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LEWI007
17-01-10, 10:28 AM
I know ive asked this before..
Is the easiest way to make a nova 5 stud to cut the shafts up and get 5 stud hubs ?
is there no other hubs i can use, like from a zafira or something that would be a straight fit, id rather keep the drums on the back aswell just to keep the process as straight forward as possible.
a mate of mine mentioned 4 to 5 stud adapters but i know nothing about them..
also, are cav turbo wheels the same "wideness" as slabs ?
basically you have to get cav hubs modified, then get conversion shafts, then get a big block engine/box & do a 5 stud rear disc conversion so, basically it will cost you at least a grand, and need some serious skills.....
it would be cheaper to get a marker pen and draw 5 hexagons on your hub caps, which having seen your rear headrests is about right
LEWI007
17-01-10, 10:39 AM
lol Dont start about the headrests theyre in and they work.
Its not that i want 5 stud, i just want to put cav turbo wheels, there must be an easier way ffs...
djbrowney
17-01-10, 10:40 AM
what about the rear mowgli im going to run some vectra grand tourer wheels on mine, rear disks ????
lol Dont start about the headrests theyre in and they work.
Its not that i want 5 stud, i just want to put cav turbo wheels, there must be an easier way ffs...
many men have gone in search of it......
basically, the nova front hubs are too small a diameter to handle getting machined to take 5 stud gm wheels, if you could find a proper old fashioned heavy engineering shop that still does 'metal spraying' they could build a hub up, re machine it & then redrill & tap it, you will be very lucky......
what about the rear mowgli im going to run some vectra grand tourer wheels on mine, rear disks ????
you just fit cav 5 stud rear disks, stubs etc with those conversion plates welded on..
or for lewi007's roughness, it would be possible to get nova rear drum/hub assemblies welded up & tapped out.
LEWI007
17-01-10, 10:53 AM
lol
So is there no other small shaft hubs/drums that would just swap over ?
also someone mentioned getting 5 stud front hubs, and using a big block outer and small block inner shaft welded together. but id have to put rear discs on the back wouldnt i..
lol
So is there no other small shaft hubs/drums that would just swap over ?
also someone mentioned getting 5 stud front hubs, and using a big block outer and small block inner shaft welded together. but id have to put rear discs on the back wouldnt i..
yes, that would work, but you end up with sleeved shafts, they need doing properly by a propshaft repair company, don't think for a second that you & your mates can do it with a couple of bits of waterpipe & a mig
LEWI007
17-01-10, 11:07 AM
Thats that idea down the drain then..lol (joke)
I was thinking maybe someone would have everything i need that i can just buy off them, but propably not going to happen.
there must be some 5 stud hubs i could just swap over..
Thats that idea down the drain then..lol (joke)
I was thinking maybe someone would have everything i need that i can just buy off them, but propably not going to happen.
there must be some 5 stud hubs i could just swap over..
i have already listed the bits you'd need to swap, and a cost!!!!!!!!!!
why do you there must be a simple 5 stud hub that fits straight on a nova???????
the only novas that have had the 5 stud conv done are the ones that have already been heavily modified by owners with the budget or skills to do it.
all the 5 stud conversion stuff is on either big block variants of the cav/cal or from way newer astras etc, and nothing is compatable with the old spanish rotbox
LEWI007
17-01-10, 11:30 AM
Im looking for some adapters, know anything about them ? good/bad idea ?
major problem is the fact that adaptor plates will need to be about 20mm thick simply to get fixings into the 4 stud holes then strong enough to take the stesses of hanging a wheel on them, which means they won't fit under nova arches
and i've just hunted down h&r adaptors & they are about £180 per axle, so 360 per car
After looking in to it. I'd really look at 5stud rear drums. That way you'll keep better braking power. As even with a single line to the rear my brakes are still poo since fitting rear disc. Cant say what/how the fit is as i've yet to get one to have a play with.
Fronts, yes you can use a cut and welded shaft, just make sure its done right.
Dont do it at home! But you'll still need machined down cav/vectra front hubs.
The Simps
17-01-10, 11:47 AM
All my 5 stud stuff is up for sale. Can even sell you a set of turbo wheels.
I have an already converted rear beam using vectra gear. Powder coated carriers and brand new hubs. You would just need the shafts, astra h/brake cable and a small bracket making for the cable.
LEWI007
17-01-10, 11:47 AM
I cant think of anything 5 stud drums come on though cos the cavs have rear discs..
and yeh mowgli ive been looking at those and they are like 2 inches wide they arent going to fit.
im doing some research oer on MIG lol
http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/styling-wheels-interior/420375-corsa-5-stud-conversion-2.html
LEWI007
17-01-10, 11:50 AM
All my 5 stud stuff is up for sale. Can even sell you a set of turbo wheels.
I have an already converted rear beam using vectra gear. Powder coated carriers and brand new hubs. You would just need the shafts, astra h/brake cable and a small bracket making for the cable.
How much, and it would have to be posted aswell :(
also whats the story with the astra handbrake cable and bracket, i dont understand why it is needed, im a noob to this so far.
tbh, will 4 extra bolts actually improve your chances of pleasuring a girl in the back of your nova?????????? No they won't, so is it worth all the effort?????
The Simps
17-01-10, 11:57 AM
Would need to be posted if you don't want to come get it yeah! lol
£200 for the lot as the hubs are brand new & unused with all new bearings.
The mtech kit (below) uses the 1 piece astra cable. You need all the bits bar the plates at top and the shaped metal pieces on the right. You can either get those bits from lmf or get them made up. Or use the cav cables people have mentioned.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/mtechkit.jpg
LEWI007
17-01-10, 11:58 AM
im not doing it for the sake of having extra bolts.
im doing it to put cavalier turbo wheels to change the look of the car.
and for the record lol yes it will make it more pleasure cos she will know that its sittin on turb rims.
LEWI007
17-01-10, 12:02 PM
How much do you want for the wheels and do they have tyres ?
Lewi, a recent copy of PPC mag covered how to get rims pcd altered.
LEWI007
17-01-10, 12:12 PM
Thats possible ? or your making jokes about my bodgeness again ? lol
you get aluminium bar machined to be a tight fit into the stud holes, then loctite them in good and tight, then get the rims machined to suit the pcd of your car......
LEWI007
17-01-10, 12:36 PM
Bet theres not many places does that though, and its expensive ?
scott.parker
17-01-10, 12:48 PM
Bet theres not many places does that though, and its expensive ?
Thought everyone know about this, my dad's mates uncles friend does it for living from Mobile van unit.
LEWI007
17-01-10, 12:53 PM
my dad's mates uncles friend
lol, so he was taking the p1ss then.
like i said i dont know what im talking about im a noob with this stuff.
everybody takes the p1ss on here when you try to get advice.
scott.parker
17-01-10, 12:57 PM
lol, so he was taking the p1ss then.
like i said i dont know what im talking about im a noob with this stuff.
everybody takes the p1ss on here when you try to get advice.
No, my dad's mate's uncle's Friend does it for a living from a mobile service!
lewi007, the ppc mag is december 09 with the hillman imp on the front
Zaffy's,mk4 Astra's and some Vectra's have drums but 5stud.
I've been told that you can use the five stud drum set up from a corsa c, apparently the lot bolts on to a nova beam, I have been told this by a reliable source, not sure how you do the fronts running a small block motor
gtachorley
17-01-10, 01:26 PM
"for the record lol yes it will make it more pleasure cos she will know that its sittin on turb rims"
LOL +Rep
LEWI007
17-01-10, 01:53 PM
Zaffy's,mk4 Astra's and some Vectra's have drums but 5stud.
So i could straight swap 5 stud astra or vectra 5 stud drums for nova rear ones ? then thats the back sorted for turbo rims..
o like graeme said i can put corsa C rear 5 stud drums on and thats that sorted..
just need something that will fir the front without me having to find someone to chop my shafts up and stuff..
and cheers for the rep mate lol
I dont know, you'd have to get them and try lining them up. I have no clue what the bolt patten or anything is like..
Front wise, you wont. You'll have to use big block hubs and there are no cvs that big a big block hub and a nova (28spilne) shaft. Believe me i spent alot of time looking.
djbrowney
17-01-10, 04:58 PM
5 stud dosnt come on any car with drums im affraid
WALLY001, the rears have never ever been the problem, simply fitting cav rear discs has been covered on here times.......
please understand this:
IT IS NOT EASY TO FIT 5 STUD BITS ON THE FRONT
if you got some 5 stud hubs, the outer cv splines will be way different to nova ones, so you have to use cav ones + different wheel bearings.........then they are the wrong size for nova shafts, so you need to buy special ones
you will basically need to spend lots of money getting stuff engineered
this is why it is not easy for people to do on a nova, which is why very few have done it. which is why you can't get a kit off ebay..........
5 stud dosnt come on any car with drums im affraid
Yes it does. There are mk4 Astra's zaffy's and Vectra's that have them.
The Simps
17-01-10, 05:03 PM
If there was a big enough demand for small inner big outer shafts I'm sure Chris Astley would do a batch.
If there was a big enough demand for small inner big outer shafts I'm sure Chris Astley would do a batch.
but they'll take a while.........:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
seriously, if someone was going to offer a kit, they'd make some modified hubs
Sadly tho Si, not enough people trust him anymore. After my last order i'd be very hard pressed to order from him again.
Commercial Propshaft on the valley will cut n shut driveshafts properly for you Lewis.
Listen to these lads. 5 studding the front can't be down without a bit of machining.
The Simps
17-01-10, 05:20 PM
With the exception of the shafts you can use standard carriers, standard bearings and buy already machined 5 stud hubs. Thats what I did. Mine will be up for sale shortly too.
Yep there are places that deal with prop shafts etc. that would cut n shut different shafts so you could get cavy outers to fit nova shafts/inners if you have both sets of shafts!
When i done mines i was putting an XE in so didnt have the shaft problem but basically i got the cavalier hubs machined to fit the nova wheel beariing, a local machine shop i deal with done it for £40!
Rears was the same as doing any other rear disc conversion on a nova where there is plenty of How To's on here.
The Simps
17-01-10, 05:26 PM
Exactly Kev, it really isn't that difficult!
With the exception of the shafts you can use standard carriers, standard bearings and buy already machined 5 stud hubs. Thats what I did. Mine will be up for sale shortly too.
Aye. That's the cheque book racer way. lol
Lewi is more Scrapheap challenge.
The Simps
17-01-10, 05:28 PM
Once you've bought some 2nd hand hubs and paid for the machine work you can buy a pair of machined new ones!!
Once you've bought some 2nd hand hubs and paid for the machine work you can buy a pair of machined new ones!!
Thats it, sometimes when you think your saving yourself some money after you've done it you usually stand back and think "S**t thats ended up costing me more coin and was more hastle than just buying them" :roll:
Its just whatever works for each individual :thumb:
He won't be buying anything lol.
Hole in the fence approach me thinks. lol (The new machined ones must have come down a fair bit btw!)
I still go from Courtenay prices circa 1998. lol
The Simps
17-01-10, 05:37 PM
Chris sells the hubs at £59.77 each. So maybe £130 to your door.
By the time you've bought some 2nd hands £20-30 posted and paid for machine work £40-80 you're not gonna be far off. Also, its the hassle factor AND getting the machine work right which m-tech clearly couldn't. Chris' are proven.
There will obviously people who will argue with those prices but for the normal person thats what you'd have to pay.
Aye. That's the cheque book racer way. lol
Lewi is more Scrapheap challenge.
Oh dear.
Exactly Kev, it really isn't that difficult!
you've just hit the nail on the head...... most stuff on a nova is not difficult, thats part of the charm of them.....but then you get youngsters who aren't prepared to listen because their mate is going to help & his dad told him.....etc........
Very true, my dad once said porn is bad. Shows what Dad's know...
LEWI007
17-01-10, 06:17 PM
Aye. That's the cheque book racer way. lol
Lewi is more Scrapheap challenge.
I think ill have to go cheque book racer this time, it'll be easier to just buy everythuing i need off somebody and swap it over to my car.
Think i better start saving up :(
Its not the cheque book way you c**ts. In this case its the right and only way.
1.3sr_kane
17-05-10, 12:15 AM
whats stopped you from using mk2 cav outer cv's on the nova gsi 22 spline shafts? i know the mk2 cav inners are big block but unsure about the outer..... anyone know? that would save u having to change engine for big block?
blue_peg_16v
17-05-10, 12:43 AM
wouldnt work the outers are the same as novas so too small and the shaft is to small to run a big blosk outer join matt brown in being chastised for this sugestionlol
only joking matey but it wont work
whats stopped you from using mk2 cav outer cv's on the nova gsi 22 spline shafts? i know the mk2 cav inners are big block but unsure about the outer..... anyone know? that would save u having to change engine for big block?
Nova shafts have 28 splines on the outer end for the cv joint.
Cav hubs (big block) are 33iirc,
Cav mk2 16v inners are 22 spline.
Neither will fit on to a Nova shaft.
MattBrown
17-05-10, 05:39 PM
wouldnt work the outers are the same as novas so too small and the shaft is to small to run a big blosk outer join matt brown in being chastised for this sugestionlol
only joking matey but it wont work
I made a valid sugestionlol
Meh, just either do it, or dont do it **** me its been covered afew times, like a good 8+ and ive only been on here 2 years lol
blue_peg_16v
17-05-10, 10:36 PM
I made a valid sugestionlol
Meh, just either do it, or dont do it **** me its been covered afew times, like a good 8+ and ive only been on here 2 years lol
i was joking mate
MattBrown
18-05-10, 07:00 AM
i was joking mate
I knowlol
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