could just to show who was boss, yet the leaders of these unions were wealthy beyond most peoples dreams.....these old unions were the cause of the demise of the old british industries.
We should form our own party
tonight we're gonna party like its 1979
Jackroadkill
05-05-10, 06:08 PM
oh how wrong that is..... the tories have never once wanted people to be poor, they want people to try to get rich.. more money = more taxes, simples... labour has wanted people poor enough to need trade unions .... unions pay for the labour party, and their policies simples too
The Tories do want working-class people to be poor, but they also want a strong middle class for the reasons you outline. Sorry, should have made my rhetoric a bit clearer!
tonight we're gonna party like its 1979
hahaha
Jackroadkill
05-05-10, 06:09 PM
tonight we're gonna party like its 1979
Genius!
now that should have been an election slogan!!!!!!!!!!!
always the bridesmaid..........
Jackroadkill
05-05-10, 06:11 PM
now that should have been an election slogan!!!!!!!!!!!
always the bridesmaid..........
In fact, you can have some rep for that one.
Andy- I'd have repped you but I'm not allowed. It's such a shame that there are so, so many empty factories about. Most of them have been demolished to make space to build new houses.
As for people being to bone idle to work -Sloth- I don't think that's true at all. People just know that they'd might as well be on benefits instead of working for sweet FA. Especially working a night shift at minimum wage. Where most of the jobs will go to the immigrants anyway because the employers know they can get away with more. They can pay minimum wage as they know that they will work for it.
lynz, i think we all could honestly say that we know of a few lazy people who have never worked, and seem to do ok on 'the sick'
Gotta be possibly the best topical debate thread ive ever read on this site!
Makes a fantastic read!
As for knowing a few "sick" people who are doing "ok", Ive have the displeasure of going into there homes on a daily basis. Last Monday i was in a house, where the son was bragging that he'd never done a days hard graft in the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS!!!!
Cnut made me sick. Would have loved to have kicked his face off, but had to resort to merely reporting to the housing association instead :(
But you killed it. Baddum tish?!
brownbear
06-05-10, 01:22 AM
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146565
well, i've done my bit for the country.
General Baxter
06-05-10, 08:08 AM
and me, are you happy now lol
and me, are you happy now lol
nick, I am, thank you very much.
General Baxter
06-05-10, 08:14 AM
were still ****ed, and the speed humps are still here lol
were still ****ed, and the speed humps are still here lol
have patience, they don't count them till tonight
sloth, i listen to a lot of radio debates, and the language of the union bosses over the last couple of years sent a shiver down my spine........ they sounded just like the old union dinosaurs of the late seventies who would get the workers out for absolutely anything they could just to show who was boss, yet the leaders of these unions were wealthy beyond most peoples dreams.....these old unions were the cause of the demise of the old british industries.i know, it scares the **** outta me too, but my union is the 4th biggest in the uk, and we have NO connection with any party.
btw going to do my bit in a mo, our lass doesnt know who to vote for tho....
does it matter, you two wont be here soon.... or was that a lie too :p
Southie
06-05-10, 11:43 AM
:roll::roll::roll:
To vote for what?
Were headed alot deeper into recession first.
The only way out, is more tax, and less free money.
Labour, waste loads of money.
Conservatives look after them selves and there rich mates.
And the Lib dems just sit in the middle.
There is no point, total waste of my time;)
Off out to do my bit later on too :)
pikey1986
06-05-10, 04:23 PM
Gotta be possibly the best topical debate thread ive ever read on this site!
Makes a fantastic read!
As for knowing a few "sick" people who are doing "ok", Ive have the displeasure of going into there homes on a daily basis. Last Monday i was in a house, where the son was bragging that he'd never done a days hard graft in the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS!!!!
Cnut made me sick. Would have loved to have kicked his face off, but had to resort to merely reporting to the housing association instead :(
agreed, its like politics for dummies lol
TBH im hoping for a hung parliment really. Cant see UKIP winning, far from it! But the UK joining the Euro is a very bad thing!!
TBH im hoping for a hung parliment really. Cant see UKIP winning, far from it! But the UK joining the Euro is a very bad thing!!
no matter what anyone tells you, this country won't want to join the euro, because the banking sector will disappear into the eurozone & it will wipe out our biggest industry.
the pound has a fairly unique place in the global market, the pound will deal with any other currency, & the british banks are global affairs. it is a big no no
no matter what anyone tells you, this country won't want to join the euro, because the banking sector will disappear into the eurozone & it will wipe out our biggest industry.
the pound has a fairly unique place in the global market, the pound will deal with any other currency, & the british banks are global affairs. it is a big no no
Oh I know, but just imagine if the £ as we know it, was actually no more?
That would probably be as bad as Oil being sold in Euro's worldwide as oppose to $ (if that happend America would go bust overnight, literally! Youtube "PetroDollar" for more on that ;) )
Curtoise
06-05-10, 04:58 PM
im confused, i turned 18 in feb, but didnt sign up for this thing i was supposed to, apparently u have to sign up before you can vote?
Done :) 344th voter of the day
your mum gets the electoral roll form thru the post from the local council every year. then she should put the names of everyone who will be 18 in the next year on it, post it back, or even better, do it online & it gets updated. so she is to blame.
your mum gets the electoral roll form thru the post from the local council every year. then she should put the names of everyone who will be 18 in the next year on it, post it back, or even better, do it online & it gets updated. so she is to blame.
AND being on the electorial register helps credit rating when just turning 18 ;)
& curtoise, you aren't the only one to miss out, my nephew isn't registered either......my sis in law feels really daft just now.....
I've just been and voted, don't know why I really bothered as I never bothered to read up on which party is going to do what, next time I'll read up proper.
I've been. It was awfully quiet compared with last time, I wonder if less people are voting or whether they've just learnt to tick your name off the sheet quicker on the way in?! lol.
Conservatives will win round here. George Osborne (Shadow Chancellor) is the local Tory MP.
Should be able to tell from when you went in and how many names were crossed off? Seemed busyish at mine, I'm guessing theres a fair few people like me that are voting for the first time as it's a chance to kick out the current lot that fooked things up
i was voter #1, i was banging on the doors this morning at five to seven, i really wanted mine to get in that sodding box
i didnt get untill 8.30 but there was still a que and its been like that all day apparently
its weird tho, going there today and hearing about all the queing and heated debates had my me quite proud to be english (doesnt happen often enough lately)
Well, one of two things will happen now....
We'll all wake to promises of a better UK that will never happen....
OR...
We'll all wake up to a hung parliment which means very bad times ahead :(
em blonde moment over here, what is a hung parliment in simple speak?
em blonde moment over here, what is a hung parliment in simple speak?
a draw lol
a draw lol
:wtf: how does that work,
oh and rep for the simple answer lol
no one party has a majority, so no one party can push through decisions. so they have to agree on stuff and seen as they all disagree, its a bastarrd
no one party has a majority, so no one party can push through decisions. and seen as they all disagree, its a bastarrd
like a coalittion (sp) government
em blonde moment over here, what is a hung parliment in simple speak?
As said, a draw.
Anything any parties wish to enforce needs to be agreed by ALL the parties of the commons. And seeing as none of the parties can agree on anything other then Earl Grey being served in Westminster, we'd all be SNAFU :(
like a coalittion (sp) government
or a load of horse trading with a minority party, who get the other party over a barrel....like mrs thatcher & the ulster unionists....
tbh i dont know much, but i do know that london still pulls the strings up here even tho we have hollyrood, the funding comes from london, thats why its still important to me to vote.
If it does result in a hung parliment tho, things are gonna get a whole lot worse :( before they get anywhere near like better.
tbh i dont know much, but i do know that london still pulls the strings up here even tho we have hollyrood, the funding comes from london, thats why its still important to me to vote.
PULLS THE BLOODY STRINGS????????????????????????? that must be why the scottish government has more than 20% more per capita for public spending.........
the view down here is 'why do we have all these scottish labour mp's running the place, when they can't actually use any power in scotland?????'
If it does result in a hung parliment tho, things are gonna get a whole lot worse :( before they get anywhere near like better.
there going to anyway, otherwise we never will get better - and thats why we need the tories in imho
RE the scottish vote
scottish politicians vote all about our policies even tho they want to be seperate - how does that work then ?
my question is why are my taxes paying for an MP to sit in london AND scotland AND the EU!! iirc its no 10 that decides hove much funding we get,
Whatever the outcome, we're ****ed.
RE the scottish vote
scottish politicians vote all about our policies even tho they want to be seperate - how does that work then ?
dont forget the welsh lol
there going to anyway, otherwise we never will get better - and thats why we need the tories in imho
I dunno, if there was to be one clear, decisive winner i think things *potentially* wouldnt be as bad (providing said winner aint got a cauliflower between his ears).
dont forget the welsh lol
[welsh accent] Are you sitting comfortably? Good, it must mean your sitting in a chair made by a welshman[/welsh accent]
lol
imo scotland needs a **** off berlin type wall. either that or dissolve your parliament and change the name to england. you cant have separate govts but be funded by one pot.
my question is why are my taxes paying for an MP to sit in london AND scotland AND the EU!! iirc its no 10 that decides hove much funding we get,
bazil, its a sum done by an economist in the late sixties that decides what scotland gets.......
you folk don't get taxed any more than us to get the extra parliament...... so the rest of britain also pays for holyrood, stormont & that place in cardiff....seriously, under labour, scotland has done way better....... loads of scots always seem to vote labour for the westminster election, but vote snp etc for the scottish one...... figure it out, basically the english have been taken for mugs
imo scotland needs a **** off berlin type wall. either that or dissolve your parliament and change the name to england. you cant have separate govts but be funded by one pot.
iirc mowgli offered a while ago to help rebuild hadrians wall from his side,
i'll help from my side :)
il help from both sides if it gets it bulit back up :p
lol lol
basically the english have been taken for mugs
Wouldnt be the first thought really (Bush administration mugging off Britain to go to war with them so he could coin it in on the back of stealing Oil)
bazil, its a sum done by an economist in the late sixties that decides what scotland gets.......
you folk don't get taxed any more than us to get the extra parliament...... so the rest of britain also pays for holyrood, stormont & that place in cardiff....seriously, under labour, scotland has done way better....... loads of scots always seem to vote labour for the westminster election, but vote snp etc for the scottish one...... figure it out, basically the english have been taken for mugs
who runs the welsh assembly? just out of interest.
who runs the welsh assembly? just out of interest.
Tree Fellars
Oh, my mistake thats the Irish one...
theres more than 3 mike :roll:
:d
iirc mowgli offered a while ago to help rebuild hadrians wall from his side,
i'll help from my side :)
bazil, i've got the brick lorries, i reckon we could get a heritage lottery grant.... it'd be easy..... seriously, politics get so complicated, the east midlands, where i'm from gets less government spend than any other region.....we even get less lottery spend...... we are also mainly tory....... coincidence????????????
politicians basically crap on anyone that doesn't vote them in. now that is a fact
16v Nova Kev
06-05-10, 10:48 PM
imo scotland needs a **** off berlin type wall. either that or dissolve your parliament and change the name to england. you cant have separate govts but be funded by one pot.
wash your fooking mouth out pal who has got all the oil and gas/whisky/golf... i think we contribute lots to the pot:thumb:
Mine fields would be cheaper, and more fun to watch.
theres more than 3 mike :roll:
:d
lol ive got the wrong name anyway, they cut down tree;s all day IIRC lol
16v Nova Kev
06-05-10, 10:50 PM
dont forget the welsh lol
they don't get a mention lol
wash your fooking mouth out pal who has got all the oil and gas/whisky/golf... i think we contribute lots to the pot:thumb:
Bah Germany's got more Golf then you :p lol Whiskys rank, Saudi Oil is better (Factiod!) an gas is er, just gas.
Bah Germany's got more Golf then you :p lol Whiskys rank, Saudi Oil is better (Factiod!) an gas is er, just gas.
meh hydro-electric:d
who runs the welsh assembly? just out of interest.
the welsh assembly has one thing going on..... they basically plan to teach every welsh child how to speak welsh, they have no other real powers & are just a large talking shop.... most of the south welsh haven't spoken welsh for generations, and they think of welsh speakers as a snobby group from the north, yet, they are having it rammed down their throats.... it is another tier of bureaucracy that does nothing except protect its culture....
one thing i would teach would be sign language, welsh aint no good outside wales but sign language IS a life skill that is usefull.
one thing i would teach would be sign language, welsh aint no good outside wales but sign language IS a life skill that is usefull.
Ironically, its not much good in wales either lol
First result is in. For Houghton and Sunderland South.
Vote Share %
Labour
50.3
Conservative
21.4
Liberal Democrat
13.9
Gay.
wash your fooking mouth out pal who has got all the oil and gas/whisky/golf... i think we contribute lots to the pot:thumb:
oil and gas, is under the north sea, and most comes onto land in england, its just the rigs off your coast.
whiskey, you can keep the stuff, i drink bourbon or vodka, straight.
golf, is played by homo's and cheats.
:thumb:
First result is in. For Houghton and Sunderland South.
Vote Share %
Labour
50.3
Conservative
21.4
Liberal Democrat
13.9
Gay.
safest labour seat in the land and its 11.7% down for labour.........
/\ that doesnt bode well...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/
Ironically, its not much good in wales either lol
Theres only 2 Welsh words any need know...
Araf & Heddlu.
In that order aswell lol
Ok maybe Rhaid could be useful re-reading that...
slow, police????
When a random sheep farmer shouts that at you whilst doing a spirited summer drive through mid wales :)
yes, coppers are slow. :d
was just about to say - here we go now with proper results
safest labour seat in the land and its 11.7% down for labour.........
She's got teeth the druids could use as a plac of worship
araf heddlu sounds like a smoker clearing his throat
When a random sheep farmer shouts that at you whilst doing a spirited summer drive through mid wales :)
if you can here farmers shouting a foreign language when driving 'spirited' then your doing it wrong pal lol
She's got teeth the druids could use as a plac of worship
Hello again Dwayne. lol :thumb:
yes, coppers are slow. :d
In a litte Welsh village called Tywyn, the police station closes at 5pm Mon-Fri, closes 1pm Sat & is shut all day Sunday.
Burglars have canney hours in Wales im telling you!!
Anyone see that Arnie called Cameron from California congratulating him on his win, because he saw the exit poll results on the telly.
Double fail lol
if you can here farmers shouting a foreign language when driving 'spirited' then your doing it wrong pal lol
Give us a chance, I drive a Diesel van lol
In a litte Welsh village called Tywyn, the police station closes at 5pm Mon-Fri, closes 1pm Sat & is shut all day Sunday.
Burglars have canney hours in Wales im telling you!!
same as our local one then - and they have an hour for dinner :roll:
Live ish results:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/election2010/results/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/
eh mike:roll:
She's got teeth the druids could use as a plac of worship
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/bus/ontour/images/oxford/bridget_phillipson_150.jpg mmmmm.
Jackroadkill
06-05-10, 11:16 PM
So, fellas, what's with all the Wales-trashing while I've been out?!
^^ i would
if her tits stick out further than her stomach she gets it
eh mike:roll:
Ohh didnt see that boss lol
So, fellas, what's with all the Wales-trashing while I've been out?!
we didn't knock wales, we just hate the assembly & the welsh language, or mostly its use to be utterly ignorant when english are about...... i have walked into rooms full of welshmen and they've switched language as the door opens.... so english is fine for welshmen when an englishman isn't there, and when they are discussing man u's game that was on the previous night, its a bit rich......
Jackroadkill
06-05-10, 11:23 PM
we didn't knock wales, we just hate the assembly & the welsh language, or mostly its use to be utterly ignorant when english are about...... i have walked into rooms full of welshmen and they've switched language as the door opens.... so english is fine for welshmen when an englishman isn't there, and when they are discussing man u's game that was on the previous night, its a bit rich......
Only joking, fella. I think the assembly's a bag of toss too, although I do my best to preserve the language. That said, you can speak Welsh without having to be a knob with it - and I've been in the same situation as you. It suprises them when you join in, aslo in Welsh, when they aren't expecting it.
^^ i would
if her tits stick out further than her stomach she gets it
FLOL lol lol
^^ i would
if her tits stick out further than her stomach she gets it
by that reckoning, baxters in for one too.........
by that reckoning, baxters in for one too.........
well, im single and if i get none by PV he might do lol
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