View Full Version : Pic whore me red novas
MattBrown
15-10-09, 08:31 PM
Bought a red car
Whore me a load of ideas:thumb:
let_nova
15-10-09, 08:38 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/danga/37-1.jpg
NOVA_LEE
15-10-09, 08:42 PM
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z265/skem_head/DSC01264.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/bennh2/crap/rednovaabbi3.jpg
Heres mine, although you probably know it, cheers for the oil mate
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm146/saloondicko/3758198341_55d79e311f.jpg
Tommy_nova
15-10-09, 08:48 PM
my flame red gsi..
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/Tommy_Nova/mynovaatpvs09.jpg
http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/Tommy_Nova/07062009081.jpg
Sonny Jim
15-10-09, 08:51 PM
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t300/SonnyJim123_2007/P085501_01-10-09.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t300/SonnyJim123_2007/P085601_01-10-09.jpg
Sonny Jim
15-10-09, 08:55 PM
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t300/SonnyJim123_2007/P085101_01-10-09.jpg
MattBrown
15-10-09, 10:14 PM
Its a gte replica, very faded, etc!
But has a 100000% mint interior, to go with my 99% interior in the daily!
Also, im into the white speedline look for it, but with red gte bumpers, and black/gray gte skirts!
How low is let-novas blue one? I want them wheels, with that ride hight!
I see you have the full arch lip, any scrubbage??
let_nova
15-10-09, 10:16 PM
90mm at the back and 70mm at the front.
let_nova
15-10-09, 10:17 PM
no scrubbage at all!! and i done my own wheels
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/incanova/fastandmodified054.jpg
MattBrown
15-10-09, 10:50 PM
Gonna have to be white speedlines then!
"Mummy, you know for xmas, well I WANT THAT ONE" lol lol lol
Im also going coilover all round!
Srs-1- says itll never happen, how rong can I prove him!
I may even have to turn up to his in it! lol
Old pic and my paint is just shocking, but red+white wheels ftw :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/MK999/DSC00188-1.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c123/w88rdy/29092009120.jpg
Sorry for quality,Phones pants lol
MattBrown
16-10-09, 12:59 PM
Im 100% keeping the car red now!
I also think ill be having the same setup as let-nova!
90mm springs, with speedline alesio 2's in white, and a set in silver for winter shagarounds:)
vaughanmc
16-10-09, 01:37 PM
Nice, clean and simple - Some of mines looking its best IMO:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Billing%202009/Billing09104.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Billing%202009/Billing09105.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Billing%202009/Billing09103.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Billing%202009/Billing09106.jpg
Cleaned and preped for the 300 mile trip to Billing 09:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Billing%202009/Billing09163.jpg
Enjoy :thumb:
Who's nova are you parked next to vaughan ??
vaughanmc
16-10-09, 01:45 PM
Chris Thomson's XE and Andy Bishop's GSi LET
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Billing%202009/Billing09163.jpg
Enjoy :thumb:
i love this pic it looks mint there.
vaughanmc
16-10-09, 01:47 PM
Once the Speedlines go back on for next year it'll be as clean as that once again...Aslong as we have a fairly laid back winter lol
Mind you she's all Waxoyled :)
Chris Thomson's XE and Andy Bishop's GSi LET
Chris's the blue one ?? if so project thread link anyone ?
vaughanmc
16-10-09, 01:48 PM
www.justopelvauxhall.com (http://www.justopelvauxhall.com) - You'll no get anything on here about it apart from a forsale thread because it's broken now
MattBrown
16-10-09, 02:03 PM
Lol, looks well vaughn!
More pics needed lads!!
vaughanmc
16-10-09, 02:07 PM
OK then lol
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Cleaned/SV20236311.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Cleaned/SV20236313.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Cleaned/SV20236321.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Cleaned/SV20236323.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Cleaned/SV20236325.jpg
I can get you more if you want ? :)
Heres my old one....:cry:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/spudly01/My%20Nov/DSC00343.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/spudly01/My%20Nov/DSC00340.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/spudly01/My%20Nov/DSC00342.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/spudly01/My%20Nov/DSC00344.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/spudly01/My%20Nov/DSC00345.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a36/spudly01/My%20Nov/DSC00347.jpg
gotta post these even tho it makes me :cry:
my darling girl:
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp138/sloth_mk1_cav/robscamera043.jpg
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp138/sloth_mk1_cav/robscamera022.jpg
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp138/sloth_mk1_cav/DSC00108.jpg
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp138/sloth_mk1_cav/robscamera023.jpg
*runs off to cry some more.....
My previous red nova which I sold a few months ago......
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p69/JonnyJ001/Billing/09/Picture16.png (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p69/JonnyJ001/Billing/09/Picture16.png)
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm120/gtenutz/billing%202009/billing2009078.jpg
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k27/nj_photo/DSC00889.jpg?t=1247593026
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p69/JonnyJ001/Billing/09/Picture15.png (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p69/JonnyJ001/Billing/09/Picture15.png)
let_nova
16-10-09, 08:34 PM
stunning.....
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp138/sloth_mk1_cav/DSC00108.jpg
Who the cream crackers wired that in?
i did. it was on the big black plug so i could undo 1 plug and nothing else.
Crimping all the wires in the loom to use the plug is in my books a huge bodge when it can be wired in so easily and nicely. Sorry.
Heres mine .
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd309/dholt_02/Photo0079.jpg?t=1255776890
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd309/dholt_02/Photo0078.jpg?t=1255776975
what you think.:roll:
Looks a good one there bud, its gonna need some tlc on that door and sill corner soon, id lose the rear tints personally as thats my biggest regret with my old red one was fitting tints, its too much imo:thumb:
Cheers for the advise spudly car was filthy in that pic rear arch is good no rust on it just looks like that in pic but doors beyond repair its having a full paint job with new doors anyway.:thumb:
heres some pics from when i wanted ideas
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118127
hope this helps
loggyboy
17-10-09, 05:30 PM
My 1st ever Nova:
http://loggyboy.com/images/sri/3qtrLow640.jpg
http://loggyboy.com/images/sri/RearHi640.jpg
My first Merit 16v
http://loggyboy.com/images/nilly/01Standard640.jpg
http://loggyboy.com/images/nilly/FlushQtr.JPG
http://loggyboy.com/images/nilly/NewMosCLEAN640.jpg
not mine
http://loggyboy.com/images/Nova/Derwin.jpg
rallyingace
17-10-09, 09:27 PM
nice pics.....
gtachorley
18-10-09, 06:39 PM
Here is mine.
http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/Hond123/26042009253.jpg
http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/Hond123/26042009254.jpg
http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/Hond123/26042009255.jpg
http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/Hond123/31102008199.jpg
vaughanmc
18-10-09, 06:42 PM
Looks good Damen, how low is she at the back ?
Cheers vaughan its lowered 85mm on custom springs and its now running coilovers on front:thumb: .
craig green
19-10-09, 01:33 PM
Mine (R.I.P)
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img034.jpg
Some old-skool scanned photo's
Elgan's XE
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img165.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img108.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img011.jpg
craig green
19-10-09, 01:35 PM
Lee Hearsey's old shell.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img106.jpg
Declan Burkes SR
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img043.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img042.jpg
Fibresports' Novadosed Valver.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img053.jpg
craig green
19-10-09, 01:37 PM
Have to mention Karl Rowntree's XE'd SR.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img141.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img139.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img143.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/PVS07pics/STA41270.jpg
craig green
19-10-09, 01:38 PM
Anyone remember Ollster's SRi?
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img154.jpg
GaryVaux (Gary126) owns the shell now.
craig green
19-10-09, 01:43 PM
Nice mk1.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/forum%20Novas/mintSR.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/forum%20Novas/T40SR.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/forum%20Novas/VALETMAN.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/forum%20Novas/STA40169.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/forum%20Novas/STA40228.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Nova%20GSi/shoppedNOVA.jpg
craig green
19-10-09, 01:45 PM
Shall I keep going?
The Simps
19-10-09, 01:45 PM
I want Karl's bonnet!! What vent is it?
My old sri turbo...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Photoshoot%20Day/DSCF0308resize.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Photoshoot%20Day/DSCF0291resize.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20LET%20Build/BILLING016.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20LET%20Build/b17et9.jpg
craig green
19-10-09, 01:50 PM
Its an Ecosse sourced Peugeot vent which is a copy of a Lancia Delta 'Integrale style' vent IMO. You could get them for Renault 21 turbo's aswell, though thats irrelevent. Karl says it took an age to blend it to the Novas bonnet shape due to it not being at all suitable. It's not on there anymore, Sold IIRC.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/PVS07pics/STA41259.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/PVS07pics/STA41199.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/PVS07pics/STA41189.jpg
The Simps
19-10-09, 01:58 PM
Its an Ecosse sourced Peugeot vent which is a copy of a Lancia Delta 'Integrale style' vent IMO. You could get them for Renault 21 turbo's aswell, though thats irrelevent. Karl says it took an age to blend it to the Novas bonnet shape due to it not being at all suitable. It's not on there anymore, Sold IIRC.
I need a bulge for clearance at the front of my bonnet but want to do it subtley - any ideas?
I need a bulge for clearance at the front of my bonnet but want to do it subtley - any ideas?
Sledgehammers are subtle right?
Can you not raise it slightly at the back or does it need way more clearance than that?
edit: also, thread hijack much? lol
craig green
19-10-09, 02:12 PM
Leave the bonnet off.
craig green
19-10-09, 02:28 PM
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/PVS08pics/PVS2008112-1.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/PVS08pics/PVS2008111.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/PVS08pics/PVS2008071.jpg
craig green
19-10-09, 02:30 PM
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing07/BILLING074.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing07/BILLING033.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing07/BILLING032.jpg
craig green
19-10-09, 02:32 PM
Pics from Billing 07
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing07/BILLING086.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing07/BILLING085.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing07/BILLING061.jpg
The Simps' old Nova.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing07/BILLING016.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing07/BILLING018.jpg
craig green
19-10-09, 02:37 PM
Billing 09
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing09/VBOAbilling09170.jpg
Vaughan's
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing09/VBOAbilling09193.jpg
Karl rowntree's again.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing09/VBOAbilling09199.jpg
Nick's
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing09/VBOAbilling09105.jpg
Mine again.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing09/neocaptured01.jpg
vaughanmc
19-10-09, 06:04 PM
Good picture of mine there Craig, looks good in that picture :)
I need a bulge for clearance at the front of my bonnet but want to do it subtley - any ideas?
I know Karl was thinking of changing the bonnet but it was still on the car at billing.... It would deffo be worth a pm to him as he does come on here now and again.
Nick.
The Simps
19-10-09, 07:00 PM
Looking at the pics it looks like its just grafted on top with a hole at the back so no extra height has actually been added.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/HOT%20METAL/img011.jpg
That Nova was one of the Nova that really got me in to modded Novas. I have the redline it was in from 1999.
That's pretty nice for a 90's magazine feature to be fair, not sure about the ears and light brows though lol
vaughanmc
19-10-09, 07:16 PM
What ears ? lol
What ears ? lol
Weird spoiler makes it look like it's got ears.
vaughanmc
19-10-09, 07:35 PM
Ahh right lol
Weird spoiler makes it look like it's got ears.
Erm ears are classed as mirrors normaly....
Erm ears are classed as mirrors normaly....
and those chavtastic batmobile style spoilers with no wing in them, reminded me a bit of those lol Like the KA that was posted a while ago, only nowhere near as horrific and really nice otherwise, unlike the KA lol
Is there no end to your nova pics Craig ?
craig green
20-10-09, 12:17 PM
Looking at the pics it looks like its just grafted on top with a hole at the back so no extra height has actually been added.
Mk1 Clio 16v bulge mate??
That Nova was one of the Nova that really got me in to modded Novas. I have the redline it was in from 1999.
Adrian Culley's. He is a painter by trade & has painted many a featured Nova over the years. he had a Grey Corrado after he sold the Nova. That was featured too, in REVS magazine IIRC.
Is there no end to your nova pics Craig ?
Clearly not. I have a folder of about 200 more Nova pics not uploaded to Photobucket yet.
The Simps
20-10-09, 12:25 PM
Mk1 Clio 16v bulge mate??
Thats a good suggestion! Mounted centrally might actually work. Might evn be able to use 2 side by side blended in to each other and then blended into the normal nova swage lines. Hmmm.
MattBrown
20-10-09, 12:42 PM
Hmmm, why bother? lol
Also, Im loving all the redness:)
Picking the red project up in 5 days now!
Saturday:)
Also, I now have astra gsi fanblades (I love them) I dunno weather to get them pro furbed in the origional silver, or do them black??
craig green
20-10-09, 12:44 PM
Silver dude. Black wheels are SO 2006.
Satin Red looks pretty cool IMO. Cav turbo colour.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Nova%20pictures/combepics059.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Nova%20pictures/combepics054.jpg
Adrian Culley's. He is a painter by trade & has painted many a featured Nova over the years. he had a Grey Corrado after he sold the Nova. That was featured too, in REVS magazine IIRC.
Ah we all know the legend that is Ade, didn't know it was his, just had a lookie.
I believe the red featured Nova is/was Ade Culleys, the man responsible for a lot of the paint work on a lot of 'famous' novas
craig green
20-10-09, 08:36 PM
'famous' novas
lol @ famous Novas.
I know what you are getting at though.
Thats why the inverted commors were used, I personally hate the phrase but couldn't think of how else to put it lol
peester
20-10-09, 08:43 PM
Billing 09
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing09/VBOAbilling09170.jpg
wooo adam seal's wee beast. Still a mental revvving 1300 small block goodo
craig green
20-10-09, 08:43 PM
Aye I remember it as a 1300 from old-skool PNG events. Serious car.
Probably one of the only widearch Novas that wear the kit well, Dan's Grey beast included.
[edit] looks like a 1600 smallblock to me??
craig green
20-10-09, 08:47 PM
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing09/VBOAbilling09168.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Billing09/VBOAbilling09169.jpg
peester
20-10-09, 08:50 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/peester/DSC00250.jpg
my old red sxi from billing 2001.. i think..
craig green
20-10-09, 08:51 PM
Damn that's cool Peester! [edit] Just needs black grille mesh.
Oem+ FTW.
peester
20-10-09, 08:54 PM
yeah, should have just left the old o.e grille as it was.. but i knew better then lol was my first nova.
cheers craig.
top work with the pics
craig green
20-10-09, 08:55 PM
Can't not whore out my fave pics of mine.
2002 just after the paint job.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/turbocraig/Craigypics/CraigNova3.jpg
loggyboy
20-10-09, 10:10 PM
Damn that's cool Peester! [edit] Just needs black grille mesh.
Oem+ FTW.
I grill that was never standard, painted or not is hardly OEM+ neither is the mono wipe, irmscher badge or painted handles.
I grill that was never standard, painted or not is hardly OEM+ neither is the mono wipe, irmscher badge or painted handles.
Think you'll find that's the "+" bit
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z163/Lee_H25/032.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z163/Lee_H25/030-1.jpg
My recently broken XE. Now a bare shell being crushed.
MattBrown
20-10-09, 10:39 PM
Nooooo!
Don't crush it!
Any parts on it?
I may cut it up for a chassis leg for mine!
Been offered on here for free for months and had nothing but timewasters so its going to have to be crushed.
Its a bare shell now.
Stevo16V
20-10-09, 10:47 PM
My old xe
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Stevo16V/Novapics144.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Stevo16V/Novapics137.jpg
peester
21-10-09, 09:38 AM
lol! ^ that is exactly how ide always wanted my old red sxi to end up looking, ultimately..
loggyboy
21-10-09, 11:19 AM
Think you'll find that's the "+" bit
No. The plus part is going OTT with oem parts. just adding any old mods is not oem+
Mike B GTE
21-10-09, 03:13 PM
some of it is red:
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa201/M16KEB/2a.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa201/M16KEB/DSC00015.jpg
MattBrown
21-10-09, 03:20 PM
Very Very nice mike!
Im picking it up saturday, but will be a week before it goes in my grandads garage!
Got welder, engine crane and tools now!
So it seems to be all systems go, doors, wings, bonnet off, boot off, all being shotblasted in work, then chemically cleaned, and rust proof primered!
Then its off to the scrapyard in the sky for the engine 1.0, (Ill put it in my container)
Then the welding, panneling, arches etc begins!
vaughanmc
22-10-09, 04:48 PM
Some more pictures of mines with the old grey Astra alloys:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Nova%20At%20JW/NovaAtJW6.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Nova%20At%20JW/NovaAtJW2.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Nova%20At%20JW/NovaAtJW7.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/vaughanmc/Nova%20At%20JW/NovaAtJW5.jpg
craig green
22-10-09, 04:52 PM
My old xe
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/Stevo16V/Novapics137.jpg
Damnit. I dont need to be seeing sweet mk2's like that at the moment. I thought I hated Red too. :confused:
heres some pics of my red nova
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg228/moffat_photos/IMAG0067-1.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg228/moffat_photos/IMAG0065-2.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg228/moffat_photos/IMAG0071-2.jpg
vaughanmc
22-10-09, 05:10 PM
Damnit. I dont need to be seeing sweet mk2's like that at the moment. I thought I hated Red too. :confused:
You know red is the best colour when it's kept as good as that one in the picture! :thumb:
You know red is the best colour when it's kept as good as that one in the picture! :thumb:
It's just a shame that means keeping it out of sunlight and polishing it every 12 hours. lol
vaughanmc
23-10-09, 12:23 AM
It's just a shame that means keeping it out of sunlight and polishing it every 12 hours. lol
Not if it's properly sealed and waxed ;)
Pic of mine!:thumb:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u241/a16vnv/novagrill.jpg
g111mds
30-10-09, 03:49 PM
Pic of mine!:thumb:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u241/a16vnv/novagrill.jpg
My favourite Nova of all time this one...
g111mds
30-10-09, 03:53 PM
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/g111mds/advert.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/g111mds/Image02.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/g111mds/scan0005.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/g111mds/scan0001.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/g111mds/Imagea.jpghttp://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a154/g111mds/Image11.jpg
vaughanmc
30-10-09, 04:08 PM
What happened to the red GSi Jamie ?
g111mds
31-10-09, 09:34 AM
What happened to the red GSi Jamie ?
sold it to a guy from Glasgow about 6 years or so ago. not too long after it appeared on ebay with an xe conversion and with old style mudflaps on it. don't think it sold and haven't seen or heard of it since. Last time i checked it was sorn'd and still registered as a 1.6. Was a reasonable example with lots of history. Always preferred the mk1 sr though...
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