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Copers
13-02-10, 07:23 PM
1.2 carb engine 55 standard come out with this, was expecting 60/65 at a push

http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq200/Copers90/P13-02-10_182302.jpg

General Baxter
13-02-10, 07:26 PM
does it have a max power sticker ?

Paul
13-02-10, 07:27 PM
what you done to it?

General Baxter
13-02-10, 07:28 PM
1.4 cam i think lol

Paul
13-02-10, 07:28 PM
edited: im still a bit dubious as that is more than a 1400

Copers
13-02-10, 07:28 PM
got 1.4 cam and igntion set up, 1.4 carb 1.3 inlet, 4-1 manifold and full system

Stuart
13-02-10, 07:29 PM
post the WHOLE graph

MK999
13-02-10, 07:29 PM
Did they have the temp probe in a cup of coffee? lol

muzzy
13-02-10, 07:31 PM
post the WHOLE graph

What he said

craig green
13-02-10, 07:35 PM
LOL. I think that might be a tad optimistic.

However you can use it as a benchmark if you use the same rolling road again, just say its measured in raisins rather than bhp.

Copers
13-02-10, 07:36 PM
like you asked for

http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq200/Copers90/P13-02-10_1933.jpg

burgo
13-02-10, 07:36 PM
Did they have the temp probe in a cup of coffee? lollmfao i think youve nailed it

power drops off very early aswell

Copers
13-02-10, 07:37 PM
well it was local site who had a meet so everyones must be out if mine is

Adam
13-02-10, 07:37 PM
Edit, Didnt see page 2,Lol

Paul
13-02-10, 07:43 PM
Yeh, no-ones slating yours mate, it is just a tad strong fro what you've had done, but as said, use the same place again, so now you have a figure to work off of.

To be honest, its pointless chasing numbers, as long as your happy with the way it drives and goes!

Copers
13-02-10, 07:45 PM
well how can it be bit optimistic, seat leon cupra standard 180 ran 177 so its obvously not out tbh but i wont bother next time

Paul
13-02-10, 07:47 PM
well how can it be bit optimistic, seat leon cupra standard 180 ran 177 so its obvously not out tbh but i wont bother next time

I know it sounds like everyone is jumping on the bandwagon, but maybe the Seat was a bit poorly?

mayhem
13-02-10, 07:48 PM
i have more faith in maha rollers. but i have no idea of 1.2 tuning, so i can't judge it.

let's have a judge my RR result topic lol

muzzy
13-02-10, 07:49 PM
Good result for a 1.2, must be a decent engine.

MK999
13-02-10, 07:50 PM
well how can it be bit optimistic, seat leon cupra standard 180 ran 177 so its obvously not out tbh but i wont bother next time

it's a rise of 20bhp, which is roughly 1.4x your engines original output (that's assuming everything is brand sparkly new and just rolled out of the factory) that's the same as getting 210bhp on an XE, now although for the displacement there are engines around that will do it, they're slightly more advanced than a mish mash of 80's vauxhall parts that were never designed to work together.

In order to get 210bhp on an XE it'd have to be a very good cammed setup with parts to match on ITB's with a very good map on a very good day.

So, considering the above I'm sure you can understand we're a tad pessimistic about the accuracy of said rolling road.

burgo
13-02-10, 07:51 PM
well how can it be bit optimistic, seat leon cupra standard 180 ran 177 so its obvously not out tbh but i wont bother next time

because you have hardly done anything to it. you're 18bhp up on standard for doing really not alot.

Adam
13-02-10, 07:52 PM
Well, my standard xe is 180brake

Copers
13-02-10, 07:54 PM
well a mate around my area has 1.4sr and mine is quicker but think what you like

craig green
13-02-10, 07:54 PM
well a mate around my area has 1.4sr and mine is quicker but think what you like


Your 1.2 is quicker than a 1.4SR??? You sure you havent got a 1300/1400 bottom end in there?

A rolling rd graph for a 1.2 Nova is always going to cop some flack on a forum FFS. I bet the rolling rd equipment thought a Robin had flewn in & spun the rollers over!

burgo
13-02-10, 07:55 PM
well a mate around my area has 1.4sr and mine is quicker but think what you likeWOW maybe yours is one of the rare lotus novas then if its that quick :roll:

muzzy
13-02-10, 07:56 PM
You don't need to get so upset over it, if your happy and it runs well then what does it matter?

Copers
13-02-10, 07:56 PM
i've done what i've said i've done, but i'm obviously lien and so are the rollers, but thats obviously how it goes

phazer
13-02-10, 08:05 PM
Better tell your insurers you're running 18bhp more than standard then...they'd love to push up the premium. Of course you might want to visit a more realistic RR before you do that lol

Damo
13-02-10, 08:12 PM
Better tell your insurers you're running 18bhp more than standard then...they'd love to push up the premium. Of course you might want to visit a more realistic RR before you do that lol

Now now lads think youve ripped him long enough lol.

Copers if your happy with what the readout says then thats all that matters.

Like theyve said if your going to put up a RR graph off a 1.2 that 18hp up on standard with as little mods as youve done people will give there opinions as they have all been tryed and tested before.

djbrowney
13-02-10, 08:15 PM
good power figure, but why did you only rev it to 6000 rpm ?

craig green
13-02-10, 08:18 PM
We must remember this thread when the annual PNG awards nominations are being put forward later in the year.

For 'technical achievement' you understand!

burgo
13-02-10, 08:20 PM
good power figure, but why did you only rev it to 6000 rpm ?the power started tailing off at 5500 so theres not much point

djbrowney
13-02-10, 08:28 PM
yes burgo i see that but the power is calculated on the run down from the limiter. so would this not affect the overall figure !

phazer
13-02-10, 09:12 PM
The limiter can't be much higher on that engine can it? Maybe 6250 at the outside so soft limit will be at about 6k. The 1.6 16v cuts at 6.5k standard.

db_1.2
13-02-10, 09:24 PM
I rebuilt an early 20xe (standard as far as i knew, other than cr@p filter) on my driveway, and proceeded to have it RR'd, and i achieved 162.8bhp......

Also my second car was a 1.2 carb, and i was told it had a different carb, and i know it had a different manifold, and very loud system! (for which i got section 52/59 or w/e) and it went at a similar pace to my 1300 sr.

Just thought id throw that into the mix!

Adam
13-02-10, 09:27 PM
Its a carb engine, could rev it to 8k if you felt like it

djbrowney
13-02-10, 09:36 PM
Its a carb engine, could rev it to 8k if you felt like it

valve bounce is the limit lol

Damo
13-02-10, 09:53 PM
valve bounce is the limit lol

Yea lol well pointed out DJ.

phazer
13-02-10, 10:08 PM
lol, I know next to feck all about the older carb'd engines, so is the only indication that you've reached the limit the thing rattling to bits?

Adam
13-02-10, 10:13 PM
Its usually when it stops revving due to a conrod appearing through the block.
Ask Lee for a description of the noise this makes.

Damo
13-02-10, 10:14 PM
Its usually when it stops revving due to a conrod appearing through the block.
Ask Lee for a description of the noise this makes.

^^^^ i like lol .

Nice one ad.

phazer
13-02-10, 10:48 PM
Its usually when it stops revving due to a conrod appearing through the block.
Ask Lee for a description of the noise this makes.

pmsl :eek:

burgo
14-02-10, 01:23 AM
The limiter can't be much higher on that engine can it? Maybe 6250 at the outside so soft limit will be at about 6k. The 1.6 16v cuts at 6.5k standard.nope the little 1.2's go much higher than that :) ive got a rolling road print out of mine going to 6500 and still making power lol mine hits valve bounce at about 7500rpm

General Baxter
14-02-10, 01:38 AM
my 1.4 went to 8500 iirc lol
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/hydro1.jpg

Connor
14-02-10, 02:02 AM
my 1.4 went to 8500 iirc lol
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/hydro1.jpg
lol lol lol
+rep

Edd
14-02-10, 02:06 AM
lol lol lol

nice job

burgo
14-02-10, 02:13 AM
baxter it doesnt count if it explodes. mine goes to 7500 and stays in one piece

Hobbit
14-02-10, 04:58 AM
I dont get why everyone is questioning the results, it just proves why 1.2's are so nippy lol

garyc
14-02-10, 08:30 AM
that looks OK to me, I am always dubious of those rolldown calculated results. You are best comparing the measured BHP. I have been to several RR and the measured correlates well between them, however the calculated can be all over the place. Std cams and carbs do tend to drop off at early RPM's. its a shame the fuelling isnt plotted on there too, what did they say about that?

burgo
14-02-10, 08:45 AM
that looks OK to me, I am always dubious of those rolldown calculated results. You are best comparing the measured BHP. I have been to several RR and the measured correlates well between them, however the calculated can be all over the place. Std cams and carbs do tend to drop off at early RPM's. its a shame the fuelling isnt plotted on there too, what did they say about that?

dont at all if you set the timing up properly

garyc
14-02-10, 08:58 AM
I should have said the torque drops off but HP does go up but slowly. I guess he only had a couple of power runs so nothing was optimised. I bet there would be more to come out of that if it was set up properly.

burgo
14-02-10, 09:09 AM
I should have said the torque drops off but HP does go up but slowly. I guess he only had a couple of power runs so nothing was optimised. I bet there would be more to come out of that if it was set up properly.

yes thats more like it as i get basically 60lb ft of torque between 2000-4000rpm and then it begins to tail off. where as bhp increases till about 5500 where it then flat lines to 6500

Leeboo
14-02-10, 01:01 PM
1.no lol

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd139/leeberto/DSC00355.jpg

The little 1.2's are great when they are well serviced ^ that was my fault not the engine's.

mayhem
14-02-10, 01:36 PM
how do you destroy those tiny little engines?

i even broke the rev limiter on my c14nz, i have no idea how lol just keeping it in the limiter and for some reason it stopped making the huutuutuuutuu noise and it went to 8000rpm lol

it did use about 1ltr of oil on 600miles though lol

Stuart
14-02-10, 04:12 PM
hmm most of the issue is the dyno dynamics way of calculating run down... its 'ok' on larger capacity/larger power stuff, but you get smaller/lower kit in and it gets a bit vague

Jon_nova1
14-02-10, 05:46 PM
I believe him, i had a 1.4 with similarly upgraded parts and that was a hell of alot torquer than the 1.6 GTE.

burgo
14-02-10, 06:04 PM
you seem to be forgetting that gte's are about 100kgs heavier than base models!!! 100kgs is alot

Mike
14-02-10, 06:06 PM
100kgs is alot

4 bags of plaster. 100kgs is a fiar old whack, eqiv to a average male passenger nearly.

EDIT: 100kg = 15.7 stone. Maybe a passenger an small child lol lol

Bubba
14-02-10, 06:12 PM
EDIT: 100kg = 15.7 stone. Maybe a passenger an small child lol lol

it would be me with 10kg thermos ;)


AJ is erm, **** and ive heard a few people say that. when i had my cav RR we went to AP motors.


local club? not sh!t,shower,shave by anychance?

General Baxter
14-02-10, 11:25 PM
so its like having 2 of me in the car ?

burgo
15-02-10, 05:56 AM
so its like having 2 of me in the car ?no baxter it would be like having half of you lol

Stuart
15-02-10, 09:11 AM
or me with half a limb cut off lol

General Baxter
15-02-10, 11:53 AM
oi im only 19stone now, iv lost 2 since x-mas so ner :p

matthew172
16-02-10, 04:42 PM
we have got to remember here that if a member of this site posts results of his rrd and there anything over standard then they can only expect there results to be slated - dyno is wrong, cars were poorly and all the rest of that bollox and you can guarantee its usually always by the same people, seen it so many times!

16v Nova Kev
16-02-10, 04:45 PM
oi im only 19stone now, iv lost 2 since x-mas so ner :p

finally you got laid lol:d

mowgli
16-02-10, 05:41 PM
oi im only 19stone now, iv lost 2 since x-mas so ner :p

i think you found it again

General Baxter
16-02-10, 05:43 PM
finally you got laid lol:d

do you want a slap lol

16v Nova Kev
16-02-10, 05:47 PM
yes please big boy.

Stuart
16-02-10, 07:12 PM
we have got to remember here that if a member of this site posts results of his rrd and there anything over standard then they can only expect there results to be slated - dyno is wrong, cars were poorly and all the rest of that bollox and you can guarantee its usually always by the same people, seen it so many times!


note some of us know what we are talking about ;) and reality can sometimes be negative... thats life, deal with it and carry on