View Full Version : Rolling road printout for the nova
1.2 carb engine 55 standard come out with this, was expecting 60/65 at a push
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq200/Copers90/P13-02-10_182302.jpg
General Baxter
13-02-10, 07:26 PM
does it have a max power sticker ?
General Baxter
13-02-10, 07:28 PM
1.4 cam i think lol
edited: im still a bit dubious as that is more than a 1400
got 1.4 cam and igntion set up, 1.4 carb 1.3 inlet, 4-1 manifold and full system
Did they have the temp probe in a cup of coffee? lol
post the WHOLE graph
What he said
craig green
13-02-10, 07:35 PM
LOL. I think that might be a tad optimistic.
However you can use it as a benchmark if you use the same rolling road again, just say its measured in raisins rather than bhp.
like you asked for
http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq200/Copers90/P13-02-10_1933.jpg
Did they have the temp probe in a cup of coffee? lollmfao i think youve nailed it
power drops off very early aswell
well it was local site who had a meet so everyones must be out if mine is
Edit, Didnt see page 2,Lol
Yeh, no-ones slating yours mate, it is just a tad strong fro what you've had done, but as said, use the same place again, so now you have a figure to work off of.
To be honest, its pointless chasing numbers, as long as your happy with the way it drives and goes!
well how can it be bit optimistic, seat leon cupra standard 180 ran 177 so its obvously not out tbh but i wont bother next time
well how can it be bit optimistic, seat leon cupra standard 180 ran 177 so its obvously not out tbh but i wont bother next time
I know it sounds like everyone is jumping on the bandwagon, but maybe the Seat was a bit poorly?
i have more faith in maha rollers. but i have no idea of 1.2 tuning, so i can't judge it.
let's have a judge my RR result topic lol
Good result for a 1.2, must be a decent engine.
well how can it be bit optimistic, seat leon cupra standard 180 ran 177 so its obvously not out tbh but i wont bother next time
it's a rise of 20bhp, which is roughly 1.4x your engines original output (that's assuming everything is brand sparkly new and just rolled out of the factory) that's the same as getting 210bhp on an XE, now although for the displacement there are engines around that will do it, they're slightly more advanced than a mish mash of 80's vauxhall parts that were never designed to work together.
In order to get 210bhp on an XE it'd have to be a very good cammed setup with parts to match on ITB's with a very good map on a very good day.
So, considering the above I'm sure you can understand we're a tad pessimistic about the accuracy of said rolling road.
well how can it be bit optimistic, seat leon cupra standard 180 ran 177 so its obvously not out tbh but i wont bother next time
because you have hardly done anything to it. you're 18bhp up on standard for doing really not alot.
Well, my standard xe is 180brake
well a mate around my area has 1.4sr and mine is quicker but think what you like
craig green
13-02-10, 07:54 PM
well a mate around my area has 1.4sr and mine is quicker but think what you like
Your 1.2 is quicker than a 1.4SR??? You sure you havent got a 1300/1400 bottom end in there?
A rolling rd graph for a 1.2 Nova is always going to cop some flack on a forum FFS. I bet the rolling rd equipment thought a Robin had flewn in & spun the rollers over!
well a mate around my area has 1.4sr and mine is quicker but think what you likeWOW maybe yours is one of the rare lotus novas then if its that quick :roll:
You don't need to get so upset over it, if your happy and it runs well then what does it matter?
i've done what i've said i've done, but i'm obviously lien and so are the rollers, but thats obviously how it goes
Better tell your insurers you're running 18bhp more than standard then...they'd love to push up the premium. Of course you might want to visit a more realistic RR before you do that lol
Better tell your insurers you're running 18bhp more than standard then...they'd love to push up the premium. Of course you might want to visit a more realistic RR before you do that lol
Now now lads think youve ripped him long enough lol.
Copers if your happy with what the readout says then thats all that matters.
Like theyve said if your going to put up a RR graph off a 1.2 that 18hp up on standard with as little mods as youve done people will give there opinions as they have all been tryed and tested before.
djbrowney
13-02-10, 08:15 PM
good power figure, but why did you only rev it to 6000 rpm ?
craig green
13-02-10, 08:18 PM
We must remember this thread when the annual PNG awards nominations are being put forward later in the year.
For 'technical achievement' you understand!
good power figure, but why did you only rev it to 6000 rpm ?the power started tailing off at 5500 so theres not much point
djbrowney
13-02-10, 08:28 PM
yes burgo i see that but the power is calculated on the run down from the limiter. so would this not affect the overall figure !
The limiter can't be much higher on that engine can it? Maybe 6250 at the outside so soft limit will be at about 6k. The 1.6 16v cuts at 6.5k standard.
I rebuilt an early 20xe (standard as far as i knew, other than cr@p filter) on my driveway, and proceeded to have it RR'd, and i achieved 162.8bhp......
Also my second car was a 1.2 carb, and i was told it had a different carb, and i know it had a different manifold, and very loud system! (for which i got section 52/59 or w/e) and it went at a similar pace to my 1300 sr.
Just thought id throw that into the mix!
Its a carb engine, could rev it to 8k if you felt like it
djbrowney
13-02-10, 09:36 PM
Its a carb engine, could rev it to 8k if you felt like it
valve bounce is the limit lol
valve bounce is the limit lol
Yea lol well pointed out DJ.
lol, I know next to feck all about the older carb'd engines, so is the only indication that you've reached the limit the thing rattling to bits?
Its usually when it stops revving due to a conrod appearing through the block.
Ask Lee for a description of the noise this makes.
Its usually when it stops revving due to a conrod appearing through the block.
Ask Lee for a description of the noise this makes.
^^^^ i like lol .
Nice one ad.
Its usually when it stops revving due to a conrod appearing through the block.
Ask Lee for a description of the noise this makes.
pmsl :eek:
The limiter can't be much higher on that engine can it? Maybe 6250 at the outside so soft limit will be at about 6k. The 1.6 16v cuts at 6.5k standard.nope the little 1.2's go much higher than that :) ive got a rolling road print out of mine going to 6500 and still making power lol mine hits valve bounce at about 7500rpm
General Baxter
14-02-10, 01:38 AM
my 1.4 went to 8500 iirc lol
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/hydro1.jpg
my 1.4 went to 8500 iirc lol
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/baxters83/hydro1.jpg
lol lol lol
+rep
baxter it doesnt count if it explodes. mine goes to 7500 and stays in one piece
I dont get why everyone is questioning the results, it just proves why 1.2's are so nippy lol
that looks OK to me, I am always dubious of those rolldown calculated results. You are best comparing the measured BHP. I have been to several RR and the measured correlates well between them, however the calculated can be all over the place. Std cams and carbs do tend to drop off at early RPM's. its a shame the fuelling isnt plotted on there too, what did they say about that?
that looks OK to me, I am always dubious of those rolldown calculated results. You are best comparing the measured BHP. I have been to several RR and the measured correlates well between them, however the calculated can be all over the place. Std cams and carbs do tend to drop off at early RPM's. its a shame the fuelling isnt plotted on there too, what did they say about that?
dont at all if you set the timing up properly
I should have said the torque drops off but HP does go up but slowly. I guess he only had a couple of power runs so nothing was optimised. I bet there would be more to come out of that if it was set up properly.
I should have said the torque drops off but HP does go up but slowly. I guess he only had a couple of power runs so nothing was optimised. I bet there would be more to come out of that if it was set up properly.
yes thats more like it as i get basically 60lb ft of torque between 2000-4000rpm and then it begins to tail off. where as bhp increases till about 5500 where it then flat lines to 6500
1.no lol
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd139/leeberto/DSC00355.jpg
The little 1.2's are great when they are well serviced ^ that was my fault not the engine's.
how do you destroy those tiny little engines?
i even broke the rev limiter on my c14nz, i have no idea how lol just keeping it in the limiter and for some reason it stopped making the huutuutuuutuu noise and it went to 8000rpm lol
it did use about 1ltr of oil on 600miles though lol
hmm most of the issue is the dyno dynamics way of calculating run down... its 'ok' on larger capacity/larger power stuff, but you get smaller/lower kit in and it gets a bit vague
Jon_nova1
14-02-10, 05:46 PM
I believe him, i had a 1.4 with similarly upgraded parts and that was a hell of alot torquer than the 1.6 GTE.
you seem to be forgetting that gte's are about 100kgs heavier than base models!!! 100kgs is alot
100kgs is alot
4 bags of plaster. 100kgs is a fiar old whack, eqiv to a average male passenger nearly.
EDIT: 100kg = 15.7 stone. Maybe a passenger an small child lol lol
EDIT: 100kg = 15.7 stone. Maybe a passenger an small child lol lol
it would be me with 10kg thermos ;)
AJ is erm, **** and ive heard a few people say that. when i had my cav RR we went to AP motors.
local club? not sh!t,shower,shave by anychance?
General Baxter
14-02-10, 11:25 PM
so its like having 2 of me in the car ?
so its like having 2 of me in the car ?no baxter it would be like having half of you lol
or me with half a limb cut off lol
General Baxter
15-02-10, 11:53 AM
oi im only 19stone now, iv lost 2 since x-mas so ner :p
matthew172
16-02-10, 04:42 PM
we have got to remember here that if a member of this site posts results of his rrd and there anything over standard then they can only expect there results to be slated - dyno is wrong, cars were poorly and all the rest of that bollox and you can guarantee its usually always by the same people, seen it so many times!
16v Nova Kev
16-02-10, 04:45 PM
oi im only 19stone now, iv lost 2 since x-mas so ner :p
finally you got laid lol:d
oi im only 19stone now, iv lost 2 since x-mas so ner :p
i think you found it again
General Baxter
16-02-10, 05:43 PM
finally you got laid lol:d
do you want a slap lol
16v Nova Kev
16-02-10, 05:47 PM
yes please big boy.
we have got to remember here that if a member of this site posts results of his rrd and there anything over standard then they can only expect there results to be slated - dyno is wrong, cars were poorly and all the rest of that bollox and you can guarantee its usually always by the same people, seen it so many times!
note some of us know what we are talking about ;) and reality can sometimes be negative... thats life, deal with it and carry on
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