e16se tuning/ peoples spec's!

[corsa-xe1]

hi all, i am buying a e16se engine for my track car, whats the best mod's to do to the engine?

what spec do you have and what power is it making?

also pic's of people's engine bays would be kool:d

[Adam]

How much money???

[Mike]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/engine2.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/engine1.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/TWOC%20Rebuild/141.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/TWOC%20Rebuild/140.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j181/mikenova/TWOC%20Rebuild/136.jpg

[corsa-xe1]

looks nice mike! standard spec?

adam.... got around £600-£700 to spem on it but not all in one month!!!

[burgo]

is there any reason you want an 8v? its just you can get the 16v for the same money, fits the same and is much more tuneable

[corsa-xe1]

i had a c14se corsa road/track car with afew mod's and that pulled very well and was easy to work with so now going with a 1600 to give me a bit more power to start with!!

[philip]

lightened and balanced bottom end with arps
ported head
newman sprint cam and solid followers and some carbs
decent ex manifold and system

should have a pretty nippy motor. i know my mates nova with 1.4 bottom end 1.3 head, full race newman cam and tbs, makes over 115@wheels about 8/8.2k

[corsa-xe1]

sounds about the same spec that i want!

wheres the best place to get the solid lifters from? also what cam to get?

also is there like a group a exhaust system? if not whats the best one to get?

its for a corsa b!

[brucer]

I had a small spec-

270deg reprofiled cam
4 to 1 mani
Stainless system
Lightened flywheel
port and polished head
Arp rod bolts
Uprated valve springs

Will get a pic up later.

[corsa-xe1]

was it a 1400 or 1600? did you ever get it on the rr?

[philip]

get your cam and solid followers from newman cams matey. i find them alot better cam than piper/kent, but thats just what ive found out.

[corsa-xe1]

ok thanks mate, will give them a call when i have my carbs all set-up and ready to go!

i am hoping for 150bhp and rev to 8k :)

[philip]

might be pushing that, but worth a go. just make sure you find someone good to balanced the bottom end.

[corsa-xe1]

well i am hoping for that power etc, we will see how we go!

my old tuning c14se was quick, but run outta steam at 110, but would eat alot of bigger engined corsa's!

so hope a 1600 will be even faster!

[Stuart]

catcams FTW!!!

also, await Dan to come back from his dogging trip to give a nice honest answer ;)

[blue_peg_16v]

agree with stu dans the man to speak to

[brucer]

was it a 1400 or 1600? did you ever get it on the rr?

Was a 1600, never had it dyno'd. But maybe would have seen 110-115bhp if that. Made it quicker for sure, but I loved the burble at idle with the cam and flywheel.

[Dan]

ok ok i am back, been awol for the past 4-6 weeks due to work etc but cant refuse a thread like this lol lol

Ok first point to take into account is bhp figure chasing, bit like pissing in the wind, the theory is good but there is alot more to it and easier options can get the same result.

Torque on these smaller engines is imo just as important so a lower bhp output but a more equal bhp/torque rise can make the difference between a truly fast car and one with fancy figures but nothing to back it up. (also there is nothing better than people assuming you have a different engine or it is pub bhp for you to turn around and let them know they got dicked by a small engine with 'moderate' power)

Dont just look at the engine, changing the final drive in the gearbox and setting the cars suspension/geometry is also as important and generally either over done or worse still not even contemplated

A nice 290 degree cam mated to twin forties and a nice big valve head is the main parts. Rebuilding the bottom end for abit more compression (balance and 1650 etc etc) can also help but not essential for abit of fun. I did it as i prefered to know that i had given the engine the best chance possible to survive, which it did and it still is storming around. Beyond that a good quality exhaust manifold to suit your style of build will help along the way which again is either overlooked or not quite right for the application. Mine with that spec ticked over like a standard engine!!!

Tuning is the next problem, now we ALL know about webber places or have a r/r within earshot which is the best in the world blah blah blah. Its not that easy, setting the carbs correct is a deminishing skill, many claim to do it and have basic settings for general modded engines imo but not many can tweak them for the last bit of power that really does make the difference. My old engine ran chokes bigger than others that had alot larger spec engines, yet for my particular build the car loved them to bits and actually wouldnt even run properly on the chokes it should of run if you went by the book.

Figures, dont believe them, they are for ballpark idea's and references if you use the same r/r. Its how the car drives that counts. An example would be yet again my old one, figures were 142bhp (112@wheels) and 132lbft which is lower than people expect but as i call it honest figures which is best ( the key figure is the torque), now the torque was peaking at between 2 and 2.5k and flat lined through the graph which meant it pulled like a train regardless of gear.

On the qtr it ran 14.3's with ease (only ever ran it in the last guise 3 times on one day and repeated that each time) so lower would of been possible with practice and more attempts. This was a car purely built for track use so it wasnt even as light as it could of been. On track due to the torque and again gearing made it very fast and easy to drive Top end speed is never an issue and never should be, i actually had mine geared to 122mph and that was very rarely seen. Top end speed is again for pub talk imo, never interested me as i feel you loose the essence of what you are building when its a small block engine

My old engine and engine bay

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff163/Dan_R_album/Image00003.jpg

[corsa-xe1]

hi dan, thanks for the info, i am going to be runing it standard for a couple of months then looking to go solid lifters,cam and twin 40's!

it will be rebuilt with apr's,poilshed and ported head,4 branch and enlarged t/b so will see how it goes like that, then go from there!

[stevie78]

thats ma engine now dan and its mental lol

[comptoncj]

I'l let you know what my 1600 makes on the rollers when i take it to get it set up next month. is a e16se, port matched head, twin40s, kent ast 2, kent valve springs, lightend flywheel and soon hopefully a nice 4 branch :)

[corsa-xe1]

sounds good mate! any pic's of said engine?

[comptoncj]

Yeah i have, Here it is at the moment, needs setting up though as it won't idle below about 1200 revs. got to get it MOT'd n Taxed first though.
http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx311/compton251/P050110_2011_01.jpg


http://i767.photobucket.com/albums/xx311/compton251/P050110_2011_02.jpg
:)

[corsa-xe1]

bet it sounds kool

[comptoncj]

Yeah its a sound you never get bored of :P but if my 1300 was anything to go by it uses alot of fuel to make the noise all the time hehe.

[corsa-xe1]

what mpg you get then?

also your cam, could you use that on standard management? or wouldnt the boosh set-up like it?

[comptoncj]

The cam Im using can't be used with injection because of the dizzy drive, urm well when I drove sensibly I got about 40mpg but when I gave it some welly it went down to about 20 i would think.

[corsa-xe1]

kool, whats the best cam to get on standard management then?

well looking good, let us know how you get on with the rr set-up etc

[Plug]

ast1 for standard management

thats the kent cams one not sure on the piper or newman

[corsa-xe1]

ok thanks mate, will keep a eye out for one :)

[Ash]

I have an similar logic to Dan as both other cars are for track, it's all about the drivabilty rather than figures. I've seen my engine spec product 150+bhp, but the power delivery wasn't all that special and the torque curve was more of a low jagged wave. If you run twin 40 carbs the most important advise I can give you is to get them setup right in the first place - DONT do it on the cheap if you want the results. Read the middle bit of my build thread (below) for details.

[corsa-xe1]

just read the thread, very interesting, but putting me off carbs lol

[burgo]

just read the thread, very interesting, but putting me off carbs loldo it once, do it properly!!

[blue_peg_16v]

carbs are fine as long as you get them done properly the problem is finding someone who knows what they are doing with carbs, i used bog brothers and would recomend them to anyone the old bloke is brilliant and hes very reasonable on price cost me £60 last time i had them done for a full rr set up and i was there about 4 hours

[corsa-xe1]

well when i come to getting the carbs set-up i will have to find a good place to do it! as want it set-up right the first time!

[Stuart]

you also want GOOD carbs... cheap ones usually need an expensive rebuild to get them working 100% spot on (ie no bent spindles etc)

[sr jack]

intresting thread this. makes me want to build a engine like dans old one

[corsa-xe1]

intresting thread this. makes me want to build a engine like dans old one

O right does it! this is what i was going to do with your one, but as said the corsa got hit, so cant buy it anymore so just waiting for my money back for you

[OllieKing]

anyone have any pics of the accelerator pedal and how the connected the cables. also any pics of the oil pump all plugged in?

Currently rebuilding a e16se on twin 40's, see my project thread!

[OllieKing]

Anyone any other pics of a 1.6 on twin 40s?

[therealnovaboy]

I agree, the torque delivary is what you are after, especialy on the track and makes it alot more fun to drive. Equally the car must be set up so it can handle the power with a stiff shell and well set up wheel geometary.

my spec is as follows:

full engine rebuild, gaskets bearings rings Ect
lightened and balanced flywheel and crank
port polished head with port matched inlet and exhaust
four branch manifold
ITB's with custom manifold
Emerald programable ECU

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd375/therealnovaboy/7c5f33e7.jpg?t=1316085019

the next step once its up and running will be running to spend the cash on the head with:

a cam suited to when i want the power
a flowed and big valve head hopefuly a BB b+ or the likes
then possibly solid lifters if needed.

not really fussed what power it makes, as long as its fast, faster than other people, and most importantly nice to drive.