Nova 3.2 v6 (z32se)

[david dixon]

well here is the start of what will in end in a 3.2 v6 nova, we managed to find a clean nova with only 46k original miles! its a fairly clean/ solid car, the floor, doors, legs are just about what they were like from the factory, the only places where there is a bit rust is slam panel, one patch on the inner wing and just starting to show on the arches, here's a few pics of the car.
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more to be added........

[david dixon]

first thing to do was brakes, so we fitted some 288mm v6 front discs and calipers.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/davdxn2005/nova%20z32se%20build/z32separts4.jpg

then started collecting parts for the build of the engine to make sure everything was up to scratch.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/davdxn2005/nova%20z32se%20build/z32separts.jpg

Then bought 2 back boxes so we can run twin exhaust systems straight from the manifolds back.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/davdxn2005/nova%20z32se%20build/z32separts1.jpg

than just a couple of car mods.
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a few more parts

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/davdxn2005/nova%20z32se%20build/32leads.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/davdxn2005/nova%20z32se%20build/32trackrodends.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/davdxn2005/nova%20z32se%20build/32balljoints.jpg

here's a few more bits collected for the build which need cleaning and painting.
competition engine mounts
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/davdxn2005/car%20pics/competitionmounts.jpg

Nova strut brace which looks like it'll fit around the inlet ok.....soon find out though
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/davdxn2005/car%20pics/novastrutbrace.jpg

some poly bushed bottom arms and rose joint tie bars with the option of lowering for the 6 speed boxes etc.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/davdxn2005/car%20pics/rosejointtiebars.jpg

and we are going to use the bilstein front shocks for it.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/davdxn2005/car%20pics/bilseinshocks.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/davdxn2005/car%20pics/bilseinshocks1.jpg

[david dixon]

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we then moved on to giving it some seem welding just to be sure....
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Then it was all clean back, rubbed down, primed and painted in the colour its going to end off, this is straight out the gun, needs a quick rub back and polish.....
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[david dixon]

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we cleaned out the rear arches out and sprayed some stone chip around to keep it protected, no welding needed which i was happy about!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/z32senova2.jpg

then it was time to give the speedlines a lick of paint (black to match the future body colour)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/z32senova.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/z32senova3.jpg

then we tackled the 3.2 lump;
first thing we did was strip it down to the bottom end and check the bores and piston movement (all was fine there)
we also removed the paper filter housing to return it to the old style filter fitment and also removed the oil cooler as we are going to fit a front mount aftermarket item.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/z32se2.jpg

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we then fitted a set of modded 2.5 v6 heads (smaller chamber for higher compression) fitted the 3.2 exhaust valves (sodium filled), 3.2 cams G/J, matched up the inlet ports to a 3.0 inlet divider
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/z32se3.jpg

then did a pikie gas flow to removed the large lump the restricts the v6 engines on the exhaust sides (alot of meat come out of here)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/z32se4.jpg

then started putting it all together
the f18 box needed modding to fit the saab style gearbox face on the 3.2 block!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/z32se.jpg

[david dixon]

more updates will come in the next week or so, hope you like

david

[robertdevlin69]

sweet

[Nova_Tek]

Great project mate, something quite different. Should shift and have plenty of grunt with that 3.2 in the front.

Interesting choice of gearbox. Will the F18 be able to take the power/torque of the lump?

Can't wait to see this fully finished.

[david dixon]

yeah it should be fine mate, we ran a saab 2.5 v6 with a 75 shot on a f20 and it took it ok, with this being a long derv box it shouldn't take it out of it too much!

David.

[Danny s-p]

that engine bay look mint don't no if it was like that the last time i was over and the engine look mint. wat you think it will do at york

[david dixon]

well the 2.5 did 12.5 so hopefully with a turbo on this one we'll see 11's but i suppose we can only wait and see mate!

david.

[Connor]

jesus :eek:
Looks like a wicked project
Not to sound like a dumbo but what is the v6 out of?

[david dixon]

its from a vectra C GSI mate

David.

[burgo]

i trust youve already had the engine fitted and fabricated everything thats involved with fitting a v6?? if not then your gonna scratch your shiny paint

[david dixon]

its ok mate we have done the v6's before so we knew what needed doing before hand

David.

[muzzy]

Looks like a good shell, paint has come out well too. Will definetly be keeping an eye on this.

[david dixon]

cheers!

[burgo]

its ok mate we have done the v6's before so we knew what needed doing before hand

David.ahhh in that case fair play mate :D good luck with it

[david dixon]

cheers burgo.

[Connor]

its from a vectra C GSI mate

David.

sweet, never seen that conversion before
good luck, will be keeping my eye on this one :thumb:

[david dixon]

i dont think it has ever been done mate, in any country!

[Connor]

i dont think it has ever been done mate, in any country!
well theres a first for everything ;)

[david dixon]

this is true mate

[Rickyb]

looking good pall i will also be keeping an eye on this

[Mazz]

wow someones been busy - looks like it will be giggle at Pod, especially with wome laughing gas!

[Edd]

always nice to see some thing different, no matter how crazy it is lol

[Southie]

Well nice to see something from a newer spec model and all the best in your quest. :cool:

Don't forget these though. ;)

http://www.turnfast.com/images/tech_driving/cornering1.gif

[Damo]

Subscribed:thumb: .

Damo.

[david dixon]

ha ha i dont do corners mate, its for drag racing but i have to say, the 2.5 handled much better than any xe/let we built in the past!

david

[Jack]

^ how the hell did you manage that lol

Looks like it could be a good project, will be keeping an eye on this as well. What inlet and throttle gubbins are you using?

Are you going to be replacing the plastic rocker covers with metal ones?

[david dixon]

We using vectra B GSI plenums, loom and ecu with 3ltr lower divider.
to be honest the v6 handles better and i'm sure its because it sits more central in the bay rather than all the weight being at one side like the xe/lets are.

david

[MK999]

Also sits over the front end though, you should find it has an amazing tendency to resist any kind of pivoting motion, i.e cornering lol

[burgo]

Also sits over the front end though, you should find it has an amazing tendency to resist any kind of pivoting motion, i.e cornering lolthat may be the case but it can be made to work. look at alfa 33's for instance, they are known for awesome handling yet the whole of the engine is infront of the front wheels

[david dixon]

no no i have found in my experience that v6's do handle better than xe/let's and i have had a few ha.

david

[scott.parker]

Interesting to say the least, i was also wondering about the rocker covers, as hear they warp etc.

Now as others say it should in theory handle quite bad as theres an extra head hanging over the front, Jack's V6 is lethal (his own words)

And i see what your saying about the XE/LET's but surly the gearbox helps to counter weight this?

Good luck though mate, nice to see your back.

Scott

[MK999]

that may be the case but it can be made to work. look at alfa 33's for instance, they are known for awesome handling yet the whole of the engine is infront of the front wheels

seems so, same setup as a nova basically, besides a rear beam which is mounted in a slightly funkier fashion (only seen a fairly iffy pic of the setup but it seems to just maintain a track width slightly better) defies the basic principles of a car that handles well but seems to work for whatever reason :wtf:

[david dixon]

we sticking with the plastic rockers as we have never had a issue even running 75hp gas, the problem with the metal ones is that they will hold heat and thats not a good thing when yout have a inlet manifold sitting on top of them!

David.

[Jack]

Hmm, my engine runs a LOT cooler with the metal covers than the plastic ones. I did put this down to better airflow in the engine bay though.

As for the handling, meh. Mine could drag itself round corners pretty well with the XE, but the V6 understeers like there's no tomorrow. Any details on your suspension setup, any tips on improving mine would be ideal lol

[SGA33]

Looks very nice.
I think i have seen your white nova with v6 in at york dragway and that was pretty rapid.Also seen it near where i live as i nearly passed out seeing another nova in town lol.

[novacabrio]

Chavs lol

Looking good mate, your bro was telling me about it today, sounded interesting

[Pistol Pete]

Looks good so far. Look forward to updates!

[Benn]

Looks fun, black looks great.

[Big_Chap]

Fresh ideas, I like!

There was a z28net (2.8 v6 turbo from vectra vxr for those unsure) on eBay the other week, didn't fetch it's reserve! Maybe one for the future? Or is a turbine taking the p!ss when your already using a big v6 what with all the extras that come with terbo?

Still, £400 thorney remap and you've got 300bhp & 400lbs torque!

[Steve]

Glad to see another nutter gone down the v6 route, whats the bhp of the 3.2? One of the vectra b 2.5s was 195bhp (ish) wasn't it?

How come you've gone with the f18 over the f20? they have a bit of a reputation of blowing up the diffs lol lol

[supersaloon81]

:cuckoo: :thumb: a like to see little pocket rockets

[Dirtydog1]

good on you mate, ive built a few now and they are great fun. the sound is insane! not done a 3.2 though so i bet that'l make some sound!

i have my 2.5 mk1 for sale in the forsale section if anyone fancies one ;)

[Nova_Tek]

IIRC the 3.2 V6's are something like 215 - 220BHP. Would be interesting to see if the F18/20 can take the power.

[david dixon]

Fresh ideas, I like!

There was a z28net (2.8 v6 turbo from vectra vxr for those unsure) on eBay the other week, didn't fetch it's reserve! Maybe one for the future? Or is a turbine taking the p!ss when your already using a big v6 what with all the extras that come with terbo?

Still, £400 thorney remap and you've got 300bhp & 400lbs torque!

we have already thought about turboing the 3.2 if the direct port nitrous kit doesn't get us into the 11's but i'm sure it will!

david

[david dixon]

IIRC the 3.2 V6's are something like 215 - 220BHP. Would be interesting to see if the F18/20 can take the power.

yeah thats about them, these 3.2 are very easily tuned though, remove the cats that are part of the manifolds, wind up the fuel pressure, enlarge the inlets and add a big filter and 2 exhaust systems and you'll see over 250 all day long, these engine are so restricted its unreal.
I have seen vectra's with a filter and 3.8 fuel pressure run 230-340's

david.

[Damo]

IIRC the 3.2 V6's are something like 215 - 220BHP. Would be interesting to see if the F18/20 can take the power.

Yea be good to see the f18/f20 take that amount of power there an old box now though too would he not have been better fitting something a bit newer if could have got away with it. I mean going through all that trouble fitting the newer engine into a nova just to take it back out because the box had spat its dummy out seems a bit daft but each and everyone to there own lol.

Keeping an eye on this anyway keep up the good work mate:thumb: .

Damo.

[david dixon]

Yea be good to see the f18/f20 take that amount of power there an old box now though too would he not have been better fitting something a bit newer if could have got away with it. I mean going through all that trouble fitting the newer engine into a nova just to take it back out because the box had spat its dummy out seems a bit daft but each and everyone to there own lol.

Keeping an eye on this anyway keep up the good work mate:thumb: .

Damo.

I think too many people make a issue of boxes to be honest, i have only ever had 2 boxes go on me in 15 year and they were both on turbo engines, if it goes it goes i'll fit another.
we ran the 2.5 v6 and 75 nitrous using a old f20 on the strip and it didn't flicker, its still going now.

david.

[let_nova]

the gearbox debate gets like the bigblock smallblock debate lol

[david dixon]

dont even get me started with big block/small block mate ha

david

[Damo]

I think too many people make a issue of boxes to be honest, i have only ever had 2 boxes go on me in 15 year and they were both on turbo engines, if it goes it goes i'll fit another.
we ran the 2.5 v6 and 75 nitrous using a old f20 on the strip and it didn't flicker, its still going now.

david.

Fair play david good luck to you mate this will be a monster when its done though carnt wait to see the finished article.:thumb:
Damo.

[david dixon]

cheers i'll keep it updated

david

[Adam]

Good project, shell looks solid.

LOL @ at the size of that engine sitting on the floor, facking huge lol

Be interesting see how it turns out :)

[david dixon]

i was very happy at how clean it was once we stripped it down! well clean.

david

[novaload1992]

great project

[sparkie1401]

great project in the midst!

in working nearly 7years in a salvage yard, i only remeber us seling 2 or 3 F20's 1 cavalier F18 so they arent that bad a G/Box. HOWEVER the F18 from the Vectra with the hydraulic clutch/slave cylinder set up was an epic fail and clearly made of Chocolate

[MK999]

in working nearly 7years in a salvage yard, i only remeber us seling 2 or 3 F20's 1 cavalier F18 so they arent that bad a G/Box.

F20's are obviously a more sought after box though and tend to end up in high power modified vauxhalls, not long ago there was a feature in TV of someone with a let astra who had destroyed something like 12 in 2 years.

[david dixon]

i think its each to their own, i like the f18 WR for this job, f20's are too short and have had a hard life

david

[Derick-Sport]

projects looking very promising on just the first page bud be good to see how this fairs out! :thumb:

[david dixon]

cheers mate, i'm looking forward to getting it done myself!

David.

[blue_peg_16v]

how do matey looks a nice project do you still go to york much ant been much over the past couple of years but hoping to get there a bit this year

[david dixon]

now mate, how's things?
yeah we still go, hoping to have this finished for the 1st one of this year!
get yourself down one day.

David.

[blue_peg_16v]

will be doing found a vid on you tube of phil runing the last time we ran there and it will be 3 years since in may dint realise how long it had been but had the loon off the road 18month when i let it just couldnt be arsed with it

hopefully be at the one at the end of may with phil to give the loon a good kickin

[vx kev]

Liking the look of this so far, that bay looks mint! There are still good shells out there somewhere to be found!
Glad someone else has thrown caution to the wind and is going the V6 route, plenty do's and donts from folks and non believers but its down to personal preference really :thumb:

[david dixon]

will be doing found a vid on you tube of phil runing the last time we ran there and it will be 3 years since in may dint realise how long it had been but had the loon off the road 18month when i let it just couldnt be arsed with it

hopefully be at the one at the end of may with phil to give the loon a good kickin

bloody hell thats a while back now, i didn't go for 2 year until last year when we built a 2.5 v6 and ran that thats why we moved on to a 3.2 with some extra's.

so you have a LET in the loon now then eh, whats done to that?

David.

[david dixon]

Liking the look of this so far, that bay looks mint! There are still good shells out there somewhere to be found!
Glad someone else has thrown caution to the wind and is going the V6 route, plenty do's and donts from folks and non believers but its down to personal preference really :thumb:

yeah there's still some to be found here and there, we going to have a proper go with this one, i really want 11's out of it.
yes i think you just have to do what you want when it comes to engines as long as you know what works and what doesn't on them!

David. :thumb:

[david dixon]

right we have had a change of mind, we were going to use nitrous with the engine but we decided on something else..................... :pmsl:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/z32seturbo2.jpg
we got hold of a vectra vxr engine (z28net) so decided to use the turbo and remote pipes for the 3.2, so this is where the turbo will be sitting but the intercooler will be lower down.
we going to run it at 5psi with around 10.3:1 compression but i think we'll get away with around 8 without retarding the timing, we'll see how it goes :thumb:
david.

[db_1.2]

Awsome!

[krobinson]

Good work David, will be watching this one :)

[Mazz]

ooooh, very coool :)

[Nova_Tek]

right we have had a change of mind, we were going to use nitrous with the engine but we decided on something else..................... :pmsl:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/z32seturbo2.jpg
we got hold of a vectra vxr engine (z28net) so decided to use the turbo and remote pipes for the 3.2, so this is where the turbo will be sitting but the intercooler will be lower down.
we going to run it at 5psi with around 10.3:1 compression but i think we'll get away with around 8 without retarding the timing, we'll see how it goes :thumb:
david.

This has all the right bits for an epic Nova. One question though. If you had a VXR engine why not just use that?

I know 3.2 V6 turbo sounds more impresive but surely the power output of the VXR lump would be better and it's all ready to go, so to speak.

Great build though whatever you do. :thumb:

[Jack]

Thats going to be a hell of an exhaust manifold lol

I guess the blower will only run off the front bank?

[david dixon]

This has all the right bits for an epic Nova. One question though. If you had a VXR engine why not just use that?

I know 3.2 V6 turbo sounds more impresive but surely the power output of the VXR lump would be better and it's all ready to go, so to speak.

Great build though whatever you do. :thumb:

well the reason we using this is because the 3.2's run at around 240ish with a filter, 4 bar fpr and a decent exhaust so add the turbo and slightly flowed heads it should see around 320bhp on 5 psi

david

[david dixon]

Thats going to be a hell of an exhaust manifold lol

I guess the blower will only run off the front bank?

its not a hard turbo to pipe up to be fair, we using both heads for a good flow with a remote pipes to the turbo. :thumb:

David

[Nova_Tek]

well the reason we using this is because the 3.2's run at around 240ish with a filter, 4 bar fpr and a decent exhaust so add the turbo and slightly flowed heads it should see around 320bhp on 5 psi

david

Makes sense. Keep up the good work can't wait to hear this running :thumb:

[Adam]

Bays looking cool as fook with the turbo sat there!!!
How confident are you that you'll be able run 8psi? CR sounds quite high

[Stuart]

10:1 is par for the course with turbo engines these days though....

just put the boost in later to get good results :)

[Connor]

impressive work david.
love the fact you have looked beyond the normal engine choices
never thought i would say 'have you seen the 3.2 v6 turbo'd nova' lol
Cant wait to see this finished and heading up the strip :thumb:

[alan b]

sweet! thats going to be one cool nova! could you not use some of the saab 2.5 v6 turbo bits?

[l1nuxxx]

That looks awsome mate. I was considering Turboing my C25XE but this is something else.

On the note of gearboxes I blew my F20 on sat night but I recon it was because of a lose gearbox mount causing me to miss the gear :p lol. I'm putting another F20 in it. They are fine for big bhp imo as long as they are well looked after.

[AlanH]

f18wr out of a densel astra would work better imho, thats what im using on my let

[craig green]

This project is nutts! Liking the Black btw, an overlooked colour on Novas.

Are you still using the F18 now the turbo is involved?

[david dixon]

yeah the f18 is a WR from a derv and will be good for around 178mph @6800rpm iirc, if it holds up to the added turbo is another question but i'm not a one shy of trying a couple to test it out!

David.

[david dixon]

sweet! thats going to be one cool nova! could you not use some of the saab 2.5 v6 turbo bits?

The SAAB engine is a 3.0 v6 but the turbo setup is old school and not as good as the new vectra vxr one, this runs from both heads giving an equal flow.

David.

[l1nuxxx]

Would that mean a Turbo C25XE using Sabb Parts?

What an F18 WR From?

[Jack]

lol the 3.0V6 Turbo saab engine is lower power than the N/A one!

I'd be a bit wary of the gearbox, turbos push up torque quite nicely and thats what will munch a gearbox. My V6 pushes 199lbft of torque and has eaten 3 F20s already.

[l1nuxxx]

lol the 3.0V6 Turbo saab engine is lower power than the N/A one!

I'd be a bit wary of the gearbox, turbos push up torque quite nicely and thats what will munch a gearbox. My V6 pushes 199lbft of torque and has eaten 3 F20s already.

Less Power lol.

Mines is a 2.5 V6 from a Cavalier so it's an NA. Running 3.0 Cams. What about a Turbo set up from the saab on low boost? I'm looking for about 250 bhp. Would an uprated clutch help the gearbox and better engine mounts?

[Danny s-p]

looking good look a lot difren't sinc the last time i seen it lol

[vx kev]

Quality!!!!! Thinking well out of the box with this one. Like it :thumb:

[david dixon]

Less Power lol.

Mines is a 2.5 V6 from a Cavalier so it's an NA. Running 3.0 Cams. What about a Turbo set up from the saab on low boost? I'm looking for about 250 bhp. Would an uprated clutch help the gearbox and better engine mounts?

you would get away with that, run it around 5-6 psi with your compression which i think is around 10.8:1, that should see your 250

david.

[david dixon]

looking good look a lot difren't sinc the last time i seen it lol

Danny we going to work at it the next 5 days so by the weekend it should have come along a fair bit more :thumb:

[Danny s-p]

cool i shud be over this week end for them wheel's. so all have a little look if it ok

[david dixon]

ok mate see you then

David.

[Steve]

This has taken a rather good turn, madness but its awesome!! Only thing that sounds a bit iffy is the gearbox, is there not something stronger you could use? especially if your looking for 320bhp

[muzzy]

This is very interesting, that engine doesn't even look overly big in the bay from that angle.

[david dixon]

yeah for sure, we could use a f28 or a f40, we do have a f28 sitting there but i like the idea of the longer gearing to hold that boost up longer, the worst that can happen is it'll break a box anyway, we'll just chuck another on.

David.

[david dixon]

This is very interesting, that engine doesn't even look overly big in the bay from that angle.

To be fair there isn't alot between them vaux v's and this one, gearbox face on the block is a bit different(holes out of line etc) and the timing pulleys/covers are different but generally its taken from the same block

David

[burgo]

can you get a pic of the manifold. i bet its nuts

[dj_wudgey]

this project is mad ill be watchin this one lol

[blue_peg_16v]

bloody hell thats a while back now, i didn't go for 2 year until last year when we built a 2.5 v6 and ran that thats why we moved on to a 3.2 with some extra's.

so you have a LET in the loon now then eh, whats done to that?

David.

just phase 3 bought it off phil he bought it for the yellow one rebuilt it then changed his mind

[david dixon]

sounds good, you doing any further work to it?
is phil running his this year?

David.

[david dixon]

well we've been cracking on today.......
removed the TC motor, throttle flap, welded the holes up then flowed it open by 2 mm
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/32t13.jpg

Then sorted out the lower part of the inlet manifold to match the 3.0 lower divider
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/32t.jpg

fitted calibra turbo injectors

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/32t10.jpg

We then started rubbing down and painting, first was the engine cover then the inlet manifold and lower arms

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/32t7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/32t9.jpg

and then fitting

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/32t6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/32t4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/32t2.jpg

[Steve]

lovely jubbly!!

[brucer]

looking tasty! bet you cant wait to use it.

[wwmnw]

Looks good, I like the engine colour combination too.

[blue_peg_16v]

sounds good, you doing any further work to it?
is phil running his this year?

David.

not at the moment want a new turbo but other than that im happy with it when i see what it runs then ill decide.

phils on about running his again still the same spec but hes getting into track days so isnt as bothered about york anymore

[Nova_Tek]

looks like it was shoehorned into that bay. How much room is there left?

Looks like it's home though ;)

[Danny s-p]

that look's well nice dave like the orange.

[david dixon]

looks like it was shoehorned into that bay. How much room is there left?

Looks like it's home though ;)

There's just enough room for the down pipe etc mate

david.

[david dixon]

not at the moment want a new turbo but other than that im happy with it when i see what it runs then ill decide.

phils on about running his again still the same spec but hes getting into track days so isnt as bothered about york anymore

well i hope to see you two there at some point this year

david.

[Danny s-p]

this look well cool when i seen it today really like the orange mate.

[let_nova]

looks good mate. any idea when the engine will be here?

[Dod]

So, if you're running a VXR Turbo on a 3.2 engine, what sort of management system are you going to use?

[david dixon]

looks good mate. any idea when the engine will be here?

soon as the couier gets back to me i'll let you know mate

cheers

[david dixon]

So, if you're running a VXR Turbo on a 3.2 engine, what sort of management system are you going to use?

we running the standard c25xe on 5 psi mate......well untill we find out how much boost it can run without knock then it might have the timing retarded.

david

[david dixon]

well we've been cracking on over the weekend but i didn't get round to taking pics apart from the down pipe after welding and wrapping.
We have got all the wiring finished off, turbo feed pipes welded up and wrapped along with the down pipe, fuel lines are finished off with a black top race fuel reg and gauge, high pressure in-tank pump to replace the nova SPI pump, we have fitted a set of C20LET yellow injectors which should see us ok, we are just about finished the exhaust system, we went for 3" all the way through (including silencers) until it reaches the rear where it splits to 2 x 2 & 1/8" back boxes coming out the middle.
all suspension, bearing type tie bars and poly bushing complete.

The only real things we need is;
1 meter of 3" pipe to finish the system
turbo oil feed pipes,
fittings for external oil cooler (binned the water type)
fit the innovate wideband
intercooler piping to turn up so we can fit it all up
fit shafts and brakes then refit the front end!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/Image0367.jpg

I'll try sorting some pics out later in the week
David.

[nova_saloon]

see now thats just silly!






but thats what we like to see *thumbs up*

[david dixon]

it is a bit sill to be fair but i love it ha ha

[The Simps]

You make it all sound so easy.

[david dixon]

You make it all sound so easy.

I guess i know nova's so well now that its all done easy enough!

David.

[MK999]

You make it all sound so easy.

This is worrying coming from the guy putting half a 924 in a saloon lol

[The Simps]

This is worrying coming from the guy putting half a 924 in a saloon lol


Oh yeah! I'd forgotton I'm still building that old thing! lol


I know what you mean Dave, after a while a nova is just like your first box of lego when you were a kid.

[MK999]

Oh yeah! I'd forgotton I'm still building that old thing! lol


I know what you mean Dave, after a while a nova is just like your first box of lego when you were a kid.

Amount of times I've thought "hmm, that bolt, oh yeah 10mm socket" I'd have to agree lol

[dj_wudgey]

yea its true when you worked on them for so long they do get like it you just know what goe's where lol

[Dod]

Dave, have you had problems with the VSS? I'm told it runs by picking up the pulses from the ABS rings on the drives?

[david dixon]

never messed about with it tbh mate

david

[david dixon]

well its about ready to run, should fire tomorrow i think although we still waiting for the intercooler piping to finish it.

We made up some oil cooler pipes and turbo oil feed pipes, thats now all finished too, all wiring and fueling completed, 3" downpipe onto a 3" exhaust system into 2x 2-1/8" back boxes

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/novav6t4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/novav6t3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/novav6t5.jpg

[vx kev]

EPIC, top project :thumb:
You've prob got this in mind already but turbo's obviously give off a hell of a lot of heat, some of the wiring in the pic looks quite close so are you going to shield it?

[david dixon]

yeah we've already thought about that one, we have some heat shield from a vectra vxr so we'll make it fit :thumb:

David.

[vx kev]

yeah we've already thought about that one, we have some heat shield from a vectra vxr so we'll make it fit :thumb:

David.

Spot on, thats what i like to hear! "We'll make it fit" :thumb:

[Danny s-p]

look better in the flesh mate all be back to help your brother tomorrow hop to hear it lol

[david dixon]

i hope to hear it too danny ha ha

[Danny s-p]

V6 burble mmmmmm lol

[Adam]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/novav6t4.jpg

FCUK ME! That brings a new meaning to a rammed engine bay lol

Great work making all that fit!

[Sloth]

i like the fact it was nordic blue.....

[david dixon]

cheers adam

[david dixon]

i like the fact it was nordic blue.....

it probably still will be for a month or so of being on the road until it goes black

David.

[discoinferno]

nordic blue is the way forward

[Sloth]

+rep if you keep it nordic....

[david dixon]

its a nice colour i must admit but we like the all black look too!

David.

[david dixon]

+rep if you keep it nordic....

Sorry mate i'm not keen on rep anyway ;)

David.

[The Simps]

Love it. Awesome project.

[l1nuxxx]

Will there possibly be a wee video of it running lol?

[david dixon]

Will there possibly be a wee video of it running lol?

Yeah possibly, should fire today i think!

David.

[Benn]

Awesome project dude.

[david dixon]

Cheers Benn.

[auzzy-b]

that looks wiked! how fast is this goin to be:eek:

[david dixon]

well i'm hoping it'll see 11's

David.

[sparkie1401]

epic amounts of WIN, liking this and will be keeping my beady eyes on it, nice colour scheme, my mates 350Z has an orange engine theme
!

that turbo looks mahooooooooooosive :eek:

[Sloth]

not to pi$$on yer parade, but have you worked out your c/r ? and factore in your a/r of the turbo and how much boost your running?

[burgo]

not to pi$$on yer parade, but have you worked out your c/r ? and factore in your a/r of the turbo and how much boost your running?read the thread fool. and do abit of research into who david dixon is

[Sloth]

i asked a question. i have read the thread, and i dont know who he is, so stop jumping on me. jesus.

[burgo]

if you had read the thread you would have the answer to your questions and i know you dont know who he is hence why i said do abit of research :s

[Sloth]

why does who he is matter. how about the o.p answers the question? not bloody hard is it?

[burgo]

if you knew who he was you wouldnt be asking!!

[let_nova]

but he doesnt know, hence the question FFS

[david dixon]

the compression is around 10:1.1 and we are using a wideband a/f meter,
we are going to run it at around 5 psi until we can get a chance to check to see the amount of boost we can run until det.

Cheers David

[Adam]

not to pi$$on yer parade, but have you worked out your c/r ? and factore in your a/r of the turbo and how much boost your running?
V6's seem to work fine with low boost and NA C/R's..

[Sloth]

cheers dave, that makes sense.

[david dixon]

the 2.6 and 3.2 compression is only 10:0.1 so this also helps, the 2.5 and 3.0 are higher so you wouldn't get as much boost pressure without running into det earlier on.

David.

[Danny s-p]

did you get it started dave never came over to day as i was up all night ill

[Gaz1300SR]

Nice project, makes an xe look rather boring! lol

[l1nuxxx]

Right I think it's time to turbo my V6. Just got a 10k loan and have some spare so i'm going to start my research. Would like to keep the C25XE but can they take boost well. I'm looking for between 250bhp and 300bhp. I take it yours is still FWD? How are you keeping it on the road?

[david dixon]

Right I think it's time to turbo my V6. Just got a 10k loan and have some spare so i'm going to start my research. Would like to keep the C25XE but can they take boost well. I'm looking for between 250bhp and 300bhp. I take it yours is still FWD? How are you keeping it on the road?

Get yourself a SAAB 2.5 v6 (same but not) SAAB 3.0 inlet manifold and turbo etc or vectra vxr, yeah fwd is the way to go. we will be running it on the road too.

David.

[david dixon]

did you get it started dave never came over to day as i was up all night ill

no mate its got a engine wiring loom problem i think, we going to try another but otherwise it would be running :thumb:

[MK999]

Think he meant how are you planning to keep it on the black stuff shiny side up lol

[Danny s-p]

no mate its got a engine wiring loom problem i think, we going to try another but otherwise it would be running :thumb:good and the loon gone now some jipo's took it this morning . do you no wat the problem is or will it be a trill and ewer to fined out wat it is

[david dixon]

good and the loon gone now some jipo's took it this morning . do you no wat the problem is or will it be a trill and ewer to fined out wat it is

We have just looked again and have found the problem, some cheeky F**ker has sold us a immobiliser loom (saying it was a redtop) which isnt the same so we've sorted most of it out now, just need more voltage to the pump and it'll run :thumb:

[Sloth]

1 word: vids!

[blue_peg_16v]

awsome dave and sloth go to york next weekend no need for vids then

[david dixon]

we'll be working as much as we can to get it there, it wont be 100% if it does though but we'll see.

David.

[Sloth]

wut? thread in club yer?

[david dixon]

yeah mate

[Dod]

I also like the idea of the V6 Turbo, hense me following this thread closely. Well done mate, fantastic work.

[dj_wudgey]

1 word: vids!

im with sloth we need to see this working lol

[Southie]

David is this still being run bank holiday Monday? Looking forward to seeing it nuke some tarmac. :d :cool:

[dj_wudgey]

im guna miss it aswell gutted!!! well vids vids vids lol

[Danny s-p]

We have just looked again and have found the problem, some cheeky F**ker has sold us a immobiliser loom (saying it was a redtop) which isnt the same so we've sorted most of it out now, just need more voltage to the pump and it'll run :thumb:good so you think it will get to york then wish i cud of got down to see it run.

[david dixon]

well we awaiting on silicone pipes mate, it'll run soon as i get a min but can't complete it until the company gets its finger out and send us the pipes

david.

[david dixon]

David is this still being run bank holiday Monday? Looking forward to seeing it nuke some tarmac. :d :cool:

I am hoping so mate, just waiting for a few silicone pipes to turn up :(

David.

[david dixon]

well its alive even though there isn't any boost pipes on, the afm isn't properly connected, no tank vent valve or lambda but it ticks over on its own.
This is first fire up!!! sounds good to me.

David.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/th_Video0001.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/?action=view&current=Video0001.flv)

[Damo]

Sounds good that david keep it up mate.:thumb:

[Southie]

Does sound good indeed :cool:

[Danny s-p]

WOW have you got the pipes yet dave

[david dixon]

only some of them have turned up so we might have to bodge it together just to get it to york and then sort it out when its home again!
sounds nice enough though!

[Danny s-p]

only some of them have turned up so we might have to bodge it together just to get it to york and then sort it out when its home again!
sounds nice enough though!year it dose it will sound even nicer on the road going to york lol

[david dixon]

ha ha i hope so, fingers crossed everything is done and taxed in time mate!

[Danny s-p]

ha ha i hope so, fingers crossed everything is done and taxed in time mate!think all be over on the week end to see uses on the Friday or Saturday any way all see how nice it all is then lol

[david dixon]

ok mate no problem!

[l1nuxxx]

Sounds good mate found a donor engine and box plus a free calibra v6 leather interior for £300 today so I'm gonna start my C25XE Turbo build soon. Was thinking of selling up but I think I will regret it.

Yours is ace tho :thumb:
Let me know when you have some V6 mounts available :)

[david dixon]

cheers mate, i'll let you know.
I will also keep an eye on your thread!

David.

[dj_wudgey]

you had this started yet?

[wwmnw]

you had this started yet?

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1521236&postcount=183

[david dixon]

yes mate have a look on the previous page!

David.

[dj_wudgey]

nice mate!

[Gareth_C]

ha ha i hope so, fingers crossed everything is done and taxed in time mate!

Get your finger out then your skin is waterproof lol.

[robertdevlin69]

first time ive come across this,im amazed,excellent project and the best of luck with it down the strip

[david dixon]

Thanks mate

David.

[david dixon]

Well the front end is finished, only have to finish the bumper then fit it along with the grill! it'll be on its wheels tomorrow and hopfully ready to roll!
There is only one main thing we are missing, a 6" length of 3" diameter silicone hose, its stopping us getting on but we'll find something.
Exhaust is complete with wideband and lambda.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/nova32v6t.jpg

[Southie]

Looks ready for battle, top work on the fast progress on this David :thumb:

[dj_wudgey]

nice mate its coming together well!

[Danny s-p]

did you get it running on boost after i left mate

[david dixon]

no mate we in seek of that short bit of pipe today then it'll be sorted!

[Gareth_C]

no mate we in seek of that short bit of pipe today then it'll be sorted!

Was that you I just heard revving the car :confused:

[Danny s-p]

i hop so or and hi newbie lol

[Gareth_C]

i hop so or and hi newbie lol

Cheeky git I have been playing with cars long before you were selling milky bars lol

[Danny s-p]

pmsl lol

[david dixon]

Was that you I just heard revving the car :confused:

yeah, did it sound like thunder to you too??? lol

[Gareth_C]

yeah, did it sound like thunder to you too??? lol

Na it sounded like a 1.2 8v with a blown exhaust lol

[dj_wudgey]

Na it sounded like a 1.2 8v with a blown exhaust lol

lol!!!! we need more pics and vids off this beast going lol

[Spudly]

lol!!!! we need more pics and vids off this beast going lol



Go to york tomorrow and you will see it ya puddin, thats if the boost pipes tip up which im still keeping my fingers crossed for:thumb:

[david dixon]

well its finished and been out on the road but i'm not happy enough to take it tomorrow, yeah things to need finishing but that could have waited a while but our wideband is faulty so we can not set it up!! which i'm a bit sick about cause it would have been at york raceway tomorrow even if it was only 5 psi!
it seems to pull well enough but the fuel does need to be sorted, hopefully we can get the wideband sorted out soon.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/nova32v6t4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v84/nova-turbo/Nova%20v6%20z32se/nova32v6t3.jpg

[dj_wudgey]

that looks f*cking mental!!

[CrAzY_kAyLL]

i've just made a big mess in my pants :d

[Adam]

Why is the air flow meter not on the compressor intake piping???

Looks fcuking nuts btw!!

[david dixon]

Why is the air flow meter not on the compressor intake piping???

Looks fcuking nuts btw!!

Because there's no room lol

David

[Adam]

But youve got it in the boost pipe? So its not measuring how much air is going into the engine.....?

[Cle]

:eek::eek::eek: insane :thumb:

[david dixon]

But youve got it in the boost pipe? So its not measuring how much air is going into the engine.....?

Thats what it is doing mate, its measuring the air at the TB! The same thing has been done a few times with LET engine running on phase 4, but even if it doesn't read 100% in wont matter as its going to be running with a wideband so we'll sort the fueling out!

David

[Adam]

The air at the tb is now pressurised though, whereas on the compressor intake it isnt.....
Ive never seen it done like that, but if it works, it works... :)

[MK999]

The air at the tb is now pressurised though, whereas on the compressor intake it isnt.....
Ive never seen it done like that, but if it works, it works... :)

Will probably need fine tuning but pressurised air is denser air too, higher cooling capacity for hot wire, and more grunt for opening vane types.

[david dixon]

well its running ok and ticks over ok but i guess we'll see when we get it up the boost a little, i already have issues with v6 afm's anyway! they only read about 560gh mm of air and then switch off but i guess so does there lambda after around 30deg throttle so its all down to the wideband i think.

David

[brucer]

looks awesome.

with the MAF positoned where it is, isnt there a fair chance the internals might break and force them into the engine? also the air temps will be different for fueling, but as you said you can alter the fueling so aslong as your happy.:thumb:

edit: doh, posted too late.

[david dixon]

running low boost shouldn't see high temps and the v6's have an Air Temp Sensor also the front mount should see it cool enough!

David

[l1nuxxx]

I don't know if you already posted this but what management are you running?

[Danny s-p]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: it not come to york looking fook sweet tho dave

[david dixon]

I don't know if you already posted this but what management are you running?

its standard mate, it doesn't need to be changed as its only low pressure.

David

[david dixon]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: it not come to york looking fook sweet tho dave

Next time mate, all sorted! :thumb:

[Sloth]

dave, have a look at nissan 300zx twin turbo afm's they run to 900gh mm iirc

[david dixon]

dave, have a look at nissan 300zx twin turbo afm's they run to 900gh mm iirc

Do you know if they are the same size? its just if its not it'll send a incorrect signal to the ecu! i'll have a look into those anyway :thumb:

David

[Danny s-p]

Next time mate, all sorted! :thumb:good good :thumb::thumb:

[wwmnw]

Na it sounded like a 1.2 8v with a blown exhaust lol

Kinda like mine then lol

[Balley]

But youve got it in the boost pipe? So its not measuring how much air is going into the engine.....?

Adam , if you think about it the air ging through the meter is at the same speed as the air going through the turbo (as long as the pipe is the same size diameter)

Just one will be pulled (vaccum side) and one will be boost side,... but from the AMM point of view its still air beeing pulled through in one direction.


BTW looks brilliant!

[brucer]

Adam , if you think about it the air ging through the meter is at the same speed as the air going through the turbo (as long as the pipe is the same size diameter)

Just one will be pulled (vaccum side) and one will be boost side,... but from the AMM point of view its still air beeing pulled through in one direction.


BTW looks brilliant!

that is correct but the hot wire ,is as suggested, heated up so when the air passes across it, it gets cooled down. the ecu then has to determine how much difference in resistance there is between how it normally reads and what it is now.

the point i was making before was that the signal will be between 0-5v. if it was placed before the IC then the air temps across it will be what they should be, after the IC they'll still be higher than the normal air temps. if he hadnt any other way of changing the fueling and was on standard managment then this would make the engine suffer. this being the air is cooler before the IC, meaning the wire would get cooler and show it needs more fuel as theres lots of air going through. after the IC the hot wire wont be cooling as much and might not produce enough fuel as its not showing its cooled down.

but this wont affect how he's doing things.

[discoinferno]

good project this should be quick :)

[dj_wudgey]

get this to pv lol it looks so evil in those pics i cant wait to see it go!!

[maddogdaz666]

did you go to york? i was gonna go but i was still suffering from a massive bankholiday hangover. Bad times

[david dixon]

i didn't take it mate, its not running 100% so i didn't want to run it and the weather wasn't its best!

David.

[dj_wudgey]

i didn't take it mate, its not running 100% so i didn't want to run it and the weather wasn't its best!

David.

and youd need decent wether as it will suffer from a loss off traction by the looks off things fpmsl!!

[bikerboi]

any progress on this one? or are you pre-occupied with other projects??

[david dixon]

yeah its on the back burner for a bit, been working on the white v6 nova and my red one mate