roll cage pics into engine bay

[deanwilko]

hi does anyone have pictures of where the rollcage comes from the a pillars into the engine bay and onto the strut tops as im extending mine and cant fine any good pictures

[Nick J]

Id search for some of Will Foy's maybe on the billing threads.... There's not many others that have so much of a comprehensive cage on here I dont think.

Edit..........

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p72/wiggardywoo/SS102675.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Billing%2009/DSCF0515.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Nova-crew/Billing%2009/DSCF0512.jpg

Nick.

[sulphur]

What about Lee's old track car?

[djbrowney]

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130375&page=6

a little bit in there ^

[deanwilko]

http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130375&page=6

a little bit in there ^

thanks very much. dont suppose your willing to take a few pics for me.

[burgo]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/sclurgess/nova16.jpg

search for cp's thread aswell as there was quite detailed pics of how he did it

[Adam]

Nova_Ians done it on his too iirc.

Also, Will F's shell

[mrT]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/sclurgess/nova16.jpg

search for cp's thread aswell as there was quite detailed pics of how he did it

:eek: that looks ruff as fook,pointless to:wtf:

[burgo]

please explain as to why you think its pointless??

also i made end caps to tidy it up

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/sclurgess/nova36.jpg

[BRoadGhost]

"pointless" lol ~ next you could tell us there's no value in adding the weight if you don't crash it.

[blue_peg_16v]

:eek: that looks ruff as fook,pointless to:wtf:

rigidity isnt pointless and that isnt a finished pic

[Hobbit]

I'll stick some pics of mine (lee's old track car.) when i get in from work.

[Benn]

"pointless" lol ~ next you could tell us there's no value in adding the weight if you don't crash it.

Pics!

[Rick Draper]

:eek: that looks ruff as fook,pointless to:wtf:

Are you a total retard? Try telling any BTCC/WRC team its pointless. I think your wasting of ait is pointless tbh ftw wop

[George g]

:eek: that looks ruff as fook,pointless to:wtf:

I almost agree with this guy here, but only about the picture the guy posted. The triangulated strut tops and linking them to the roll cage is a great idea, however execution of it is crucial. I would be tempted to say The one in the picture won't do a great deal (possibly a little with the boxing) as the strut top will shear and bend in a crash (although if you have proof of it otherwise then please accept my apologies - I.e. custom cages welded that). Btcc/wrc cars all have them going to the rear of the strut top to stop that and they are plated to spread the load.

Don't get me wrong, its a great idea, but like the rest of the roll cage, ain't gonna help much if it ain't done right.

If you search on Google "strut to triangulation" you will get some good pictures of it. Hth

[mrT]

Are you a total retard? Try telling any BTCC/WRC team its pointless. I think your wasting of ait is pointless tbh ftw wop

your a mongo,as george g said,in what way do you think that is gonna provide any protection,it would shear of like a twig,and rapeher ever seen a wrc car with the cage there,no as it is pointless,its gotta be behind the strut as you know,end of the day if thats how you think it should be then crack on:tard:

[stevie-p]

someone got smart after reading a post

[Mike]

Its called Forward Triangulation for those that dont know.

[vauxboi88]

it also stops the car bending after being airborne as i have seen a few times now other wise it will bend in the middle with or without a cage

[Olly755]

your a mongo,as george g said,in what way do you think that is gonna provide any protection,it would shear of like a twig,and rapeher ever seen a wrc car with the cage there,no as it is pointless,its gotta be behind the strut as you know,end of the day if thats how you think it should be then crack on:tard:

Pretty much total rubbish.

Hard worked Nova shells have a habit of kinking in the middle at the scuttle/firewall. Easy to spot by two kinks at the base of the A pillars.

Forward triangulation welds/bolts to the inner wing as shown in the pics, and stops the strut top heading skywards rather than backwards, while also keeps the inner wing/front corner in place in the event of a head on.

It was good enough for the works Group A cars to be done this way. They were bolted.

Rally or modified caged Nova's without it should be ignored IMHO.

Got a works (Pilbeam) bolt in cage in my rally car. Will take some piccies.

[Mike]

it also stops the car bending after being airborne as i have seen a few times now other wise it will bend in the middle with or without a cage

It doesnt bend in the middle as such, it bends the chassis legs, an you end up having to chop out & replace the entire front corner right back upto the firewall. That is a mega ball ache to do aswell unfortunatly.

You can porta power it out, but it ends up rought as fook and the metal fatigue can weaken the chassis legs immensly.

[burgo]

you know what i dont know what they were thinking when building the group A novas

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/sclurgess/imadumbarse.jpg

[Mike]

^ lol lol thats pretty shocking really lol

EDIT: As in, it doesnt look tied in very well at all

[Mark]

It's funny that even Custom Cages seem to think it's ok...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/CorsaNova/vauxhallnova.jpg

Tidyed up with plates I bet it's just as strong as the CC one..

[Will F]

Oh dear - I had better nip out and remove mine then! lol

My build thread has loads in it - when it was a bare shell too, so no nasty XE gubbins getting in the way!;)

[George g]

It's funny that even Custom Cages seem to think it's ok...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/CorsaNova/vauxhallnova.jpg

Tidyed up with plates I bet it's just as strong as the CC one..

Fair play. I think i have been proven wrong :thumb:. Personally, i dont think its too good, but if custom cages think it is then i cant really argue with it... :)

[burgo]

Fair play. I think i have been proven wrong :thumb:. Personally, i dont think its too good, but if custom cages think it is then i cant really argue with it... :)

yes the door is that way >>>>

[George g]

yes the door is that way >>>>
:wtf: :cry:

[bmw156]

if it was me, i would do something like this

more the yellow line for the middle as the bulk head is weak IMO

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6483/picsp.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/i/picsp.jpg/)

[djbrowney]

similar to this then ?

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/djbrowney/004-41.jpg

[Nick]

Obviously GM and Custom Cages have no idea what they're doing. n00bs !

[bmw156]

similar to this then ?

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/djbrowney/004-41.jpg

yeh but with the cross bar being welded to the chassis.

[Sturge]

The level of stupidity on this forum never fails to amaze me lol

When will people realise that it's best to just shut up when you don't really know what you're talking about???

There's plenty cages out there using that setup for the front triangulation and it's very effective and strong. As for the strut tops shearing..... wtf????

Running the upper down the side of the strut on a nova in terms of packaging and strength is by far the best option as taking it to the centre of the strut at the rear would offer no real benefit in terms of strengthening the chassis against bending.

And if anyone would like to argue, I worked for Custom Cages for 4 years, I now build WRC shells, I do know exactly what I'm talking about.

Thankyou, hth etc etc

[burgo]

thank you's mr sturge :)