View Full Version : Oops, might be in a bit of trouble at work again.
L33 LEG
04-03-10, 03:46 PM
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brainsnova
04-03-10, 03:49 PM
i would just tell the truth :thumb:
Seems a bit harsh to be pulled up for it as it's true, you don't go to a petrol station to read the magazines, either buy them or piss off.
Jim Mcrae
04-03-10, 03:50 PM
Slap on the wrist I would think
What a miserable ******* lol
L33 LEG
04-03-10, 03:52 PM
A slap on the wrist is what it deserves tbh, but it's never good when head office pop into work and tell my manager about the complaint and say they'l be dealing with it lol
Is there a rule anywhere or may something be in my contract to say that it is not a sackable offence and i need 3 warnings or whatever before being sacked? What would it come under? I usually handle interviews very well and am always one step ahead but i have a bad feeling about it this time.
You say you have no previous, what happened last time then? Surely it was a verbal warning at the very least mate?
The customer is ALWAYS right. lol
L33 LEG
04-03-10, 04:11 PM
You say you have no previous, what happened last time then? Surely it was a verbal warning at the very least mate?
The customer is ALWAYS right. lol
That was the funny thing. Everybody thought i was getting sacked for it as the 'day staff' were disgusted with it Lol and all hate me pretty much. I went in there and the first thing the guy said was he can't sack me because they never took an interview of the woman who complained, they just went off a letter she wrote. The guy was sound and said its just hearsay and he couldnt believe i had been suspended for 28days. So he said he can't give me anything at all for it and i started work that night and of course got full pay. The woman who complained started crying when the informed her and she walked out and for weeks just kept walking off. It was like a war zone at work and was basically the day staff against the night staff lol
The customers are never right in our store. If they put me on a till shift (which is pretty rare), i will have about 3 arguments a night on average. I have done some stuff whihc i do deserved to get sacked for, we all have done. But there's no way i am letting this pointless little comment getting me in the sh1t Lol.
LOL. Maybe they do want a reason to get you out the door then mate. AFAIK you can only be binned in one go for gross misconduct though, so you should eascape this time.! lol
L33 LEG
04-03-10, 04:24 PM
Things have calmed down since then, the threats towards me have stopped lol Seriously, there's a 60year old guy there who kept telling everyone hes going to get me outside work and kept getting his pals in to threaten me lol
Im going to work now, il check the cameras out and everything and see what's what. I want to be prepared for it Lol :)
Admit it, but put across your point about what the customer was doing, an make out to management that if your forcourt is a Libary then your obviously in the wrong proffession & would like a payrise for being a clerk aswell as a (insert your current role here).
blue_peg_16v
04-03-10, 04:27 PM
go for the truth will be a slap on the wrists if not had any warnings imo
ive had soem one say that to me in tesco's local library. i took it as a joke. just own up but say you didnt know if he was going to steal it or not and wanted to issue a warning without arousing his suspicions. are you in a union? if not join, just fior the security...:thumb:
Southie
04-03-10, 04:38 PM
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L33 LEG
04-03-10, 11:30 PM
Good idea mike, il ask for a payrise then lol
I never joined the union but i really should. I get complaints about me every single day Lol, i knew one of these days somebody will take it further.
I went work tonight and checked all the cameras and there is nothing whatsoever to say it was me. My manager apparantly looked today and said he couldnt find any evidence to back it up. However if i deny it they will check the cameras closer and theyl see my mate run into the office and use the tannoy lol so im going to admit it just so he doesnt get accused. As said, it should just be a slap on the wrist. If i get sacked for this then i suppose il have to see the funny side and the stupidity of everybody.
Curtoise
05-03-10, 11:46 AM
i got but raped by tesco went in one day had a job, someone grabbed me off the till saying i had a interview with one of the store managers, and they said I'm giving you your weeks notice ? and now I'm jobless, they can get away with it tho because of my temp contract. there excuse was my attendance, i had 2 days off in 6 1/2 months, one because my good friend died on that day, and the other was skiving but theres no way they could have found about that lol
superstores suck dick
Curtoise
05-03-10, 11:55 AM
dont think it is because i was on a temp contract, i have thought about phoning the citizens advice bureau, even tho my temp contract ran out november 2009, but apparently they dont have to tell you if they carry you on temp, week to week, pissed me off lots as they caught me off guard i went in the room with no ammo, so i got raped pretty much it was all recorded and i couldn't even think what to say lol
Mattman
05-03-10, 11:59 AM
Temp basis on a week to week contract they can let you go without giving any reason. Weeks notice just like you would have to give them if you left.
One of the main reasons i won't leave my permanent job for a temp one even if its more money.
an employment tribunal will see it as unfair due to the fact your sick was 2 days over 6 months, so its not excessive, talk to citizens advice.:thumb:
tesco are cnuts to work for! i had loads of warnings and two final ones
sadly there is nothing you can do
if you took them to a tribunal they would win no matter what leaving you to pay the costs
what makes you say that? /\
burn the store down :p lol
Curtoise
05-03-10, 12:13 PM
yeh i didnt even get 1 warning i swear they are supposed to give you atleast 1 !
basic employment law uses a 3 strike system, unless its gross misconduct, and sickness like that doesnt constitute gross misconduct.
ignore edd, he prob works for tescos.
Curtoise
05-03-10, 12:21 PM
lol but the temp contract is true i have asked many people lol
not morrisons is it lol.
in morrisons, when i was there, it was a 3 strike thing and then out.
ob's if it was really bad, like stealing, it was straight out.
basic employment law uses a 3 strike system, unless its gross misconduct, and sickness like that doesnt constitute gross misconduct.
ignore edd, he prob works for tescos.
no i dont work for tesco.
you maybe stating the law but, do you know anyone that has taken on a company of tesco's size and won ?
i very much doubt it
i do actually, i know people who have taken on the govt and won. tescos, is just another company, in a case like that it dont matter how big they are.
i do actually, i know people who have taken on the govt and won. tescos, is just another company, in a case like that it dont matter how big they are.
as i said if he takes them to a tribunal and does not win, which is highly likely because tesco will have hired some top brief and there cnuts, he will end up paying the costs, which if you had no job isnt going to very good is is ?
would you try taking them on with no job/cash ?
again I VERY MUCH DOUBT IT
L33 LEG
05-03-10, 02:59 PM
You guys have gone off topic a bit lol
Im not a temp,I have been there for a few weeks short of 3 years now. All i need to know is can they actually sack me for this or will it just be a verbal warning. Im not sure what itl come under but knowing them they'l put it under gross misconduct.
I've been thinking about what i shall do and i really need to admit it. I always deny things and get away with it no problem but the people who have got to back me up will fcuk it up for me and grass me in, so itl be pointless lying really this time. Il see my manager later and il see what he says.
L33 LEG
05-03-10, 03:02 PM
sadly there is nothing you can do
if you took them to a tribunal they would win no matter what leaving you to pay the costs
It's not the same thing but it's not hard to win things like this. My mate last year got sacked for not paying for a top-up (ie, theft). He lost his job and then thought he may aswell appeal against it. He got a load of evidence showing how the managers did the interviews wront, etc and he ended up getting his job back and paid for the 5 weeks he was out of work for lol
However, because of that time the bosses are a bit more professional when it comes down to interviews and that. They told me they wouldnnt fcuk up again. Saying that a month later i had my interview and they still fcuked it up.
Southie
05-03-10, 03:03 PM
Might help having a look through some of this CLICKY (http://www.bizhelp24.com/business-law/sacking-dismissal-redundancy.html) :thumb:
L33 LEG
05-03-10, 03:07 PM
Cheers southie. Il be needing something more in depth than that though if they do take this thing seriously. I'l look into it more when i know what's happening.
Trust you Leggy, I heard that the guy who grassed you in is Gianfranco's best mate haha
L33 LEG
05-03-10, 03:33 PM
I hope you're being sarcastic lol francos best mate is that guss guy who used to threaten me Lol
get a lawyer. 1 hr free. better than nowt mate
you'll be fine pal
i like to work my jobs on a last warning anyway, makes it more fun
L33 LEG
05-03-10, 10:40 PM
I've been suspended :roll: :wtf:
brainsnova
05-03-10, 10:45 PM
years ago when i was an apprentice an older guy threatened me and my tradesman knocked him on the floor lol and looked at me and said dont say i dont teach you enough. Oh and atleast you still have the job :d
Bit ridiculous considering what happened, but I suppose they want to make it look like they take complaints seriously and they are obviously pissed off with you. Are you suspended while they make a decision on what to do or are you suspended then going back?
General Baxter
05-03-10, 10:51 PM
thats stupid, you have all the right to say, get the **** out the store lol
L33 LEG
05-03-10, 10:54 PM
Should of made it more clear. I am suspended until the regional manager can come down next week to give me the disciplinary. Everybody thinks they cant sack me for it but for some reason they are classing it as being abusive to customers and misusing company property (the tannoy).
I went into work and i knew straight away something was happening Lol. I told my mates that i am admitting it so no need for anybody to lie and sort out a story. For some reason they interviewed them first and then it was my turn. The manager asked me about what i knew about the incident and i replied saying that i know exactly what happened and politely explained the full story (manager must of been well confused cos i am always such an argumentative tosser Lol). Even though i was honest and put my story across well he still felt the need to suspend me and explain how serious it all is.
Seriously though, how much of an asshole can one customer be? Do people not understand a bit of banter anymore. Does he feel the need to ruin my life over a small joke?
I would maybe understand the customers reaction a bit more if it was a huge shop full of people but you have to laugh it off especially if you are standing reading a magazine cover to cover in a fooking shop!
How is this classed as being abusive towards a customer, all you did was tell them in not so many words to stop taking the piss and either buy the magazine or leave. It's not as if you said "here knobhead, put the magazine down and piss off"
General Baxter
05-03-10, 10:58 PM
its not a joke, your not a library simple as!
do you have a coffee machine ?
make a sign saying, make your self a coffee, make your self at home, read a mag, (please put mag back when finished), then see what happens
Your customer service skills are crap.
General Baxter
05-03-10, 11:00 PM
mine are ****, i know, id throw a hammer at them lol
L33 LEG
05-03-10, 11:01 PM
I would maybe understand the customers reaction a bit more if it was a huge shop full of people but you have to laugh it off especially if you are standing reading a magazine cover to cover in a fooking shop!
How is this classed as being abusive towards a customer, all you did was tell them in not so many words to stop taking the piss and either buy the magazine or leave. It's not as if you said "here knobhead, put the magazine down and piss off"
Exactly, it is only a small shop and there would only of been 1 or 2 customers in at that time at the most.
I have no idea how its abusive. Im going to ask for the statements for next week and il hopefully see what he has complained about. I didnt lose my temper once with the guy and actually got on well when i apologised to him, had a bit of a laugh about it actually and he understood why. I have no idea why he had to take it further and i very much doubt he lied saying i was abusive in anyway.
To remind you and others all i said was, in a very polite way 'this is a customer announcement. I would just like to remind customers that we are not a library.' That was all. It really was the first time i have ever been polite Lol, certainly going to be the last time lol
L33 LEG
05-03-10, 11:02 PM
its not a joke, your not a library simple as!
do you have a coffee machine ?
make a sign saying, make your self a coffee, make your self at home, read a mag, (please put mag back when finished), then see what happens
Ye there's a coffee machine. I was laughing about it earlier with my mate and i have told him to get a load of mates around and all stand there whilst its really busy all reading mags and see what the manager says lol
I will never understand why people complain about things like this, just laugh it on and move on with your life, no point getting someone else into trouble over something so small and unimportant.
Jon_nova1
05-03-10, 11:44 PM
If this was me i would question the regional manager and ask if its ok for customers to read magazines from cover to cover, if they say yes then acknowledge it and say you'll take note, if they say no then ask why are they here, if they say you could have done it differently tell them you was polite and courteous and didn't want to embarrass the customer so made a general statement which could have applied to everyone, it just so happens that the customer asked if it was them.
Its a shame you don't have some kind of bribery or similar for such a stupid reaction, I got pulled into the office a few weeks ago and the supervisor was basically a tw*t, he stated he'd be having words with the manager with regards to a written warning, so i put a letter of complaint into the manager before i got called in about his approach, then if it got too far (i'd still have another written warning before sacking) i could always get a constructive dismissal out of it, the manager didn't even bother giving me a warning because of the complaint i put in lol
L33 LEG
06-03-10, 12:37 AM
That's a good idea about asking him what i should of done. However i dont want to come across that i have manager controls and 'the customer wasnt right'. I really don't see why it is a problem, will definetly explain what you said about i was polite and by saying a general statement it wasnt to embarass the customer, i could of easily singled him out but i didnt.
The whole dismissal thing is a stupid system imo. Anybody can write a complaint and they always believe it. I have had way too many against me. If i was a selfish and grumpy **** i could have half the staff sacked for comments and what they get upto, but i dont see why people cant just get on and put situations behind without grassing eachother up.
Jon_nova1
06-03-10, 12:48 AM
Don't ask him what you should have done, its all about the wording you see lol
if you ask what you should have done you'll just get a speech, say what i said above and it will put him in a compromised position, either your in the right, or its ok for customers to read magazines from cover to cover
I would say i thought it was the best solution if you weren't meant to use the tanoyed
with regards to the customer being right, let your manager answer that, if there allowed to read from cover to cover, they are right lol
I'd also request the statement from the customer before you see the manager, atleast then you can tell us and get some help and they'll be no surprises
we too have people that grass for nothing, they're called "the other shift" lol
I am right in thinking your were suspended due to abusing customers and wrong use of the tanoyed? if the statements basically say you used the tanoyed to say this is not a library then you should be able to get out of it, if it relates to what you said to the customer afterwards (denial etc) then i personally can't think of a way apart from maybe "not recalling" that incident
i would also suggest taking someone into the office with you as a witness which your entitled to, then the regional manager would have to be especially careful of what they say as you have a witness
I know all this and how to play the game because we don't even have a union, its every man for himself lol
L33 LEG
06-03-10, 10:53 AM
Thanks for the advice, most of it i know as i too, have been theres lots of times before lol
You're right about asking the manager what the right thing is, if he says the customer is allowed to read mags then fair enough Lol, il ask him if we can get some seats and tables in there...
I will have my mate (supervisor) in with me at the time. He is also the union representative so its pretty handy. The suspension is for that, however in my first statement i didnt mention the denial but afterwards he asked me if i did or not. i just said simply that i first denied it but within seconds later i realised that i should own up to it. I came across really polite tbh, it really is the first time i have taken this option lol
On monday i will ring up and ask them to send me all the statements. I need to make sure the customer hasnt lied by saying i was abusive in anyway, because i really wernt. If he didnt mention anything like that il be asking how they are classing it as being abusive.
Cheers again for the advice, no doubt there will be more updates.
Sorry to hear mate. I think you'll be OK though! :) Full pay whilst suspended FTW.
I look forward to the outcome as I always read mags in shops. Usually WH Smith ot Tesco/Asda though and never cover to cover - but that may change. lol
L33 LEG
06-03-10, 11:29 AM
Full pay is a bonus but it doesnt make it any good without knowing what the outcome will be. Last year i got suspended for 28 days, i just wanted the outcome to come sooner.
Big shops i see loads of people reading mags, but not in a tiny forecourt shop. Seen as at the time i was the person on the till i am in charge of a) looking outside at the pumps to check everyone filing up looks legit, b) serving customers and asking if they need any help, c) checking who comes into the store and see who goes out of the store without buying anything and d) looking over to the alcohol section, which is next to the magazine aisle to see if we have any theives. I have not got the time to be doing all of that and also seeing some random guy reading magazines for half an hour. As soon as i look the other way he could quite easily put a bottle of champagne in his jacket.
I could say this to my manager but they will only say its irrelevant even though i can easily back it up with our very high drive off count and stock loss.
I got my verbal warning the other month at work, for not doing "Overtime"
He said..
"This is your verbal warning, as on several occasions ive asked you to come in on saturdays and work, however youve not shown up"
"okay mate, listen, 1, im an Apprentice, therefore it is ILLEGAL for me to do overtime, 2, i said id try to come in but unfortunatley on every occasion ive had plans, and 3, your stupid lol"
I got up and walked out then, not spoke to me since :thumb:
Yea Legg was only joking about Gianfranco's mate haha.
Hope it all goes well for you fella, let us know how you get on.
Maka
I hope you are planning to point out that the customer was actually damaging saleable goods,
also, have you received tannoy training or any form of instruction as to the rights & wrongs of tannoy useage, and have you specifically been told not to use it????????
if you have received no mandatory training, then they are in no position to punish you for misuse.
and you need to have a full copy of the statements at least 24hrs before the meeting, so you can check things out, if they say they will bring them, then demand that they postpone the meeting as any unsatisfactory outcome would look very bad if taken further...
L33 LEG
09-03-10, 10:13 PM
mowgli - i have loads of things to tell them. damaging the goods, no training for the tannoy and being allowed to use it are just a few things on my massive list lol
i will hopefully be getting the statements in the morning. don't worry, i will get out of this no problem and make it look like a shambles Lol.
Tell the truth and add the lame comment of, i was only thinking of the company as if he is reading the magazines in the store, with no intention of buying there for we would loose money...i am only doing what i consider my job role...
HA!
L33 LEG
09-03-10, 10:59 PM
I have just written in word all the crap im going to say. There's no way they can get me done for this lol the only problem i have is that the manager cant stand me and even though he's not allowed to, he will be telling the regional manager all about me and saying he needs me out.
mowgli - i have loads of things to tell them. damaging the goods, no training for the tannoy and being allowed to use it are just a few things on my massive list lol
i will hopefully be getting the statements in the morning. don't worry, i will get out of this no problem and make it look like a shambles Lol.
right then.... then you cut all the personal grievance stuff out, and anything that is hearsay, because they would love to get you to lose your rag & flip at them over something minor.... just take the facts, nothing more, nothing less
L33 LEG
10-03-10, 08:59 AM
i know, cheers mate :)
L33 LEG
10-03-10, 02:19 PM
Small update:
This morning the statements came through the post. However there is no letter to say when the disciplinary is so i guess il have to enjoy a few more days off work Lol.
The statements are an absolute joke. He interviewed the 3 other people i was working with and asked about 3 or 4 questions and nothing makes sense. Is really such a pointless exercise. My manager is a bit thick when it comes to interviews and clearly has no idea about anything lol Nothing really matches any other story but at the same time, nothing bad has been said about me.
I am a little annoyed that key parts of the incident wernt asked to the witnesses. could i bring this up in my next interview?
Also, the customers complaint hasnt been copied for me. How pointless is this? its the only thing that i needed to read. What should i do? should i phone my manager and get him to send it to me or should i leave it and then basically if i had to appeal against anything the thing will have to be void as they havnt sent me the correct things.
All of the interviews have been written by a woman who works for us. the handwriting is absolutly appauling. i cant even read what i have said. it really is the scruffiest thing i have ever seen. Should i bring this up and say it isnt acceptable? It really is that bad :roll:
I know they have nothing on me and cant sack me for it but i want to go into my next interview and put a close on the whole thing and actually sound like i know something and in the end make it look like an absolute waste of time. I have more than enough things to say to them, just wish i had the customer complaint so i could say everything i want to say.
craig green
10-03-10, 02:27 PM
To think that guy that was reading the mags & placed the complaint will probably be sent a bunch of vouchers from head office as a goodwill gesture!
demand the customer complaint. tell them that they can remove the name & address details if they wish, but it will be wholy unfair that they don't put forward all of the relevant information, and ask them to transcribe the ones you have, or get the woman to be present so she can read them out as they are unreadable by you.
just remember to be polite
odds are the customer is related to a senior member of staff
L33 LEG
10-03-10, 02:32 PM
He deserves nothing. I would of been happy to write him a letter of apology, but going as high up as the head office to cry about this is a joke.
I was laughing about the whole situation but after recieving these statements the whole thing has really wound me up. They have absolutly no idea how to witness people. They may aswell had sent me some **** stains instead of this excuse of handwriting, it is awful. The first thing i am going to mention when i see this regional manager is that the statements are unacceptable and to take the situation further i would like her to read them out loud to me. Absolute bollocks imo.
The only problem i have now though is that throughout the whole thing, surprisingly, i have stayed really calm. I can't see me staying calm whilst explaining the fact the interviews were a joke.
L33 LEG
10-03-10, 02:33 PM
demand the customer complaint. tell them that they can remove the name & address details if they wish, but it will be wholy unfair that they don't put forward all of the relevant information, and ask them to transcribe the ones you have, or get the woman to be present so she can read them out as they are unreadable by you.
just remember to be polite
odds are the customer is related to a senior member of staff
i know i have the right to demand that complaint. However i am thinking that if the worst case scenario happens (to be sacked, unlikely as it sounds), i could simply appeal and without being sent the correct information it would get turned around.
L33 LEG
11-03-10, 06:51 PM
I've just been informed that apparantly what i said is classed as abusing customers in the company policy. I've just been advised (which im not going to do) to resign before i get sacked because they can get rid of me because of this.
Such a joke tbh.
General Baxter
11-03-10, 06:54 PM
its not like you ran up and slapped him lol
L33 LEG
11-03-10, 06:56 PM
It's a an absolute joke. At the time the customer wasnt even that bothered, whilst i apologised to him we both cracked jokes about it. There's no way anybody deserves to get sacked for what i did.
Is the first time ive owned up for anything to do with work, will definetly be the last time. Everyone told me i couldnt get anything for it so i thought i may aswell save time and just own up. Why are they taking this so seriously? Il appeal to the max if they get rid of me, im sure i have a great chance of winning.
it just dawned on me that it was probably a 'mystery customer'.....
well, if it was, then as you are being done for abusing a customer, if it was a member of staff, then you actually can't be done for it.......
L33 LEG
12-03-10, 12:07 PM
It won't be a mystery shopper. He lives in another town but he comes in quite regularly and nobody has mentioned anything about him being a mystery shopper. He is just a nobody who felt the need to fcuk up my job.
I should be getting my letter any minute now to tell me when the disclipinary is.
brownbear
12-03-10, 12:45 PM
The problem is if a company wants you out they can get you out no matter what...
My company were (and still are) trying to get rid of me for sickness due to a Car crash and a nice stay in hospital with meningitis...
There saying the company can not support my level of absence, even though both things are unrelated, covered by sick notes and hopefully never going to happen again!
If your card is marked the only bit of advice I can give you is to throw the book at them! That's what I did and i got a extra life...
Best of luck with the disclipinary though fella...
L33 LEG
12-03-10, 12:49 PM
Cheers for the advice. Il see what happens and won't give up. It really is over something so stupid, i cant see how they can get rid of me lol
brownbear
12-03-10, 01:01 PM
Cheers for the advice. Il see what happens and won't give up. It really is over something so stupid, i cant see how they can get rid of me lol
There is no room for stupidity in the workplace, Your actions have caused a customer offence, Customers are the reason we have a job. blah blah blah...
We as a business can not run the risk of you upsetting more customers.
You're fired...
That's how....:(
brownbear
12-03-10, 01:05 PM
You just need to pull apart every action they have made, even down to the letters they send, The processes they should have followed and if they have have they done it properly..
If you've been advised to resign your f***ed.
There is no point pulling apart what you've done as your basically wrong,
No matter how stupid and insignificant you did something you shouldn't have. The only hope you have is that they have ****ed up in one of their processes. "Throw the book at them"
Mr raddo, the simple fact is this......
if they had enough to sack him with, and have given him a final written warning already, then he would have been given a guided tour of the door by now.
advising someone to resign is the easy cop out for them, l33 gets no dole entitlement, and they just say he left.. all the paperwork matches
BUT, they haven't sent him all the evidence, which in a court of law would be just outrageous, their disciplinary will be a kangaroo court affair
L33 LEG
12-03-10, 01:13 PM
I only got advised by mate, everybody else doesnt agree.
I agree with your points about why they could sack me but at the end of the day i dont deserve it and i can only hope the manager i see next week is understanding about it.
I can throw the book at them in the appeal. That's what my mate did when he got sacked for theft. They fcuked up so much so he got his job back lol I think i would rather leave all of that side of things to the appeal, rather than the discliplinary next week. Im pretty sure the notes from the interviews alone will void it as they are REALLY bad, a 5 year old kid could of written better lol Then there's things like how the interviews were done and the order.
Last year i got out of getting fcuked for something as they didnt interview the woman who complained. However seen as this time it is a customer, im guessing they dont need interviewing? is a letter of complaint enough?
brownbear
12-03-10, 02:04 PM
Mowgli - Any company in this situation needs to follow process, Since he has been suspended they have carried out further investigations, So they can't show him the door till they have collated all the information from staff etc then carried out the disciplinary hearing, Thus collecting his side of the story. "the final piece of the puzzle so to speak" That's why he hasn't been shown the door yet.
L33 LEG - A letter of complaint should be enough, If there are witnesses etc.
I'm not disputing for a second that they should let it slide as it's a minimal offence, I was just trying to say to you don't use the smallness of what you did as your only defence as no matter how you look at it it's not going to be a good enough reason to keep you employed from a company perspective if they want rid, understanding manager or not.
I was merely pointing out the weakness in your defence when it comes to the investigation and saying you should look to more "political" ways to turn it to your advantage.
My advice to you would be...
Lots of apologies and yes sir no sir it'll never happen again sir in the investigation, It was a silly mistake etc, I didn't think of the consequences of my actions, Request for more training on how to handle the situation should it arise again (thus putting the blame back onto the company as they have not given you the correct training/processes to deal with the situation)
If all else fails and they decide to let you go. Appeal.. Then your defence is their shocking processes, the lack of information cascaded to you during your suspense, lack of HR contact and again time to mention the lack of training etc.
brownbear
12-03-10, 02:06 PM
Best of luck fella.
L33 LEG
12-03-10, 02:15 PM
Cheers again for the advice, it is pretty much how i am going to tackle it. Half of the case is mis-use of the tanoy. We have been told we have to use it but havnt been given any training whatsoever and not been told what to and what not to say on it, so that'l close that side of it hopefully.
Throughout the whole thing i have owned up and apologised, hopefully this will go in my favour a little. At the same time im collecting evidence to show my reasons to doing it and whatever.
I will be appealing if they get rid of me, that is when il mention the procedures, etc.
brownbear
12-03-10, 02:26 PM
Good plan fella! Sorry if i came across all high and mighty but I used to be a big part in the internal investigation side of the company i work for. So I just wanted to try and help you but i'm **** with typing worded direction. lol
If you need any help with where to look for correct dismissal processes etc (hopefully you won't) drop me a pm i'll talk you through were to look online and via the wording on your contract and compare it to what has actually happened. Most companies foobar up dismissals but people just roll over.
L33 LEG
12-03-10, 03:17 PM
Il keep that in mind, cheers!
My mate just came around who will be with me in the interview. Theres a lot of stuff i can say in my favour and i can fault the whole investigations really so i feel a bit better. I know that if i do get sacked i shouldnt have any problem winning the appeal, not that i want it to get that far.
jimbob-mcgrew
12-03-10, 03:46 PM
30 mins reading a mag is about 25 mins too long a time to be spent in a shop.
L33 LEG
17-03-10, 10:14 AM
The meeting is at 2pm today :)
I am taking with me a full 4 page essay to read out when i get there. It's going to take hours lol There is absolutly no way whatsoever they have any rights to sack me for this, got a huge amount of facts to prove that i was not the one being abusive. If they are stupid enough to sack me then they wouldnt stand a chance in the appeal.
Il let you know what the outcome is as soon as i can, cheers again for all the advice.
lol i love the fact most of your posts go on for ages and turn into a major scandal with all members having different opinions!
L33 LEG
17-03-10, 10:46 AM
Not really Lol. The yaris thread was fairly major lol but this is mostly people agreeing with me. It has only gone on for ages because my managers want to waste my time tbh.
Not really Lol. The yaris thread was fairly major lol but this is mostly people agreeing with me. It has only gone on for ages because my managers want to waste my time tbh.
yeah, well at least you are doing something about this one though......
L33 LEG
17-03-10, 11:16 AM
lol true. I suppose i thought nothing would of happened if i took the yaris info to the dvla. I havnt heard anything about him since then really, if i find out he is still doing it then il probably take it further.
Saying that though, was only the other day that i street viewed his street on google looking for the car lol unfourtantly it wasnt outside his house :(
L33 LEG
17-03-10, 11:45 PM
Yes, was given a wriiten final warning :roll:
The woman was an **** tbh, was obvious she didnt like me and it was looking a dead certainty of me being sacked. However, she hasnt done me for being abusive but has given me the warning for using the tanoy. Im thinking of appealing due to the fact we have not been given training and seen as they didnt prove me to be abusive i dont understand why they are doing me for 'talking' on the tanoy :wtf:
General Baxter
18-03-10, 07:44 AM
just take it, and dont make it any worse lol
they want rid of you big time.......but daren't
my father in law had a final warning from a malicious allegation that was completely unfounded....
he was doing fine untill the same person made even more outrageous allegations & he was out immediately.... without as much as a meeting to tell him what was going on.... it was 'get coat, get out'
What should you do? Stop funking about.
People are miserable all the time and love a moan, they moan.. You get it in the neck. Simple.
What should you do? Stop funking about.
People are miserable all the time and love a moan, they moan.. You get it in the neck. Simple.
couldnt agree more, the best thing to do is turn up, do your job and go home where you can have a laugh etc
or do the complete opposite and just funk about until they sack you.
L33 LEG
18-03-10, 10:20 AM
I understand that. This past year i dont do much at all, i have always worked hard and do whatever jobs need doing but get on with the guys there so with have a laugh. I tend to get the **** for whatever happens though Lol. Iv told myself that from now on im not going to do one thing wrong but i can see somebody one day making a false complaint about me and seen as im on the last warning il get booted for it.
I know it will make the management hate me even more but by trying to appeal the decision at least i wont be on my last warning. Im planning on leaving very soon anyway so i should just get the jobs done and keep out of trouble until then.
rubachuk
18-03-10, 01:12 PM
Have they advised you on how to deal with the same situation should it arise again?
L33 LEG
18-03-10, 02:39 PM
Pretty much said that i should leave him to it Lol
I've just been informed that apparantly what i said is classed as abusing customers in the company policy. I've just been advised (which im not going to do) to resign before i get sacked because they can get rid of me because of this.
Such a joke tbh.
who told you this? if it was a manager, you have a case for constructive dismissal and discrimination. if you have evidence of it, a co-worker or a text or something your laughing. definately fukk them for it. :thumb: (just done my personal cases course :d)
blue_peg_16v
18-03-10, 10:00 PM
sloth have you read what has happened he got a final written in the end
yeah, but he can still take it to a tribunal if he aint happy mate.
L33 LEG
18-03-10, 11:36 PM
It was my supervisor but is also a very close mate. Im not wanting to get him into any sh1t Lol, but it was very obvious with a few things that the management spoke about everything.
Whats done is done though now, im just trying to keep my head down and hopefully wont get any complaints lol
Just stay away from the tannoy thing and you should be fine lol
L33 LEG
19-03-10, 08:59 AM
I refuse to use it lol
I'm gonna to come in and say you called me a cnut mate. lol
L33 LEG
19-03-10, 12:33 PM
Im never admitting anything again so good luck proving it lol
The customer is always right. lol
In all seriousness though, a final warning for that is beyond stupid.
Head down, ar$e up until you leave mate!
L33 LEG
19-03-10, 12:45 PM
I had a talk with my manager yesterday and i told him how stupid the whole thing is and that i hate working there now and am looking for a new job lol he did the usual friendly talk but we all know what he really thinks of me, just a shame he's a lying sh1thead Lol.
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