View Full Version : What hot hatch for £3k-ish
Anything about 1999 or newer, insurance isnt really an issue, budget is around the £3k mark.
MK4 astra :) ok its semi hot hatch lol.
can you get fiesta ST era marks in that area? even a Zetec S would be a hoot ime
l1nuxxx
03-05-10, 09:16 PM
Anything about 1999 or newer, insurance isnt really an issue, budget is around the £3k mark.
Clio sport, 206gti? Something french lol
Clio sport, 206gti? Something french lol
Out the 2, it would have to be a GTi180 or a Clio 172 (cheaper then the 182 but can rake 182hp using standard 182 system/manifold)
Only Mk4 Astra Id consider is a GSi Turbo (altho still not very interested in them) God knows on the ST thought.
Im getting this bloody Audi Turbo thing as a run around but Ill still be after something else.
ibiza cupra, fabia vrs, astra sri, 206 gti.
sulphur
03-05-10, 09:28 PM
Starlet :thumb:
306 GTI-6
PH1 172 or PH2 Cup
clio sport, pug 106 gti,golf gti, civic vtec, vts, starlet
am i am a hot hatch fan lol
You wont get a mk4 gsi for 3K
Best bet is a Clio 172 IMHO, or A3 1.8T, or Golf mk4 GTi
Mk4 Astra SRi aint "hot" in terms of performance imo, but its definently within your price range...
172 would be my choice, they go fooking well, look nice, have plenty of good mods available, yet still do 35mpg!!!
I never see 30mpg in my Mk4 SRI 2.0
the 1.8 'just' about manages 35mpg :S
novacabrio
03-05-10, 09:52 PM
Clio 172 or an Astra Coupe turbo? Not a hot hatch but worth considering?
Coupe Turb is a good option.
A lot cheaper than a Gsi, yet still 200bhp and they look well!!!
the 1.8 'just' about manages 35mpg :S Does your missus drive it a lot? :p lol
The most ive EVER seen from my 2.0 is 30mpg, thats 2k gear changes etc etclol
Well if everything goes to plan, ill be having an S reg Audi 1.8T delivered in about 2 weeks, only buying it for a few hundred quid as hack to resell for some easy £££
Good shout on the Coupe Turbo, I looked at some before there nice but dont know if there my cuppa tea like.
Im very much swayed by the 172's, purely for the power v's price v's insurance.
The newer Golf GTi;s are pap, the GTTDi is just as fast but 2 insurance groups less. But if the GTTDi is anything like the GTDi thingys, then my van keeps up with them when it actually runs right.
16v Nova Kev
03-05-10, 09:58 PM
audi a3 1.8t
peester
03-05-10, 09:59 PM
VR6 Golf
Does your missus drive it a lot? :p lol
The most ive EVER seen from my 2.0 is 30mpg, thats 2k gear changes etc etclol
when she drives it, its probably single figures lmao
I'm considering an auto derv as she will get single figures from a manual diesel lol
VR6 Golf
Once youve been in a supercharged one, the rest seem shÃ*tslow lol an there old, an shÃ*t & not very easy to resell.
My mates 172 really impressed me, I'm very tempted to get one at the end of the year although I want one in Monaco Blue and apparently they command a higher price tag than the others.
16v Nova Kev
03-05-10, 10:08 PM
lol the charged one i was in was siht slow.golf vr6
novacabrio
03-05-10, 10:09 PM
Im guessing you've ruled out Scoobys? What about a Leon 20v turbo?
MattBrown
03-05-10, 10:10 PM
106gti, £2000 see's a tidy one, leaving £1000 for coilovers, 4 branch, and an induction kit.
Hell of a car, so so impressed with cooltigers, stays with type r civics, and almost with a mk4 astra gsi turbo.
106gti? NAH
172 Cup, get a 182 manifold, decent K-tec exhaust. Spot on motor!!
180ish bhp in a light-ish car,and still does good mpg. Sorted all round!
Seriously tempted by one for my next car!
106gti, £2000 see's a tidy one, leaving £1000 for coilovers, 4 branch, and an induction kit.
Hell of a car, so so impressed with cooltigers, stays with type r civics, and almost with a mk4 astra gsi turbo.
Already had a couple when i was 18/19.
Currently looking at a loverly Corrado G60 for 2100 tho on eBay lol
106gti's are impressive for what they are, but are a younger persons car imo!!!
novalovingned
03-05-10, 10:15 PM
Clio 172 cup.
I get 36mpg around town in rush hour traffic and over 40 on the motorway. Cracking little cars, mine has never let me down (touch wood).
Its standard apart from a cda, decat and cat back exhaust and believe me......... Arctic corsa vxrs are not that fast lol
But please dont fool yourself into thinking that chucking on a 182 manifold will boost you to 182bhp (There actually 180bhp but for arguements sake). most of them have "rs" inlets as standard, hi flow cats, different map and a better flowing 4-2-1 manifold.
Hope you decide to get a cup though, less than 2000 left, mondial blue is by far the best colour imo, cheaper cambelt changes,less to go wrong, speedlines as standard, awesome in the twisties and fuel economy is second to none :)
Im guessing you've ruled out Scoobys? What about a Leon 20v turbo?
Never been interested in Impreza's TBH, unless its a baby metallic blue new age one lol I drove a unrevised mapped Leon Type R when they were new (200bhp not the 210bhp revised map) lovely to drive, just didnt feel overly well planted when giving it death :(
Clio 172 cup.
I get 36mpg around town in rush hour traffic and over 40 on the motorway. Cracking little cars, mine has never let me down (touch wood).
Its standard apart from a cda, decat and cat back exhaust and believe me......... Arctic corsa vxrs are not that fast lol
But please dont fool yourself into thinking that chucking on a 182 manifold will boost you to 182bhp (There actually 180bhp but for arguements sake). most of them have "rs" inlets as standard, hi flow cats, different map and a better flowing 4-2-1 manifold.
Hope you decide to get a cup though, less than 2000 left, mondial blue is by far the best colour imo, cheaper cambelt changes,less to go wrong, speedlines as standard, awesome in the twisties and fuel economy is second to none :)
Ahh some one in the know, qeustion: whats the difference between a Cup an Sport 172 then??
Lighter/Stiffer
No "goodies" like on a standard 172. No abs etc etc afaik.
Lighter/Stiffer
No "goodies" like on a standard 172. No abs etc etc afaik.
So similiar idea to the RS Evo's then basically?
How much lighter do you know Ad??
Cup versions have ESP or is that removed aswell?
[another non hatch]Diahatsu Copen?[/another non hatch]
I'll get me coat. lol
For a daily id get a 172 tbh.
If you aint arsed about comfort things, get a cup lol
Cup has less sound-proofing, thinner glass, cloth seats, no abs etc.
Basically, its a 172 but without the "nice" things.Kind of like a modern xe nova lol
you wont find a 106 gti that aint had a good hard spanking....
MAN UP and get a saloon...so much more choice
Xsara vts, Clio 172 Phs 1 *dont bother with the 182 manifold/decat* the 172phs is fast out the box.
306 rallye not the gti6 cas they are poofters cars
3k you could get an evo 3 or 4 not quite hot hatch tbh lol.
I say clio 172 Phs1 in all honesty, but get that 182 manifold idea out your head straight away. Decat, 2.5 system and a air filter job done.
peester
03-05-10, 10:30 PM
vr6 corrado then.. wont have problem selling that..
For a daily id get a 172 tbh.
If you aint arsed about comfort things, get a cup lol
Cup has less sound-proofing, thinner glass, cloth seats, no abs etc.
Basically, its a 172 but without the "nice" things.Kind of like a modern xe nova lol
Not all cups are like this dude, a lot of cups come better specced than a 182 lol the do have the ****ty seats tho no matter what... They also hadslightly tweeked suspension but they are still slower than a phs1.
The trophy is THE clio to have but that is down to the handeling package and the shocks will need to be rebuilt as soon as you get it unless they have no already been done so. i doubt you would get one of them for 3k tbh.
novalovingned
03-05-10, 10:33 PM
Ahh some one in the know, qeustion: whats the difference between a Cup an Sport 172 then??
Where to start lol Its a mans clio if there is such a thing :wtf:
The cup has no abs, traction control, xenon lights, air con, fake leather seats, cd changer, seat air bags etc etc. Basically all your mod con girl stuff. Making the cup 150kgs ish lighter.
The cup has a wider track and harder springs which in theory along with the 150kg dropped makes it faster and better handling.
It also has much more room in the engine bay than the normal 172 due to not aircon pipes and pulleys.
This is my one, im still loving it 2 1/2 years on :thumb: Like i said imo you will love it.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-sjc1/hs159.snc3/18668_101086036590604_100000676245837_29898_74822_ n.jpg
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs259.ash1/18668_101086033257271_100000676245837_29897_804313 4_n.jpg
Hope this sways the decision:d
Personally id have a standard 172 if you want to drive it daily. I dont see the point in binning all the "nice" bits to save a bit of weight, unless you're tracking it.
Are you keeping hold of yours now? It is one of the reasons I fancy one, looks very very tidy in person.
The only thing that a 172 cup needs is the phs 1 Throttle setup its then a perfeclty setup play toy.
novalovingned
03-05-10, 10:38 PM
Are you keeping hold of yours now? It is one of the reasons I fancy one, looks very very tidy in person.
Yup, its my future track car. Dont see the point in upgrading just now as it really is mint, mechanically sound and cheap to run.
Hope this sways the decision:d
persuaded me not to get one lol
LMFBO after all the slateing i got for getting a williams then a phquick 172 you lot make me sick pmsl!!!
Your only realising how good these little toys are now.. :) shocking! lol.
novalovingned
03-05-10, 10:41 PM
persuaded me not to get one lol
lol Cant please everyone lol
I've always liked Clio's, Williams, 16v, 172, 182 etc I'm not a hater lol
Love to muzzy ;) the haters know their corner and where they all belong! ;)
Your only realising how good these little toys are now.. :) shocking! lol.
Ive always known french FWD is handy stuff :thumb:
Anyway, just looking on the K Tec site, an er, hmmmm might be sold by a 172 ;)
Curiosity, Ph1 or 2, other then looks is one arguably better then the other? (personal preference i like Ph2).
Ph2 looks better, But Ph1 is a better drivers car..
phs 2 look a **** load better, phs1 are quicker Flyby wire and electric throttle is to blame.
Oh and there either ****ing awesomly reliable or an absolute sack of fooking ****e... lol.
Try and find out which has had the cambelt done as its £300ish to replace, engine mounts go for fun so uprate to the Gay Grp N jobbies from ktec. koni dampers and eibach setup works absolute wonders for a cheap setup. braided lines/ds2500 work wonders too.
www.cliosport.net (http://www.cliosport.net) i go to most cliosport meets lol bunch of spot on lads and always have a laugh with them.
I really didnt like the feel of the phs2, but i did have a williams before the 172 ad in honesty the 172 was a miles better car and i loved that williams :(
phs 2 look a **** load better, phs1 are quicker Flyby wire and electric throttle is to blame.
Oh and there either ****ing awesomly reliable or an absolute sack of fooking ****e... lol.
Try and find out which has had the cambelt done as its £300ish to replace, engine mounts go for fun so uprate to the Gay Grp N jobbies from ktec. koni dampers and eibach setup works absolute wonders for a cheap setup. braided lines/ds2500 work wonders too.
www.cliosport.net (http://www.cliosport.net) i go to most cliosport meets lol bunch of spot on lads and always have a laugh with them.
Nice one sunshine :) been having a reet nosey on K Tec, GrpN maps, lairy 4-1 manifolds & £7k turbo conversions :eek:
Think I might be going back to French motors TBH....
the std is a great manifold mate, get matched inlets as these prove to respond very very well. You have a 4branch equal length as standard and its more than upto the job.
I would throw a 206 GTI180 into the mix but I really do not rate them especially when you have the option of a 172. My 206 is a good car with a good spec but I don't think I would ever consider the 180
scoobies r great cars mine always puts a smile on my face lol but big upkeep runnings costs etc :-(
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=506032
for mikey ;)
Phs 1 with alloy bonnet well it should have W reg in silver. :P Clio geek.com
oh and this dude wants an evo 5
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=505764
i was tempted to give him mine supercharged 172 phs2 ... lol
Link fail you have to register....
CoolTiger
03-05-10, 10:58 PM
106gtis are cheap to buy and cheap to insure for how fast they are imo,
i know u said 1999 - newer but what about a pulser gtir
i know u said 1999 - newer but what about a pulser gtir
Eat gearboxs for fun :( and gearboxs for them aint cheap :( also standard brakes are shockingly bad lol Ive already been out an looked at a few this time last year (tax rebate time ;) )
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=506032
for mikey ;)
Phs 1 with alloy bonnet well it should have W reg in silver. :P Clio geek.com
oh and this dude wants an evo 5
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=505764
i was tempted to give him mine supercharged 172 phs2 ... lol
Link fail you have to register....
Nice one :) +Repz sir :) (click link in rep, youll LOLzz long time)
scoobies r great cars mine always puts a smile on my face lol but big upkeep runnings costs etc :-(
Great for £2k until they go into meltdown, and where I live there ten a penny, an also ten a penny in salvage lol lol
The 172 engines (F4R) aren't that reliable imo, my mate has endless amount of problems with his.
They make an XE look like it was made by Honda lol
novalovingned
03-05-10, 11:04 PM
phs 2 look a **** load better, phs1 are quicker Flyby wire and electric throttle is to blame.
Oh and there either ****ing awesomly reliable or an absolute sack of fooking ****e... lol.
Try and find out which has had the cambelt done as its £300ish to replace, engine mounts go for fun so uprate to the Gay Grp N jobbies from ktec. koni dampers and eibach setup works absolute wonders for a cheap setup. braided lines/ds2500 work wonders too.
www.cliosport.net (http://www.cliosport.net) i go to most cliosport meets lol bunch of spot on lads and always have a laugh with them.
I really didnt like the feel of the phs2, but i did have a williams before the 172 ad in honesty the 172 was a miles better car and i loved that williams :(
+1
I went to fcs with "The Bears" lol and the other scottish lads. Good group.
Like rexy said matched inlets are a must. There have been some superb proven gains.
MAN UP and get a saloon...so much more choice
Accord Type-R :cool:
I was looking at the machined inlets on KTec, seem good value given what it is like.
I was looking at the machined inlets on KTec, seem good value given what it is like.
There is this new inlet manifold thing that is still under development
http://www.jmstuning.co.uk/Forum%20Images/Prototype.jpg
Don't have to take your engine apart to change spark plugs either ;)
civic ek9 type r (import)
They look awesome with ITB's :cool:
civic ek9 type r (import)
They go for 5/6k+
civic ek9 type r (import)
Yeah ill take 2 for £3k a peice then, please show me some that cheap lol lol ....
novalovingned
03-05-10, 11:12 PM
I was looking at the machined inlets on KTec, seem good value given what it is like.
Jam sport also do them mate, I find k-tec expensive for most of there parts.
http://www.mk2focusrs.co.uk/home/renault-clio-172/engine-performance/air-filters-inlets/renault-clio-rs-modified-inlet.html
Bedtime for me now. Will sleep on it & make a decision I thinks....even though I know the outcome :)
Bedtime for me now. Will sleep on it & make a decision I thinks....even though I know the outcome :)
yeah outcome a bit too obouvis (sp)i think lol
I find k-tec expensive for most of there parts.
+1. More for the fan boys IME.
GTi-6
I agree. They are fantastic cars!
Novasport
04-05-10, 10:57 PM
Just to be different and throw something else into the mix, what about a Proton Satria GTi?
novacabrio
04-05-10, 11:15 PM
Big thumbs up for the satria from me, had a few as demos over the years excellent handling and you can bolt a super charger to them
DW-Nova
04-05-10, 11:15 PM
I know that it dosnt exactly go 100% with your search but i'd seriously look at a Toyota Levin... a what i hear most people say ? lol. I'd never ever heard of them either until i saw one for sale on e-bay, went to test drive it and LOVED it !!! It's basically Toyotas answer to the EK9 Civic type R, they come with a 1.6 20 valve engine with factory fitted 45mm itb's, make 162.5 bhp at 7800rpm and are awesome to drive !!! In all honesty the best best handling car i've ever drive, theyre pretty rare and are import only but seriously worth a look at the very least, if your intrested at all then i can tell you alot more about them, best of luck with whatever you buy.
craig green
04-05-10, 11:18 PM
172 or a Cupra imo. Cupra is more refined & less fun option.
If you fancy a 172 Mike I know for a minter with good mileage.
Just to be different and throw something else into the mix, what about a Proton Satria GTi?
Not a bad idea. Ive actually driven a road one (an loved it) an been out in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KKVlwDeLcg&feature=related) one, an also loved it!
My dad came up with a really good idea last night tho. Im 25 in February (10months away) an hes basically suggesting that for a 25th birthday present to myself, that I should just save up about £6k (between now & then) an buy/insure an nice Evo 4 or 5 or something like on my 25th birthday next year.
GTi-6
I agree......again :)
GTi-6
if you can find an unadulterated one............
then make sure the cam timing is sorted........
a bloke who worked for us had one & when i asked him about it, he'd never heard of it. so when he had it dealer serviced, he asked them to look at it..
30 odd hp has never been gained so cheaply
DW-Nova
05-05-10, 11:51 PM
Go for something Jap mate ! So much better thought out than a french tin box ! GTI-6 gearboxes are prone too ! Would you rather N/A or turbo ? Or not fussed ???
dj_wudgey
06-05-10, 12:44 AM
GTi-6
I worked with a lad that had a mint one two stone chips and that was all that was wrong with it he did cane it though was a nice car! Either one of those or a starlet or ibiza cupra id say!
Xsara VTS = miles better than a GTI6 ;)
**** loads cheaper, but the 172 Phs1 would still rape it with a couple of choice mods.
Xsara VTS = GTI-6 slower ugly cousin with the wrong gearbox
Corrected:thumb:
IMO nothing french, crap/ weak front suspension sets ups, dodgey electrics aswell.
A mate has a 172, he's had to replace loads of stuff and it's on 65k. Gti-6's have rear torsion beams and there a big no no.
A Glanza turbo is worth a look at IMO, fairly cheap on insurence and you can get some decent power out of them, interiors are nice too.
DW-Nova
11-05-10, 10:04 PM
Nearley bought myself a Glanza and then test drove my suggestion (Toyota Levin) and completley forgot about the Glanza, much superior car !!! Faster,better handling,better brakes, better looking and cheaper a true unsung hero of the car world which i should imagine many people on here have never heard of, brilliant buy !
novalovingned
11-05-10, 10:07 PM
IMO nothing french, crap/ weak front suspension sets ups, dodgey electrics aswell.
A mate has a 172, he's had to replace loads of stuff and it's on 65k. Gti-6's have rear torsion beams and there a big no no.
A Glanza turbo is worth a look at IMO, fairly cheap on insurence and you can get some decent power out of them, interiors are nice too.
Must be a Friday afternoon car lol
Gti-6's are very quick lol mate use to have a black one and it was stupidly quick.
Joe Richardson
11-05-10, 10:21 PM
mk3 seat ibiza cupra r :thumb:
Thats what ill be getting after the nova !!!!!
General Baxter
11-05-10, 10:22 PM
mike just tell us which nova you have got lol
he doesnt mean the ae-86 jack... he means the later model bzr.
also mike, if i had 3k and was looking for a big performance bargain, id be looking at lexus gs300, gs430's and ls400's and soarers...
Ahhh in that case I retract my previous statement.
Hnmm, google says they look a bit like a civic - high power 1.6 with vvt. Oh yeah, and with shonky SSS. lol
GTi-6. lol
I still agree!
dj_wudgey
12-05-10, 01:30 PM
yea gti-6 wouldntr be a bad choice i wouldnt have one though!!
Novasport
12-05-10, 06:00 PM
I wouldn't, its French. After months of problems with the wifes 306 the final straw came when the fire brigade had to come and put it out! Safe to say we rapidly got it fixed and got rid. Would never touch a French car again!
Limpy has owned several Vauxhalls and he has managed to break most of them in one way or another. So by your logic all Vauxhalls are crap......oh, hang on thats right!
Novasport
12-05-10, 06:03 PM
Just thinking, I bet you could get an E46 BMW 3 series for that kind of money now. 320td or 325i would be best
Novasport
12-05-10, 06:14 PM
Limpy has owned several Vauxhalls and he has managed to break most of them in one way or another. So by your logic all Vauxhalls are crap......oh, hang on thats right!
I assume that was aimed at me? You know what, after years of Vauxhall ownership by me and my father I have never had one try to incinerate me or for that matter even break down.
French electrics have never been known for their reliability, in fact they were on Watchdog for Pugs going up in flames. Vauxhall I am sure have there problems but I have always had reliable ones.
You seem quite defensive from me passing on an opinion, did I upset you in some way?
Obviously you would be more at home on a 306 forum than PNG
Just thinking, I bet you could get an E46 BMW 3 series for that kind of money now. 320td or 325i would be best
You can Ive looked at a few :) higher milage 330ci fetch a tad more.
A big if, but I *should* have some pics of my new run about soon :)
Obviously you would be more at home on a 306 forum than PNG I like the retards on here better.
Take your bloody blinkers off!
Saying French cars are crap is a massive generalization. Just because you owned a shed dosen't mean they all are FFS!. NEWS FLASH! Any poorly maintained car will be unreliable.
Novasport
12-05-10, 06:39 PM
It was in no way a shed, this was a very well maintained low mileage car that seemed to be cursed, I am talking about 8-9 years ago so it was till fairly new. If you knew me you would know my cars are extremely well maintained regardless of cost! This was not the only French car I have had issue with, an ex had issues with a Renault 5
I appear to have hit a raw nerve with my comments, I do apologise!
I appear to have hit a raw nerve with my comments, I do apologise!
Not at all, ole boy. Only pillocks get hot under the collar over conversations on the interweb ;)
I don't think you'll be able to find a nice example of pretty much all the cars mentioned on the thread for £2000-£3000 apart from the 106 and 306 GTI's... there's got to be more than just 'owning' the car, it has to be a sweetie :)
Novasport
12-05-10, 10:03 PM
Not at all, ole boy. Only pillocks get hot under the collar over conversations on the interweb ;)
Don't put yourself down, I am sure you are not a pillock normally. Don't think the other users on the site would take too kindly to you calling them retards either!
I don't think you'll be able to find a nice example of pretty much all the cars mentioned on the thread for £2000-£3000 apart from the 106 and 306 GTI's... there's got to be more than just 'owning' the car, it has to be a sweetie :)
I dont know, I just want something as a stop gap until i hit 25 in February.
Since September ive been down to 1 car (well, a van) an its starting to get very VERY boring :( the work hack pool car (2002 MX5 soft top that we own) is now sold so i cant even use that on weekends (not that i did much anyway)
My own bordem is rapidly becomming my own worst enemy if this douche I know pulls out of sale last minute :(
A big if, but I *should* have some pics of my new run about soon :)
If it includes two letters of the alphabet and the number 7, I will love you long time.
If it includes two letters of the alphabet and the number 7, I will love you long time.
LOL
Don't put yourself down, I am sure you are not a pillock normally. Don't think the other users on the site would take too kindly to you calling them retards either!
Leave it now retard. I thought that our little chat had finished. Why do you want to carry on with this pointless tit for tat? Are you lonely?
Can you PM me your love letters from now on so we don't clutter up this thread any further....Thanks XX
Novasport
13-05-10, 07:42 AM
Woah, you bit dude lol ! I'm just reeling you in. Seems you don't like a bit of banter and you take it to heart. Anyway we need to stop spamming this thread, I'm adult enough to stop now are you?
And if not then i am, theres a clicky button here marked 'lock' :p
lol
owning french cars and vans sucks balls, even brand spanking new ones :p
but driving them... well they are fun I give you that.
I think my boiler has claimed french nationality as it breaks and fixes itself at random lol
I must admit french cars are always the butt of peoples jokes on reliability and other issues but working for a Renault maintstealer has changed my opinion to a large degree, some of the hot hatches they produce are very capable and quick cars, cant be doing with all the fly by wire poo though as theres bugger all driver feedback and theyre not as good to drive as good old fashioned cable driven stuffs, but thats not to say that im sticking up for french cars in particular as some of the very common problems newer vauxhalls have has truly shocked me tbf, corsa C's having power steering faults causing fires or 'thermal incidents' as theyre called, corsa D's having similar faults with alternators and aircon pumps (not confirmed im just trying to remember off the top of my head) so these days my opinion is all newer cars arent as good as older ones as they have too much technology and gubbins to go wrong, and some of the silly faults Renaults have would make you cry for how common they are and how much they are to repair :eek:
I cant say I'd notice the difference between a cable throttle and an ETB now.... And I wrote software for ETB's lol
I love the declerations of 'thermal incidents' lol Seen quite a few with DPF fitted LR's and Jags
new minis had "thermal incidents" with abs units....
hendrix
13-05-10, 07:22 PM
If it includes two letters of the alphabet and the number 7, I will love you long time.
http://www.britishcarlinks.com/1976%20Triumph%20TR7.jpg
?? lol
Have you considered a GTi-6?
Have you considered a GTi-6?
A GTI-6 would get my vote.
what about a 306 s16
just same as gti6 but ment to be a bit rare
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