View Full Version : good bye engine changes
General Baxter
30-09-09, 11:32 AM
http://www.yell.com/motoring/blog/wave-goodbye-to-engine-transplants/
Not so much the end, just trying to make it harder by the sound of that, im sure there will be people who can get round it by simply asking a mate who owns a garage to provide a report saying that they have done or checked the conversion to a satisfactory standard:thumb:
General Baxter
30-09-09, 11:35 AM
its only the start lol
So that means all Novas will become useless lol
And the ones with completed conversions will start appearing on pistonheads for £27.500..............
Oh hang on, they already go up on there for that lol
From what I can see it just means that you need proof of the engine change every time it's changed rather than the lucky ones just getting it changed on V5 with no proof.
General Lee
30-09-09, 11:49 AM
£27.50 spud :p
I'm moving country this ones gone to pop.
£27.50 spud :p
Not really as you can see whats going to happen, people will think well if you cant do conversions anymore, then people who dont have an XE or LET nova and want one will have to pay more, therefore mine which is already done will be worth £10k, and some desperate plum would probably pay it lol
hc coupe
30-09-09, 11:58 AM
So....more people won't bother to tell the DVLA that their 1.2 is now a 2.0 .......GREAT :wtf: .
Although , I can see why they are making it a little strickter TBF.....
General Lee
30-09-09, 12:05 PM
Not really as you can see whats going to happen, people will think well if you cant do conversions anymore, then people who dont have an XE or LET nova and want one will have to pay more, therefore mine which is already done will be worth £10k, and some desperate plum would probably pay it lol
No sorry i mean you put £27.50 instead of £27,500
No sorry i mean you put £27.50 instead of £27,500
Errr, no i didnt, it says £27.500 i cant do stealth edits so it would say 'edited by spudly' underneath lol
Think he's picking up on your americanisms. We use commas over here, and decimal places are "." lol
Think he's picking up on your americanisms. We use commas over here, and decimal places are "." lol
If he was then he is pickier than i am lol
Oooh, looky 10k posts lol
Southie
30-09-09, 12:44 PM
Oooh, looky 10k posts lol
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jTSS1sWOKdI/RuOLA3Sr1QI/AAAAAAAAAtI/zaVKlmIXDg0/s320/whoopi.jpg
General Lee
30-09-09, 01:14 PM
If he was then he is pickier than i am lol
Oooh, looky 10k posts lol
Yeah i was, you get me on the brought/ bought so i thought i would get some vengence. :p But now i know how god damn :wall: anoying it is I am sorry. :O
Yeah i was, you get me on the brought/ bought so i thought i would get some vengence. :p But now i know how god damn :wall: anoying it is I am sorry. :O
Touche lol
Fair one bud, in future i shall write it as £27,500 or just £27.5k :p
Meh loads of blox TBH.
Yet another legal pen pusher exercise i shall be ignoring.
craig green
30-09-09, 01:57 PM
It's nothing new. There has been talk of it for years.
And as i just thought it will also encourage more people to do undisclosed engine conversions aswell:roll:
NASTYNOVA
30-09-09, 03:56 PM
meh, **** em, not gonna stop doing what i enjoy!! hopefully it wont make parts such as mounts, engines etc harder to get hold of!! lmao
you probedly end up with showing youre conversion to the dvla. the check it, and say yes or no.
thats how it works here since 2 months.
note that before we had to go through a complete test incl. braking and handling. with a total cost of 800 pounds.
from al the c20xe nova's only 2 where tested lol the rest of us drove around insured as 1.2 :D
now its only 55 euro.
matthew172
30-09-09, 04:47 PM
i recently converted the wifes nova to a 2.0 and when we went to the dvla to register changes on log book they wanted written proof on headed and embossed paper with engine numbers and chassis number as evidence that said engine is actually in the car,
when we got this we went back with log book and letter from garage and all was fine, paid difference on tax, log book was sent away, 2 weeks later it dropped through our door with 1998cc on logbook,
id rather have the hassle of registering it propperly than potentialy loose the car if caught
rednova
30-09-09, 04:55 PM
is it any garage who can inspect it and say its fine? would an mot suffice?
if your car is insured as a 2ltr turbo say... but logbook still says 2ltr what can they do? as its still legal and insured right....
if your car is insured as a 2ltr turbo say... but logbook still says 2ltr what can they do? as its still legal and insured right....
Logbook merely denotes engine displacement NOT aspiration.
Logbook merely denotes engine displacement NOT aspiration.
Sorry.... big words in that, what you mean lol :)
It does seem rather sill to me, that with all the mindless numpties out there with undisclosed conversions, that they would make it so hard for you to actually do things legally and register it correctly:roll:
Sorry.... big words in that, what you mean lol :)
He means, it means logbook only shows the engine size/capacity, not the fuelling type, be it carbs/injection or turbo:thumb:
It does seem rather sill to me, that with all the mindless numpties out there with undisclosed conversions, that they would make it so hard for you to actually do things legally and register it correctly:roll:
He means, it means logbook only shows the engine size/capacity, not the fuelling type, be it carbs/injection or turbo:thumb:
Oh rite, nice one :)
Reason i say is, ive got a mk3 GSi with turbo... on log book states its 2ltr... but insured as a 2ltr turbo etc with adrian flux... so that not illeagal... if so i wil have to get the log book done.
craig green
30-09-09, 05:06 PM
is it any garage who can inspect it and say its fine? would an mot suffice?
It's usually called an engineers report. It should be completed by an engineer of sorts I guess. Maybe back street mechanics can complete the paper work, but like an MOT, I would guess VOSA may get involved & then the risk/responsibility falls back on the poor mechanic.
Oh rite, nice one :)
Reason i say is, ive got a mk3 GSi with turbo... on log book states its 2ltr... but insured as a 2ltr turbo etc with adrian flux... so that not illeagal... if so i wil have to get the log book done.
Not illegal at all no.
So....more people won't bother to tell the DVLA that their 1.2 is now a 2.0 .......GREAT :wtf: .
Exactly. Rod for their own backs if you ask me.
Exactly. Rod for their own backs if you ask me.
Exactly what I was thinking.
scott.parker
30-09-09, 05:31 PM
lol love that silly article!
It's nothing new eh, this is the hassle i went through with my car, it's only "hassle" at the moment as they have not trained the staff properly how to deal with it, as mine went back and forth 5 times? i have 3 log books now, one with it as 998cc in orange, one with it saying 1998cc and orange (this is the one i will use) then another turned up with all the details the same, but after the garage sent the headed letter for cc/code it came with c20xe(engine code here)1998cc lol lol they are stupid!
But it's nothing to hard to sort, just means less assholes with 1.2 log book cars, as the garages input there info on the online MOT database and it shows up what it is to the DVLA, BUSTED!
CoolTiger
30-09-09, 05:39 PM
alot of undeclared engine conversions then
scott.parker
30-09-09, 05:43 PM
NO, Mr MOT has a PC thats online now, so when he type's G15 WTF into his database, along with 1998cc and then it pops up 1.2 he can inform DVLA within seconds..
sparkie1401
30-09-09, 05:51 PM
thank fook mine is all sorted 1998cc, blue, correct engine number and code
What a crock of sh!t. Much LOL-ing here lol
Someone is scaremongering. That article, presented as "new news", has been the case for years. See my article (http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121295) about updating your logbook. Some people get asked for evidence, some don't - seems to depend on how slack the DVLA are feeling that day - but I'd rather play it safe and follow the proper procedure.
Bottom line is
No change people, its how it has been for years.
just do what alot of users on all forums have been doing quietly, gwet a set of stamps from machine mart or snap on, and stamp the original engine number on your xe..... btw neg rep me if you like but ive seen it/ know it happens.:thumb:
what are you all b!tching over?!?!
new rules (eu rules) made us dutch guys putting there engine transplants on the documents.
last year (old rules) there where only 2 (!!!!!!) c20xe/ne nova's who where declaired in the netherlands.
it is going to be a sort of mot where the look at youre conversion, (mounts, brakes etc etc) and the weight is checked. total costs of 55 euro.
Thankfully i can stamp my letters of proof myself.. :)
Ive just sent my logbook off witht he new engine code, no tax class change if they send it back without changing it i wont bother again, its not worth the hassle
[quote=Rich]Thankfully i can stamp my letters of proof myself.. :)
same as that mate! :)
im all good though my new gsi is a 2.0 on the v5
so i only have to change over the number!
NASTYNOVA
01-10-09, 11:22 PM
Thankfully i can stamp my letters of proof myself.. :)
looks like you could make some £££ with that mate!!
^ why? Any garage could write you a quick dit to say the car checks out.
As for the people who say the car will get nobbled at MOT time, just take a moment to think about that. Ok, say you go from a 1.2 to 2.0. You need to go to the DVLA to apply for new tax. So off you go, but oh dear you need MOT to tax the car. Ok, no problem, off to the MOT station - but oh dear the MOT tester won't test it because its supposedly coming up on the computer wrong.
I've never seen anyone get bummed at MOT time with an undeclared engine change - Craig simply input my new engine capacity on his machine when I had mine MOT'd after putting the 3.0 in (as I needed an MOT before I could re-tax the car).
Not sure the MOT takes the cc of the car tbh! Only thing affected is if its a petrol or diesel
^ why? Any garage could write you a quick dit to say the car checks out.
As for the people who say the car will get nobbled at MOT time, just take a moment to think about that. Ok, say you go from a 1.2 to 2.0. You need to go to the DVLA to apply for new tax. So off you go, but oh dear you need MOT to tax the car. Ok, no problem, off to the MOT station - but oh dear the MOT tester won't test it because its supposedly coming up on the computer wrong.
I've never seen anyone get bummed at MOT time with an undeclared engine change - Craig simply input my new engine capacity on his machine when I had mine MOT'd after putting the 3.0 in (as I needed an MOT before I could re-tax the car).
Depends on the tester, guys that did mine at the place my uncle works put the reg in and tried doing it on a cat test and when I said it's an older engine they just said computer says no until I *made* them test it non cat, although the fuel reg is funked so it was running lean as hell and would have passed the modern test better than most brand new cars lol
i have the manager of the local vaux dealer writing me a letter confirming engine no. and capacity, confirming its fitted to the car etc., this should do but also have a friend who is an MOT tester, think i'll get him to give it the once over (has loads of MOT left) and get a letter from him as well to confirm the conversion has been done and carried out in a safe way. do i put c20let14**** on the logbook or just the numbers though?
You put the full engine number on there.
C20LET is the engine code, not the engine number.
Makes up part of the engine number you put on the log book though? I put the C20LET bit on mine anyway.
Hm, I didn't bother with mine as the old engine number didn't have the code as part of it. I don't really suppose it matters though, so long as it matches up
I thought you would need to as there will probably be an XE with the same engine number as a LET, not that it really matter though.....
fcuk the DVLA. That is all.
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