My BTCC inspired Nissan Primera build

[L14MNP]

Right, I may as well add a WIP for my car on here. A couple of you have asked if had one in the past and there is a few non Nova builds on here ATM so I will join in Lol. Plus it gives me a better place to ask any questions I have.

The plan is to make a fast road/occasional track day car with a slight resemblance to the kick ar$e Super Tourers of the 90's.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2570/3694570406_0408a30e2d.jpg
Bear with me whilst I bring you up to speed...

I have owned the car since 2001 when it was purchased from the original keeper as a totally standard 1600cc Si model. The car has had various minor modifications over the years, better spec parts, engine transplants etc.
I sourced a CF ex-works splitter and some Raceline RL7's with the intention of making an ST replica, but after running into roll cage manufacturing issues I changed my mind.
I then aquired a late model [P11-144)] rear end (boot, bumper, lights) smoothed over those panels and did the same to a P11-GT front bumper and numerous other modifications.
Not to mention an amazing KISH retrim - I need to sell this now!
I then made the mistake of sending the car to be painted at Mel Horn (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/place?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=mel+horn+bodyshop&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=mel+horn+bodyshop&hnear=England&cid=10753142117658655690) bodyshop, the car came out the wrong colour [despite me supplying a correct paint code only to be told it was incorrect] and overall it was a poor job. It came back painted in Aston Martin Tungsten silver not Titanium silver FFS.

Avoid this bodger at all costs!

For numerous reasons (and other projects) I lost interest in the car so it sat in the garage for who knows how long.

Not long ago I decided to sell all of my flushed panels, s/s exhaust, SQ audio etc etc as I no longer have any interest in that stuff and think it can look a bit naff plus I don't want to be associated with the euro boys lol.

That's about it so far for this car. I have condensed this essay as no doubt you, like I don't want to hear it lol. L14 MNP has been off the road for over 5 years now. Terrible for a car built in 1998!

I only stick with this car as it was my first I guess.
At least it gives me a very clean base to do what I intended to do from the start, build a fun and capable Nissan Primera.

Here's a quick few pics of the boring crap.

First guise
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/ma03_8.jpg?t=1265661171
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/wa04_5-1.jpg?t=1265661686
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/ma03_12.jpg
The way it nearly seen the road (this was all done around 4 years ago)
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/bonnetup.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/DSC000821-1.jpg?t=1265660840
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/p11backroad.jpg?t=1265660938
Can see my old 14 SR in this pic.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/DSC07823.jpg?t=1265661738
Smoothed the bay
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture006-2.jpg?t=1265662032
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture036.jpg?t=1265662076
Removed all underseal from floorpans, arches etc.

So all of that stuff was sacked off, I only really kept the wheels, suspension and brakes
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/DSC00121-1.jpg?t=1265661078
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/d2-1-1-1.jpg?t=1265661457

[L14MNP]

Right, on to the more present stuff.

I attempted to put the bonnet back to standard as it was a brand new OEM part. I removed the plates welded in to flush it but there was too much damage done for it to ever look right. So in the bin it went.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture030.jpg
I have bought another ex-works carbon fibre downforce splitter, this is better than the one I originally had as it’s the later design.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/DSC09849.jpg?t=1265662767
The bumper is crap and ruined though so that’s for the bin.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture028-2.jpg?t=1265662695
An ex-works downforce spoiler, unfortunately from a 96-00 Mondeo, but better than nothing for now.

A mate of mine also collected a couple of brand new OEM wings for me and is going to cut them higher and flare them out.

Aero catches for boot and bonnet
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture024-2.jpg?t=1265662905
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture016-4.jpg

Made some polycarb side windows, will get a new ex-works rear screen and (possibly) the front.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture007-6.jpg?t=1265662978

Hollowed out the doors, side impact bars etc add up to a noticeable weight, and the boot
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture003-2.jpg?t=1265663099
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture006-3.jpg?t=1265663131
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture031.jpg?t=1265663158

I had previously extended and slimmed down the main engine bay – interior loom as I intended to do a wire tuck and still do. Done the same with the dash door looms (now not needed) and interior loom
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture007-3.jpg?t=1265663259

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture014-3.jpg?t=1265663331
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture013-2.jpg?t=1265663296

Some of what came out.

I don’t seem to have pics of everything though :tard:

[L14MNP]

Some further weight saving. Rear seat supports and fixed parcel shelf removed. Seat rails, sound deadening and all other brackets binned too.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture001.jpg?t=1265663414
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture015-3.jpg?t=1265663606
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture018-1.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture004.jpg?t=1265663572


http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture008-1.jpg?t=1265663517
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture005.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture064.jpg?t=1265663669
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture022-1.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture026-1.jpg
Fitted single wiper from a ZX.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture027-3.jpg?t=1265663724
New front panel with removable slam.

Apologies for the jumbled up order. I'm copying this from word and another forum. I think that's about it for the older stuff, or all I CBA with.

I will write up a fresh post now with what's been happening lately.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Interesting project - have some rep

[vaughanmc]

Will be a very cool car when it's done :thumb:

[Plug]

yes hopping to see it sat on its ass :)

[L14MNP]

Right. I decided I wanted to slam the car so if it ever sees a track or a nice road then it is cabable of running low and hopefully generating some true downforce to aid the handling.

I cut out the rear inner arch (only done one side for now due to space etc)
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/SP_A0713-1.jpg
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/SP_A0791-1.jpg?t=1265665209

The door shut area also needs to be cut out as can be seen in my expertly marked pics. lol I didn't do this at first
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/SP_A0717-1-1.jpg?t=1265665330
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/SP_A0716-1-1.jpg?t=1265665357

I then lowered the car down to see where it caught. I already had a good idea from studying some RML works car build pics.

My panhard rod on the rear beam maxed out and hit the floor as did the trailing arms, with the tyre still clear of the door area as marked above.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/beamold-1.jpg?t=1265666959
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/armold-1.jpg?t=1265667443
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/SP_A0802-1.jpg?t=1265666122
The height in those pics from sill to ground was 3.5". Standard is 7"

The decision was made to redesign the beam. Making it width and camber adjustable, with a slimmer adjustable panhard and trailing arms.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/untitled.jpg?t=1265665727
The standard set up

I had already cut and remove a section of the half tube and bent the beam and rewelded it for camber.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/Photo-0409.jpg?t=1265667361
This bodge had to go lol.

I am making a mk1 Fiesta style setup out of one single tube cut into two that can bolt together with spacer plates, like this.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/Random/mk1fiestaadjustablebeam.jpg?t=1265665810

The original design of my beam, incorporates a full and half tube design, making it a tw4t to make adjustable, and the trailing arms were too big.
http://s895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/?action=view&current=PICT1219.jpg
For the bin.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1219-1.jpg?t=1265711879
The new beam taking shape
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/beamnew-1.jpg?t=1265667034

[Benn]

Very cool,

[Edd]

Fair play looks like you've been very busy.

[L14MNP]

http://s895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/?action=view&current=PICT1216.jpg
The original small tube has been retained for strength and will be welded to the centre plates when I cut it in half.

Cut off the strut tops and fitted the strut to the beam then bolted strut top back on and tacked in place to see how high new strut towers would be (already measure obviously lol)
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1257-1.jpg?t=1265667631
Old tower height and new.

Door shut area cut out, so no more rubbing! There has been so many skins removed to get the arches to this stage lol!
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1250.jpg?t=1265666538

Next step is to remake the strut towers and then see where the trailing arms can go.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1238-1.jpg?t=1265667853
I had a little look at the front. To see what's in store for me. Looks like fun :roll: lol


That's it for now. I've missed a fair amount out, such as a missing boot floor lol but I'm sure you get the idea. Apologies for the non Nova content - but you know I still love them! :thumb: lol

[peester]

ooh mommy..

[Count Vaux Alot]

Some of those pics make my mind hurt trying to work out wtf i'm looking at lol some good progress though - take some less fuzzy pics

[L14MNP]

lol. peester. At least this one will no longer be a mommys car mate!

Very cool,
Cheers mate :)

Fair play looks like you've been very busy.
Aye Edd. I feel like Leepu but I have a passport lol

Interesting project - have some rep
Cheers James. :) Apologies for the pics too, like I say a lot that was just lashed up. I can tidy it up more when it's not making my head spin. I think the reason they are blurry and sh!t quality is cos my cams/phones don't last me 5 minutes lol

Will be a very cool car when it's done :thumb:
Thanks for that mate. I've always wanted to do this. Hopefully all will be well lol

yes hopping to see it sat on its ass :)
I can assure you that you will mate. :thumb:

I know it can't drive on the roads as low as I am building it to go, but it should still be about where I want it. :)

Thanks to Mickie and Ronnie too, not that they use this place. lol

[Saloony]

What i want to know is... have you cut the grass since them early pics?

[novacabrio]

nice project!

[Bubba]

holy mother of god......should have been a cav ;)

[blue_peg_16v]

nice

[L14MNP]

lol Saloony, it's nice and muddy now from walking over it to get to the garage. This is not the time of year for horticulture.

Cheers Mr Cabby :) and Bubba, the Primeras used to clean up in 98/99 and I used to use them on the Toca games way back when lol.

The Cavs did look very cool, and the early 90's stuff is so much less developed than the last of the multi million pound R&D machines. So easier to 'replicate' They're just something else.
Do a Cav replica, I seen the front splitter and a set of doors for sale a bit ago. :thumb:

If you do, don't drop it on springs and a set of 17's with works stickers and that's it. IMO that's the first thing people think of when you say Touring car rep. lol Not good!

[Iain]

Good to see you've got some motivation back, rear tubs shouldn't take you long now! Are you still planning to cut out the bodywork so you can see the full wheel or leave it tucked inside the arch?

[callums]

ace project i run a primera gt track car and have done for the last dew years one of the most reliable cars and and they suprise a few folks to ....top work

[L14MNP]

Will have to leave them tucked Iain, otherwise if I cut the arch out with the car on the deck and need to raise it it will leave me with arch gaps lol. It may be possible to trim them a little, but then I don't really see the point.

Cheers peg and callums :)

You got any pics/spec of your GT dude? I would imagine it would be pretty decent on track, can't knock their handling - just hope mines still OK after all this lol. Are you on NPOC at all?

[callums]

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/rsrich/taxi%201/8K9U5388.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/rsrich/taxi%201/8K9U4294.jpg
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/rsrich/taxi%201/8K9U3586.jpg
its stripped ,just some springs ,15 inch gt wheels 888 to bucket seats standard exhaust rolling roaded 168 bhp 5000 track miles doing le mann this year awesome handling out the box bullet proof.
soory for hijacking your thread

[craig green]

Cool project. i am fond of the Primera 2.0eGT's. Always thought they were decent.

[MARTIN KELSON]

Take a look on here.

http://www.touringcarspares.com/index.php

They have Primera panels & components etc from time to time.

[L14MNP]

Ah eGT. Cool mate. IRS FTW. Looks to corner nice and flat in your pics :) Any plans to upgrade to coilovers or anything else? The reg looks so familiar, reminds me of a mates old one, 5dr, same colour too.

I like P10's, makes a change to see a nice clean one! I got my first SR20 from an eZX I bought and broke.

Cheers Craig. This has me thinking, can't remember the last time I saw an eGT I never bought to break lol. Getting thin on the ground.

[L14MNP]

Cheers Martin. I've bought stuff from TCS before. Got my first CF splitter from there, it used to be a fairly quiet site but now the word is spreading. :( lol

He has some amazing stuff. I always like to have a look. :thumb:

[LEWI007]

Will be nice to see this one running eventually lol

[Danny s-p]

I like Primera's the one down the street from me it go a pulsar engine in it. it a proper sleeper. the lad i use to work with tolod me they were going to a show and he was just cruzing nicely at 110mph. he planted his foot and it start sping the wheels in 4th he had a ballbearing turbo on it. it all so use to kick the ass out of a evo 9 it proper mint.souned lush

[Bubba]

The Cavs did look very cool, and the early 90's stuff is so much less developed than the last of the multi million pound R&D machines. So easier to 'replicate' They're just something else.
Do a Cav replica, I seen the front splitter and a set of doors for sale a bit ago. :thumb:



i wanted to with my old loon...the '95 style one but i couldnt afford it, still cant :( bad times. i saw clelands '95 on touringcarspares for £16k with enough spare to build 2-3 more

[kerni@poland]

nice project

[callums]

to be fair the handling is spot on with the standard mutilink on there without going more power and cocking the engine up its superb and scares a few higher power cars loose in the straight gain in the bends

[burgo]

you funking know i love this limp. cant wait to see it take shape

[The Simps]

Always wanted to do a GT - awesome cars!! Keep up the motivation dude, gonna be an ace project to watch.

[L14MNP]

I like Primera's the one down the street from me it go a pulsar engine in it. it a proper sleeper. the lad i use to work with tolod me they were going to a show and he was just cruzing nicely at 110mph. he planted his foot and it start sping the wheels in 4th he had a ballbearing turbo on it. it all so use to kick the ass out of a evo 9 it proper mint.souned lush

Seeing as you live in Coxhoe I bet you're on about my mates P reg silver 4 dr?
Aye that thing is quick for only being FWD. Last time I spoke to him he was taking the BB off as it was making boost too early and was a right handful lol.

He used to have a red eGT hatch like callums above, fitted the DET from a GTi-R and then DIY converted it to 4WD. Clever guy and handy to know. :thumb:

[L14MNP]

Cheers for the positive repsonse everyone :)

Simps, I'm pleased I don't have a GT shell, no sunroof!

[t45_ste]

Cool project, keep the updates coming. :)

[brucer]

This looks a tidy project, keep up the good work.

[Paul]

awesome i used to love the btcc cars from this era, back in the glory days!

basically every manufacturer was competing!

[hybridturbo]

About time you got back onto this fella :d

[draper]

good to see some other pics of it limp and im impressed with the fab work

[Southie]

Performance Nissan Group lol

Some good fab work Limp, never knew you had the skills lol What sort of deadline have you set for this then?

Looking forward to more goodness. :d

[novashed]

love touring car stance, but no use on the everyday road lol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/novashed/vauxhallcavalierlimegreen-1.jpg?t=1265751506

[L14MNP]

Thanks everyone. :)

Southie, no date TBH. I'm done with blowing huge wads on cars so it will get done when it is done tbh. Apart from buying a new engine, seats, cage etc the vast majority of it will be done by me. Including painting it.

This particular car has seen too much of my money, I paid £1900 for the interior to be retrimmed and over £700 on a set of headlights :/ I know I'm a fool! Hence the caution now! lol

novashed, If that Cav was a touch higher and the front splitter removed then it would be OK for a bit of B road fun IMO. That's my aim, all the bumpers will be quick release and same goes for the splitter so it should still be useable lol.

Need to get some steel, probs tomorrow. Then I can extend the strut towers and start on the tubs.

[db_1.2]

What engine you using? 20DET?

Awsome project btw, ive always dreamed of doing something like this, one day!

[L14MNP]

Cheers dude. :) What car would you choose then?

More than likely will run a DET yeah. Part of me wants an SR20VE, but for the money they cost to import and then fettle with N1 cams etc you're only knocking on the door of 200 bhp. Ideally I want 250+

So I reckon the plan is to buy and break a sh!tter GTi-R and if the motor's healthy enough I will just run it stock, then afterwards I would rebuild it and up the power.

Even the 150bhp 'red top' DE would still shift it reasonably well (aint gonna run one though) as it will be much lighter than standard. Though I have no idea what the final weight will be. It better be no more than 1000kg though lol.

I just sold a brand new high port SR20DE which I have GTi-R throttle bodies for, I sometimes wonder if I should have kept it. No sense farting about when easy power is a bolt in option though, plus I don't have the worry of plowing ££'s into a high revving N/A engine that may go pop (DE/VE) lol


BTW, if anyone has any pics of the Nissan works cars, particuarly the rear beam setup and the front running gear mods I would be greatful if you could stick them in here. :thumb:

[Pistol Pete]

Awesome. You sent me a few pics a while ago. Didnt realise the extent of the work though. Fair play.

[craig green]

That Cav looks rude, dodgy colour though, it reminds me of a mates Nova done the same colour. OZ Mito's, mk1 slim bumpers etc.

[Mike]

awesome i used to love the btcc cars from this era, back in the glory days!

basically every manufacturer was competing!

Hell yeah, them were the days where BTCC was a contact sport lol i can still remember the old green Laguna's giving the Vec's a run for there money!

Crack on Liam :thumb:

[db_1.2]

Cheers dude. :) What car would you choose then?

More than likely will run a DET yeah. Part of me wants an SR20VE, but for the money they cost to import and then fettle with N1 cams etc you're only knocking on the door of 200 bhp. Ideally I want 250+

So I reckon the plan is to buy and break a sh!tter GTi-R and if the motor's healthy enough I will just run it stock, then afterwards I would rebuild it and up the power.

Even the 150bhp 'red top' DE would still shift it reasonably well (aint gonna run one though) as it will be much lighter than standard. Though I have no idea what the final weight will be. It better be no more than 1000kg though lol.

I just sold a brand new high port SR20DE which I have GTi-R throttle bodies for, I sometimes wonder if I should have kept it. No sense farting about when easy power is a bolt in option though, plus I don't have the worry of plowing ££'s into a high revving N/A engine that may go pop (DE/VE) lol


BTW, if anyone has any pics of the Nissan works cars, particuarly the rear beam setup and the front running gear mods I would be greatful if you could stick them in here. :thumb:
I dunno what id choose, probably something very similar to what your doing, wouldnt go vauxhall again, sort of lost interest with it all!

SR20DETS are a pretty solid engine, a lot better than the VG30DETT i had! And there even better than the RB's, for reliability! I reckon you could see 300bhp for somewhere in the region of 2-3k with decent managment. I was a user on the Gti-r forum, when i used to own a neesaan! SR20DETs go for pennies from a Gti-R, however, if you were to buy one from an s13/s14, people seem to want loads! I dont think theres any other options really?

[L14MNP]

I dunno what id choose, probably something very similar to what your doing, wouldnt go vauxhall again, sort of lost interest with it all!

SR20DETS are a pretty solid engine, a lot better than the VG30DETT i had! And there even better than the RB's, for reliability! I reckon you could see 300bhp for somewhere in the region of 2-3k with decent managment. I was a user on the Gti-r forum, when i used to own a neesaan! SR20DETs go for pennies from a Gti-R, however, if you were to buy one from an s13/s14, people seem to want loads! I dont think theres any other options really?


Never had any experience with 300ZX's mate. I've heard they can be trouble though lol

The reason the GTi-R variant of the DET's go cheaper is cos they aren't as advanced and the type from the S-body cars. No VVC and a few other differences. They also won't just drop into a FWD or 4WD shell. My mate (the lad Danny SP mentioned) looked into fitting a VVC head from an S14a onto his GTi-R DET and said it really wasn't worth the hassle.


I tasked my father with the job of cutting/rolling some sheet to extend my strut towers. He came up trumps on Friday, so I chopped it about and bent it here and there so it fit the car perfectly.

I also attempted to acquire some sheet steel for the tubs but the (cheapest/best) suppliers was busy and then closed. :roll: :(

I've welded it both sides, where it joins the strut top and the chassis leg.
I need a new auto-darkening visor, or just to dig out the lenses I have for this one, as I can't see very well. :( lol It has penetrated perfectley though, just not very neat. Nowt a quick pass with a flap wheel can't solve I guess.

A few gay pics:
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1260-1.jpg?t=1266100427
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1267-1.jpg?t=1266100453
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1272-1.jpg?t=1266100595
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1271-1.jpg?t=1266100617
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1262-1.jpg?t=1266100694
That's the floorpans just off the deck - around two threads showing on the coilovers lol.

It would have been nice to remake the whole strut tower but I just want to crack on. I may go back to it, but I think once cleaned up that it should look presentable enough.

I'm gonna chop out the N/S/R arch and strut tower tomorrow and then raise the towers to the same heigh, hang the beam and then look at where I can attach the trailing arms and panhard.
I was just going to leave the N/S on the jack and use a spirit level, but the beam 'roll's on the jack as it has no trailing arms to keep it square.

I think this way will be the most accurate. :thumb:

[Bubba]

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1262-1.jpg?t=1266100694
That's the floorpans just off the deck - around two threads showing on the coilovers lol.


THAT is how it should be done!!!! rimtuck :D

[L14MNP]

Ah but you see I'm not such a fan. I'd prefer it if the whole wheel was on show with the sills on the deck. This isn't practical though as when the car is raised to a 'street' level I would have arch gaps! I'm gonna look into it though.:thumb:

[burgo]

funking love it

[L33 LEG]

Absolutly love it l14m! I have always been a fan of touring cars, i keep meaning to do a replica of one. Never been a fan of primeras before but i am loving this already, the wheels and how low it is makes it look amazing.

Glad you finally got a project thread up aswell, it will be ace when it finally gets out after so many years away :)

[Mike]

What wheels are they Liam?? I keep thinking there Pulsar GTiR ones for some reason :S

[L14MNP]

Cheers boy. Need some dinner inside me (or is that lunch lol) then I can get chopping again. Hopefully i can fix the welding mask too.

Mike, they're 18" Raceline RL7's mate. I thought you would recognise a set of those lol. TBF though, they do look different in larger sizes.

Sunny wheels wouldn't fit as they're 4x100 and I'm 4x144.3. I had to have these when they came up years ago. I've never seen them in this PCD or size. Best bit is I swapped then complete with Eagle F1 GSD3's for my ACE 17's from the earlier pics. lol

[Mike]

Mike, they're 18" Raceline RL7's mate. I thought you would recognise a set of those lol. TBF though, they do look different in larger sizes. .

Ah, i did think that, but then though they were Pulsar items. Nissan to Nissan, like Cav slabs on Nova's kinda thing lol

[peester]

they're 4x100 and I'm 4x144.3.

4x114.3

[L14MNP]

4x114.3
:thumb: I'm too fast for my own keyboard. lol

Sunday/tonights efforts were to cut out what remains of the boot floor, the passenger side inner arch and remove the strut top and clean it up ready to be heightened. There is that much crap stuck to the towers from the various inner skins, some being 3mm thick that it takes ages just to prepare it for refitting. :(
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1283-1.jpg?t=1266272023
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1279-1.jpg?t=1266272299
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1284-1.jpg?t=1266272442
As can be seen this side is a totally different shape due to the fuel filler. I assumed I could get away with using the standard fuel flap and make another filler neck but the wheel is going to be completely in the way, so I guess it's gonna have to be a fill it through the window job. I'm not too concerned about that at the minute though.


Does anyone know the MOT regulations/legal requirements for towing eyes?

The rear, below will be in the factory position (what a tw4t the old one was to fully remove!) but it will protrude a lot more. As it has rounded edges I thought it may not even come into question?
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1288-1.jpg?t=1266272097
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1281-1.jpg?t=1266272127
The front, which will bolt to the chassis leg and be the same as the car below
may be a different story? I can see that causing concern? lol
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/Super%20Tourers/HPIM1155.jpg?t=1266271646

My mate made me laugh. He can't wrap his head around the concept of removing non-rusty metal lol
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1278-1.jpg?t=1266272233
Plenty more where that come from...

Once I get the rest of this inner arch out of the way and the tower raised over the next few days I should be near the stage of knocking up the rear tubs. Which I'm looking forward to. You can only chop out so much, then you start to think adding some new metal would be a wise move. lol

[Iain]

So that's what non rusty metal looks like.

Can you not make the towing eyes removable or do you want them there all the time for show?

[Mike]

Top stuff Liam!

Youve had one hell of a sudden spurt to get things rolling aint ya??

[Dirtydog1]

this makes me very jealous! i cant wait to see it done! touring cars look mean!

[L14MNP]

I'm gonna make the front removable. The rear would be easier to fix in place due to the fact it will be contained inside the chassis leg, under the boot floor when I finally have another lol.

I'll not lie. I think they look awesome, so would like to run them all the time, yeah.

[L14MNP]

Aye MIke, I just decided one day to go all out on it, but still keep the crazy spending down. Been there, done that. Like a lot of others I'm not intending to blow a fortune on a single car again lol.
Nice to see your project car fund growing btw dude! How long until the face is a smiley one? lol

This is what I'm into these days. I find the problem solving and fabricating new parts etc to be pretty fulfilling tbh. lol. The front setup is gonna test me and my 'team' though. lol Bring it on! Might take a trip to the scrappers this weekend and check out the setup on N16 Almeras.

Thanks Dirtydog :) Yeah the proper Super Tourers were amazing. There should be more replicas or cars to remind us of them.

[Mike]

Aye MIke, I just decided one day to go all out on it, but still keep the crazy spending down. Been there, done that. Like a lot of others I'm not intending to blow a fortune on a single car again lol.
Nice to see your project car fund growing btw dude! How long until the face is a smiley one? lol

This is what I'm into these days. I find the problem solving and fabricating new parts etc to be pretty fulfilling tbh. lol. The front setup is gonna test me and my 'team' though. lol Bring it on! Might take a trip to the scrappers this weekend and check out the setup on N16 Almeras.

Gotta hand it to you chap, i used to think you were one of these "know how to do it but never actually done it" type of people (back seat driver if you will) but fair play to you, would love a nosey round this actually! And i know exactly what you mean about spending bazillions on one car doing ten hundred jobs at once lol lol

As for the fulfillment of fabbing up new parts, that is by far the best bit of a build, your own personel fabrication work kinda thing, brings a sense of achievement for me.

I had a big thread up in Member Only regarding possible future project cars, an then decided instead of blowing my other savings on a brand new van i was gonna by lairy Jap, but now actually decided to keep the Corsa, keep my other savings & save hard all over again for liary Jap lol wont be a smiley until about £3k im afraid :(

[Nick J]

[quote=L14MNP]
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1262-1.jpg?t=1266100694

That looks pretty awesome fella.... The thought your putting in should turn up some great results! Nice work :)

Nick.

[L14MNP]

Gotta hand it to you chap, i used to think you were one of these "know how to do it but never actually done it" type of people (back seat driver if you will) but fair play to you, would love a nosey round this actually! And i know exactly what you mean about spending bazillions on one car doing ten hundred jobs at once lol lol

As for the fulfillment of fabbing up new parts, that is by far the best bit of a build, your own personel fabrication work kinda thing, brings a sense of achievement for me.

I had a big thread up in Member Only regarding possible future project cars, an then decided instead of blowing my other savings on a brand new van i was gonna by lairy Jap, but now actually decided to keep the Corsa, keep my other savings & save hard all over again for liary Jap lol wont be a smiley until about £3k im afraid :(

I suppose me having a WIP helps a bit then. I get where you're coming from though. Not owning a Nova and offering 'advice' etc can come across wrong.
I don't know much but I am always willing to learn and give something a go mate. Suckit'N'See Developments is in full swing lol

Good plan on keeping up the saving fella. If your current work van is tidy and reliable enough then why get shot IMO. Spend the money on something you will get geuine enjoyment from. :thumb:


Nick, thanks mate. It's a shame I won't be able to run it that low lol. Raising it little hopefully shouldn't effect the appearance too much though.

At least I have the option of slamming it for pics and the odd track session though. :)

P.S Fancy painting it Ibus or Frozen white for me? lol :thumb:

[Paul]

top work, im liking this project a lot!

[The Simps]

top notch Liam.

[burgo]

how the hell did i miss that update :( cant wait until you start building the tubs. gonna look awesome

[Southie]

This is the best wip on PNG this year (so far) ;)

[Richie_B]

This is the best wip on PNG this year (so far) ;)

Praise indeed. This is happening quickly now though!

What's happening engine-wise now?

[hybridturbo]

Class Liam, Leave enough room inbetween the tubs to fit something like a cheap mk2 escort alloy tank and filler neck :thumb:

Will it need an exhaust tunnel to run that low or is there enough room under there?

[L14MNP]

Thank again everyone. You're all so nice on here. lol

Cheers Southie dude. Had you hit your head? lol

Richie, GTi-R motor is the plan. Read the thread and you would see that :@ (LOL)

Ta Joe. I'm gonna run my standard plastic 60 litre tank mate. It's more weight in the right place (inside the wheel base and as low as possible).Turns out the touring cars ran the tank in the original place too. Hows the mk2, any new toys?

The exhaust tunnel is massive mate. It will tuck up no bother I reckon. I've always wondered why it's so large. Maybe some of the pressings are shared between this and the JDM 4WD versions? Look where the tunnel meets the bulkhead. Looks like it's shaped for a bellhousing - almost. lol. Here's a couple pics to show what I mean.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/Picture021.jpg?t=1266444842
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/Picture006-1.jpg?t=1266444875
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1304.jpg?t=1266445222
My mate Mick was over for a couple hours tonight so we rolled the arch lip on the N/S/R and he cut out some more of the inner arch so there was enough room for the wheel.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1299-1.jpg?t=1266445317
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1295.jpg?t=1266445480
One redundant fuel flap.

I tacked the strut tower in. It's slightly twisted so It may have to come back out but it's just a couple spots keeping it in at the minute.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1300.jpg?t=1266445716
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1303-1.jpg?t=1266445626
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1314-1.jpg?t=1266445869
Both coilovers back in :)
After wrestling with a wheel thet did not want to sit on a hub for about 20 mins I finally got it on. This will be a lot easier when the beam is cut in the middle and is narrlowed slightly and adjustable for camber/toe.

On that note, I have took some measurements tonight and will get my dad to cut me out the plates needed to bolt the beam together. So hopefully that can happen soon. :)

Rose joints and Dzus fasteners turned up today so as soon as I can I will be looking at how to mount the trailing arms on the beam.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1310.jpg?t=1266445954
Camera is rubbish lol

[db_1.2]

I love what your doing!

Might be a stupid question, but what are you planing on doing with it? Lol, i think you might have trouble to get it to go anyway! lol

Quality of the work looks top notch i must say, wish i was as skilled

[L14MNP]

Cheers dude. There's no skill in weilding a grinder mate. lol You need better eyes than me sometimes though. Mates ftw. lol

As for it's use, I want it as a fast road/occasional track car mate. What you mean trouble to get it to go? It weighs as much as a paper bag ATM lol. We lifted the rear a good 3 feet across tonight with zero effort lol.
I'll be more concerened about it just spinning all of it's power away. lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

Coming on well mate...now were are these tubs.....lol

[db_1.2]

Sorry i meant anywhere, not anyway Lol. I know from experience the troubles of getting a lowered car on and off a trailer, perhaps youll have to lift yours onto it rather than drive it onto a trailer.

Would love to see it in the flesh, youll have to post on here when you take it out, maybe not soon! But id like a look either way

Could i ask what sort of equipment your using mate? Like the welder etc, ive been looking into getting a welder, but theres sooo many to choose from. I know it will be a a gas mig, but turbo? I prefer superchargers myself! lol

You making your own cage? If so, i bought Performance BMW this month, and they got a usefull guide in the back :)

[L14MNP]

No tubs yet lol. It was always the plan to get the strut towers in and then sort the trailing arms and panhard design so I can see exactly where the wheelbase is, and how much room I have to play with - then tubs. lol I'm making this to take 19" Mag wheels for if I change to a set of Dymag centre locks in the future.

I get you now db, It won't be running that low all of the time, but will still be very close to the ground. Bumpers and splitter will be quick release so that should help a lot! I'll bring it to PVS ('11) mate. lol

My MiG is a Clarke 175a from Machine Mart and it's just right IMO. Welds 3/4mm with ease. I have had a 130a before and it was a bit lacking my eyes.
lol @ chargers - don't we all!

Unsure on the cage for now, there's nothing off the shelf, and I am wanting to have one based on the ST designs so I may well end up having a go at making it. I plan to weld a few bits in anyway, like the dash bar etc and see how I get on.

Cheers for the mag info! I will have to check that out. :)

[db_1.2]

Ahhh thats a good idea with the quick release front end. Still have to be a low loader i reckon!

Ill have to have a look at that sometime, only problem is i got nowhere to put a socket set, let alone a welder! Hopefully buying a house next year, and im really really really hoping it will have some small area to work in, but i wont hold my breath, not being first time buying.

I looked into the kit for bending tubes, as if you were to build a cage, and you can get a hydrualic kit that bends upto 180 degrees, of upto stresses of 12tonne, for 170ish quid, which i though was good. But im not sure what else youd need to do a real good job

[vaughanmc]

Going to be some car :thumb:

[Prey]

Inspiring build - awesome - I wish I could take on something like this!

[hybridturbo]

Ta Joe. I'm gonna run my standard plastic 60 litre tank mate. It's more weight in the right place (inside the wheel base and as low as possible).Turns out the touring cars ran the tank in the original place too. Hows the mk2, any new toys?

The exhaust tunnel is massive mate. It will tuck up no bother I reckon. I've always wondered why it's so large. Maybe some of the pressings are shared between this and the JDM 4WD versions? Look where the tunnel meets the bulkhead. Looks like it's shaped for a bellhousing - almost. lol. Here's a couple pics to show what i mean

Yeh i see what you mean, plenty room to hide the exhaust out the way :d

Yeh got loads for the mk2 now, been getting all the boring bits like clutch, gaskets, pipes and pumps etc ready for the rebuild.

[dj_wudgey]

this will be a kick ass motor im watching this one!!

[L14MNP]

Cheers Wudgey. :thumb:


Well, progress is slow lol. I've not bothered with the car all of last week due to refurbishing four of my Volvos Superlites and the car itself needs a bit of TLC. Pretty pleased with how the lips have come up, they were corroded and curbed to fcuk (previous owner). Just in need of a lick of paint now.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/Dusty%20Drifter/PICT1320.jpg?t=1267565937

As for the P11, I asked my dad to cut me out the two plates at work I need to make the rear beam adjustable. He's been rushed off his feet so couldn't get them done for ages. Then when he did, he had to use some scrap plate that wasn't fully circular. Add that to the fact I gave him the ID of my beams tube instead of the OD (for the centre hole of the plates) and it has meant some time spent over my mates lathe lol. Awesome machines. :)

I'm finally sorted with them now, so I've cut the beam in half and removed 15mm from each outer tube. I need to cut the inner tube down so it sits nicely in the plates, it's a snug fit but obviously I don't want it to protrude.

Then I can weld it up. That's tomorrows job. I can then finally see where my wheels want to sit without the tyres resting on the outer arch.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1315.jpg?t=1267566331
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1322-1.jpg?t=1267566396
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1321-1.jpg?t=1267566490

Piston ring compressors make handy edges to scribe against lol

Hopefully now it's clearer what I am doing. If it wasn't before. lol

[Mike]

Top stuff dude :)

Lathes are well wicked machines when faffing with motors, as soon as ive got somewhere to put one ill be buying me a combi one with built in vertical/horizontal miller. An a nice classic car to restore too lol

[L14MNP]

That's the thing like aint it mate. Having somewhere to put one!

I'd like to have some time on them so I can understand them more. I get the idea but there's so many variations. Obviously that's what enables them to be so awesome. lol

Anyone know what I should re-polish the Superlites rims with? What grit w&d to use from the bufty boys? lol

[Mike]

I'd like to have some time on them so I can understand them more. I get the idea but there's so many variations. Obviously that's what enables them to be so awesome. lol

The more "swing over bed" the more useful the lathe will be. Baby lathes are pap, i learnt to use them on a 20ft long thing with an 18" diameter chuck :eek: a proper beast!

[L14MNP]

Ideal if you wanna make a crankshaft lol. Sky's the limit!

The one you learned on is a monster! Very cool.

[L14MNP]

Yeh got loads for the mk2 now, been getting all the boring bits like clutch, gaskets, pipes and pumps etc ready for the rebuild.

Awesome mate. Can't believe I still haven't seen it! lol

[L14MNP]

Damn. I have got my sums wrong here. I cut 30mm out of the beam and then welded on the two plates which are 5mm each. So I should have been left with 10mm either side for brake discs and general arch clearance and a bit remaining for adding a camber spacer (if desired) to the centre.

My mate said a while ago that brake disc centres were 'around' 7mm thick so I took his word on it. I guess some are, but I have three sets here, two front one rear and they're all much thicker. Obviously this only came to my attention after modifying the beam. :roll: lol

It goes like this, Uprated 330mm R34 GTR fronts are just under 17mm thick, Uprated R33 GTR fronts were around 18.5mm and standard P11 non vented rears are over 19mm thick.

I know comparing fronts to rears isn't ideal, but it surprised me that the larger the disc, the thinner the centre. Or is this maybe down to them not being the standard fit items?

I think my next stop is finding some appropriate discs with thinner centres.
The spec on these (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NISSAN-SKYLINE-2-5-08-93-11-98-Brake-Discs-Rear_W0QQitemZ260559203204QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Ca rsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3caa89eb84) has me confused. 9mm is the width of the entire disc I guess but what's with the 4 holes, they should be 5x114.3.

A trip to Halfords with a micrometer may come in well handy. Also does anyone know if the motorfactors books would have the thickness of the hub area listed in the specs? Or is there a decent site to check? (I'm looking now)

Even if I get some -10mm discs I think I'm still going to have to remove a little more from the beam. No big deal though I guess.

I also have the option of having the back face of the wheels machined to raise the offset. Here's a pic of them, looks possible to me. What do we think? (I'd use this as a last resort)
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1329.jpg?t=1267699884
Check those scratches. That's what you get from having big wheels and the rear beam raised too high lol. Not an easy fit atm.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1330.jpg?t=1267700008
and on the car. wheels are free from the arches for the first time but as I say, it aint right. lol

[L14MNP]

Right. It's called the face thickness it seems. Makes sense. lol
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/attachments/suspension-brakes-wheels-tires/39645d1151517720-brake-disc-dimensions-brake_rotors.jpg

http://www2.qha.com/catalogues/QH15.pdf
http://www.carparts-direct.co.uk/Rossini_Brake_Discs_Detail.cfm

Sorted for info. Now to find something suitable.

Final question on brake discs. Is there any notable reasons why I shouldn't run front discs on the rear? Or are the usual reasons just down to caliper clearance/fitment etc?

[novashed]

just whatever will fit in calipers,

[belly257]

awsome project:thumb:

[t45_ste]

Damn. I have got my sums wrong here. I cut 30mm out of the beam and then welded on the two plates which are 5mm each. So I should have been left with 10mm either side for brake discs and general arch clearance and a bit remaining for adding a camber spacer (if desired) to the centre.

My mate said a while ago that brake disc centres were 'around' 7mm thick so I took his word on it. I guess some are, but I have three sets here, two front one rear and they're all much thicker. Obviously this only came to my attention after modifying the beam. :roll: lol

It goes like this, Uprated 330mm R34 GTR fronts are just under 17mm thick, Uprated R33 GTR fronts were around 18.5mm and standard P11 non vented rears are over 19mm thick.

I know comparing fronts to rears isn't ideal, but it surprised me that the larger the disc, the thinner the centre. Or is this maybe down to them not being the standard fit items?

I think my next stop is finding some appropriate discs with thinner centres.
The spec on these (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NISSAN-SKYLINE-2-5-08-93-11-98-Brake-Discs-Rear_W0QQitemZ260559203204QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Ca rsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3caa89eb84) has me confused. 9mm is the width of the entire disc I guess but what's with the 4 holes, they should be 5x114.3.

A trip to Halfords with a micrometer may come in well handy. Also does anyone know if the motorfactors books would have the thickness of the hub area listed in the specs? Or is there a decent site to check? (I'm looking now)

Even if I get some -10mm discs I think I'm still going to have to remove a little more from the beam. No big deal though I guess.

I also have the option of having the back face of the wheels machined to raise the offset. Here's a pic of them, looks possible to me. What do we think? (I'd use this as a last resort)
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1329.jpg?t=1267699884
Check those scratches. That's what you get from having big wheels and the rear beam raised too high lol. Not an easy fit atm.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1330.jpg?t=1267700008
and on the car. wheels are free from the arches for the first time but as I say, it aint right. lol

You could always have some bells made up to your own spec. :)

[L14MNP]

Maybe in the future Ste, but I'm not going for any of that stuff ATM.

I'm sorted now. There's plenty large enough discs with a <10mm face thickness. If I get time I will grab some tomorrow. :thumb:

[L14MNP]

More rear beam shennanigans this weekend. A mate and I discussed the trailing arm situation. I'll not pretend to have made any of this. I just watched and generally passed tools lol. The guy really knows his stuff. :thumb: Thanks again Ron! :thumb:

I wanted adjustment on the trailing arms so I could move the rear wheelbase forward or back depending on where the wheels are happiest and also handy for if I upgrade to 19" Dymags at some stage. TBH I will try and run the wheels further forward I think to shorten the wheelbase, but then you have the trade off of between a slighty better handling car or one that looks stupid/broken - a compromise shall be reached. lol
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l160/2HEKTK/BTCC013.jpg
This amazing machine looks to have some sweet adjustment. I hope for similar.

The design was decided. Have the rose joints fixed at the pivot end where the trailing arms bolt to the shell and the adjustment will come from the beam end.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1341.jpg?t=1268002876
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1337.jpg?t=1268002981
The finished brackets.
As can be seen, the slotted holes will allow the trailing arms to slide forward/back and then be locked in place with M10 bolts.

I now need to acquire some steel bar for Ron to work his magic in his lathe and the RJ end will be sorted.

I have also decided to shorten the beam again, I am going to take a further 30mm out of the centre. This will leave more than enough room for brake discs, wider wheels, camber shims and/or a spacer.


This finally tipped up the other day. After a fart on with the courier on the sellers end.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/PICT1335.jpg?t=1268003253
My £15 bender. :)

[dj_wudgey]

this is mental i love this project!!! also the superlights look pretty good!!!

[brainsnova]

great price on the http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u331/Brain_missing/bender.gif

[LEWI007]

Ahh i see you got your bender, cant wait to see the cage taking shape.

[draper]

good work on the rear set-up pal


that accord looks the sht aswell !!!

[L14MNP]

Cheers fella. :thumb:

The trailing arms have been todays focus. Started with a length of tube, some 30mm bar and a couple of rose joints.

The idea being to make an insert in the lathe that would be drilled and tapped. An M16 bolt added (all welded together) then the RJ will screw onto the protruding bolt threads.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00003-1.jpg?t=1268177368
Cutting through this sh!t with a hacksaw takes it out of you (me anyway) lol
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00002-1.jpg?t=1268177453
Rons dream machine in action (H) Cheers again mate. One day I'll have one of those. Until then. All of this is much appreciated!
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00004-1.jpg?t=1268214275
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00005-1.jpg?t=1268177526
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00006-1.jpg?t=1268177609
Kind of how it will look. Obviously the trailing arm bars need cutting down and bolting in and the insert needs welding to the tube.

Quick update cos I'm knackered and CBA! lol

[dj_wudgey]

mate this project is the sh*t!!!

[L14MNP]

:thumb: Ta mate. Here's hoping it works all works as planned, lol

If I get time this evening I want to get the beam back on the car and the trailing arms on. Still need to shorten the beam and TA'S and a few other jobs but nothing too taxing.

[dj_wudgey]

shweeet mate hope all goes well for you but i cant wait to see this finished!! it will be a awesome car!!! absolutely awesome!!!

[allysr]

thats awesome! crazy amount of work, sure it should be worth all the hassle and late nights ! are you going to race it ?

[Mike]

Good stuff Liam, altho you could have just cut it using the lathe lol lol

[L14MNP]

Thanks again Wudge. It's kind comments like yours and many others I have read that really spur me on if I'm not in the zone lol.

allysr, No plans to mate. Just want something fun I can blat about in and what I can drive to the odd track day. The main aim is making the car a decent base to build on so I can develop further in the future. If I can sort an MSA cage out (properly) then I guess I could look into hillclimbing maybe.
I dunno. I will be happy just to have it on the road lol. Thanks mate. :thumb:

lol Mike. The cutting job on the lathe can't go that deep mate! It managed it after the bar was drilled out to 14mm though. Believe me, the easy option is always the first consideration! lol

[L14MNP]

Finally got the beam back in one piece (and more importantly lined up straight) it's been a right fcuk on to allign the inner tube with the outer and have the disc that bolts the two together rotated the correct way for the PCD to bolt up.

It's down to the fact that the inner tube is original and is welded to the hubs at an angle and straightens up in the middle. Due it now being something like 45mm shorter than standard (I forget ATM) and me welding a new full sized outer tube it required bending to sit central. No amount of fcuking on with a vice/spacers/big bars etc was getting it precise enough. Finally it is, thanks to this:
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00023-1.jpg
This washer sits inside the outer tube and keeps the inner central. Job done. :)

I now have muchos room for discs, camber or width spacers and wider wheels if I desire.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00026-1.jpg

I had a play with the trailing arms with my mate. Bit of a balls up on my part when making the brackets - they're angled the wrong way!:wtf: lol

So this was called into action for the first time.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00025-1.jpg

They fit like a glove now - just hope I haven't cut them too short or I'll need new tube. lol
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00031-1.jpg
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00032-1.jpg
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00033-1.jpg
Beam tucked right up and nothing catching.


Originally the idea was to have the trailing arms straight, however now these have been bent (good job Micks a plumber lol Cheers mate!) i think I prefer this way. They are tucked up right out of the way and still clear the chassis leg by a couple of mm with the car on it's lowest setting - which it will probably never see.

Now the arms are sort of done I just require drilling the brackets on the car out to 16mm or having my mate turn me a collar to allow the original 12mm bolts to be used in the rose joints. Seeing as they are M16 though i think i will drill the car out.

There's a bit more to be cut out of the bodywork on the N/S (door step, some inner arch) and more was cut from the O/S yesterday (chassis leg overhang, bit of floor lol) then I can set the wheelbase and finally will be able to start on the tubs.

As always I want to get cracking on this, but my Volvo is going to be seeing some attention over the next few weeks as I am wanting it another inch lower and to tidy it up a bit after the winter kicked it's 4rse so it may intrude on the project that should be known as 'As and when' lol :thumb:

[mowgli]

Final question on brake discs. Is there any notable reasons why I shouldn't run front discs on the rear? Or are the usual reasons just down to caliper clearance/fitment etc?

the need for a legal, working handbrake is the only thing you will have trouble with.

[draper]

i can actually work out the whole training arm set-up now ive seen it on the car, works well buddy

[hybridturbo]

Front discs are fine on the rear Liam

Like the idea on the trailing arms, will you be fitting rose joints at the rear or some sort of bush?

[Southie]

Still enjoying the build Limp and as I have no skill what so ever doing fabrication it's a learning curve seeing your build. :cool::thumb:

Are you any nearer sorting the volvo rims out then?

[burgo]

looking lush limp

[LEWI007]

Yeah its getting there. keep at it man.

[The Simps]

Love it!

[L14MNP]

the need for a legal, working handbrake is the only thing you will have trouble with.

That would only come into question if I ran front calipers on the rar though. lol


i can actually work out the whole training arm set-up now ive seen it on the car, works well buddy


Thanks mate. Yeah someone else said they can see what the setup is gonna be now also. better than bits of tube and random sentences from me lol



Front discs are fine on the rear Liam

Like the idea on the trailing arms, will you be fitting rose joints at the rear or some sort of bush?

Cool mate. I will see what's available then. More than likely will be 5 stud redrilled.

The TA's are rose jointed, you can't see in the pics, but it's where they attach to the brackets on the chassis.
The panhard rod will be RJ'd too. Actually, I'm gonna order those now - cheers for the reminder lol.

All of the front end and gear linkage etc will be made with them as well when the time comes.


Still enjoying the build Limp and as I have no skill what so ever doing fabrication it's a learning curve seeing your build. :cool::thumb:

Are you any nearer sorting the volvo rims out then?


Cheers buddy, just dive in and try stuff. If it works it works if not then back to the drawing board. That's how we roll lol.

The Volvo wheels are curb and corrosion free, just need to paint the spokes. Probably gonna use my mates gun next weekend. :)
I'm still trying to work out if my extra inch gaining lowering method is feasible atm. lol


Burgo, Lewi, Simps, cheers lads. Much appreciated :thumb: Feel the Nissan related love in here. lol

[Andy]

Lovvin it bruvver lol
Seriously mate,your doing great,menatl skills

[The Simps]

Limp, I've got some 18" technomag detroit f1s in nissan 4 stud if you know anyone who wants em? 7" I think. Could do with a refurb.

[L14MNP]

lol Ta Andy mate. Wait until the front end is 're-engineered' plenty of 'fun' to be had there. I'll admit when I'm out of my depth though. lol

Always with the Limp. lol Are they 4x114.3 or 4x100 Simps? Funny you mention Detroit F1's as I was helping a mate today and was discussing how I nearly bought some years ago and he actually had some on his Almera (didn't know him then though - I don't think lol)
I know a couple of people I can ask for you though. :thumb:

[The Simps]

They were on my on primera sport (model after yours) so I'm guessing 4x114.3

They've got 3 good tyres & one split. They have been sat round the back of the shed for quite some time tho so maybe perished.

[L14MNP]

Yeah mate. 114.3. I always thought you had the same shape as mine, a GT? meh lol.

I still know a couple of Primera lads so will put the word out. I would have been tempted by them if they were an inch or two bigger!

[Lucky Luke!]

Good work Liam, really liking this thread, makes me wanna chop up my brothers multi coloured primera!

[L14MNP]

Cheers boss. :) What's your bro got a chromoflair job or just a few donor panels? lol

[kerniCorsa]

J like it, perfect job

[Mike]

Dude, proper top work man!!

[L14MNP]

Cheers Mike :thumb: Best say thanks now incase I'm made to walk the plank lol.

I hope to get a bit done on this tomorrow/Sunday, we shall see.

Too busy farting on devising new Lolvo lowering methods today. lol

[allysr]

trailing arm set up is proper clever :thumb: love how low it sits :cool:

[muzzy]

Top work on this, the rear suspension set up looks quite good.

[L14MNP]

Ta lads. If i can find suitable tube and rose joints hopefully the panhard will be made this week.

I cut the other door shut/step area out today and a bit inside.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00044.jpg
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00051.jpg


And off the ground (honest) back feet only for now.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00048.jpg

Also cut more from the O/S.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00046.jpg
It's about there now. No catching anymore. :) Just needs tidying up and making pretty lol. Then FINALLY I can order steel and begin on the tubs.

A gay update, but an update none the less. lol

[Mike]

Love this thread :)

[The Simps]

Hardcore! Love it. Only thing that worries me is you'll probably be finished before me! lol

[L14MNP]

Ta gents. I will have something worthwhile to add here shortly I hope. lol

Simps. no danger of me beating you mate! Not when I have a Lolvo to either Zetec or Turbo too. You still waiting on cage sections?

(goes off to find your thread.) :)

[The Simps]

Its your sudden spurt of enthusiasm that worries me! lol

Waiting on a fe parts at mo in the sense of buying them, been distracted by other shiny things but there has been other good developments on the car which can't be spoken off right now ;)

[L14MNP]

Good to hear mate :) I look forward to seeing what the pixies have been doing whilst you're on here. lol

Yeah I looked at the car one day and thought I've left you in bare metal in many places in a garage that gets full with condensation, and you haven't rusted at all. The very least i can do is chop you up bit more.

It's not so easy finding a home for everything I had dumped inside/on top of it though. That's why I follow your lead to an extent - cut bits out then there's no way you can fill it back up with crap. lol :thumb:

[The Simps]

I'm glad I'm of inspiration! lol I cut some more out the other day - was most satisfying!

[dj_wudgey]

man this car will be cool get it brought to a meet or show or whatever when its done i want to see this in the flesh it will be cool as funk!!!

[L14MNP]

Right, now that I'm not dying I can get back onto this lol

When we re-done the N/S/R strut tower the beam then sit at the angle that was originally intended, so I had to make more trailing arms.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00081-1.jpg
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00094-1.jpg
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00093-1.jpg
Straight as an arrow as intended first time around - wonky strut tower to blame!



I decided to cut away the remainder of the inner arch where it meets the outer arch lip (removed this too). I was going to just trim it back and seal it but It's a bodge, plus this way i can pull the arches out very easily should I want/need to. The new design will be like a Peugeot, with the tub being welded directly to the outer skin and no lip/water trap anywhere. Plus it's a lot neater. :)
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00088-1.jpg
A wise move I'm sure you'll agree. This is a very clean shell, having covered only 58K miles and been garaged SORN for the last 5 years, but it still has it's surprises. There was loads of dirt hiding between the skins and the sealer was very rusty in places and was starting to disease the outer skin - luckily it was very very minor.


It was quite the fcuk on seperating the inner and outer spotwelds (read tearing/cutting) without distorting the quarter panel. I'm pleased with it though, especially as I know it will never rust now. :)
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00089-1.jpg
Looks fine. i think I'll leave it like that. lol
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00091-1.jpg
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00092-1.jpg
Lip be gone. :cool:

Just the other side to do tomorrow. Thankfully there's much more room to do that one and the shape isn't as awkward.

Thanks to my mates van I now have the materials I need.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00090.jpg

[L14MNP]

man this car will be cool get it brought to a meet or show or whatever when its done i want to see this in the flesh it will be cool as funk!!!

Cheers mate. It's kind words like this that make the fcuk on worthwhile. :thumb:

I will definitley bring it to where you lot are sometime. I'll stick a Griffin on the boot for PVS lol.

[Mike]

Dude, i wanna see this car for real! Loving the ideas & whole DIYness nutshell! Bet your Nissan forum mates are proper loving it no?

[MK999]

I have only just noticed that I have never posted in here. Hi, *generic keep up the good work reply*

Looking forward to seeing the developments on yours too Simps :d

[L14MNP]

Dude, i wanna see this car for real! Loving the ideas & whole DIYness nutshell! Bet your Nissan forum mates are proper loving it no?

lol I don't post on any Nissan forums mate! It's only on here. I don't even sign into the Volvo owners site anymore. CBA with sites, but this one's a laugh.

I stopped using NPOC (Primera site) years ago and haven't bothered to return. I tired of the whole tints, 40mm springs, 17's and cat back approach they all have.

Thanks for the kind words mate. I'm itching to get started on the front now. :)

lol MK. Ta bud. Don't worry about chatting sh!t in here. I'll continue to harass you on MSN. lol :thumb:

Agreed on Simps' project. We want updates! :cool:

[dj_wudgey]

when you hoping for this to be finished?

[The Simps]

How ur doing ur tubs to your outer skin is the best way imo, how i'm doing mine. Great work on the trailing arms btw - hardcore!

[L14MNP]

lol @ finish date. No idea mate. Safe to say not this summer though!

Yeah Dazee Rascal, it definitley seems the best way. I'm not bothered about no arch lip either then as the strength will come back with the addition of tubs.

There's a Blue Peter style panhard rod and sway bar to make for the back yet. Much more pipe related antics from SuckitNSee Motorsport. lol

I can't wait to see yours done mate. Hardcore aint the word!

Ta boys. :thumb:

[LEWI007]

lol finish date.

This has been a project since early 2000's hasnt it ?

[The Simps]

lol finish date.

This has been a project since early 2000's hasnt it ?


I believe so. I hope mine doesn't take that long! lol

[L14MNP]

It's been off the road for the last 5 years in various states of build and 90% completed smooooth style lol.

It's been a project since I got it in 2001 I guess, but only got serious less than a year back? lol

It used to bother me that it was 'dated' before. Plus my likes/dislikes changed. Now though it can only be dated in a good way, I hope.

That's right, the (OMG) 90's. LOLZ

[L14MNP]

I believe so. I hope mine doesn't take that long! lol

Oi! :p What are you doing on here the same time as me. lol

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/motivator9431439.jpg
Quoted for truth. lol

[Southie]

Loving the fact that your sharing the exclusiveness of your build with PNG only, top man :cool:

By the time this is finished cars will be flying lol

[L14MNP]

That's the real reason I don't have an engine in the bay yet, fossil fuels will be used up by the time I roll this out of the garage.

You also discovered the true reason for my tubbing needs, it's to fit an electric motor to each wheel. :p

[MK999]

You also discovered the true reason for my tubbing needs, it's to fit an electric motor to each wheel. :p

Homo tree hugging hippy. lol

[Spudly]

Lmfao @ electric poweredness, dont be ghey and source yourself all the bits to build a BTCC engine for it, or failing that use your impressive skills and carve one from a garden gnome or something lol

[MK999]

He's going to cheat and use a turbo for similar power on a budget lol

[L14MNP]

lol I like the idea of being able to do more than 50 miles without a full rebuild.
Not to mention the slight stumbling block of the nigh on £10K required for an STW motor and an XTRAC lol.

Yeah, GTi-R all the way, unless I can find an SR16/20VE. The DET appeals more because it's easlly uprated, cheaper to buy in standard form (no farting on with ECU's etc) and ten a penny though. :thumb:

[draper]

XE it lol

[L14MNP]

LOL Draper. I wanna be fast not last! :p

Gave the O/S/R arch the same treatment last night.

This one had a touch more dirt etc hiding behind the lips and the seam sealer had done a better job of starting to infect the outer quarter. Once again I am thankful of the shells e-coating. :thumb:

http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00098-1.jpg
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00097.jpg
This side would have held it's share of surprised in years to come I'm sure. Guess that's what I get for going an entire winter without washing the car one time. :wtf: So much for the curb side taking the majority of the hammer too. lol
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00002-2-1.jpg
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac157/itsallac0nspiracy/P11/DSC00001-1.jpg

Then I caught my thumb end/nail with the grinders flap wheel and cut a nice little V into myself which pretty much made my thumb useless as some of the sensitive skin from below the nail is burned and protruding so it catches on everything and is annoying - yes I was wearing gloves, but never have the guard on the grinder. Maybe I will put it back on. lol

Plus I had a better offer. My mate has just had some chunky off road tyres fitted to his Range Rover so we went in search of snow. lol

[Danny s-p]

looking good mate

[dj_wudgey]

Lmfao @ electric poweredness, dont be ghey and source yourself all the bits to build a BTCC engine for it, or failing that use your impressive skills and carve one from a garden gnome or something lol

Im with spud btcc lump for the win!

[L14MNP]

Cheers Danny. dj spudly, a reverse head genuine STC lump isn't possible lol.
Not to mention the constant rebuilds required, the fact it would be a tw@t to get through an emissions test and to reigsiter with the DVLA etc etc. You wanna see the graft that needs to go into making a subframe etc for it.

Got some nice large card sheets today from my mates dad who's a printer, so I'm on course for the tubs. Cheers Ad. :thumb:

[discoinferno]

why not just get the 2.0 16v sri lump from the primera and tune that up with some tb's nice manifold, funky cams and pistons you'd be on to a winner

[L14MNP]

I was in the process of doing that mate, but sold the engine.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/ABCD0013.jpg

Turbo power FTW. Much easier than chasing decent N/A figures. Plus if I was going N/A I would want a JDM only SR16VE or SR20VE no a variant of the SR20DE.

I see what you're saying but it's poor bang for buck.

[hybridturbo]

Page 5 :roll:

Where's the tubs ........

[Edd]

Whats happened to this mate ?

You still got it ?

Any updates ?

Or just spending too much time and money following the wrong football team ? :d

[L14MNP]

It's dead! Had no room to continue and it's a money pit. Cheap and cheerful is the name of the game for me atm. I'm wanting to save for something decent out of the box.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/ManorQuay/Volvo%20360/DSC00306.jpg

All useable items are for sale and I'm weighing it in when I CBA to hire a trailer. Roof skin has been acquired to blank off the wheel well on the Volvo. lol

See for sale section for wheels! lol

LOL @ footy team - we're like Man United mate. NEVER quit. Even if your boys think the game is won. :p lol

[Edd]

Shame about this Nissan :(

You was lucky, but I knew you would score

But we won 6-2 this season which makes me happy and got £20 off dad :d

[L14MNP]

We will finish higher. massive progress being made at the club tbf. SAFC have bigger fish to fry than just the local derbies now. :d (lol) I didn't think we would score btw. I'd be happy never having to see another NE derby again if I'm honest - we like our seats to remain anchored to the the ground! lol

If I had a unit I could have kept hold of the Nissan shell, but seriously, why bother when I'd be spending Skyline/Evo etc money!

Like most things in life, I learn this too late. lol

[MK999]

If I had a unit I could have kept hold of the Nissan shell, but seriously, why bother when I'd be spending Skyline/Evo etc money!

Like most things in life, I learn this too late. lol

Because it's never really about what you could get better but what you can build for yourself that you'd be happy with, by the time the novas done I'm sure it would have cost me 3-4k over a few years and I may well be able to get something 'better' for that money, but something built to my spec that I'm perfectly happy with? Doubt it! :)

[Southie]

Awwwww the memories :(

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/wa04_5-1.jpg?t=1265661686

[burgo]

limp your a knob

[Spudly]

limp your a knob




Seconded:cry:

[Asa-James]

Thirded! Was wondering about this the other day, gutted :(

[Edd]

limp your a knob

for supporting Sunderland ? :d

[burgo]

couldnt care less about that, football is crap

[Spudly]

couldnt care less about that, football is crap




Bahahahaha, i love you burgo lol

[Dervy]

really annoys me when you see people starting these really good projects get half way in then decide to just bin it, why bother starting it in the first place, i know some of them have good reasons but when the reason is i got bored or something like that then why waste a good car

[peester]

^^ in reality we would all like every project to succeed; but there are loads of reasons sometimes why they dont get finished..
I think Liamp's slightly jokey/light hearted approach to the post about canning the project is just making people think he didnt care perhaps..
If your hearts not in it anymore; shouldnt waste more money..

[The Simps]

really annoys me when you see people starting these really good projects get half way in then decide to just bin it, why bother starting it in the first place, i know some of them have good reasons but when the reason is i got bored or something like that then why waste a good car


I understand what your saying but this wasnt your average, run of the mill car build. With some builds you cross a line of no return and have every intention of seeing it through but when they are such long builds something else in life can come along and the car gets a back seat.

Shame to see this stop Limp but I know your feelings.

[Iain]

really annoys me when you see people starting these really good projects get half way in then decide to just bin it, why bother starting it in the first place, i know some of them have good reasons but when the reason is i got bored or something like that then why waste a good car

You're implying Liam got half way through? lol

His complete failure and quitter-attitude makes time for Volvo turbo goodness so all is well.

[LEWI007]

Shame to end it Liam.

R.I.P - P11FTM, or whatever the name was :-P

[hybridturbo]

Gutted :(

[Bubba]

ebay the shell....even if you get 200quid its more than weighing it in

[AlexW]

^Not a bad idea... Just list it as Unfinished BTCC Primera lol

[Andy]

That is a shame.
Oh well, i hope to see more trolley jacks on the top of car ramps soon... lol lol lol

[berniesierra]

i had years of building my track cars from scratch then dropped lucky with this ex show car that i am now grafting all the road stuff over from a 98 donor car http://s1091.photobucket.com/albums/i391/berniesierra/ you canfind ex race shells for 1200 quid butsod all fits them you need all the btcc stuff to go with it and that costs **** loads, this car still has all the road car engine mounts, it had btcc front hubs that i have removed.


Bernie



Some further weight saving. Rear seat supports and fixed parcel shelf removed. Seat rails, sound deadening and all other brackets binned too.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture001.jpg?t=1265663414
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture015-3.jpg?t=1265663606
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture018-1.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture004.jpg?t=1265663572


http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture008-1.jpg?t=1265663517
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture005.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture064.jpg?t=1265663669
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture022-1.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture026-1.jpg
Fitted single wiper from a ZX.

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s247/eurojdmp11/Primera/09/Picture027-3.jpg?t=1265663724
New front panel with removable slam.

Apologies for the jumbled up order. I'm copying this from word and another forum. I think that's about it for the older stuff, or all I CBA with.

I will write up a fresh post now with what's been happening lately.

[berniesierra]

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/i391/berniesierra/SAM_0669.jpg gave the link to my whole album its on page 2 feel free to look through

i went through all the touring car rep bit, i looked at buying an ex car bit prices can be a joke people trying to sell them for what they have been and not what they are now i paid 2k for this ex show car i binned all the btcc running gear and it has all the standard engine mounts in place but its had all the arches cut out etc has the big wings, full cage carbon dash so i should have a good circuit car without all the bull