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Whats the deal with these, whats on them that isn't on a C20XE, can you tear out all the power robbing eco friendly stuff, I assume they're the same block etc and bolt up in the same way (I.E no custom mounts) at least for the X20XE, I assume a Z20XE, should one exist, is an entirely different beast?
Looking at options for my next shell and this was one of the possibles :) Similar power for similar effort and some less tired (and cheaper?) examples about hopefully.
All bolts in the same, not much you can do about the eco ness. A better inlet would help with power.
Looking around on various forums etc, quick search for X20XE or X20XEV as i just found out they're coded, on google, shows up lots of C20XE vs Ecotec threads which are pages long and like the big block small block debate lol Also a lot lower in power than I thought vs the C20XE, around 135bhp which is fairly considerable since I'm coming from a lightly modded 8v.
Also a lot more gubbings around the engine to connect up wrong, looks like fault finding would be a nightmare.
Whats the issues with the inlet? Looks very similar to a C20XE to me?
Guessing there's not many other 'easy' conversions as someone else has been in this same situation before me and not found anything different, or a few others would have copied it and it'd be fairly well known lol
There is no x20xe.
2L eco is x20xev.
A 2L 16v eco with a decat and good exhaust will do 140hp all day long.
Ah yeah did forget they'd obviously have a power robbing cat on them (damn furry animals getting stuck in the exhausts)
What C20XE wise fits the X20XEV, or is it all different? Main thing that sparked the idea is the cost tbh, as the 'redtop' has a scene tax plonked on it almost worthy of the VW scene lol Looked around on ebay last week and most seem to be around £400, found an engine alone with no ancillaries for £250 lol
Pretty much everything is different.
Actually,EVERYTHING is different lol
Head, both manifolds, cams, loom etc all different.
If looked after, they are good engines and can be picked up for pennies.
Remember the immboliser setup if its a post 95 engine
Pretty much everything is different.
Actually,EVERYTHING is different lol
Head, both manifolds, cams, loom etc all different.
If looked after, they are good engines and can be picked up for pennies.
Remember the immboliser setup if its a post 95 engine
Lies, blocks must be the same if they bolt up unless vaux just copied the bolt pattern lol Head ports are all different then? Which means swapping flanges for a decent exhaust I guess. Also means cams as well as pretty much anything, would be a costy option with less 2nd hand ones around. Would be nice to do something different though, maybe I should bodge an ecotec rocker cover onto a C20XE and lie a lot lol
comptoncj
13-10-09, 08:46 PM
i remember in a total vauxhall they said a c20xe head will go on a x20xev bottom end but its not worth the hassle with wiring looms and manifolds etc. my mate had a x20xev in a corsa b and it was as quick as my mates c20xe corsa, theyre not bad engines and theres loadsa tuning bits available for them :)
Yes, head is totally diferrent, its shallower.
Blocks the same/similar yeah, thats about it....
Hmm, okay, cheers for the info :)
Something to think about but I don't think it's for me atm, extra cost of a C20XE seems to balanced up by the less hassle and more available second hand parts (uni budget really doesn't stretch to new performance parts) This is if I even 2.0 it at all, insurance might not work out in my favour.
Get one from a low insurance group donor car.
Vectra LS springs to mind ;)
Get one from a low insurance group donor car.
Vectra LS springs to mind ;)
Vectra LS 2.0 search on google/parkers returns turblow dervs? the 2.0 16v petrol was a CD/SRi, group 13 for the CD but shows bhp on parkers as 115?
edit: and the 134bhp CDX is group 12 lol
Im sure theres like a grp 9 2.0 16v eco veccy
yeah the ecotech vectra came in ls form iirc.
Not worth a wan* imo, c20xe's can be had for same money, they're tried and tested and work well in a nova!
craig green
13-10-09, 09:37 PM
It would make a decent project to use an ecotec, but it will ultimately yield lower bhp & cost more. The benefits with the eco are that it will be easier to find one in good cond.
I fail to see any 'tax' on XE's. Theres loads of aftermarket/2nd hand parts due to the huge research & tuning carried out on them.
yeah the ecotech vectra came in ls form iirc.
Not worth a wan* imo, c20xe's can be had for same money, they're tried and tested and work well in a nova!
Just thought it might be a decent route to a less tired engine, but it seems the pro's of a C20XE far outweigh the hassle involved in finding a good one. Would be nice to open the bonnet and see something that isn't more common than standard, but I don't think unexpected costs is within my budget, if an XE even is lol
It would make a decent project to use an ecotec, but it will ultimately yield lower bhp & cost more. The benefits with the eco are that it will be easier to find one in good cond.
I fail to see any 'tax' on XE's. Theres loads of aftermarket/2nd hand parts due to the huge research & tuning carried out on them.
C20XE:
£350 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/c20xe-redtop-engine-complete-with-F20-gearbox_W0QQitemZ330366592276QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK _CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item4ceb62251 4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1182)
Picking a random manufacturer with a 2.0 engine, ford zetec full recon'd:
£200 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ford-Zetec-2-0-Engine-Fully-reconditioned_W0QQitemZ230386268796QQcmdZViewItemQ QptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item35a 4177a7c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_718wt_1167)
C20XE's are always gonna pull in better money because of their huge demand in vaux conversions/kit cars etc, hence 'scene tax' lol
/\ yeah, but the xe has everything with it & a gearbox. the zetec is virtually a bare engine
/\ yeah, but the xe has everything with it & a gearbox. the zetec is virtually a bare engine
Noticed that, but fully rebuilt and a lot newer too, was pretty much the first engine I came across on ebay. Could do it all day though;
X20XEV:
£150 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-X20XEV-ecotec-engine-2-0-16v_W0QQitemZ250506389969QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3a535829d1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_1182)
Audi 2.0 16v:
£127 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/91-AUDI-80-2-0-16v-6a-Engine-VW-Golf-Corrado_W0QQitemZ270467455788QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK _CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3ef91ddb2 c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_1410wt_1167)
Toyota Celica/Avensis 2.0 16v vvti:
£200 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOYOTA-AVENSIS-2-0-VVTI-ENGINE_W0QQitemZ290355852949QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item439a8eb695&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_500wt_956)
djbrowney
13-10-09, 10:03 PM
The block's are petty much the same, the is no relive valve on the oil gallery in the top of the block, the mains caps are slightly differnt but an xe crank will fit :cool:
if you find late eco they came with a griddle as well :thumb:
if i was building one my self i would just use an xe head an a eco block, a whole eco can be picked up for £50 and an xe head for £50 :thumb:
if you find late eco they came with a griddle as well :thumb:
if i was building one my self i would just use an xe head an a eco block, a whole eco can be picked up for £50 and an xe head for £50 :thumb:
Have read about the girdled blocks being stronger but I've never seen an XE block crack (unless lee was trying to make sex with the insides with a conrod) so it came across as a somewhat moot point, Would swapping the heads not cause management issues with various sensors?
djbrowney
13-10-09, 10:10 PM
the only problem i could see would be the cam shaft senor, run;s of the cam pulley iirc
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