25k green nova

[supernovaxe]

im sure a few of you remember the 25K mint green turbo nova that was advertised on ebay a couple of years back, well i was just wondering what happened to it, who bought it? where is it? i dont remember if it sold on ebay but its gotta be in someones garage.... i wonder if theres a build thread somewhere on the interweb

[Mike]

Its currently sitting in my garage.

[Keif]

Question answered, time to lock the thread. lol

[Plug]

/\ someone dreams lol (mike)

i remember the one with the escort cossie hexagonal seats.

got the feature in tv some where around here

[Spudly]

It was featured in TV last year midsummer iirc, was still owned by the tuning place/garage that built it at the time aswell, and the spec was damned impressive, although whether it would work and be reliable remains to be seen, as we all know that no expense spared builds dont always work, look at Rick Drapers build (no offence) but although that had all the dollar and parts in the right places it was just too much!

[Jack]

£10 says it didn't sell for £25k lol

[Mike]

/\ someone dreams lol (mike)

i remember the one with the escort cossie hexagonal seats.

got the feature in tv some where around here

Thats the one hes talking about.

And the last car on earth Id buy again would be a fecking Nova!! Let alone dream about owning that one :S it was a bag of fecking **** with half the bashboard missing :S

[Plug]

drapers was a weapon i loved that nova.

its currently for sale on ebay if you look hard enough lol (the mag feature)

[t45_ste]

It was done by a couple of companys near me. Lad didnt pay up so they kept the car.

The chap who's garage it was in lives of the g/f's close. Will try and find out :)

[RJM25R]

And the car was built originally by a guy from Oldham called Dave Coley who owned Just Nova Spares, it is Caribic Blue with extra green and originally had a x16xe back in 1997, reg begins with NIL.

[supernovaxe]

ye i remember those seats, very nice, i take it theres no build thread if it was built by a garage, id like to know the spec and contact details for the garage that owns, im sure there sick of the sight of it by now so my be up for a reesonable offer? u never knowlol

[RJM25R]

i believe its long gone

[supernovaxe]

gone where, someone must still own it

[Benn]

Pics of this car?

[supernovaxe]

ive searched for picks to no avail, the cars dissapeared, dont be dissapointed ,theres a 24k corsa on ebay at the minlol

[Jack]

gone where, someone must still own it
I doubt it. The garage probably would have broken it up and sold in parts as they'd never get their money back on it as a whole.

[novanil]

Just joined this site, used to be a member many years ago.....Does anyone know where this green nova is???

[t45_ste]

Are you the original owner?

[novanil]

Yes I am can you help?

[t45_ste]

These huys had it for sale............http://www.valegarages.co.uk/index.html

They have a spray shop on the side that i think painted it.

[novanil]

I still have all docs, build pics and keys etc for it, it was my first car when I was 17 and im now 29!

[Nobby]

gone where, someone must still own it

proably to sainsburys shelves, baked beans or tango can? lol

[t45_ste]

These chaps also had a hand in building it i think. They used to be Burnley car audio.

http://www.autographcars.co.uk/autograph.html

[novanil]

The car started being built in Derby and burnley car audio took the project on for me to finish it, I payed a huge ammount of money and they just kept asking for more...crazy when i bought most of the parts!

[t45_ste]

so you never got the car back from them? Have you not spoke to them? How much did you put into it if you dont mind me asking?

[novanil]

Ive got receipts for over 50k since I got the car at 17, me and my pal got bored adding up at that point! No never got it back, I just cut my losses when they started being funny with me. I had payed for all the stereo and most of it was already in the car along with the roll cage, seats etc. I have got pics to show it had every new panel on it all genuine parts, even bought new door seals, window runners, lights, motors etc!

[novanil]

Id like to try and get the car back

[t45_ste]

cut your losses???????? You nutter. Are you going to call vale? They had a cheek to have it up for 25K. How much would you say they have in it?

[Connor]

50k :eek: holy fucck
How come they took the car off you?

[novanil]

Gonna give them a call defo. I knew they had put it up for sale but that was a crazy ammount. All the receipts are at my friends house with what I payed them, Im gonna go get them tomorrow and just see how much they had. They may have a few thou left in it max

[novanil]

They didnt take it off me, they wouldnt give it me back, they wanted too much money to settle the bill and i was disputing it.

[t45_ste]

Can i ask what they wanted off you? Did you go to the CAB?

[Edd]

Just go and get IMO

If someone was fooking me about like that, and if everything is true what you've said, I would go and get it back

Did you agree a price then they wanted more ?

[novanil]

I had known them for a while and trusted them to finish the project for me, they were only doing the ice build for me but when the first garage fooked it up they said they would complete it for me. They kept saying it would be ready in a few weeks and that turned to months/years! They wanted 10k in the end and I had already payed them a huge sum of money.

[wilson_sri]

Why the hell would you leave it with them??

I had a smilar issue with a garage a few years ago. Kept demanding money, which i refused as could not see where it was going. They initially refused to give me the car back, so i got on the case to trading standards who told me that was illegal. They have to give you the car back, as it is legally yours. And then they would have to take it up in court. So i took that to them, and took the car away after threatening them with getting the police down which you can do as well.

Do you still have the v5?

[novanil]

Whats the cab? they wanted another 10K!

[wilson_sri]

Whats the cab? they wanted another 10K!
Tell them to take it up in court, they have no right to keep a car they do not own.

[novanil]

Yes I do Ive got all the paperwork and all receipts for everything.

[t45_ste]

citizens advice bureau

[novanil]

Im just trying to track the vehicle down and if they have it still I'm looking at trying to get it back.

[wilson_sri]

Report it stolen.

[novanil]

tried CAB!! and they were not much help

[novanil]

Thought about that but was unsure if to get the police involved, I'm older now and a bit more confident!

[wilson_sri]

tried CAB!! and they were not much help
Try trading standards, they were a great help when i had a similar issue. They gave me template letters to send them and plenty of advice.

[Edd]

Erm if they sold it and you have the V5, that's theft and selling stolen goods

Never mind the CAB I'd be down the cop shop

[novanil]

Thanks guys for your advice ill keep u posted with what happens. Will try put some pics up if I can figure out how to!

[wilson_sri]

Hope you get it sorted bud.

[Brasso93]

never saw this nova but sounds like a good motor hope it gets sorted

[t45_ste]

Hope you get it sorted. Try and get some photos up.

Also I work with a guy who friends with vale and burney car audio. Do you want me to say anything?

[S1 RST]

I know exactly where the car is right know I've even done work on it last year
Car was bought legally, receipt and V5 both there, I know the new owner would like the receipts if you are willing to hand them over?
It was sold well over 2yrs ago

I don't want this reply to turn to **** please the new owner bought the car in good faith, and has spent a fortune on.
It made 350bhp+ then the inlet started leaking it was put in the garage and not been touched since as he already has another nova gsi turbo and a 991 997 twin turbo

[novacabrio]

Interesting turn up, why did you leave it so long?

[Mieran]

Why did you remember to get it back now?

By the sounds of it, its been a good few years.

Try to get it back though if you can.

[Big_Chap]

I don't mean to sound like a d**k but how can you spend 50k on a nova? I just can't see where that amount of money can go! Even with numerous paint changes etc and high end let rebuilds.

[Edd]

^^^^ very true

So,

Lad takes nova to have work done
Can't afford/doesn't agree with final cost
Gives up and leaves it with company doing work
They apply for the V5 document so the can sell to reclaim cash

Did you get a letter from the DVLA asking if you were the keeper of the veichle? Should of said if no reply they will issues the V5 to the applicant

If you had this letter and ignored it, game over

If not they've stolen it
Then they sell it on
As above someone has continued to spend cash
Tbh as it's got this far your out of luck IMO

What ever has happened you need to go to the cops tbh, can't see you sorting it another way

[NOVA saloon]

Got that feeling this is going to an interesting thread.

[Angus Closier]

Just seems strange its taken this long. If i had that sort of money tied up id have done somthing sooner?

[Andy]

I smell someone with a 2nd account L33 LEG Stylee................

[MattBrown]

50k in a nova?

Could have had a half decent ex wrc imprezza for that.

[Mazz]

Interesting thread...but 50k :eek:

[draper]

I smell someone with a 2nd account L33 LEG Stylee................


agreed

something doesnt seems dodgy


IBTL lol

[L14MNP]

50k in a nova?

Could have had a half decent ex wrc imprezza for that.

Or two Supertourers? lol

10/15 + years ago you couldn't! A lot of you don't seem to be aware of how much it used to cost for ICE installs, custom bodywork, even stuff like a set of 17" wheels were once £900+! It easily adds up!

Plus, yeah he spent £50K, but I guarantee you it wasn't all in one go. Things add up over time!


Agreed with the above, this is going to have an interesting outcome.

[MattBrown]

Or two Supertourers? lol

10/15 + years ago you couldn't! A lot of you don't seem to be aware of how much it used to cost for ICE installs, custom bodywork, even stuff like a set of 17" wheels were once £900+! It easily adds up!

Plus, yeah he spent £50K, but I guarantee you it wasn't all in one go. Things add up over time!


Agreed with the above, this is going to have an interesting outcome.

I was looking through old max powers.

And fair play, stuff is so cheap now!

Wheels where a grand, suspention £500 odd

Then bodywork was dear etc, bodykits £700, then fitting.

I could see 20k there, but not 50k.

[bazil]

This thread reminds me of sloth's cavalier lol

anyway to date I've put over £16k into my nova over 10 years, I expect by the time it's finished it will be over double that,

[peester]

Build work was done for him so it'll be the labour costs that hand a big hand in the costs mounting.

[L14MNP]

I had over £20K in a Primera. I could see £50K disappearing frighteningly easily when you add in labour tbh!

Matt, he says he has receipts for over £50K, but that doesn't mean it was all on the incarnation of the car that we have seen. I bet many parts have come and gone.

Courtenay used to charge circa £7K for an LET conversion too iirc.

[MattBrown]

I had over £20K in a Primera. I could see £50K disappearing frighteningly easily when you add in labour tbh!

Matt, he says he has receipts for over £50K, but that doesn't mean it was all on the incarnation of the car that we have seen. I bet many parts have come and gone.

Courtenay used to charge circa £7K for an LET conversion too iirc.

Yeah, but their robbers lol

Leighboor kills most builds, especially if you havent got the time/space/money etc.

I dont think I would put more then 10k into a nova, I could have my 3 door cossie thenlol

[Big_Chap]

I started off in the 10-15yr ago era, iirc even brett w's car advert stated 25k spent!

He said 50k before it went to this garage who wanted 10k therefor 60k in total?....

As above, wouldn't be surprised if it's a wind up

[novacabrio]

Easily could be £50k if your paying for someone to do the work! I have silly amouns of receipts with my car, £1k for a 6 disc CD changer? Scary how much things cost!

[Ben]

£1k for a 6 disc CD changer!

State of the art cutting edge equipment has just reached the highlands i see!

[MattBrown]

State of the art cutting edge equipment has just reached the highlands i see!


lol

Hes not that far northlol

[TeddyThom]

lol

Hes not that far northlol

Could be worse, it could be cornwall...



lol

[novalicous]

intresting thread but i tend to agree with Andy on this one

[nova_stee]

Word of advice dont try get it back of the lad that has it now it will end nasty.

[Pistol Pete]

This thread reminds me of sloth's cavalier lol


LMFAO....what he said!!!

[dave watson]

i think its wierd how a thread starts up about this car then the original owner joins png within the same few days mmm no one got any pics i want too see this car i feel im missing out

[Liam]

i think its wierd how a thread starts up about this car then the original owner joins png within the same few days mmm no one got any pics i want too see this car i feel im missing out

The thread was created over a year ago but it does sound a bit suspicous how the original owner took over 10 years to track it down :confused:

[dave watson]

well liiam it seems strange now that hes joind in the last few days and just went stright to this thred ;)

[gazz]

here it is £25k (http://www.barryboys.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=614543)

[Derick-Sport]

that thread just reminded me what a bunch of thick arrogant ****s barryboys members are. Type of 'petrolhead' that says, 'yea just got the new mondeo 1.8 lx, goes like stink'

reading that thread got me quite angry lol

[Lee H]

Or two Supertourers? lol

10/15 + years ago you couldn't! A lot of you don't seem to be aware of how much it used to cost for ICE installs, custom bodywork, even stuff like a set of 17" wheels were once £900+! It easily adds up!

Plus, yeah he spent £50K, but I guarantee you it wasn't all in one go. Things add up over time!


Agreed with the above, this is going to have an interesting outcome.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Over the course of 10 years you don't realise what you have spent on bits and pieces unless you add it up and keep a running total which I stopped doing at about £10k.

[BongMong]

is this it on petrol heads??

http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/2781/2781070-1.jpg

[brainsnova]

Nope this is it

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u331/Brain_missing/dd41cb57.jpg

[S1 RST]

i think its wierd how a thread starts up about this car then the original owner joins png within the same few days mmm no one got any pics i want too see this car i feel im missing out

I go see the car this weekend and get some upto date pictures, and his other nova gsi turbo:)

[t45_ste]

I believe the bloke who says it his. The story he gives is what i heard years ago from one of the lads a burnley car audio.

He also used to say there was 50K in it.

Im also guessing the car is in cumbria somwhere?

[NOVA saloon]

Word of advice dont try get it back of the lad that has it now it will end nasty.

Oh my days I been waiting for a comment like this. lol
All seems wired to me. Meh

[nova_stee]

Oh my days I been waiting for a comment like this. lol
All seems wired to me. Meh
He can crack on for me only giving the lad advice.

[dave watson]

Nope this is it

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u331/Brain_missing/dd41cb57.jpg

yep i know it now it use to be my theme on my bebo page when i was 14 15 lol

[S1 RST]

He can crack on for me only giving the lad advice.

correct last person i'd wanna upset

[SRimon]

I know peoples builds run away from them, but really? I can't see 50k in it, 20-25 possibly, doesn't look as well finished as say Bretts and neither does it have half of the expensive rally additions. World's most expensive labour if it was 50k.

[S1 RST]

I know peoples builds run away from them, but really? I can't see 50k in it, 20-25 possibly, doesn't look as well finished as say Bretts and neither does it have half of the expensive rally additions. World's most expensive labour if it was 50k.

How do you know have you seen it?

Best spec nova I've seen for the price that was paid for it

[SRimon]

No and i'm not picking a fight to say it isn't worth 10k, but my mates LET build which lets be honest is the lion share of value wouldn't be anywhere near the cost of that - he had 450ish on standalone.

Add 5-6k for the shell, I can't honestly see it past 25k.

[Ben]

but as said its probably not £50k to get it to its current guise, i know people who have spent 20-30k on novas but you could build a complete replica of there cars for £10k but they have done all the trial and error to get it there.

[Benn]

is this it on petrol heads??

http://cdn.images.pistonheads.com/aimg/2781/2781070-1.jpg

This one is a guy on Mig.

[thedjse]

Interesting thread,

Main thing that is bothering me is where does a 19Y/O get 50k

I cant see 50k in this either copy of receipts posted up would be good

[marc69]

regarding the guy who says the car is actually his and the garage wouldn't let him take it back.

I have had 2 experiences,

1, not so serious but had work agreed to be done on my first Nova by a cowboy garage, they also replaced bits without asking permission so the bill was far bigger. I told them i would be back in 1 hour and that all the original bits will be back on the car, do not do anything without my agreed consent. Needless to say they also did some nasty bits like removed the thermostat, removed the clips that help the radiator and just put plastic ties in. They will never recieve my business or anyone I know again.

2. I had a mini which was put to a guy to put a new front end on, he said it would be 3 weeks, well 6 years later it was still lying minus the front end, I turned up with a mates trailer and removed it, it is my property and he had not completed the work agreed. end of story, my car!

[Will F]

So the lesson here kids?

Dont pay cowboys - do the work yourself.

Or at least take it to someone you know and/or trust

[andybishop]

I stopped counting at around £30K on my Nova, It all add's up. Mine has been over the last 14 years or so. Originally paying a company to fit the 16v engine, £1000 for a set of Speedlines from Courtney about 13 years ago, various suspension and brake setups, numerous resprays. I learnt from my mistakes and fitted Turbo Engine ourselves. As someone has said it was trial and error back in the day and I could build it for less than 10k again. Money is recouped by selling stuff though which isn't taken in account...

[Mike]

Money is recouped by selling stuff though which isn't taken in account...

Nail head.

On another note, AFPMSL at this whole entire farce of a thread lol lol its a forking skip on wheels anyway lol lol lol

[cooltom31]

need to see more pics of this car!!

[RJM25R]

Sounds strange in the least. Surely Novanil will have some photo's of the car?

Pics or GTFO!

[mowgli]

why is everyone bitching about the cost... garage labour costs a lot. end of argument...

[mr5050]

pics of this car please, loving the colour, spec list would be noice

[MK1_Ben]

Nice bump Batman

[S1 RST]

I will be getting full spec list of the owner this weekend & some detailed photo's

[ocdstigy]

Still no pictures of receipts or the car,must say im not at all suprised lol lol

[Cle]

Took me about 2 mins

http://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos9/biboooebaynova1.JPG
http://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos9/biboooebaynova2.JPG
http://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos9/biboooebaynova3.JPG
http://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos9/biboooebaynova4.JPG
http://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos9/biboooebaynova5.JPG

[ocdstigy]

The only 5 pictures ive ever seen of this car lol

[nova_stee]

Now owned by the same person with the silver corsa c with rs tuning on the side that was at totb.
Also being broken as far as am aware, best place for it aswell spec aint all that and it looks terrible

[ocdstigy]

Now owned by the same person with the silver corsa c with rs tuning on the side that was at totb.
Also being broken as far as am aware, best place for it aswell spec aint all that and it looks terrible

Anymore pictures of the Nova?

[Cle]

Make: Vauxhall/Opel
Model: Nova
Consumer Price: 24,995.00 GBP
Type: Other
Doors: 2
Colour: Green metallic
First Registration Date: 1990/01/01
Mileage: 50,000 Miles
Power: 440 BHP
Transmission: Manual
Condition: Used
Number of Seats: 2
Left/ Right-Hand Drive: Right Hand Drive

[pie]

and its still only a nova f lol

[ocdstigy]

^^^ lol lol

[brainsnova]

Take all the bits off and still not be able to shift the shell for £500 lol

[nova_stee]

It NEVER sold for the asking price a friend of mine bought it from the person selling it on ebay and owned it 3 years and payed less than half

[Bubba]

anyone who would pay £25k for a nova should be locked up

[nova_stee]

anyone who would pay £25k for a nova should be locked up
You must not be able to read i take it?
Just because it is advertised for that price didnt mean it sold for that price,theres a nova sport interior on piston heads for 1k but wont sell for that.

[Bubba]

You must not be able to read i take it?
Just because it is advertised for that price didnt mean it sold for that price,theres a nova sport interior on piston heads for 1k but wont sell for that.

nah, down in cornwall we lack the most basic of skills such as reading and writing.

[Mike]

anyone who would pay £2.5k for a nova should be locked up

Edited for truths.

[Bubba]

i almost posted it saying £25 lol which also is true

[Mike]

i almost posted it saying £25 lol which also is true

Mike likes this.

[brainsnova]

£12,500 could of bought a 911 turbo lol

[RJM25R]

Novanil reckoned he owned the car 12 years, but I have found out recently that a lad in Oldham called Mark Jablonski owned it from 2001-2004... Just another chain Yanker on here.

[Graeme]

£12,500 could of bought a 911 turbo lol

Not everyone that has twelve and a half grand to spend on a car can buy a 911

[svlet]

Not everyone that has twelve and a half grand to spend on a car can buy a 911
Yeah but do you think he spent 12.500 to use a nova as a Daily it will be a toy just like a 911

[Southie]

It looked alright I suppose with its Blockbuster seats lol.

http://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos9/biboooebaynova2.JPG

http://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos9/biboooebaynova3.JPG

http://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos9/biboooebaynova4.JPG

http://www.barryboys.co.uk/photos9/biboooebaynova5.JPG

[Alex J]

those seats are from an escort cosworth or gti aint they?

[Southie]

Yep RS Cosworth seats

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/TurboCav220/Picture059.jpg

[sama]

http://i967.photobucket.com/albums/ae160/sama1cars/novapics1.jpgI built my autotest nova in 2003 this is the break down sheet of what i spent not including labour.Many years of development and 1 more total rebuild only god knows what i have spent over the years

[Mike]

Aye, Escos seats from a Non Lux model.

[Edd]

Looks like it could almost be on barry boys lol

Looks like its be thrown together for £25 never mind £25k

Shocking rad/fan installation, biscuit tin above the gearbox looks awful, plus all of the other crap makes it hideous imo

[dan16v]

Aye, Escos seats from a Non Lux model.

Lux came with cloth recaros as standard, leather was an extra option:thumb:

[Bubba]

£250 on THREE novas???

[Mike]

Lux came with cloth recaros as standard, leather was an extra option:thumb:

IFAIK the Lux's only came with the red type Hexdiag seats didnt they? Not the grey black?

[dan16v]

Standard or Motorsport cars came with basic karmen seats, lux came with either grey, red or green hex recaros. Red is rare, green is mega rare! Then the option of the raven leather.
And then the montes had raven flow cloth I think! (looks like sick!)lol

[Mike]

Standard or Motorsport cars came with basic karmen seats, lux came with either grey, red or green hex recaros. Red is rare, green is mega rare! Then the option of the raven leather.
And then the montes had raven flow cloth I think! (looks like sick!)lol

Aaaaaaahhhh I see lol

Monte interior's dire (IMO!) Only good thing about it is the gearknob/handbrake button lol lol

[dan16v]

Yes it is weird! Tho I sort of wish I'd got a jewell violet monte over my diamond white lux, just abit more special!

[Mike]

Yes it is weird! Tho I sort of wish I'd got a jewell violet monte over my diamond white lux, just abit more special!

God no lol they look lovely in white, espcially with Morettes! Suits them to a tee IMO.

[sama]

£250 on THREE novas???
9 years ago you could pick nova's up for buttons because there was still loads around and the price of scrap was not a fraction of what it is now.

[Southie]

The red blockbuster style seats were errrm lovely :roll: lol

http://www.rscosworthbreakers.co.uk/breaking/DSC00901.JPG

[dan16v]

lol they look great in the car! I managed to get some red hex for my car in p/x for the grey, really wanted the green but just to hard to get it seems.

[Andy]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5_G332Q-_tRkr-efY-m6VEHtKV5GdnuJaEYIz8xbWkasRgZD3

[mowgli]

Can i have a pee please bob?

[Andy]

Its on challenge sometimes is blockbusters,the early 90's student contestant look is fukkin hilarious.
Either A)-They havent washed for weeks and have long greasy hair or B) They havent washed for weeks and look like dangerous sexual predators lol lol lol

[svlet]

I think my mate has the green ones I'll find out.
His dinning room chairs consist of 6 leather sierra cosworth front seats very cool I'll try get a picture next time I go round

[Dan]

Its on challenge sometimes is blockbusters,the early 90's student contestant look is fukkin hilarious.
Either A)-They havent washed for weeks and have long greasy hair or B) They havent washed for weeks and look like dangerous sexual predators lol lol lol

So all in all like a holiday up north lol lol

[RJM25R]

And then Bob holness dies....

[mowgli]

any chance that you lot can insult that smug b4stard off eggheads with the bright shirts...its a scientific experiment

[Ben]

Kevin is a quiz god!

[Tim]

didnt really appreciate blockbusters as i was a bit young. But countdown, now your talking, and if im honest there is only 1 reason to watch...................



http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j307/t1mmmmy/rev3h.jpg

mmmmm yum yum

[mowgli]

ahem???
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHLeFd2ct3S4AsSxbh6Jtnw_So0YwYU Emx1B9wJY95wRFsFb1A

mind you, she did start off looking like this...
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRP1iYi7pLgKwcoNvjJ6BRfiVmKleVN7 BNl2R2g47ztp8LcxIr3

[pikey1986]

i'd bang them both

[Southie]

This is a corker lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFthbY1g0XU

[pikey1986]

lollol

[womble sri]

HAHA brilliant, I also like the 'C*ntflaps' one and when the contestant wins but using 'w*nker'

[L14MNP]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRP1iYi7pLgKwcoNvjJ6BRfiVmKleVN7 BNl2R2g47ztp8LcxIr3

i'd bang them both


:|

[mowgli]

/\ lol lol lol

[Southie]

Narcolepsy lover then Pikey :eek: lol

[pikey1986]

dead or alive is fine for me lol