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im sure its been covered a million times but i havent seen it so.. your thoughts please gentlemen. i know youve got the obvious weight at the front issue and its a lot more costly to tune a smallblock by all accounts. Thing is ive got a half prepped track shell and a nice mint f reg, two c20xe's and a shed load of new parts but until i decide what im doing with both of them its hard to make a start, help please!:thumb:
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let_nova
11-02-10, 07:07 PM
as above. not a good idea lol
why
3 pages time you'll see why :cool:
if you have the 20xe then use it .
Use the search button this has been covered over and over and over
if you have the 20xe then use it .
Use the search button this has been covered over and over and over
to be fair mate, im sure everything has been covered on this site to do with the nova, so if everyone was just to search old posts there'd be no new ones:thumb: , plus i like a bit of banter and im bored at work so why not, i was just hoping for a few pros and cons tis all!;)
puss puss
11-02-10, 07:16 PM
big block big balls :)
scott.parker
11-02-10, 07:17 PM
small block vs ig block
Whats a ig block??
General Baxter
11-02-10, 07:18 PM
Whats a ig block??
V6 lol
Meh fúck you all! VTec wins everytime lol lol lol
16v Nova Kev
11-02-10, 07:20 PM
i dont like ig blocks lol
Meh fúck you all! VTec wins everytime lol lol lol
Vtec can be good, but the rest of the car lets it down.
seems ive touched a nerve, so big and small block is the divide between nova enthusiasts, ,ike the wall to the germans, so where will i stand if i have 1 of each?lol, still cant see where it says" ig block"?
scott.parker
11-02-10, 07:36 PM
seems ive touched a nerve, so big and small block is the divide between nova enthusiasts, ,ike the wall to the germans, so where will i stand if i have 1 of each?lol, still cant see where it says" ig block"?
It's been edited, and as for having both, go for it i do.. :cool:
whats a good smallblock to start with? gsi engine or 1.4sr or 1.2? i know nothing of these engines so what seems to be a popular choice? i want to build one car as a show car and one for track, if it seems i dont know what im talking about its because i dont, new to car scene but you got to start somewhere, any help appreciated.
dhdev (Oli)
11-02-10, 07:48 PM
Big block, small blocks are for pussies. Anyone want to buy a C16XE?
Big block, small blocks are for pussies. Anyone want to buy a C16XE?
Quoted for future ref.
lol lol lol lol
dhdev (Oli)
11-02-10, 07:49 PM
lol
Close thread
Ummm, Adam, you actually need to click the button that says 'close thread' it doesnt work like the latest version of msn and respond to written commands :p
lol
scott.parker
11-02-10, 07:51 PM
Again that's a split in what engines good for track etc, but i would say, as it's cheap to buy bog standard XE and drop into a nova and get reliable 150BHP that's good for the road or track if set up correctly with good suspension etc.
BUT you could also find the same from E/C16se 1.6 8v GSi/GTE engine, but to rival the XE (2ltr 16v) you would need to spend allot of money tuning the engine, and get some very good suspension again.
Scott
Southie
11-02-10, 07:52 PM
New Kids on the Block.
scott.parker
11-02-10, 07:53 PM
Big block, small blocks are for pussies. Anyone want to buy a C16XE?
lol But to be fair mate your car was very quick and handled extremely well! but did cost allot to build to the spec. ;)
Ummm, Adam, you actually need to click the button that says 'close thread' it doesnt work like the latest version of msn and respond to written commands :p
lol
I knew i had forgotten to do something :cry:
Count Vaux Alot
11-02-10, 08:02 PM
Big block, small blocks are for pussies. Anyone want to buy a C16XE?
Were the funk did you come from??? I thought you were dead! lol
Each has its advantages and disadvantages its all personal preference imo
Big block = small mind.... :roll:
As soon as someone mentioned a small block/big block debate his ears started burning lol
Pick of the small blocks IMO are 16XE & E16 motors.
Used to love giving mine death down the lanes, airtime, 2 wheel corners & all that melarky. Good fun tbh. Still got some of the best videos on an old phone of them days :)
wilson_sri
11-02-10, 08:26 PM
My wee e16 turbo was great fun to drive. But still prefer a LET for balls out fun!!
My wee e16 turbo was great fun to drive. But still prefer a LET for balls out fun!!
Thats the thing aint it really, depends what you want really.
Used to love ranting my 1600 down lanes an that, but it wasnt half as much fun in my mates 328 BMW. Where as on the motorway, he easily overtake me once i get to a tonne.
wilson_sri
11-02-10, 08:30 PM
Thats the thing aint it really, depends what you want really.
Used to love ranting my 1600 down lanes an that, but it wasnt half as much fun in my mates 328 BMW. Where as on the motorway, he easily overtake me once i get to a tonne.
To be honest. I actually enjoyed driving my standard gsi than after i built it into the turbo! lol
vauxluva
11-02-10, 08:30 PM
Old school 8v for me.Maybee not the best but twin 40,s 4 branch nice fast road cam no fuss just old school daily driver!
To be honest. I actually enjoyed driving my standard gsi than after i built it into the turbo! lol
Pushing a completly standard nippy car to its limits is loads of fun tho :) understeer galore, over cooked brakes, bouncy edge of seat ride an all that.
wilson_sri
11-02-10, 08:33 PM
Pushing a completly standard nippy car to its limits is loads of fun tho :) understeer galore, over cooked brakes, bouncy edge of seat ride an all that.
Think it was more the fact i wasnt scared of damaging it before, but was petrified of even getting a stone chip once i had rebuilt it :(
Turbo stall was always entertaining though :thumb:
Once your past the stage of fearing of stacking it, pushing hard really is loads of fun, standard or not, big motor or small.
General concensus is if your up for back roads get a small block, if want some worth while Pod times an a decent whack of top end big block motor is your mate.
Pistol Pete
11-02-10, 08:37 PM
Age old debate really....
All comes down to personal preference IMO. I chose to go big block as i had ranted my little 1400 8v and wanted more. Thinking about it, if i had known at the time of commencing my rebuild, what i know now.. i probably would have gone the balls out 1600 16v route. As i reckon that would give the best of both. Power and not too much weight that it handles odd.
But then again Ernie took me out in his XE track car and i stuck like sh*t to a blanket.
Count Vaux Alot
11-02-10, 08:43 PM
But then again Ernie took me out in his XE track car and i stuck like sh*t to a blanket.
So did Ollys car that was such great fun to have a ride in :d
Pistol Pete
11-02-10, 08:45 PM
I watched the vid of Olly going round (cant remember the track! They have a BSB meet there, thin track on a hill side!) looked very well planted!
Count Vaux Alot
11-02-10, 08:47 PM
Cadwell park?
Handling wise there is a MASSIVE difference IMO not even comparable if the cars are setup well.
Cost wise you don't need that deep pockets to obtain 200hp from a 20xe where as a 16xe will be 7k upwards for a package not including a gearbox. Were talking a genuine 200hp as well, not the usual rubbish and this can be 10k or more to do correctly with reliabilty in mind.
Olz's car handled well for a xe, still needed playing with but can't deny it was quick point to point and the engine was a stock lump with nigh on bolt on goodies so cost wise it was a bloody monster which IS exactly why people prefer to go down that route.
Count Vaux Alot
11-02-10, 08:56 PM
Handling wise there is a MASSIVE difference IMO not even comparable if the cars are setup well.
Cost wise you don't need that deep pockets to obtain 200hp from a 20xe where as a 16xe will be 7k upwards for a package not including a gearbox. Were talking a genuine 200hp as well, not the usual rubbish and this can be 10k or more to do correctly with reliabilty in mind.
Olz's car handled well for a xe, still needed playing with but can't deny it was quick point to point and the engine was a stock lump with nigh on bolt on goodies so cost wise it was a bloody monster which IS exactly why people prefer to go down that route.
As usual JB well said and i agree.
Thanks mate and thanks for the text !
get a 13N...and tune that :P
craig green
11-02-10, 10:16 PM
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn280/rustumaz/yawning.jpg
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id tap that lol
1l pushrod is where its at
smcgsi16v
11-02-10, 10:22 PM
Big block = small mind
I like this.......
altho there is a good chance that I will be a convert next year.
1.0 12v hairdryer for me. Unbeatable.
craig green
11-02-10, 10:22 PM
She's yawning, not signalling for you to tap her teeth!
As for the engine debate, XE's are fine on track & as for the most affordable conversion for smiles per mile, but I find on the road (between white lines) they do feel clumsy & less accurate to hussle through corners. You would have to be utterly biased not to admit there isnt a large difference in feel. I like Novas for the way they drive, not build quality or status, so to put in a Big block & ruin the handling trait is just a no brainer for me, but I do agree in most cases an XE Nova is what most people crave. Balls out fun.
craig green
11-02-10, 10:25 PM
VTEC all the way.
Its ok, i'm here, the arguement can begin properly now :)
VTEC all the way.
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Its ok, i'm here, the arguement can begin properly now :)
Why, got some high quality rods to show us? lol
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i see:roll: , should have just kept it to myself, after that discussion i think ill stick with the 2 xe's i got a tune one up and bring the other one back to life with a lick of paint and very small rebuild:thumb:
Trackdaynova's old xe was basically a SBD208 kit, AST1612 cams and a Ashley manifold and that was 197hp, would of probably made over 200 on a good manifold but for the money it was a great package and the engine itself had done some miles before it had all that bolted to it !
Saying all that I loved my xe nova, for a stock xe that motor flew, just lacked the rawness a set of tb's give them but done what it needed to and was uber reliable as a daily driver and weekend track toy.
craig green
12-02-10, 12:04 AM
Saying all that I loved my xe nova, for a stock xe that motor flew, just lacked the rawness a set of tb's give them but done what it needed to and was uber reliable as a daily driver and weekend track toy.
Reading it like that just makes me need to add, the XE's best home is an Astra GTE. Awesome car's with a decent suspension & wheel/tyre upgrade.
Too right Craig, a big block belongs in the car it was designed to be in but it is a cheap conversion.
Lets face it though there may be a few hundred xe novas out there but how many of them are actually any good !
Good ones aren't a bad package but handling IS affected by them and you simply can't do much about that
dhdev (Oli)
12-02-10, 01:09 AM
Were the funk did you come from??? I thought you were dead! lol
Adam was right, as soon as someone mentions smallblock/bigblock, weight saving or FG panels I'm here!
I've been keeping myself busy with this and that, might do a little thread with this years plans ;)
Count Vaux Alot
12-02-10, 05:32 PM
Adam was right, as soon as someone mentions smallblock/bigblock, weight saving or FG panels I'm here!
I've been keeping myself busy with this and that, might do a little thread with this years plans ;)
Come on then......
Adam was right, as soon as someone mentions smallblock/bigblock, weight saving or FG panels I'm here!
I've been keeping myself busy with this and that, might do a little thread with this years plans ;)
You missed the one about the uber cheap supplier that does doors lol
Just to add whats already been said the big block motors are a bit weighty in the front of a nova without a good suspension setup. Spend some pennys on suspension and you will gain big rewards as they make an awesome motor with an xe bolted in.
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