fuel prices

[Gibbo]

was talking to my brother and he say by the end of the weeks its going up to around £1.20 and by the end of the month it going to be around £1.30 and stayin :wtf:
http://www.petrolprices.com/

[draper]

probably,

but now its all over the news the oil companies can raise it and no-one will bat an eyelid - clever marketing i reckon

[Stuart]

indeed. the less said about it the better lol

[Jack]

Anyone live in Cornwall? £10 says there's a bunch of tankers sitting off the coast doing nothing but taking up space.

[Edd]

petrol prices take the p!ss now let alone when they go above 1.20

binking ftw lol

[Spudly]

petrol prices take the p!ss now let alone when they go above 1.20

binking ftw lol



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Yeah Rod was so ****ed up lastnight I don't think we should be binking with him anymore




Err i fail to see how alcohol soaked tammys up yer ass can save you money on fuel :p

[vaughanmc]

£1.20 in the local places round my way already and one garage is at £1.24 lol

[AlexW]

Shame it dont store well. My old corsa had a half a tank of duff fuel.

I think fuel here is £1.19.

[Edd]

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Yeah Rod was so ****ed up lastnight I don't think we should be binking with him anymore




Err i fail to see how alcohol soaked tammys up yer ass can save you money on fuel :p

police use it as a term for people that fill up and drive off without paying, a feck all to do with tampons lol

[Mike]

Diesel is £1.17 here.

Its beginning to make a noticable dent into monthly profits. Never really realised just how much it costs to run 3or 4 vans!

[General Baxter]

bilkin lol

[Welsh Dan]

V-Power derv was 120.9p per litre this morning already. To anyone asking why V-Power, it works out cheaper lol.

[Spudly]

police use it as a term for people that fill up and drive off without paying, a feck all to do with tampons lol


That would be bilkin not binkin lol



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[Edd]

bilkin lol

think your right lollollollollol

heard it on road wars after a few so i may have got it slightly wrong :wtf:

[Spudly]

think your right lollollollollol

heard it on road wars after a few so i may have got it slightly wrong :wtf:



Snap same place ive heard it, pat and karl from slough, legends haha:thumb:

[MK999]

asda automated pumps up by uni are £1.13 a litre, 1.19 everywhere else lol

[Edd]

scum round hear steal number plates then go and do it, bout 5 last week going by the local paper :mad:

[Stuart]

note how no one seems to care/remember that it was over £1.20 around 18 months ago.....

I'm hoping it prices scumbags off the road :d

[AlexW]

Will just lead to more people nicking it. From petrol stations or out of cars.

Mate had his barn raided for petrol.

[General Baxter]

im ok, iv got a company fuel card lol

[Southie]

I saw £122.9 for Vpower on my way into work :eek:

[MK999]

I saw £122.9 for Vpower on my way into work :eek:

Over hundred quid for a litre is getting ridiculous tbh lol

[blue_peg_16v]

lpg ftmfw still 56.9 cant wait to get the vectra on the road

unleaded is 112.9 here

[Jon_nova1]

i too know bilking.......


people will start thinking hideaway numberplates are a worthy investment soon

[Asa-James]

i paid £1.18 a litre yesterday for normal unleaded, its costing me nearly £70 to fill the cav up, and thats filled once a week, the Nova currently isnt getting a look in :(

[de-slotted]

I Pay a Shocking amout of 47p a ltre LPG :wisewood:

[blue_peg_16v]

oooh i must shop around more lol

[de-slotted]

oooh i must shop around more lol
47P is the cheapest which was a local Calor Gas centre with its own pump.The dearest is Shell @ 65p ...Thats in my area Stoke

[blue_peg_16v]

i havent looked around as yet as the cars not on the road but there are a couple of gas suppliers like calour near us so may be worth a look the 56 is a local station i pass on a regular bassis tho

[Jack]

I was looking at an LPG conversion on the V6 but after the cost of the conversion it would take about 3+ years to pay for itself. I don't think the Nova has a life expectancy of that long lol

[blue_peg_16v]

what about the silly car

[draper]

think im gonna look round for an LPG conversion, since they came in some vectras i should find a full set-up ready to bolt in

[Jack]

Not a chance lol

Its supposed to be more efficient on turbocharged engines, but considering the Celica is on 170k, I'm trying to reduce the mileage I put on it. I reckoned it would take 30k to pay for itself on that, but seen as my target is to drop that down to about 6k a year its not a wise investment :(

Might have to talk to Lee about a conversion on the Nova

[blue_peg_16v]

yup mine was only £150

[draper]

yup mine was only £150


:eek:

i reckon'd on 250-300 for a set-up (thats what id happily pay anyway)

hmmm, better on turbos you say :d

[Jack]

Yup, LPG has lower calorific energy (hence lower MPG than unleaded), but higher RON so on a turbo you can get a bit more power by adjusting the timing better

Rich, did you buy a kit and DIY it? There's a local shop to me which is well recommended but charges about £1500-2k for install lol

[draper]

its getting serious now - theres a facebook group and everything !!!!

[Rexy]

lol, i thought about LPG on evo, and even a map for 95ron...

BUT.... Why bother, it will kill off performance, add extra weight and mapping for 95 ron is an idea if i get an evo 8 ECU with a switchable map.

It will save me urmmm... about £10 a week if that tbh. lol.

So, i'll just keep using my Vpower which is at £1.30 anyways. :(

[General Baxter]

iv just been looking at this

can do it for £350 ish with a tank in the wheel well :)

[blue_peg_16v]

Yup, LPG has lower calorific energy (hence lower MPG than unleaded), but higher RON so on a turbo you can get a bit more power by adjusting the timing better

Rich, did you buy a kit and DIY it? There's a local shop to me which is well recommended but charges about £1500-2k for install lol

was a second hand kit off an omega v6 with everything needed is only the mixer type for simple diy instal instead of the more modern sequential kits but there still simple to diy, is almost fitted but cars not on the road so cba with it,

lol

i will finish it then get it checked by a local instaler which wont cost alot.

[Gibbo]

im still looking in to lpg for nova.still looking for the tank to go in the wheel well

http://lpgautoconversions.co.uk/photos/view_album.php?album_id=65
but want a tank about this size
http://www.autogasyorkshire.co.uk/vauxhall-corsa-.php

[Bubba]

Anyone live in Cornwall? £10 says there's a bunch of tankers sitting off the coast doing nothing but taking up space.

i do...and i beleive i did see one hovering out to sea somewhere, then again it could have been a big boat haha

[L14MNP]

The petrol companies openly admit that they anchor numerous tankers off the coast until the price sky rockets. :( For shame.

[Sloth]

rocket launcher? /\

[Bubba]

rocket launcher? /\

epic idea :wtf:

[Sloth]

twas a joke.....

[Danny s-p]

im still looking in to lpg for nova.still looking for the tank to go in the wheel well

http://lpgautoconversions.co.uk/photos/view_album.php?album_id=65
but want a tank about this size
http://www.autogasyorkshire.co.uk/vauxhall-corsa-.php
my mate had one in his old nova think he still got the tank all ask him if you wont:thumb:

[Gibbo]

ye man sweet

[Danny s-p]

ye man sweet

all ask him tomorow:thumb: for you

[Jack]

lol, i thought about LPG on evo, and even a map for 95ron...

BUT.... Why bother, it will kill off performance, add extra weight and mapping for 95 ron is an idea if i get an evo 8 ECU with a switchable map.

It will save me urmmm... about £10 a week if that tbh. lol.

So, i'll just keep using my Vpower which is at £1.30 anyways. :(
As said above, on a turbo it won't kill performance. You'd probably get similar performance but with a minimal MPG drop (about 2-3mpg).

If its only going to save you £10 a week, you must only be using about 15 litres a week, which in the Evo I guess is about 60 miles? lol

[Sloth]

heres an idea for you turbo lads, what bout a bioethanol conversion? 112 ron octane and far cheaper? upto 30% performance gains....

[Jack]

^ bioethanol duty rates are due to go back up to the same rate as "other road fuels" this year :( Plus bioethanol, like LPG, has lower energy content (adding ethanol to a fuel kills the calorific energy). I'd be surprised to see gains of that much over regular fuels, and the highest gains would surely only be on the cars that can have the timing adjusted to suit.

Just done a quick fag packet calculation. Seems the base price of LPG (i.e. what is charged before VAT + duty are added) has remained relatively low compared to that of unleaded and derv. So when the duty is brought back up to that of petrol it should still be a little cheaper. Theoretically...

[Sloth]

lpg the nova, theres plenty of omega v6 lpg's in scrapys to pillage...

[MK999]

Just done a quick fag packet calculation. Seems the base price of LPG (i.e. what is charged before VAT + duty are added) has remained relatively low compared to that of unleaded and derv. So when the duty is brought back up to that of petrol it should still be a little cheaper. Theoretically...

Yeah, like diesel is now? lol It'll be cheap as funk until people start using it en mass and the government see their new tax goldmine developing, same as diesel.

[Jack]

^ Derv is taxed the same rate as petrol. Its the manufacturers who are making $profit$ on that one.

LPG never took off as the government had hoped though, as were flakey on when the rates would go back up and people were put off by the £1500-2k install prices.

Sloth, never once seen an LPG kit in a scrappy. Even a quick look on ebay only shows partial kits unless I pay next-to-retail prices :(

[L14MNP]

I've seen one Jack, in an XJS.

"The fuel, the precious fuel was hidden in the vehicles..."
We aren't far away. lol

[MattBrown]

^ Derv is taxed the same rate as petrol. Its the manufacturers who are making $profit$ on that one.

LPG never took off as the government had hoped though, as were flakey on when the rates would go back up and people were put off by the £1500-2k install prices.

Sloth, never once seen an LPG kit in a scrappy. Even a quick look on ebay only shows partial kits unless I pay next-to-retail prices :(

V6 omega here with the full lpg kit in.

Dads car is on lpg, works out on a 4.2l v8, 44mpg cost equivelant.

So can't arguelol

[Southie]

Now if we could get our motors running on this it would be cheaper CLICKY (http://www.waterfuelcell.org/) :d

A few beers in the evening = full tank the next day lol

Worse thing to happen though is it might explode lol

[Jack]

V6 omega here with the full lpg kit in.
In a scrappy? Get it for me :d

Biobutanol is the future. Only problem is they haven't figured out how to artificially restrict the supply/tax it heavily so its not being developed as fully as it should be

[Stuart]

Electrical vehicles FTW!!!!

Higher octane fuels can cause damage if the timing isnt advanced enough to cope... carry on lol

[DAFTJOHN]

Is it getting to the point where folk can't afford to drive now?

I'm loosing 10p per mile on business travel in the Impreza but I like drving it so I'll take the hit.

Was looking over Google at fuel prices and noticed a post from 2004 where folk were complaining about 87p costs - how I'd love to get back to that.

Think I've commited myself to accepting that the Government needs additional revenue to try and sort the debt but we all know that they'll just waste money on other stupid things and we'll all never see fuel costs reduce.

[blue_peg_16v]

the alternative is passport warmer climate and cheaper fuel now theres a thought lhd reshell lol

[Jack]

If you're thinking the US, they only have cheaper fuel because Bush started raiding the federal supply each year (once that stops, prices will kick up a bit). Although having a strong dollar at the mo helps a bit as well.

[farmertom]

its 1.24 for diesel at bp across the road from my work in slough.

[draper]

Is it getting to the point where folk can't afford to drive now?



yep, and with the welfre state its even 'better' (i mean money wise not self-respect wise) to be out of work.

im hoping to get a new job after an interview last week but because of the hit in money for a year (only 60quid a week) im going to have to lay the vectra up and use a 1400 corsa to cut my travel costs (will probably move closer if it all works out in the long run)

ive also just sorted a trip to aberdeen to see my little brother and that worked out cheaper to fly than drive up - 92quid agaisnt 120 in fuel


at least i can sleep better knowing im shaving my carbon footprint down :roll:

[MK999]

at least i can sleep better knowing im shaving my carbon footprint down :roll:

Is that because you don't touch the floor in a plane? lol

[draper]

tbh id of drove there but i cant come back untill im sober enoughto drive so would probably have to move in with my bro in his student flat




although he lives with 2 birds, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[blue_peg_16v]

lucky boy lol

[Andy]

fukk em.fukk em all,cherry is where its at.
I WILL buy another sh1tkicking diesel and run it on red.

[Mike]

Im dreading filling up with Diesel fuel tomorrow to go to Lee's, its now 118.9 a litre :(

[let_nova]

where im originally from its at 1.34 a ltr for unleaded

[Jack]

By the time I'm allowed to drive again, it'll probably be £1.15 for 95 here and something daft like £1.30 for VPower.

Still, can't go without. Its actually been nice from a financial perspective over the past two weeks, I've saved about £80-100 by simply not buying petrol.

[sulphur]

I personally can't avoid it. Travelling from site to site daily, averaging 50miles/day I simply can't avoid it. :(

Noticing it though, when the mrs bought her puma, we used to struggle to get £26 in the tank. Now it's swallowing £37-39 easy. :(

[Bubba]

i drove past Esso today with my needle past the red purely because i refused to pay 1.18 and would rather risk driving an extra mile to get it for 1.15 haha

[Nova_Tek]

Where I am currently (abraod) it's 80.5p for unleaded (95) and 83.5p for Super (97) and Diesel is something like 75p with the better quality Euro diesel being a few pence more (although I can't rmember how much exactly.

Obviously this can vary by a penny or so depending on the exchange rates.

Also every petrol station must have the same price per litre. Doesn't matter where you go there won't be a price difference!

[muzzy]

What is a rough breakdown of a litre of fuel? ie how much is tax, how much is oil company profit etc?

[blue_peg_16v]

there was a bloke on the radio from the forcourt association he said 3/4p for the retailer and the cost was 30p so when it hits 120 a liter thats 86p tax taking into account vat and fuel duty

was on radio 2 lol

[muzzy]

My old boss owns a petrol station as part of the garage and he did say a few times that the profit he makes from selling petrol/diesel/autogas is next to nothing.

[blue_peg_16v]

yup 3/4p is fook all when you think of running costs and cost of equiptment

[muzzy]

He said that it was still worthwhile for him to sell it because of the way all the finances with it works, he didn't really go into details though, I thought that maybe they didn't pay for the fuel until it was sold or something like that.

[Jack]

You may think 3/4p a litre is next to nothing, but when you consider the average forecourt probably deals with upwards of 200 vehicles a day, each buying on average around 30 litres apiece, there's money to be made. Although I've been told supermarkets sell petrol as a loss leader as they make enough profit in store to counter the petrol.


What is a rough breakdown of a litre of fuel? ie how much is tax, how much is oil company profit etc?
Lets say you buy a litre of petrol (or diesel, as both have the same rate of duty at the moment) at £115.9 pence per litre.

56.19p is Fuel Duty
17.26p is VAT (note that VAT is charged on Fuel Duty as well - you're being taxed on a tax there)
That leaves 42.45p for the price of crude oil, refinement, oil company profits, distribution, and reseller profits.

For reference, the price of crude oil today, per barrel, is $80.63 (and has been relatively stable over the past quarter). One "barrel" holds 159 litres of oil; of that, a standard refining process will produce approximately 19.5 litres of petrol.

Bear in mind as well that oil is primarily traded in $USD (or, in the case of the Iranian Oil Bourse, Euros). This means that when we (the UK) purchase oil, we need to first purchase some dollars or euros. As the £GBP is quite weak at the moment, its an additional cost and goes some way to explaining the difference in price between our pump price and those of the US and other Euro countries.

According to Wikipedia, in the 2004-5 financial year, the UK treasury gained £23.3bn (yes, thats billion - £23,300,000,000,000) from fuel duty alone. To put that into perspective, in 2004-5 the entire UK defence budget was £32.3bn. The transport budget was a measely £9.2bn!

[blue_peg_16v]

You may think 3/4p a litre is next to nothing, but when you consider the average forecourt probably deals with upwards of 200 vehicles a day, each buying on average around 30 litres apiece, there's money to be made. Although I've been told supermarkets sell petrol as a loss leader as they make enough profit in store to counter the petrol.


Lets say you buy a litre of petrol (or diesel, as both have the same rate of duty at the moment) at £115.9 pence per litre.

56.19p is Fuel Duty
17.26p is VAT (note that VAT is charged on Fuel Duty as well - you're being taxed on a tax there)
That leaves 42.45p for the price of crude oil, refinement, oil company profits, distribution, and reseller profits.

For reference, the price of crude oil today, per barrel, is $80.63 (and has been relatively stable over the past quarter). One "barrel" holds 159 litres of oil; of that, a standard refining process will produce approximately 19.5 litres of petrol.

Bear in mind as well that oil is primarily traded in $USD (or, in the case of the Iranian Oil Bourse, Euros). This means that when we (the UK) purchase oil, we need to first purchase some dollars or euros. As the £GBP is quite weak at the moment, its an additional cost and goes some way to explaining the difference in price between our pump price and those of the US and other Euro countries.

According to Wikipedia, in the 2004-5 financial year, the UK treasury gained £23.3bn (yes, thats billion - £23,300,000,000,000) from fuel duty alone. To put that into perspective, in 2004-5 the entire UK defence budget was £32.3bn. The transport budget was a measely £9.2bn!

wouldnt see 200 cars in a country garage hence why there all going bust and shutting

so 73.45 goes direct to the government

and they say robbery is on the decrease

[muzzy]

I didn't realise how much the government actually made from the cost of fuel. A lot of people seem to think that the oil companies are making mega bucks from petrol/diesel but when you take into consideration the cost of exploration, drilling etc etc etc then there's not much in it for them either.

[Jack]

Exactly, but then village forecourts tend to have a pump price usually ~10p more than inner city forecourts.

There's one renowned garage on the edge of Yeovil (renowned as during fuel protests and shortages, whack their price up to about £2 a litre) who charge some obscene amount but get away with it as they have all the taxi contracts etc :mad:

Muzzy, don't feel bad for the oil companies. They're producing millions of barrels a day, and there's a myriad of other products to come from each barrel rather than just petrol and diesel. Shell, Esso, BP and the likes often post year on year increasing profit margins.

[dannyb]

note how no one seems to care/remember that it was over £1.20 around 18 months ago.....

I'm hoping it prices scumbags off the road :d

I was just thinking that... Wasn't it 1.20 when the price of oil spiked though. I gather that this rise is just due to extra taxation as oil prices are more stable.

What a way to get yourself popular in the face of an election.
I'd rather see an extra quid of pure tax slapped on 20 fags/12.5g of tobacco and 50p of tax on every lottery ticket (seeing as the price has always been 1 pound and it hasn't moved with inflation). These are luxury items and people can choose to buy them or not to buy them whereas I have no choice but to fill up with 30+ litres of fuel a week to get to my school so I can do my job.

[blue_peg_16v]

the other reason for the higher prices is the exchange rate as jack as said hence whilst in a recession ther price has rocketed

[Bubba]

meh it will all run out one day

[Jack]

^ the old peak oil argument amuses the hell out of me. In 2001, peak oil was due in 2003. Its now 2010, and peak oil is due somewhere round 2012. LOL fukktards.

As for luxury items, the problem is the government see fuel as a luxury item. Those who they consider really need it (farmers etc) get duty-reduced red diesel.


[edit] In 2000, fuel duty was about 47.5p:

http://www.petrolprices.com/images/fuelgraph.jpg

so since then its gone up about 1p per year.

[muzzy]

Muzzy, don't feel bad for the oil companies. They're producing millions of barrels a day, and there's a myriad of other products to come from each barrel rather than just petrol and diesel. Shell, Esso, BP and the likes often post year on year increasing profit margins.

Don't worry I don't feel bad, I've worked for them before so I group them in with the government under the asshole category lol

[dannyb]

As for luxury items, the problem is the government see fuel as a luxury item. Those who they consider really need it (farmers etc) get duty-reduced red diesel.

I understand what you're getting at what with it being classed as a luxury and I don't dispute that, I just wish the Government would see it as something which is an essential to those who own and run cars in order to get to work to make money to fill their coffers with tax!
It's not a problem if scumbags can't afford fags or lottery tickets!

[Bubba]

when i started driving it was 76p (2005) now i see how i could afford to spend only £30 a week yet go so far

[Nova_Tek]

I understand what you're getting at what with it being classed as a luxury and I don't dispute that, I just wish the Government would see it as something which is an essential to those who own and run cars in order to get to work to make money to fill their coffers with tax!
It's not a problem if scumbags can't afford fags or lottery tickets!

They know it is something that will be needed regardless, which is why they get away with it. If it was as easy as just not using your car when they take the biscuit with prices, they'd soon lower it. Because people must/need to use the car then there's not much people can do.

It's like fags, peole who are addicted must smoke everyday, prices are crazy but when you need to use it you have no chioce but to pay. Only difference with ciggies is that you can quit.

[Jack]

when i started driving it was 76p (2005) now i see how i could afford to spend only £30 a week yet go so far
Same when I started in 1999. Funny to think that from 2005 to 2010, the price has gone up by 40p, thats almost 10p a year!

[bikerboi]

im still looking in to lpg for nova.still looking for the tank to go in the wheel well

http://lpgautoconversions.co.uk/photos/view_album.php?album_id=65
but want a tank about this size
http://www.autogasyorkshire.co.uk/vauxhall-corsa-.php

what size tank do you need? i have a one i used to use in a mk 5 fiesta. will need the dimensions of the width and height of wheel well. worked in garage for 2 year doing gas conversions so could give advice if your stuck on anything

[Andy]

Its a fukkin disgrace,something has to be done,how is the uk economy supposed to ever recover from recession when all peoples spare cash goes on fuel to get to work to earn money??!!!
The government are a bunch of fat cunts who do fukk all but chat complete and utter dog sh1t day in,day out.