how raped am i going to get

[Curtoise]

i have a 1l nova and want to do an engine change to a 1.3 or 1.4 engine

im 18 and passed my test last may,

how raped am i going to get, i tryed doing it on a price comparison website, and got 9,999 which is actually ridiculus!! so they thing that because i have changed the engine its going to be a 7litre super fast hypercar engine, and that i WILL crash into a lambo....

its silly

does anyone know any companys who specialise in this sort of thing?:thumb:

[MK999]

Flux wanted £3200 off me with no no claims for a 1.6 with ATE brakes lowered 40mm, no other mods, was just trying it as a long shot and expected maybe 2k, but not that! Insurance is generally expensive atm apparently due to the bad winter and loads of claims.

[Connor]

Ring Flux or Hic maybe,
Its because as soom as you change the engine whether it be to even a 1.2 its classed as a engine conversion. You not better off Keeping the old pushrod, and build a nice spec 1.4 or 1.6 and wack it in when you can afford to. Well thats what i am doing :p

[Curtoise]

Ring Flux or Hic maybe,
Its because as soom as you change the engine whether it be to even a 1.2 its classed as a engine conversion. You not better off Keeping the old pushrod, and build a nice spec 1.4 or 1.6 and wack it in when you can afford to. Well thats what i am doing :p

yeh but the crappy thing is letting me down now, not starting, taking ages to start then flooding, it needs to be removed!

[Connor]

Give it a bloody good service, then some tlc.
Just think is it worth paying 2000+ for insurance for a 1.3 or even a 1.4
i would build up a nice engine, then it gives you something to look forward to. :thumb:
Threads like this really make me realise why young drivers insist on undeclared conversions :roll:

[Curtoise]

yeh its not as if that idea hasnt come into my head :(

but im gonna do it right, your idea does sound right, i just hate it, its like a step down! even a 1.2 would be better :(

[Connor]

lol i know where your coming from exactly!!
I am currently rolling around in a 1.2 loon 4 speed ffs lol
My plan is to build another hatch 1.6 or xe (undecided atm)
and get it on the road when i can afford to.
My advise to you is if you cant afford to, dont do it. Simplez

But no-one on this forum can physically stop you putting a big spec Let in your car and not declaring it, its all upto you.

Have you anywhere you could put your lil d-reg?

[Curtoise]

nah nowhere atm, yeh i used to roll in a 1.2 4 speed mate you take it for granted, a 1l with 4speed isnt even funny! it doesnt start all the time well, takes aggges, and then floods! :(
yeh i just cant see why it costs soo much for a 1.4 ffs !

i guess i can try and get it looking perfect,
nah nowhere atm to store it.
its just when it does start it chuckes out smoke ect, and sounds crap, and when it doesnt start i people blatently look and thing " look at that fuking heap !" :(

[Connor]

Sounds to me it needs a blaady good service and a tweak up on the old carb,
hard time i know for you,
but you gotta think, your only 18, so insurance are not going to be keen insuring you on any more than a 1.0, let alone a 1.0 with a converted 1.4 in!
i am 19 paying 750 for a 1.2, which is good really (but is too expensive in my eyes lol).
But i got a long time if i wanna insure a 1.6 let alone a 2.0.
But i refuse to pay over 2000 for a car that is worth sub 500
depends on your preferences and cash flow tbh.

[brainsnova]

insurance is like shares going up all the time though back in 2000 when i was 18 a 1.3sr was £1050 tpft with 0 years ncb

[Curtoise]

yeh thats it connor, maybe get a 1l on twin 40s lol! do you think it can be done?
yeh it needs a good ol service its running crappy, i dont know how to tho :(.
also the last year the car has done 1000 miles ! the old lady only went to the shops in the week i have had it, i have done 350 miles ! lol,
im just worried its going to let me down soon its already begun tapping and i dont rag it at all!

[Connor]

Get a haynes manual if you dont have one already
go to your local motorfactors (not halfords) and order a full service kit for not alot of pennies. the haynes manual with give you a step by step guide on how to do, well alot to your car including basic servicing (its how i learnt).
Then personally i recommed 20:50 perhaps, thats what i use on my engine now, it runs fine on it and its a bit thicker than the usual stuff.
As for the carb is involved i would give it a while, maybe give it a little clean out?

[mk1nova_rich]

Fitting twin 40s will need declaring to the insurance too, and will no doubt have the same effect on your premium as fitting a bigger engine. My advice is same as Connor's - service your 1.0 and wait til you can afford to insure a bigger engine.

[Andy]

You will have to assume the position

[dj_wudgey]

Fitting twin 40s will need declaring to the insurance too, and will no doubt have the same effect on your premium as fitting a bigger engine. My advice is same as Connor's - service your 1.0 and wait til you can afford to insure a bigger engine.

this lad is speaking sense mate just get it serviced and then when the time comes start going down the conversion route!!

[Curtoise]

You will have to assume the position

LMFAO + rep lol

yeh it is the sensible option :(,
so what does a full service entail?
oil, oil filter?
what else ?

[novautd]

oil, oil filter, air filter (if its got a standard one fitted), fuel filter, sparkplugs.

[Connor]

oil, oil filter?
what else ?

Just order a 'full service kit'
And what ever it comes with fit,
Oh and get some oil, to do an oil change.
Should come with oil filter, air filter, plugs fuel filter
Maybe worth changing dizzy cap and rotor arm aswell?

EDIT didnt see the above post :roll:

[Curtoise]

lol cheerz for the advice, i think its what i will have to do :( tbh as its such a clean car, i might garage it, when i save some funds and then get a 1.4 nova or something :(
im going to be bored for a loooong time, meh at least i can get it structurally perfect, and looking perfect :D, it be time to go to see the welder :)

[CoolTiger]

im running a 106gti and a modified nova for £2700 multicar ftw

[General Baxter]

im running a 106gti and a modified nova for £2700 multicar ftw

thats not really FTW lol

[Welsh Dan]

To the OP: get some quotes for a car that left the factory with the engine you want, then compare the differences.

[Cle]

Im 2200 on a standered mk2 1.2i lol FTL

[Jon_nova1]

insurance is like shares going up all the time though back in 2000 when i was 18 a 1.3sr was £1050 tpft with 0 years ncb
wow, when are insurance prices going to crash?lol but to add when i was 17 (nearly 18) i got quoted 1300 on a 1.3SR which was in 2002

are you sure you haven't got an unconverted engine? I had a mate that didn't realise his 1 litre hadn't been converted and ran it on unleaded, he said its broke and i went to look at it checked timing etc as it was misfiring/backfiring i looked over the carb as i could hear it backfiring through it, got the engine started and wooooosh, if i didn't get my head out of the way as quick i don't think it would have been his bonnet that had smoke marks on itlol

[Curtoise]

wow, when are insurance prices going to crash?lol but to add when i was 17 (nearly 18) i got quoted 1300 on a 1.3SR which was in 2002

are you sure you haven't got an unconverted engine? I had a mate that didn't realise his 1 litre hadn't been converted and ran it on unleaded, he said its broke and i went to look at it checked timing etc as it was misfiring/backfiring i looked over the carb as i could hear it backfiring through it, got the engine started and wooooosh, if i didn't get my head out of the way as quick i don't think it would have been his bonnet that had smoke marks on itlol

REALLY> wtf it must be ok on unleaded lol

[Jon_nova1]

lol if you use unleaded in an unconverted engine the first thing to happen is the valves will burn out

[Curtoise]

nah it must be converted, its been driven all its life

[Jon_nova1]

thats what my mate thought, he'd been driving it for around 6 months not realising the previous owner had used lead replacement additive!

[Curtoise]

oh dear lolz, nah iv had it for a week now and when its warm its ok

[Curtoise]

how can you tell if it has been converted?

[Jon_nova1]

Mark 2's were sent from the factory to run on unleaded, on my mark 1 it had a sticker in the owners manual, i think the mark 1 owners will know more though lol

[Jack]

Unfortunately, its pretty much a case of put up with it. Heck, my first car was a 0.9 litre Uno - wasn't even a 1 litre! - which I had for a year, then stuck with a 1.2 Nova for another 3 or 4 years. Why is it everyone around my age or older seems to have the "oh yes, my first car was a tiddly engine'd shed" tale, yet young drivers these days seem to think they should be able to have a decent car right from the off?

[/rant]

Short answer is, ride it out - we all have to start somewhere.

[Connor]

Short answer is, ride it out - we all have to start somewhere.
:thumb:

[mowgli]

lol if you use unleaded in an unconverted engine the first thing to happen is the valves will burn out

all petrol novas are good on unleaded as far as i know, but if you have a good look at the engine number stamped on the block, it should have an * (asterisk) in the middle of the number, if not, then its got to run additive...

just get the tappets done..

[Benn]

Leave it alone for another year.

[Curtoise]

yeh jack thats it but nowadays people in my year and younger are driving brand new renault megan sport and a bmw m3 new cars, and a seat 1.4 supercharge turbo thing!! becuse mummy and daddy pays for it.

im just bummed out how i was in a 1.2 nova, now i feel as if i have gone backward!!

[MattBrown]

lol if you use unleaded in an unconverted engine the first thing to happen is the valves will burn out

Whys this?

If the timing is set, then fuel is fuel, as the valves are still made from the same material:confused:

[Jon_nova1]

Tried to find something on the internet for reference, but its not showing much, its to do with lubrication, higher running temperature etc, you may know who i'm talking about, he's from down your end Dean malam, used to have a kitted white nova, now runs round in some gay lupo lol

[Jack]

Whys this?

If the timing is set, then fuel is fuel, as the valves are still made from the same material:confused:
Lead acts as a lubricant. Without it, older engines designed for leaded fuel suffer valve seat wear.

[Lee]

yeh jack thats it but nowadays people in my year and younger are driving brand new renault megan sport and a bmw m3 new cars, and a seat 1.4 supercharge turbo thing!! becuse mummy and daddy pays for it.

im just bummed out how i was in a 1.2 nova, now i feel as if i have gone backward!!
So what? You will ultimately have the last laugh, because as you pootle around in your 1.2 you will be building no claims, so a few years down the line, captain flash in his mums beemer will suddenly realise he has to pay a massive premium when he buys his own car, therefore dont be surprised if, in a few years, you wave at captain flash in his 10 year old punto while you waft around in a nice saloon.

Also, you may very well crash in your first few years. i did, and i'm pretty sure most of the older members will tell you they did too. Hell, I crashed last christmas and ive been driving 11 years and probably done enough milage for a few trips to the moon and back! I'm sure captaino flashy pants will thoroughly enjoy the botty rape he gets from his daddy when he turns the bim bimmer into a lamp post ornament, especially when the insurance company start asking why daddies car was being used by CF to drive to college every day and they invalidate the policy.

Patience is the key. And I have to say I look back on my ropey old K plate corsa B 1.2 spi (whos cam was so flat it may as well have been round) with fondness that you can only have for your first pooer.

[Sloth]

1.0 mk1's do not like unleaded, my mates was fooked when i stripped it after his conversion. valves like 50p peices. and matt, yep the valves and valve seats are made from different metal. if you remove one, get a manet. if it sticks its not unleaded tolerant, if it doesnt its all good.:thumb:

[Connor]

if you remove one, get a magnet. if it sticks its not unleaded tolerant, if it doesnt its all good.:thumb:

Ahhh nice one Sloth +rep
You learn something new everyday,
its not relevant info for me but its somthing i like to know :d

[Jack]

Patience is the key. And I have to say I look back on my ropey old K plate corsa B 1.2 spi (whos cam was so flat it may as well have been round) with fondness that you can only have for your first pooer.
Too right, my Uno was sh!t but I still loved it.#

I didn't stack it either (although a grandad did clip my front wing). Waited til I had the Nova before having a proper crash lol

[Curtoise]

yeh lee, but the thing is i was in a 1.2, now im in a 1l! lol, and im a named driver on my dads paying £750 for a 1l nova and £640 for my old 1.2!

the thing is this guy wrote off his new evo10 and then his dad bought him a bmw m3.

if the engine does go boom, its an excuse to get a new one

[Lee]

the thing is this guy wrote off his new evo10 and then his dad bought him a bmw m3.



That guy is going to end up having no respect for money.

[Benn]

That guy is going to end up having no respect for money.

Already wont from the sounds of it.

[MattBrown]

Tried to find something on the internet for reference, but its not showing much, its to do with lubrication, higher running temperature etc, you may know who i'm talking about, he's from down your end Dean malam, used to have a kitted white nova, now runs round in some gay lupo lol

A really really gay lupo, thats dead slow, and looks poo?

Ive seen it floating roundlol

[MattBrown]

1.0 mk1's do not like unleaded, my mates was fooked when i stripped it after his conversion. valves like 50p peices. and matt, yep the valves and valve seats are made from different metal. if you remove one, get a manet. if it sticks its not unleaded tolerant, if it doesnt its all good.:thumb:

My c reg engine did 15k miles on unleaded, and got ****ted everyware, ask offplot, 8k rpm was ahchiavable, with rockers hitting the rocker coverlol

[Sloth]

so did my mates till it grenaded number 4

[Curtoise]

oh dear, might just run the engine into the ground anyway some arrangements have been made so its now come available for me to go full time,
so i will be earning enough to insure a 2l :)
but im not a retard so wont untill i can controll it!
so im thinking 1.4 or 1.6

[Jon_nova1]

A really really gay lupo, thats dead slow, and looks poo?

Ive seen it floating roundlol

The new one with frog eyes? probablylol