View Full Version : C16XE restrictor???
novadose2009
17-10-09, 05:57 PM
hi i was told today that corsa gsi engines are restricted to 107bhp and apparently wen de-restricted there alot more does anyone no if these engines have restrictors in them and whats needed 2 remove them??
thnks
Theres nothing like you can just remove, but the inlet makes one hell of a differance. Search power box or manzel.
as said the standard inlet is very restrictive !!!
novadose2009
17-10-09, 06:22 PM
ok thanks how much power has any1 had out of these engines any1?
cuz im doin a turbo convertion and just wondering wot figures people have had from these engines
I know southie on here got 140 from his, just a inlet and some other small things i belive?
150 is easy, above that could be hard.
General Baxter
17-10-09, 06:26 PM
150 is easy, above that could be hard.
240 once lol
novadose2009
17-10-09, 06:32 PM
ohrite well 200bhp wud b nice i think i cud get above that tho does any1 no of any weaknesses with these engines with increasing power output??
Baxterness is a problem lol. Baxter superchaged his to get 240, and it would have problery died if he ran it too long
150 is easy, above that could be hard. Is it fook easy! lol
You need either a v good setup (inlet box,cams, standalone management etc), or tbs and management to see 150hp +
Talking a grand to 2 grand in total for either
120-130 is easy and quite cheap to do
I should have said expensive lol
quit the pissing text typing!!!!
ohrite well 200bhp wud b nice i think i cud get above that tho does any1 no of any weaknesses with these engines with increasing power output??
Weakness will be the conrods and pistons, get some decent ones and the engine will be good for anything, steel crank would be good too buy they cost a fortune.
Is it fook easy! lol
You need either a v good setup (inlet box,cams, standalone management etc), or tbs and management to see 150hp +
Talking a grand to 2 grand in total for either
120-130 is easy and quite cheap to do
150 isn't that hard, I'm aiming for that without throttle bodies or stand alone management, although by the time I've finished I will have spent near £3000 but that's not all on performance parts.
150 isn't that hard, I'm aiming for that without throttle bodies or stand alone management,
we will see when its done ;)
we will see when its done ;)
Bare in mind I said I'm aiming for, not saying I will get, but if its less than 140 bhp I will be severely disappointed.
Is it fook easy! lol
You need either a v good setup (inlet box,cams, standalone management etc), or tbs and management to see 150hp +
Talking a grand to 2 grand in total for either
120-130 is easy and quite cheap to do
You forget that an ebay mantzel style inlet and an exhaust with a K&N and obligatory sticker makes at least 135 lol
Taken from flames thread on corsa sport
Mantzel type inlet manifolds to fit 1.4 and 1.6 engines with the engine codes X14XE and X16XE and can also be adapted to fit the C16XE GSI. 15-20 bhp power gain proven on my own car for the last 2 years and acheived 131.5bhp on the rolling road. £130, all kits are brand new and contain everything you need to fit. The following pictures are before and after
Some people doubted his claims
The inlet, exhaust system and the air filter you see in the picture. Apart from that the engine is internally standard and the ecu is standard, no chip etc
the thread here (http://corsasport.co.uk/board/viewthread.php?tid=428645&page=1)
now it was said 130 could be had easily, which flame did manage as above (or he claims) so with a few extra goodies which I have got, 150 bhp isn't impossible to reach, and I'm sure its already been done without throttle bodies/stand alone (although you would need an aftermarket ecu kit to run throttle bodies)
Whos got 150hp without standalone? I dont know of anyone
Cams, good exhaust manifold, mantzel, and standalone management(so you can rev the bastid past about 6800rpm) would see 140-150. GDN16v on here has a very similar engine spec..
My old engine with cams, powerbox, 4-1 exhaust manifold, standard management, made 127hp. The standard ecu limits the revs and stopped it making more.
Whats the spec of the engine your trying to get to 150??
And the powerboxes add 10hp, saw a thread on CS, back to back RR runs, it added about 10.2hp.
Whats the spec of the engine your trying to get to 150??
Block bored out
79.5mm high compression pistons + rods
De-restricted inlet manifold
Cams
Head work
Exhaust system
Remap
i think 150 would have to be very thought about setup my mate rick had a corsa gsi with an inlet , 4-1, decat , filter and cammed and had NO rev limiter (as adam said above) and that was standard management at that dynod at 129bhp
Sure I read somewhere that the standard inlets 9ft long with 6 90deg bends!
When I looked into having a x16xe I was aiming for 200bhp, that was with tb's and high degree cams, lots of headwork etc etc. Why spend 3k to get 200bhp when an LET is that standard...
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/viewfeaturecar.php?ref=330
iirvc this made just shy of 140bhp!
smcgsi16v
17-10-09, 10:38 PM
My old engine with cams, powerbox, 4-1 exhaust manifold, standard management, made 127hp. The standard ecu limits the revs and stopped it making more.
And the powerboxes add 10hp, saw a thread on CS, back to back RR runs, it added about 10.2hp.
And mine made 120hp without a manifold,cams and with a cat.
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/viewfeaturecar.php?ref=330
iirvc this made just shy of 140bhp!
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showpost.php?p=666596&postcount=1
You are correct, like I say, I'm aiming for 150 bhp whether I get that or not is a different matter, and going by that I probably wont, maybe I should have bought a C20XE, but never the less, I'll continue my project and see where it takes me, if I need to buy standalone management to get near 150 bhp then I'll scrap it and buy a C20 lol
SR-Rally
18-10-09, 02:55 AM
bloke by me who rallys a nova and helps me out with mine. has a 1400 16v running 208bhp at the flywheel :P N/A aswell. he wins his class most outings and has spend thousands and thousands on his car over the years.
Southie
18-10-09, 08:39 AM
All I can say is I must have a very strong engine then.
Mines got standard management, no uprated cams, standard engine what it has got is a mantzel inlet, 4-1 stainless manifold (imported from Belgium), full stainless powerflow exhaust and a k&n all resulting to make 140hp.
So plans for mine a remap a set of arp bottom end bolts and raise the limiter and it could be possible to hit the 150hp mark.
bloke by me who rallys a nova and helps me out with mine. has a 1400 16v running 208bhp at the flywheel :P N/A aswell. he wins his class most outings and has spend thousands and thousands on his car over the years.
Martin bowyers engines are around that. A friend of mines boss had a 1600 and that was 236bhp.
peester
18-10-09, 09:49 AM
hey mr brucer, you dont happen to visit martin at all do you? i would luv it if someone can pass on a message, lol..
mr southie has the most powerful small block ive ever known for exhaust and inlet.
mr southie has the most powerful small block ive ever known for exhaust and inlet.
Think those results give the 189bhp xe with a powercap a run for there money!
If that throttle bodied engine only made 140 bhp with that spec and southies makes that with a lesser spec then something is very odd.
Southies engine is never 140hp. It made that figure on the same RR my xe made 180hp on, and a standard 1.4 8v made over 100hp..... lol
Southies engine is never 140hp, same as my XE is never 180hp lol
Thats right just because someone says it is people instantly think its true, whereas if you use logic you know its not really possible.
Adam, was that a standard xe that made 180? Quite a generous RR.
hey mr brucer, you dont happen to visit martin at all do you? i would luv it if someone can pass on a message, lol..
mr southie has the most powerful small block ive ever known for exhaust and inlet.
unfortunately no, a rally friend of mine does. could possibly relay the message on for you.:thumb:
Southie
18-10-09, 03:28 PM
I must agree that mine surley wouldn't be 140hp but yet there were also other xe's running besides Adams which were all running about 165 also Rickardos was identical to a previous rr day he'd had earlier in the year.
My thoughts are that Adams broke the rollers and it knackered the setting for the rollers giving them inacurate readings.
Adam, was that a standard xe that made 180? Quite a generous RR.
Not entirely standard no.
SBD Type A exhaust manifold, powercap, full exhaust and de-cat.
I was expecting 160hp.
IMO the fly estimate figures were just a bit ott... As my whp seems spot on expected...... (139hp at the wheels)
General Baxter
18-10-09, 04:20 PM
i hope there close, my TD would be even ****ter lol
What did it do at the wheels????
I put 15% on my whp figure and it gives about 160ish bhp..... Which is about right imo.
Southies engine is never 140hp. It made that figure on the same RR my xe made 180hp on, and a standard 1.4 8v made over 100hp..... lol
Mate at work has a standard X16XE which is 136bhp lol santa pod rolling road :roll:
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