View Full Version : E16 SE Not starting!!!!!!!
novanova636
09-10-09, 04:46 PM
Hi ive just fitted a e16 se engine to my car which originaly was 1.2 spi,
Ive connected the 4 wires required from the eninge loom. When i turn the ignition on i can hear the fuel pump prime. The prob is it isnt producing a spark. Ive checked the dizzy cap rotor arm and leads. They are not in the best condition but would think they'd give a small spark but nothing. Just run out of things to check.
Has anyone got any ideas????
Thanks
Sounds like youve got a prime suspect already, change your ignition leads and throw a rotor arm in for good measure too, if not then recheck your coil wiring and earths!
novanova636
09-10-09, 05:09 PM
sorry should have said i have put a new rotor arm on. i checked i was getting power to the coil with a volt meter. So i think it is the ht leads maybe dizzy cap. But just wanted to see if it could be something im over looking.
Id give it some new leads mate if you think theyre a bit tatty then theyre probably goosed inside, bung a new set on and see how you go (hellfrauds is open till 8pm usually) get ya skates on lol
Have you earthed the engine loom via the rocker cover.
novanova636
09-10-09, 05:23 PM
yeah think i will have to spudly. Yes i have. The earth that come out along the fuel rail?
just done a search and read something about the coil. Are they the same for the e16se and the original 1.2 spi?
boyle_46
09-10-09, 07:38 PM
the 1.2 coil will not do , give me 2 mins and il digg out a pic of the coil you need .
iirc , the 3rd coil in that pic is the 1.2 spi coil , you will need the one that i have my finger on for the E16SE , there should be a plug on the engine loom to go coil il get more pics if you need mate .
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/boyle_46/DSC00637-1.jpg
16v Nova Kev
09-10-09, 08:06 PM
my e16se engine has the same coil as the third one in the pic...
Middle coil is an SR item.
novanova636
09-10-09, 09:05 PM
ah well there is one part of my problem lol. i do have the coil on the right hand side! could you please get me a picture of the plug that connects to it. i do have a couple plugs left from the engine loom that i have not connected. i thought they would be for the oil pressure or something lol. cheers for your replies guys!!
novanova636
09-10-09, 09:07 PM
my e16se engine has the same coil as the third one in the pic...
ah got excited and didnt read this post!! so im confused now lol
Markd89
10-10-09, 07:41 PM
have you ran earth from the battery all over the engine to make sure it isnt an earth ?
Also change your ignition wires round ( what spudly said )
If not change the coil over
Trial and error mate
boyle_46
10-10-09, 07:52 PM
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc149/boyle_46/DSC00535.jpg
you should have a plug like the one on the right , it plugs into the coil hope this helps
ah got excited and didnt read this post!! so im confused now lol
E16SE is similar coil to 1.2 but different code stamped/sticky labelled onto it, it's actually XE for either for the 1.2 or the E16 (can't remember which) strangely.
novanova636
10-10-09, 08:28 PM
I havnt checked the engine with a earth but looks all wired up correctly mark. I will give it ago tho. Yeah boyle got that plug connected to the coil! Mk999. Can I use my coil from my 1.2? Still unsure!
novanova636
12-10-09, 06:26 PM
ok so today i cleaned all the connectors on the HT leads. I have got power going to the coil and down the main HT lead to the dizzy cap. But when i turn it over i am not getting anything to the other side of the cap. It is a new dizzy cap and rotor arm! Cant see why it is not bridging the gap on the dizzy! Any idears?
Cheers dave
does the rotor arm spin when you turn it over as i had the same problem with my e16se and it was a plastic clip on the dizzy that located it to the cam had broke if its this they are 3pound from vauxhall
novalicous
12-10-09, 06:35 PM
have you got the earth from the gearbox to the chassie?
novanova636
12-10-09, 07:58 PM
yeah all earth ok. even ran an extra one from the battery to the earth point next to the fuel rail. And the rotor arm spins all fine!
Dirtydog1
12-10-09, 08:08 PM
i reckon theres a good chance it will be the little sprung loaded carbon connector that sits in the middle of the cap! they crumble away. pop a cap on it.
Dirtydog1
12-10-09, 08:09 PM
oops, i didnt read the 2nd page :( ignore that /\
novanova636
12-10-09, 08:30 PM
yeah got a new dizzy cap mate. i was thinking that the arm might not be touching that little bit. Is there a couple of different rotor arms that fit? I had to change the whole bit that bolts to the engine for the dizzy cap as it had the wrong plug on it for the engine loom. So i had to just match up the arm as best as possible down halfords!!
you have got the correct dizzy then as there are two types theres bosch or lucas???
novanova636
13-10-09, 06:45 PM
I have the orange one. Basicsly the same as the old one apart from the brass bits in the end of the cap that the ht leads fit to. The old one had like nipple but the new one is a female fit! Think I'm just going to get a whole dizzy set off some one off here!
thats the bosch set up.there are 2 different types of dizzy for the bosch set up
novanova636
13-10-09, 08:00 PM
Yeah I thought there was. Went down Halfords to have a look at there dizzys but they only had black ones!
stevie78
13-10-09, 09:40 PM
HAD THE SAME PROBLEM CHANGEING MINE FROM 14 TO 16 .BELIVE IT OR NOT WHEN I WIRED UP THE GREEN REV COUNTER WIRE TO THE COIL SHE STARTED SPARKING AND AWAY IT WENT lol
novanova636
14-10-09, 10:33 AM
ah that could be it as i have not wired the green wire in yet! will do that tonight! cheers fella
I was going to say about the carbon brusher inside the distributor cap like somebody has mentioned, try taking it and the little spring out and put them back in because these can become stuck too far in and won't contact.
Can't see how wiring the rev counter in will make a change
novanova636
14-10-09, 05:57 PM
just wired it in and it sounded like it wanted to start for a second and back fired. cant check for a spark as im in on my own lol!! can someone confirm what part of the dizzy cap is for HT lead 1 please.
novanova636
14-10-09, 06:28 PM
HAD THE SAME PROBLEM CHANGEING MINE FROM 14 TO 16 .BELIVE IT OR NOT WHEN I WIRED UP THE GREEN REV COUNTER WIRE TO THE COIL SHE STARTED SPARKING AND AWAY IT WENT lol
Ok my umate just came round so went and checked her again and it is getting spark!! Cheers dude + rep. who would have thought a rev gauge wire would make it spark lol. Thanks again
novanova636
15-10-09, 09:35 PM
can anyone tell me what order the leads go on the dizzy cap please. What post in number 1?
can anyone tell me what order the leads go on the dizzy cap please. What post in number 1?
Depends which you're calling number 1 lol Can't remember the firing order off hand but it starts at 1 in the "2 o clock" post as you look at the dizzy from the passenger side. 1 being cam belt end iirc, fairly sure.
novanova636
16-10-09, 10:37 AM
so looking from the front of the car its the post at the top and front of the dizzy?
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