speed 1.6 vs valver

[jas2000000]

Has anyone pitted a well tuned 1.6 8valve, say: (bored to 1650, ported big valve head, lightened flywheel, kent cam, ramair filter, zorst etc, against a 2.0l valver??? :tard:

[Nobby]

I havent but if you were to do it on the strip i reckon upto 60 there probably wouldnt be that much in it the xe should pull it if the drivers ok but after 60 the xes guna run ya all day!

[RJM25R]

XE will batter the 1600

[mowgli]

if you are lucky, you'll get 130 hp with that lot.... and an xe will be 15hp ahead, then there is the fact that the xe will have way more torque.......

i reckon over a 1/4 the xe would be 1.5-2s ahead

[Tommy_nova]

what about against a 1600 8v turbo ? they go pretty well

[jas2000000]

Doesn't XE also weigh another 100kg over 1.6?

[mowgli]

Doesn't XE also weigh another 100kg over 1.6?

about 40kg extra... which helps with traction in a straight line.

[djbrowney]

30 kg at the most lol

[jas2000000]

Are these facts or guesses?

[djbrowney]

Are these facts or guesses?

mowgli is normally right lol

[jas2000000]

ok, what is the actual dry weight of a fully built redtop with all ancillaries?

[djbrowney]

between 30-49 kgs more than a small block 8v

[jimbob-mcgrew]

cant be serious, big ass engine, big gearbox, bigger shafts, extra wiring with ecu, 50 kilos ?

someones gonna say its bottom ends aluminum now i know it lol

[Angus Closier]

well if you think about it...its really not that much bigger the block is only slightly larger and yeh the head is twice the width. But you can pick up an xe head easy, the gear box....well what gear box f20? f28? compared to what small block gear box?? give the exact specs and you might get a decent answer tbh...as a rough estimate its as said 30-40 kg more, and has been coverd many times!

[jimbob-mcgrew]

i suppose its right, i guess it only takes said amount of kilo's to make that much difference round corners, interesting... got me thinking what a smallblock would be like with all the weight transfered to back now lol

[jas2000000]

Has any one pitted a courtenay 150bhp conversion against a redtop?

[Pistol Pete]

Has any one pitted a courtenay 150bhp conversion against a redtop?

You what??

1.6 vs 2.0...no contest IMO. XE would have it.

Whats your reason for asking?

[mowgli]

150hp 2 litres.....

150hp 1.6 litre turbo...

2litre will win. simple rule. big engine wins

[blue_peg_16v]

n/a 1.6 would get its head kicked in by an xe unless the 1.6 had a fortune spent on it hence why so many people do conversions cheaper to get the power a 150 bhp turbo 1.6 might just do a standard xe as due to the turbo would think it would have more torque

[jas2000000]

I think it would be an interesting race. I know xe is better engine but small engine on steroids should be a laugh.

[scott.parker]

Right, here is a simple fact for you, my XE standard use to run 14.6 my mates tuned 1600 8v turbo run 14.4's

My xe with TB's and LSD now runs 13.5's @105mph.

Think about it....

[adam c]

Not Nova against Nova but i put my tuned 1600 8 valve against my friends 2.0 Corsa and the Nova was all over it until it came to a hill!Then it was just behind me and he didnt have the power to overtake but i think corsa's are something like 100kg's heavier so if it was Nova vs Nova it would of probably been more of a match but it cost ALOT more to take the 1600 to that spec than the 2.0

If its just straight line speed you want put a 2.0 in.

[Stuart]

oh FFS.

If you are bragging to a mate, dont be gay, just race (at pod/york etc)

He could have a Mc F1 but not able to drive and you could win.....

[projctnova]

rep +1 Stuart

Its on the driver, shift speed, reaction time.

But if its down to power then the XE will win. Torque wins races!

[Nova_Tek]

cant be serious, big ass engine, big gearbox, bigger shafts, extra wiring with ecu, 50 kilos ?

someones gonna say its bottom ends aluminum now i know it lol

You dont need to use big block shafts, gte shafts & CV's can be used ;)

I too used to think that a big block conversion would be like a thousand million kg's heavier then a standard Nova but that's not the case. It really isn't as much as you'd think.

Gonna get my car weighed when the conversion has been completed.

[Stuart]

Also note if you can find them, Dans 1/4 times for a 1.6 8V ;)

[peester]

no-one said nitrous the 1600..

[Mike]

2litre will win. simple rule. big engine wins

+1

Stick to this rule in life, an youll never go wrong.

Bigger IS better. FACT'o'RIOD!

[jas2000000]

If bigger is always better then why is the v6 conversion not such a popular choice? Should stir up the banter! :D

[Adam]

Too heavy/lardy for a nova.

My 130hp 1.6 16v did a 15.7 1/4mile, i couldnt get it any quicker without more power IMO, my 150ish hp XE does 14.4 on only my 3rd run in that car. I can get it down to lower 14s imo.

[GRUNT 16V]

Theres No Replacement For Displacemant !!!!!!
The Xe Will Beat The Cr4p Out Of A Well Tuned 1.6 All Day Long Then Ask For Seconds Then Desert

[jas2000000]

So you're saying the v6 will batter a redtop then because its bigger?

[Adam]

In a straight line, a 2.5 v6 with a few mods will leave a xe yeah

[Stuart]

In a straight line, a 2.5 v6 with a few mods will leave a xe yeah


didnt ste_nova 'race' a V6 and XE and found little in it?

[Adam]

Maybe a standard (165hp?) V6 yeah.
But stick the "g" cams in, get it upto 180ish hp and there would be a noticeable difference between the two imo

[jas2000000]

If you put big cams in the redtop it would bring it back to a fair playing field!

[Stuart]

if you keep doing XYZ then its not a real 'race' that you want lol


just do it and STFU :)

[Dan]

Also note if you can find them, Dans 1/4 times for a 1.6 8V ;)

Ahh yes, my proof in the pudding figures from the magical 8v with 'normal' figues that people hated lol lol lol


Right, here is a simple fact for you, my XE standard use to run 14.6 my mates tuned 1600 8v turbo run 14.4's


You also went in the magical 1.6 8v, no turbo needed and ran constant 14.3's on its only 3 runs at pod, so faster was possible if i had ever been bothered. It was still built for the track in mind so a lighter version would obviously of been faster by a long way lol Noone ever believed it was capable until having been in it and thought "odd, it shouldnt do that"".

[jas2000000]

I'm having first dibs on the engine out of the bloodhound when its done its job. That should even show a c20let a clean pair of heals. Probs going to fit the engine in the back of my nova too coz there would probably a fatal flaw if we try and squeeze it under the bonnet.

[Ben]

Also note if you can find them, Dans 1/4 times for a 1.6 8V ;)

I was going to point this out, i went oiut in dans old 1650 with carbs and it pulled better all the way than any standard xe i have ever driven wether it in a nova/corsa/calibra etc etc.

If there was a choice bewteeen a fully blown 1.6 8v or a standard xe the choice would be clear cut the 1.6 all the way.

[Ben]

Theres No Replacement For Displacemant !!!!!!

The japs have proved this statement wrong on nearly every engine they build.

Just look at the power made from a 1.3 Starlet GT turbo in comparison to something like a corvette.