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= bad times!
they really dont like the rain do they! i drive approx 60 miles a day to sort my horse out *hopefully not for long YAY!* but
omg how i got home last night i have no idea! how do you get over the winter with a nova! is there anything i can do to help norman through the horrible british weather. Ive had to use wd40 a few times to get rid of moisture around the spark plugs but its rediculous!
or am i just going to have to stock up!?:wtf:
ive never had any problems at all. id surgest praps giving it an ignition service if your having problems
its not just that though you get them semi shallow lakes accross some roads, cant always avoid them and it goes up in to the arch and what not, i get lights flashing at me, so scared i was going to loose my nova last night ive fell in love with the thing, so ended up driving at 30 on a 60 with my hazards on lmao!!!
ive never had a problem at all...
its not just that though you get them semi shallow lakes accross some roads, cant always avoid them and it goes up in to the arch and what not, sorry what?? where else do you expect water to go lol.
if your getting aqua planning then slow down, simples. the other night it was raining that hard i could only manage 50mph but its the same for everyone else in no matter what car your in
Light car and wide tyres is never going be a good combination against aqua planing tbh
sorry what?? where else do you expect water to go lol.
if your getting aqua planning then slow down, simples. the other night it was raining that hard i could only manage 50mph but its the same for everyone else in no matter what car your in
Actually a lightweight nova on 195's is about the worst thing you can get for aquaplaning ;p
craig green
08-11-09, 07:53 PM
A mk1 Fiesta on 205's??? LOL
I've had lights come on my dash in the GSi when I've gone through floods & fords. Usually the alternator getting wet I thought.
kit car on 235's, your turn lol
prob is the alternator thinking about it, twas engine management. just as if the water splashes up in to the engine, worries me sick! hate that, my old bmw used to do that and conk out!
its on its standard steelies which are skinny... biscuit wheels aint the word for it.
it wasnt aqua plaining seem to avoid that as i dont drive fast that often!
I was aquaplaning in mine at around 30ish last time I got caught in really heavy rain.
A mk1 Fiesta on 205's??? LOL
I've had lights come on my dash in the GSi when I've gone through floods & fords. Usually the alternator getting wet I thought.poor excuse
i was following a mark 1 fiesta with the same width tyres as me, whilst he was busy understeering into the curb i zipped up the inside whilst crying with laughter
Actually a lightweight nova on 195's is about the worst thing you can get for aquaplaning ;p
I'll beg to differ on that comment if you run decent tyres and have the car setup right for all conditions, running eagle f1's my old build was hairing around llandow circuit at a PNG trackday in a mini monsoon with tyres squealling for mercy and bouncy around kerbs on two wheels with ease. That was totally minimalist build wise and had a static weight of 700kg. It only aquaplaned a small bit at the bottom end of the circuit but was fully controllable to the point i had no issues with holding the throttle and driving accordingly
Not entirely sure how you'd set up a car to not aquaplane besides using skinny tyres tbh lol Cornering would be similar to running 110ish width tyres though, all the loads are taken on one side which pushes down through the water. it's going quick in a straight line that causes aquaplaning more.
tbh alot of issues are just solved with tyre choice, end of the day its only those 4 points of contact that keep you safe so spending abit more on decent tread makes a massive difference. I drove said car for almost 2 years as an everyday car with an average 100mile all round commute, motorway and A road and never once had an issue with aquaplaning, even at motorway speeds across the wide water drifts it stayed planted with no shimmy :confused:
Dunno then, mine was on fairly new budgets at the time, but with massive water dissipating grooves in them, I would have thought eagle F1's would be far worse than what i had in the wet.
you do know that eagle f1's are regarded as the best tyre for the wet?? quit how you think a budget could compete is beyond me
you do know that eagle f1's are regarded as the best tyre for the wet?? quit how you think a budget could compete is beyond me
Nope, had no idea, would have guessed they'd be toss from the minimal amount of grooves in them, the fact they're not joined in the middle, and the fact that theres no easy route for water to get out of the sides from the middle of the fancy looking grooves. Whereas the budgets I had have more in common with gravel rally tyres.
minimal grooves!!!! the whole tyre is a groove lmao
http://reviews.stangnet.com/data/19/40983gy_eagle_f1_gsd3_ci1_l.jpg
im confused how being joined in the middle helps in your opinion
5th gear, 100mph heavey rain no wipers needed when you use rain-x.. Spinning down the road when you hit standing water. But its easy ish to control...
minimal grooves!!!! the whole tyre is a groove lmao
http://reviews.stangnet.com/data/19/40983gy_eagle_f1_gsd3_ci1_l.jpg
im confused how being joined in the middle helps in your opinion
Well in an ideal world tyres all sit perfectly flat on a perfectly flat surface, in reality they do not, i'd rathe have water able to escape both ends. and I count 6 unjoined, small, grooves across any one contact point
Whereas a proper rain tyre has multiple grooves all joined up:
http://www.soton.ac.uk/ses/img/inline/greenpower/Greenpower_tyres_wet.jpg
Maximum of 9 grooves all joined up and every contact point across the tyre has a couple of lateral grooves as well as the horizontal.
http://www.conti-online.com/generator/www/pl/pl/uniroyal/samochod/tematy/opony_letnie/osobowe/img/rainsport1_main_uv;property=onlineBild.jpg
If F1's work then fair enough, but it's not a design I understand, the above is how I'd expect a good wet weather tyre to look
Nova_Tek
08-11-09, 09:07 PM
Never had problems with my Nova and heavy rain/bad weather, it has never leaked, always starts first time, driving through BIG puddles with no issues what-so-ever totally reliable. Think your leads, dizzy etc may need replacing they are not expensive anyway.
Aquaplaning hasn't been a major issue really, I have Hankook Ventus K102's 195 and the merit weights under 800Kgs. Just need to drive suitably to the road conditions. Rubbish tyres wil make things worse, the wifes Yaris has 'el-ghetto ditchfinder FR500' tyres, a brand I've never heard of and I can wheelspin like crazy with an autobox.
Be sensible and you'll both be fine.
I never had a problem in any nova that I can remember tbh. My old hatchback used to get a little twitch on sometimes over big water, but I've never had a problem in any other. I do tend to be quite careful with the V6 in wet weather though.
I got the GT4 a bit damp the other day, driving to Frome in torrential rain, the roads were like rivers. Some bellend drives towards me at 60 so I had to dive for the kerb and hit a lagoon in the process; cue rather nasty misfire. Checked it out, turns out water had been blasted up the side of the engine and knocked an HT lead off the coilpack lol
Are you the Nebbz that used to be on BC?
Tyre design is still relatively unknown tbh. Most of it is educated guess work from the designers.
Yes a facking great groove down the middle makes sense in your mind but as the F1 shows, its not vital. And to be honest a big groove wont do much when you hit standing water at 50+ anyway lol.
Nebbz, sounds like you need new tyres and a proper engine/ign service! Oh and some testicles.
Oh and some testicles.
If its the Nebbz im thinking of testicles is the last thing SHE needs lol!
If its the Nebbz im thinking of testicles is the last thing SHE needs lol!
nope, still needed, upto her what she does with them.
Vausey_Nova_Knotla
09-11-09, 02:14 PM
i agree being joined in the middle cant be better than having more grooves but could be wrong
i agree being joined in the middle cant be better than having more grooves but could be wrong
clearly they are cak.... Dan was lapping about as fast in the wet as most folks were in the dry.
My omega wouldnt budge its ass in the wet with F1's on the back.
etc etc etc
lets not let real world stuff get in the way of what we think a tyre should look like to grip in the wet lol
Tyre design is governed by four main factors: grip, water, longevity and aesthetics. Yes, they design tyres to look "good".
Most wet weather tyres, back in the day, had a large channel down the middle to a) allow the water somewhere to go and b) split the tyre into two smaller contact patches to reduce aquaplaning - only problem was that smaller contact patch = impaired dry weather handling. Modern all weather tyres use large angled grooves in the tyre which channel the water out sideways to the edge of the tyre and are just as effective, if not more so, at removing water from under the tyre whilst also retaining a large contact patch for good dry road handling. They will however be shoite on loose surfaces, deeper water, or snow/ice as the tyre can't dig down into the surface and grip
Welsh Dan
09-11-09, 02:57 PM
When I fitted Eagle F1 GS-D2s to my 1.2, I could drive it in the wet as though it was dry. It only fumbled once on a roundabout exit where the road surface was worn smooth and had about an inch and a half of standing water on it, even then it was controllable though and I managed to get around the bend, sideways. :d
http://ssl.delti.com/tyre-pictures/Goodyear/GSD2.jpg
Nebbz, get yourself some decent tyres first of all, then give the ignition side of things a good service. When you fit the new HT leads to the new spark plugs and dizzy cap, put some dielectric* grease on the terminals to keep the water out for good. When I used to do my pre-winter service I also used to spray around the mating surface of the dizzy cap and around the terminals of the coil with a waxy water repellant stuff. Be careful not to get any on the clutch cable though.
*the only place I could find it was ebay. Normal/lithium grease breaks down due to the electrical side of things.
andrew1988
10-11-09, 11:22 PM
My eagle F1's used to aquaplane. That was alway excessive speed in the wet etc etc. Uniroyal Rainsports are considered good wet weather tyre too and share a similar pattern to the F1's, so maybe there on to something lol
stupot89
10-11-09, 11:34 PM
kit car on 235's, your turn lol
245's on a nova
Welsh Dan
11-11-09, 12:49 AM
245's on a nova
235/70+difflock, if we're going to start being silly :d.
Are you the Nebbz that used to be on BC?
Yup it's the same Nebbz.
I would suggest looking at your ignition system and replacing TH leads, plugs etc. Then finding things the can be protected from the weather and protecting them:thumb:
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