small block 1.6 16v

[daverobson]

right i might be able to get one of these from a mate who will be removing from a corsa gsi. would only be intrested in using this engine if i could get rid of the sh1tty standerd inlet setup.
how do i go about doing this? eg. best tb's to get? what management to run?
and any tips on doin the conversion (tho have looked in 'how to's') or any site's or information any one can give to me about these engines and how to get them to a resonable bhp (120-130) without spending maga bucks would be much appreciated:thumb: i have tried searching threads but come up with to vauge answer.

cheers, dave.

[Southie]

Which GSI engine is it? C16xe or X16xe?? Hopefully it's the C16 as you won't have too worry about any of the immobilisor setup. If it's the X16 then make sure you have all the ignition barrel, key and transponsor or the whole thing is a nightmare.

Does it have a plastic or metal one?
If the plastic one then it's going to be a C16xe (look on the head to confirm) and you will need to get hold of a X16xe (the later GSI or sport) inlet.


If it's got the metal inlet then this is all you'll need.
1. Buy an aftermarket inlet (similar to the Mantzel ones) as seen on eBay £170 posted
2. Get a stainless exhaust bought, manifold about £180-£400 depending on quality, the rest about £250
3. Run the engine on a F13 flywheel and clutch as the flywheel is smaller than the pot type, this will help with the engines revving more freely and not bhp.
4. Buy a decent airfilter about £80.

This is basically all I've done on my C16xe and it recently got 140hp, I still think it's a little high mind but it will get you on the cheaper end of performance, before you are entering the throttlebodies and aftermarket management.

Finially here is a thread regarding fitting the engines http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129462

Cheers David

[daverobson]

rep given :thumb:
really want to know what engine he has now, cheers for all the info

[Stanley]

/\ /\ was going to offer similar advice!

Theres a guy on Corsasport selling these inlets for ~£120. Mantzel replicas. MUST have mod for these engines.

As above, if getting an X16XE, make sure you get the key and ignition barrel transponder as you will struggle lots otherwise!

Good engines these, very restricted :cool:

EDIT: £138 Delivered - Heres a link http://www.corsasport.co.uk/board/viewthread.php?tid=428645

[daverobson]

with the other inlets does it get rid of the 'overly' loud induction noice that you tend to hear from these motors with an air filter? because my mates corsa sport 1400 makes loads of noice and not as much power.

[phazer]

You may get more noise but you will get more power. I ran my 1.6 on a Velos torque tube with a 57i and it sounded very nice, but then I don't find throttle bodies too loud lol

It's worth saying that a lot of people find low down torque lacking on the standard map with a Mantzel type setup so if you think you might want more power later it might be worth looking at mappable management.

I wasn't going to go for TB's but the choice was easier as I had the DTA from the outset. Mapping isn't cheap though!

[daverobson]

well i dont have alot of money lol, did want a big block 2l 8v. but being 19 and only being on apprentice money i wouldnt be able to run it. ive alkways wanted to keep it small block, and normaly prefur 8v. but with the performance levels coming from this engine and being offerd one for next to nothing, i thought i would find out more.
cheers for all the advice.

[valvercorsa]

Love the small block xe's they cool. I smashed a piston in my x16xe so fitted a x14xe in as it was cheap. I running 1.6 inlet(injectors etc), ecu, 4-2-1 manifold, powerbox. Its got loads of power at topend of rev range but nothing at low end lol

[Adam]

Daverobson-Forget 2L 8v's, you can easily get the same power from a 1600 16v plus it'll cost less insure, it weighs less etc too.

My old x16xe had-
Copied mantzel inlet(one of the £150 jobbies)
4-2-1 exhaust manifold
Full exhaust with decat
Kent cams(very mild cams tho hardly worth mentioning!)

And it made a genuine 127bhp at the rev limiter. With a higher limiter it would have made more power, over 130 easily..
Note i said GENUINE too as it made it on a RR that was giving out spot on readings even compared to Track N Roads RR(probably most honest rr in the uk)

And it didnt cost much to do either!

My old one:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/DSCN0160.jpg

[daverobson]

thanks, has anyone got any more pictures of said engine in nova?
cheers

[phazer]

This was in Velos Torque Tube guise ('scuse the odd squirl on the grill lol):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/phazer_mig/DSCF0011-1.jpg
And in current TB setup:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/phazer_mig/_L5I0822.jpg

[Southie]

Here's mine. http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/SOUTHIE01/MINE/NBCNWrollingroad310-10-09.jpg

[tom reid]

Here's mine, on bike carbs and megajolt
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3502/3699430068_2d503ccbe3_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16764489@N05/3699430068/)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2533/3699424126_b90861c7ac_m.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16764489@N05/3699424126/)

[comptoncj]

Ive got an top inlet manifold for sale chap

[daverobson]

what standerd?

[John]

Phazer, you have any better pics of that velos torque tube? did it attatch to the standard lower half inlet? What power did it make?

[phazer]

It was the full job, custom made inlet flange, custom runners and the 'bean can' lol IIRC it made around 127bhp on the most aggressive map but I think we settled on about 120-125 on a more road friendly map. Decent amount of torque but forget the numbers. Power was still rising at the rev limit (7.5k). Must be how these engines are, Noble said the same when they re-mapped it on the throttle bodies at 7750!

The runners were re-welded as I had the development version which was originally the other way around running a cossie throttle plate. Here's a better pic. I might have some off the car somewhere...I'll take a look
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/phazer_mig/DSCF0037.jpg

[phazer]

Happy New Year All

Found the plenum pics (and a load of old Nova tecnical stuff and pics!) while tidying an old PC. Anyway, here you go:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/phazer_mig/DSCF0127.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/phazer_mig/DSCF0125.jpg

[Count Vaux Alot]

Phazer some good pics there did you sell it on? Do you know if any of the standard manifold was used or whether it was build from scratch?

[peester]

velos, wow... takes me back those pics.. i remeber velos' red t.b'd 190bhp 1.6 16v nova and theyre '82 brown o.e-look 1.6 16v torque-tubed nova, just before they closed down..

[Adam]

Dont see many of those torque tubes about these days!

Looks like it was a standard inlet, cut and then the plenum tigged onto the runners

[AlexW]

Just like to say, even standard there not bad in a nova. My 1.4 is no slower than my tigra 1.6. Weight is a massive issue!

[John]

Top pics Phazer! Never seen one close up!

[phazer]

Phazer some good pics there did you sell it on? Do you know if any of the standard manifold was used or whether it was build from scratch?

I believe it was made from scratch. Not sure where they got the flange from but they used to use an engineering shop (they made the manifold for my TB's as well). I know it wasn't Bogg Bros.

Sold it on years ago. It worked really well, only sold it 'cos got the TB bug - I drove their Red 'thing' and that was pretty much it lol

[phazer]

velos, wow... takes me back those pics.. i remeber velos' red t.b'd 190bhp 1.6 16v nova and theyre '82 brown o.e-look 1.6 16v torque-tubed nova, just before they closed down..

That Torque tube is off the Red thing, that's why the runners are welded. They ran it the other way around with a cossie throttle and various other bits. It was pretty quick! And the brown shed, that would probably have been the quickest 1.6 ever given that most of the shell was missing!

[phazer]

Top pics Phazer! Never seen one close up!

Cheers chap. You thinking of making your own plenum?

[Count Vaux Alot]

Cheers chap. You thinking of making your own plenum?

I'm thinking of making my own inlet :thumb:

[phazer]

You gonna post a WIP? Be interested to see how you get on.

[Count Vaux Alot]

Already have a small WIP here mate lol LINK (http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109412) the small block content is close to the end if you haven't a spare three days to read through it all :thumb:

[phazer]

lol nice one. I don't look in there often as I lose waaaaay too many hours :thumb: