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bmw156
21-09-09, 09:41 PM
ok, so i decided to start this build. i picked up an XE of burgo and am working towards getting it good. basically going for the big kit of migweb (£450) but getting it of ebay as its a tad cheaper. should get the engine to a good state.

head needs to be skimmed. and some other small bits of work.

just gonna run standard power, maybe a set of fast road cams and a good exhaust manifold.

after ages of trying to decided between, injection or carbs i choose carbs. for a few reasons, i have always wanted a set of 40's or 45's. i love carbs. and there is less wires everywhere so thats all cool. and also i will get away with low emisions. so i am looking for either a set of 40's jetted and choked to the max, or a set of 45's down choked/jetted.

then, im gonna run mega jolt for ignition to make it simpler.

what car, im unsure yet, im keeping my eyes open. but something 70's/80's rear wheel drive. i will make the XE fit in. use a coverter bell housing and then probably a type 9 gearbox and then custom propshaft and then the cars standard rear diff etc. i am loving the viva's, chevetts and early cav's

should be awesome once i have done and a quick toy for me to enjoy

so less of the talking and some first pics of the engine etc etc.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/c20xe/DSC_2344.jpg
ok so got it on the engine stand and just had a quick fit together to see how it all looks, im liking it.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/c20xe/DSC_2353.jpg

i know the inlet cam is wrong lol, was just playing about.

no more pics atm, but the head has been stripped of the valve stem seals. and is bare now. going to get it skimmed soon to get rid of the pitting on the bottom side, to make sure it isnt warped and so it makes a good seal with the head gasket.

cleaned up the block, stripped it totally. both faces are good and im gonna buy a honing kit, so i can lighlty hone the bores and remove the slight lip at the top of the bores.

i measured the crankshaft and its all good and not gone oval, and with the shells it looks good. the shells are being replaced btw.

so for now, im concentrating on getting the engine good, while keeping my eyes open for a set of delorto's ( main reason over webers is the dellortos are better for road driving) a cool shell for the Xe to go into and a few bits for my XE, rocker cover, calbelt cover and maybe some fast road cams.

philip
22-09-09, 08:08 AM
get the pistons pocketed and run some decent lift cams be good to go then.

will have sump ready to go this week too, im flat out trying to get an XE mini finished for 2moz!!:mad:

bmw156
22-09-09, 08:15 AM
cheers phillip, the sump will be great.

Sloth
22-09-09, 01:24 PM
sump????? as in rwd sump? and martin there is 2 mk1 cavs near you on ebay, one is £200 and has mot and the other is 99p but needs work. the mot'd one is better for a conversion mate. due to gearlever hole etc.

rob

bmw156
22-09-09, 01:32 PM
sump????? as in rwd sump? and martin there is 2 mk1 cavs near you on ebay, one is £200 and has mot and the other is 99p but needs work. the mot'd one is better for a conversion mate. due to gearlever hole etc.

rob
in a mustard colour. im watching it pal.

but atm, im not really looking out for cars, as a mate is getting a van soon, and he has a trailer and he's not afraid to travel to get cars. so when hegets a tow vechile, i will start looking.

thanks sloth

p.s, no a normal sump.

Sloth
22-09-09, 05:05 PM
kool mate, any mk1 cav gen just pm me. have ya thought of a manta? cheap and the later ones are injection so easier to do. just that they rot more lol. but then all cavs disolve badly....

saloonwoody
22-09-09, 08:11 PM
if theres big lips on the bores you may wanna think about a rebore ?

bmw156
27-09-09, 06:07 PM
just a small update, i have bought a honing kit, and a valve lapping tool and some paste

the head is being skimmed tomorrow. £32.50, which i thought was a fair price.

then i will have a good clean up of the head. and assemble it.

and im gonna start buying service bits for the engine, like gaskets etc etc

djbrowney
27-09-09, 06:09 PM
drop steveboyslim a pm over on mig for your rebuild parts mate

bmw156
27-09-09, 06:10 PM
is he the one who does the 450 quid kits?

because i worked out, i can get all my bits posted for about 350, as i dont need tensioners, which are about 70

djbrowney
27-09-09, 06:12 PM
a hole camblet kit is £50 so were does £70 come from, no he dosnet advertise stuff its just word of mouth mate

link to £450 kit ??? seem very expensive to me ???

bmw156
27-09-09, 06:14 PM
a hole camblet kit is £50 so were does £70 come from, no he dosnet advertise stuff its just word of mouth mate

link to £450 kit ??? seem very expensive to me ???
this stuff is GM

http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/items-sale/333852-trade-c20let-c20xe-rebuild-parts-more.html

the very first "kit" of bits

and the 70 quid price is just what i have heard in the past, just saying i dont need them lol

djbrowney
27-09-09, 06:19 PM
you dont need the steel head gasket complete waste of time, use your old oil pump (check the gears are ok and fit a nylon relife valve) and buy a complete cambelt kit is not worth the risk.

im sure you could buy all the parts your self cheaper from sbs and auto vaux

sorry jav lol

bmw156
27-09-09, 07:00 PM
see i dont wanna reus my oil pump incase its over used etc. bt as you say, check it etc.

and i know the tensioners are brand new, so im just gonna buy a cambelt. and yeh gonna start looking at autovaux.

also i am gonna get a tripple layered head gasket, as my head is on the limit because its been skimmed, so it will hopefully get the compression back to somewhere normal and it should stop some valve/piston love making

djbrowney
27-09-09, 07:59 PM
the steel gaskets are no thicker than a standard one mate, jut check your oil pump i would rather use that than a pattern part one any day !!!

djbrowney
27-09-09, 08:00 PM
just for the record a new gm oil pump is £197 on it own plus the vat from auto vaux i darent even ring vauxhall lol

bmw156
29-09-09, 08:27 PM
Ok, i got paid, so the head has been sent away to be skimmed and i am getting it back tomorrow night, the guy said he couldnt take away all the pitting, but it will be ok.

i ordered:
valve lapping tool
honing kit
head gasket set
bottom end gasket set
bonded baffle plate
main bearings
big end bearings
plugs
water pump
cool running thermo
timing belt
head bolts

just waiting for it all to turn up.

also been reading into Mega jolt
and found some useful links for information and parts

for a mini, but same principle

http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=51065

http://www.autosportlabs.net/index.php?title=MegaJolt_Lite_Jr._Users_Welcome

and AF racing who do kits
http://www.afracing.co.uk/MJ/index.htm

also, been looking into the oil pump situation,

and think im just gonna measure my one and then fit a relief valve as mentioned above from SBD, their code is OS-NV-1-K and price is 49.95 which i dont think is to bad, because if my gears are ok, and i fit this for 50 quid, it saves me buying a aftermarket one for 50 quid.

good times.

Adam
29-09-09, 09:29 PM
Meh, fook the nylon relief valve, more hassle than they are worth IMO

MJ kits
http://trigger-wheels.com/store/

Most difficult part is mounting a 36-1 trigger wheel/ford crank sensor

bmw156
29-09-09, 09:30 PM
Meh, fook the nylon relief valve, more hassle than they are worth IMO

MJ kits
http://trigger-wheels.com/store/

Most difficult part is mounting a 36-1 trigger wheel/ford crank sensor
ok, thanks adam, what does the valve do?? from sbd?

djbrowney
29-09-09, 10:58 PM
i see no big end/main bolts ???

bmw156
29-09-09, 11:36 PM
i see no big end/main bolts ???

correct,

i am unsure yet to go for ARP's or just normal.

should they always be replaced?

and i doubt i will run ARP's as im not aiming for any high power so...

djbrowney
30-09-09, 08:10 AM
they say to measure them iirc but i dont have that book they all follow so i just replace them, no need for arp if you dont want to rev the tits off it but they are a small insurance lol

philip
30-09-09, 08:31 AM
any pics of the head now?

bmw156
01-10-09, 07:03 PM
hey guys
i got the head back today, and the guy let me down yesterday.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/c20xe/DSC_2541.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/c20xe/DSC_2542.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/c20xe/DSC_2544.jpg

it was pitted, thats why i got it skimmed, and it has lost alot of the pitting, but some still remains. the guy who skimmed it said it would be fine as long as it doesnt go into the seal ring.

and also some new parts arrived, a valve lapping tool and paste
head bolts

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/c20xe/DSC_2547.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/c20xe/DSC_2549.jpg

waiting for more mr postman now.

NathanSRi
01-10-09, 08:38 PM
Nice work :thumb:

Sorted a car yet? :p

bmw156
01-10-09, 08:41 PM
thanks dude,

nah i havent sorted a car, yet. i will start to look in the future when the engine is good. and ready

not sure what to go for, something rear wheel drive, and small and light. doesnt have to be vauxhall

NathanSRi
01-10-09, 08:46 PM
and small and light. doesnt have to be vauxhall

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_abjdfre12MQ/SSR5h0u_piI/AAAAAAAAAro/YczN2Mm3KiE/s320/p50sale.jpg
:thumb:

bmw156
01-10-09, 08:49 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_abjdfre12MQ/SSR5h0u_piI/AAAAAAAAAro/YczN2Mm3KiE/s320/p50sale.jpg
:thumb:

consider it done lollollollol

bmw156
02-10-09, 05:13 PM
ok, got through a cold running thermostat, 82 deg rather then 92 deg.

a baffle plate with bonded gasket.
just a quick question, do i still need any other gaskets with this bonded gasket?

Sloth
02-10-09, 05:19 PM
what do you want? id buy mikes corsa tbh. ideal for a conversion.:thumb:

bmw156
02-10-09, 05:22 PM
nah, im going for RWD, i saw mikes corsa, but as i said i want something which started out as RWD, like a mk1 cav or something from that era.

Sloth
02-10-09, 05:31 PM
go get a morris marina, ital, or trumph dolomite, or hilman avenger.

bmw156
02-10-09, 05:32 PM
i have been looking at the dolmites and they are going quite cheap. up to about 500 quid. and will have a look at the others.

yayoboy
02-10-09, 05:33 PM
just a quick question, do i still need any other gaskets with this bonded gasket?

no mate

bmw156
02-10-09, 05:36 PM
no mate

thanks dude.:thumb:

Sloth
02-10-09, 05:38 PM
avengers use alot of the same components as a mk2 escort, so lots of trick bits available.

bmw156
02-10-09, 05:39 PM
avengers use alot of the same components as a mk2 escort, so lots of trick bits available.

oooooo thats cool.

tbh tho it doesnt matter what i buy, i will just cut in a type 9 box, and make the rest fit lol .

Sloth
02-10-09, 05:40 PM
i wouldnt bother with a type 9, just use a r25 from an omega. far cheaper, and bolts straight up.

bmw156
02-10-09, 05:41 PM
oooooo and is the right way for RWD

Sloth
02-10-09, 05:44 PM
yup. they go for £30 up. just get the gearlever housing, and the prop and get it cut and welded.

bmw156
04-10-09, 09:09 PM
welll i got some more parts through, all my bearings, water pump, bottom end gaskets. timing belt.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/c20xe/DSC_2550.jpg

what are the three small gaskets for, is one the sump bolt gasket.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/c20xe/DSC_2552.jpg

also cleaned up all my valves and seats ready to go back into the new head, i know they should all be numbered and go in where they came from, but i got them like this.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/c20xe/DSC_2554.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/c20xe/DSC_2555.jpg

also gonna look into getting my head steam cleaned for ultra freshness lol

and then im gonna lap in the valves and be away.

burgo
04-10-09, 09:16 PM
it is very rare that you will use all the gaskets so dont be to worrried if you have some left.

Benn
04-10-09, 09:35 PM
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/c20xe/DSC_2552.jpg


Check that water pump, make sure the propellers arnt plastic!

bmw156
04-10-09, 09:36 PM
Check that water pump, make sure the propellers arnt plastic!

already checked, they are metal and have casting marks on them,

if they are plastic, do they break alot im guessing....

Benn
04-10-09, 09:45 PM
They can break, also seen the whole propeller come lose. so when you speed up it starts slipping on the shaft.. Either way way are poo.

Metal is the only way to run.

Sump bolt washer needs to be copper.

bmw156
04-10-09, 10:13 PM
They can break, also seen the whole propeller come lose. so when you speed up it starts slipping on the shaft.. Either way way are poo.

Metal is the only way to run.

Sump bolt washer needs to be copper.

yeh i thought that about the sump bolt washer, thanks :)

im waiting on a sump from philip, and poossibly a steam clean on the head and then i should be good to start reassembling.

philip
05-10-09, 01:06 PM
im on it this week matey:thumb:

bmw156
05-10-09, 05:16 PM
cheers phil will be great thanks,

any gen on those pistons?

philip
05-10-09, 10:10 PM
ive cleared inbox now. pm what your after.

bmw156
09-10-09, 10:12 PM
ok so i got some more parts through and have began to lap in the valves, baring in mind i have never done this befor i think its going well. my mate told me, when doing it the surface should go dull and im happy the surface has gone dull, picssss


http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2558.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2561.jpg

the bottom left one is the one which has been lapped, note the shiney ness of the right side one and the dullness of the left one.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2562.jpg

and then build up that one, with new stem seal.

a few questions:

the stem seals, should they go right to the bottom and stop the bottom spring plate moving. or should there be a gap and allow the plate to move.

and

my spring compressor. seems to hit the side of the head, and wont allow it to compress ( i could do the end one, from end on, which gave me more room) so what should i do about this? is this a common problem.

Benn
09-10-09, 10:18 PM
Make sure you take the tappets apart and clean them out(when you get to that point)

bmw156
10-10-09, 10:06 AM
Make sure you take the tappets apart and clean them out(when you get to that point)

yeh i read this before, how do you get them apart, as i had a go at pulling the middle bit out but it wouldn't budge.

and the ones i have had surface rust on the outside and i am probably gonna replace them. and just soak the new ones in oil.

Benn
10-10-09, 10:18 AM
Tap them down wards on a bit of rag on a bit of wood, will hurt your hand doing it but they will pop out.

NathanSRi
10-10-09, 11:26 AM
Looks good dude :thumb:

djbrowney
10-10-09, 05:10 PM
Make sure you take the tappets apart and clean them out(when you get to that point)

i have given up trying to find none noisy one now and just fit some from a late eco tek so much better :thumb:

bmw156
10-10-09, 06:32 PM
i have given up trying to find none noisy one now and just fit some from a late eco tek so much better :thumb:


oooooooo can you get me a link for some please, maybe ebay.

or an engine code :)

Benn
11-10-09, 10:49 AM
i have given up trying to find none noisy one now and just fit some from a late eco tek so much better :thumb:

Just take them apart and clean them...

djbrowney
11-10-09, 01:10 PM
Just take them apart and clean them...

not a lot of use when you take them apart and find that some are broken :thumb:

Benn
11-10-09, 01:27 PM
You broke some? Wow never seen that before...

djbrowney
11-10-09, 09:24 PM
You broke some? Wow never seen that before...

you have never cleaned them properly before then, by pushing the ball in the tappet which is sprung loaded, if the ball dosnt pop back out its ****ed :p

Benn
11-10-09, 09:34 PM
I've cleaned maybe 4 sets and they've all sprung back out. Takes a bit to break a spring (guessing there a spring inside them)

bmw156
14-10-09, 05:34 PM
ok so i ordered some more bits for the engine from QED (great service btw)

some new water pump bolts, exhaust studs and cam cap nuts. and also some stretch bolts for the main bearings.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2290/dsc2564.jpg (http://img118.imageshack.us/i/dsc2564.jpg/) http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/dsc2564.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img118/dsc2564.jpg/1/)


http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/5097/dsc2566.jpg (http://img118.imageshack.us/i/dsc2566.jpg/) http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/dsc2566.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img118/dsc2566.jpg/1/)

any tips on fitting the exhaust studs, im guessing i should tap out the holes so they dont have any crap in there, but what about making sure they are tight, should i wind a nut right down to the blank on the stud and then make sure the stud is tight that way?

and does the long end or short end go in, im guessing short.....

philip
14-10-09, 05:53 PM
short side in with some loctite and double nut the stud because if wind a nut to the shoulder it will tighten up on the shoulder before it tightens up in the thread.

and what are those nyloc nuts for? hope there not to hold the cap caps down?

bmw156
14-10-09, 06:11 PM
short side in with some loctite and double nut the stud because if wind a nut to the shoulder it will tighten up on the shoulder before it tightens up in the thread.

and what are those nyloc nuts for? hope there not to hold the cap caps down?

thanks for the stud info, and yeh, those lock nuts are for the cam caps, should i not use them?

i will get a link to the item :)

bmw156
14-10-09, 06:13 PM
http://qedmotorsport.co.uk/qed-shop/vauxhall-xe-c20xe/cylinder-head-components/cam-cap-nuts

link to the cam cap nuts

djbrowney
14-10-09, 06:18 PM
are you mad whats wrong with auto vaux ???

bmw156
14-10-09, 06:27 PM
are you mad whats wrong with auto vaux ???

please explain!

Benn
14-10-09, 06:28 PM
are you mad whats wrong with auto vaux ???

I can think of a few things..

djbrowney
14-10-09, 07:13 PM
please explain!

you have purchased item's from qed what you could have got from auto vaux or even vauxhall cheaper :cry:

djbrowney
14-10-09, 07:16 PM
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2290/dsc2564.jpg (http://img118.imageshack.us/i/dsc2564.jpg/).....

are the cam cap bolts nylock nuts ???

Benn
14-10-09, 07:23 PM
Not as std they arnt.

bmw156
14-10-09, 07:23 PM
yeh benn told me i could of got them cheaper from VX, i was buying some bits from QED as it was and just got these bits as well.

and yeh they are nylocs for the cam caps.

djbrowney
14-10-09, 07:27 PM
Not as std they arnt.

i no that lol Thats why i asked the question because i though it was a bit random replacing them with nylocks. Is that a good idea i have seen small bits of nylon come of them when doing them up ???

Benn
14-10-09, 07:28 PM
I've said no, use the ones that are on it...

djbrowney
14-10-09, 07:29 PM
i havent ever hurd of anyone having having problems with them ???

to qed sell them as an uprated item do they ???

Benn
14-10-09, 07:31 PM
Same, Do Qed sell them as uprated tho? Or just replace ment?

djbrowney
14-10-09, 07:36 PM
seems a pretty shody replacment imo, that seems pretty mad tbh. im sure that litlte pieces of nylon would do the engine the world of good lol

imo bmw156 i would use standard bolts and washers, if you dont have enough pm your address and i will send some over mate

Benn
14-10-09, 07:37 PM
Think he's gonna.

bmw156
14-10-09, 08:36 PM
thanks guys for the help, i will get onto QED in the morning and see what their reasoning is...

and yeh i am gonna use standard ones, thanks guys.

bmw156
15-10-09, 09:00 PM
ok so cracked on today with some work,

put in my new exhaust studs, will get a pic sometime lol. using the double nut method, worked great.

and also as my stupid spring compressor was to small i made some small adjustments to it.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2568.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2569.jpg

i also won a set of cams and a set of pistons and con rods of ebay, all standard stuff. so they should be cool. now i can finish of the head, and stick it in a box lol.

also today i was researching what cars have had redtops put in them, and found a triumph dolmite, vauxhall vista and a opel kadette. some good WIP's on them and it inspires me.

also doing some reading up on the gearbox side of things as well. there are afew i could go for.

IIRC omega RWD: big and bulky but takes big BHP
opel manta 1.8 will take up to about 200 bhp, but rare.
the type 9 ford box, readily available and loads of uprated parts for the internals.
type 5 box. takes bigger BHP then the type 9

so i think its still gonna be a type 9 box, for the future possibilities

Benn
15-10-09, 09:30 PM
Head studs? You planning on taking the head off lots? lol

Good work tho.

bmw156
15-10-09, 09:39 PM
Head studs? You planning on taking the head off lots? lol

Good work tho.

cheers benn, and i dunno what you mean about the head studs :d

let_nova
15-10-09, 10:15 PM
seen a RWD XE'd 205gti at the mull rally.

Benn
16-10-09, 08:04 AM
cheers benn, and i dunno what you mean about the head studs :d

Head studs are for people that remove the head every week as the bolts don't stretch as much so they can be reused. Where you'll be bolting it on and leave it alone for a good long time...

bmw156
16-10-09, 09:02 AM
lol, yeh i edited my original post to say exhaust studs

bmw156
16-10-09, 07:15 PM
ok done some more work on the engine today after work.

had to do some more modding to the valve tool as it was just to small still. so it will fit now.

and had a bit of time, so cleaned up the oil pump. and stripped it to check the tollerances. now im not sure what the gaps are meant to be, but i used a feeler guage and i could fit a 0.20 in these gaps

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/welding11.jpg

and there is some "worn" marks on the casing and the gears, will these be alright to reuse?

Plug
16-10-09, 07:30 PM
get a new one mate :thumb:

Better to replace it now than 100miles down the road

bmw156
16-10-09, 07:56 PM
get a new one mate :thumb:

Better to replace it now than 100miles down the road

see i think we had this discussion earlier in the thread. and people say buy a new one, but not a aftermarket one as they are crap. GM ones are about 200 quid,

then other people say refurb the one you have, and the internals cost about 150ish, from SBD, not sure from GM.

so im just checking mine, see what its like :)

Plug
16-10-09, 08:23 PM
must have missed that bit in here lol

Well it all looks ok in there give it a good clean out and chuck it back on then

Benn
16-10-09, 08:48 PM
Yes there will be wear marks in it. Did the engine have oil pressure in it before? If it did reuse it.

bmw156
16-10-09, 08:49 PM
Yes there will be wear marks in it. Did the engine have oil pressure in it before? If it did reuse it.

the engine was stripped when i got it.

Benn
16-10-09, 08:54 PM
I'd refit it, when you go to first start it, wind it over with the fuel pump relay out and watch the pressure go on as a just in case.

Oil pumps arnt cheap.

bmw156
16-10-09, 08:57 PM
I'd refit it, when you go to first start it, wind it over with the fuel pump relay out and watch the pressure go on as a just in case.

Oil pumps arnt cheap.

ok nice one benn, thanks :)

Benn
16-10-09, 09:01 PM
Remember it all touches in there, so wear marks on the faces of them will be normal.

bmw156
16-10-09, 09:03 PM
ok cool, the wear marks were not major, the scoring barely made a complete circle.

bmw156
17-10-09, 05:30 PM
ok so did some more work today, nicked my dads battery drill ( it had some charge) and done my honing. i didnt hold the trigger on full tho as it seemed to fast. and used plenty of oil. i think it came out pretty well.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2576.jpg

and also i bought some more pistons and rods, so i took them apart today for a clean. should i replace the little circlips as a few seamed bent. and also what should i sue to clean up the pistons as the crap is caked on well.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2582.jpg

also cleaned up the backing plate with some WD40 just to degrease it, and i won a rocker cover of ebay, so that will keep most of the crap out of the head once its done.

mayhem
17-10-09, 05:43 PM
i know its dutch.. .but "tandflankspeling" is quickly translated: 'toothsideplay' so me thinks thats the play you have between the 2 toothed wheels.

oliedruk - oil pressure (warm engine on iddle)

and the 'uitsteken' piece is how far the toothed wheels should stick out of the housing.

** quick and dirty translation**

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/mayhem22/oliedruk.jpg

John
17-10-09, 05:45 PM
i always use an old scotch pad for cleaning up stubborn engine parts.

Edd
17-10-09, 05:46 PM
What's the engine going in?

Looks good so far.

bmw156
17-10-09, 05:49 PM
i know its dutch.. .but "tandflankspeling" is quickly translated: 'toothsideplay' so me thinks thats the play you have between the 2 toothed wheels.

oliedruk - oil pressure (warm engine on iddle)

and the 'uitsteken' piece is how far the toothed wheels should stick out of the housing.

** quick and dirty translation**

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/mayhem22/oliedruk.jpg

cheers mayhem, and so from my deciphering my pump is on the limit, as mine measured 0.2 so...

cheers John H i will give it a go with some WD40 or hot water,

and Edd, im not sure yet something RWD for sure lol, im thinking a Dolomite, maybe a early cav, but a bit heavy. possibly a opel kadette:thumb:

John
17-10-09, 05:52 PM
You have access to a jizer/parts bath? give them a good soak and good going over with the scotch. Should see them fine.
Liking the idea of rwd, dolly would be cool!

bmw156
17-10-09, 06:33 PM
nah i dont have access John, but i will give them a good clean, and there is a tool on frost which gets in the grooves to clean them :)

so new rings and they will be good lol

Welsh Dan
17-10-09, 06:41 PM
what should i sue to clean up the pistons as the crap is caked on well

Can you get access to trike? (trichloroethylene) A good soak and a quick scrub in that would do it, but don't touch it or breathe the fumes lol. Failing that you can soak them in a normal degreaser or coca cola overnight to give you a headstart before you start scrubbing.

bmw156
19-10-09, 09:46 PM
ok done some more work today, lapped in my last two valves.

and gave the head a really good clean to get rid of any hiding grinding paste.

and then i assembled 10 of the valves. all the outlet and 2 inlet.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2588.jpg

have ran out of money now for a few weeks. so when payday comes, i have a shopping list lol

new piston rings.
probably new piston circlips
piston cleaning tool, to get in the grooves.
lifters, and some oil

think thats about it. then time to start putting it back together,

The Simps
19-10-09, 10:22 PM
I thought I had a race on my hands when I read the thread title! I'm building a rwd XE on r1 carbs using megajolt...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/TheSimps/Nova/Nova%20Coupe%20Project/13-09-098.jpg


Regarding a trigger wheel speak to Chris Astley. I'm sure he told me that he can get a bottom pulley made up with it incorporated. All you then need to do is make a bracket for the sensor.

When you say about a piston cleaning tool to get in the grooves - do you mean the ring grooves? If you've got the old rings just break them in half and use the non-snapped end and run in the grooves to clean all the carbon out.

novalicous
19-10-09, 10:27 PM
a good way of cleaning up were the piston rings go is to snap a ring in half and scrape the crap out with it :thumb:

The Simps
19-10-09, 10:28 PM
ha ha beat you to it! lol

novalicous
19-10-09, 10:30 PM
:cry::cry: great minds think alike lol

bmw156
19-10-09, 11:52 PM
lol, the only problem is, i dont have any old rings!!!

and SIMPS, i will have to come up sometime when your closer to finished and have a looky at your set up. what box you using?

T9? and if so what bell housing, 7 degrees or not?

p.s mines not going in a nova :)

The Simps
20-10-09, 12:17 AM
I'm using a porsche 924 gearbox just to be different. I'm not going to run a tilt, no need to as there's plenty of room in a nova.

Martingsi
20-10-09, 01:11 AM
to clean up my pistons i used a wire wheel bit on a bench grinder and a snapped piston ring...
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w121/martingsi/Photo0164.jpg

bmw156
20-10-09, 12:11 PM
to clean up my pistons i used a wire wheel bit on a bench grinder and a snapped piston ring...

was this alright, i would of thought the wire wheel would of scored the metal???

MattBrown
20-10-09, 12:13 PM
Why have you popped the surface aswell?

Theyre case hardened arent they?

So your now down to soft metal?

Why not just use a pen to write 1234??

brainsnova
20-10-09, 12:16 PM
Why have you popped the surface aswell?

Theyre case hardened arent they?

So your now down to soft metal?

Why not just use a pen to write 1234??

last time i done that i never marked anthing as i just remembered where they go lol

bmw156
20-10-09, 12:23 PM
Why have you popped the surface aswell?

Theyre case hardened arent they?

So your now down to soft metal?

Why not just use a pen to write 1234??

what what what what

i meant scored as in the wire wheel would of "damaged" the pistons.

brainsnova
20-10-09, 12:29 PM
he means the pic above the pistons have been punched to number them.

bmw156
20-10-09, 12:31 PM
OOO yeh, damn, thats not good surly.

MattBrown
20-10-09, 12:33 PM
he means the pic above the pistons have been punched to number them.

Brains, using his brains:thumb: lol

But popping marks in case hardened metal is never a good idea!

hybridturbo
20-10-09, 12:48 PM
Nice Thread

Go for a triumph dolmite :thumb:

brainsnova
20-10-09, 12:52 PM
Nice Thread

Go for a triumph dolmite :thumb:

my mate had a sleeper totally standard on the outside and if you could spot the gearstick had been moved thats about all but it had a redtop and flew lol

bmw156
20-10-09, 01:47 PM
my mate had a sleeper totally standard on the outside and if you could spot the gearstick had been moved thats about all but it had a redtop and flew lol

OOOO show me pics. and does he have a build thread anywhere.

i want as much info as i can about mounting etc

and yeh i think im 70% certain on a dolomite. there are loads of aftermarket/uprated parts

hybridturbo
20-10-09, 01:55 PM
This one got me wanting one.

You will find a far cleaner dolomite for your money than pretty much anything else RWD

http://www.triumphdolomite.co.uk/triumphpics/cosdol3.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c139/gsijoe/untitled88-2.jpg

bmw156
20-10-09, 02:28 PM
thats not a redtop is it, but a cossie lump?? p.s looks good :D

hybridturbo
20-10-09, 02:42 PM
Yeh i know its not a redtop lol

Its a black top yb with more than 400bhp, but an xe will look just as good. Thats what im getting at

bmw156
20-10-09, 02:48 PM
Yeh i know its not a redtop lol

Its a black top yb with more than 400bhp, but an xe will look just as good. Thats what im getting at

yeh i agree, will be savage :d

L14MNP
20-10-09, 04:03 PM
Nice build mate! Agreed on the Dollys. My mate's building a V8 one ATM. Shouldn't be long till it's done. Sherpa geabrox lol.

Sloth
20-10-09, 05:30 PM
martin iirc dolly trans tunnels get very narrow very quickly, an omega box may be a good idea, as they are short and the bell housing fits an xe if you get a 2.0 one. then just get recoprop to make a prop up out of 2 halfs. DO NOT make your own prop.......

Pistol Pete
20-10-09, 05:41 PM
Dollys FTMFW!! My first dealings with cars as a kid was with a BRG one. That red one has been at Coomb a few times.

bmw156
20-10-09, 06:11 PM
cheers rob, would a t9 box not be a good idea. and i dont mind chopping and welding, all part of the fun lol.

and anyone else know of any XE'ed ones,

cheers for the comments guys

Sloth
20-10-09, 06:29 PM
cheers rob, would a t9 box not be a good idea. and i dont mind chopping and welding, all part of the fun lol.

the problem with t9 boxes is that, a. they are all 20+ years old, and b. the bellhousings are not cheap, and c. its a one off clutch. now before anyone jumps at me and says but tyou can get the bits dah de dah, true, you can, but its gonna cost £100 for anything like a half decent t9, £50 to rebuild it, £150-200 for a bellhousing and £100ish for a clutch. and then you have to get a prop made, and a std t9 will not be happy with anything over 190bhp.
use an omega, get a full donor car like the one on here forsale that was 100 quid. use its sump, pick up, box prop and other gear and your laughing. :thumb: the r20 in the omega will happily take 200ft lb of torque and if you decide to go let in say 2-3 years, a r25 or r28 fits the same hole.

bmw156
20-10-09, 06:32 PM
thanks for the info sloth, i will see whats about when i come to get a box lol

bmw156
20-10-09, 08:47 PM
o done some more work tonight, got all the valves in, and also got my rocker cover through, and a set of cams through. just waiting for some moeny so i can get some lifters and then head done, do the cam caps need to be done up in a certain order?

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2598.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2594.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2592.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2599.jpg

Sloth
20-10-09, 09:26 PM
yes, nip to your local library and get the haynes for a cav gsi. or an astra mk2. photocopy the relevant pages, and the torque settings, jobs a good un. i honestly cant remember if its "work from the inner cap outwards" or " round in circles" or "in a cross pattern".

Pistol Pete
20-10-09, 09:40 PM
I have a manual for a Cav GSi. Can grab it tomorrow and scan in the pages if you dont mind waiting?

The Simps
20-10-09, 10:22 PM
Start in the middle and work out in circles, same for head bolts.

so say you had...
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16

You would do it 4, 12, 13, 5, 3, 11, 14, 6, 2, 10, 15, 7, 1, 9, 16, 8.

Get me?

bmw156
20-10-09, 11:04 PM
Start in the middle and work out in circles, same for head bolts.

so say you had...
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16

You would do it 4, 12, 13, 5, 3, 11, 14, 6, 2, 10, 15, 7, 1, 9, 16, 8.

Get me?
lol, yeh i think so, i do have a haynes for a cally, i will look at it tomorrow.

ok i just drew it out and yeh i understand fully :)

Andy
21-10-09, 10:06 AM
This is a great thread mate,will be keeping a close eye on this.
Excellent idea putting it in an old car and not the usual.Nice work and excellent pics.

bmw156
21-10-09, 10:25 AM
This is a great thread mate,will be keeping a close eye on this.
Excellent idea putting it in an old car and not the usual.Nice work and excellent pics.

Cheers mate, im hoping to get loads of questions answered so people can refere to this at a later date.

and yeh, i just fancy something older and RWD is a must lol.

J4MES
21-10-09, 10:40 AM
Nice thread!! Good effort if this is the first time with a strip down/rebuild...Loving the Dolomite idea, been toying with getting one for a while, you should be prepared for the rust worm to nom nom owning a Nova and all!!lol

bmw156
21-10-09, 10:57 AM
i have stripped a 8v befor just to see how it works, but this is the time lapping in valves, and rebuilding it all. so learning alot.

and yeh im not gonna rush into buying a dolomite and try and find a good one.

L14MNP
21-10-09, 02:24 PM
I spoke to my mate building the V8 last night and he say's there's a T&T'd Sprint with 2.2 twin cam Lotus engine on eBay ATM, ends tonight, was on about £600. lol will finish at more like £1500 probs though.

bmw156
21-10-09, 03:19 PM
I spoke to my mate building the V8 last night and he say's there's a T&T'd Sprint with 2.2 twin cam Lotus engine on eBay ATM, ends tonight, was on about £600. lol will finish at more like £1500 probs though.

yeh i saw that. think im watching it as well. :d

Andy
21-10-09, 10:35 PM
yeh i saw that. think im watching it as well. :d
Well did you have a bid?:)

bmw156
21-10-09, 10:51 PM
nah lol, i dont have the funds atm and my mate/boss, is buying a tow vechile soon so we can go pick up a car. and hes not afraid to travel either. so im gonna find a minter.

i want to get the engine almost done first like built, get a box and bellhousing. and then get the car. and work out where everything will have to go. good times

Andy
21-10-09, 10:57 PM
Sounds good mate,a really inspiring build,now subscribed

Sloth
21-10-09, 10:58 PM
have ya seen this...... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TRIUMPH-DOLOMITE-SPARES-REPAIRS-PROJECT-RUNNING-AUTO_W0QQitemZ260493521286QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutom obiles_UK?hash=item3ca69fb186 be all over that like spunk on a porn stars face.

bmw156
31-10-09, 04:17 PM
ok done somew more work on this today, while the rain was preventing me from the FTW nova.

New bearings
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2794.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2797.jpg

i then put some graphogeon (sp) paste on the bearings as i wont be using the engine for a while yet. its the same stuff as assembly lube.
then the crank in and the caps on
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2806.jpg

and new bolts in as they are stretchy ones lol

just nipped them up for now, as i need to get some gasket sealent stuff from vauxhall, and also nick my mates torque wrench.

also new water pump in,

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2799.jpg

djbrowney
31-10-09, 06:29 PM
good work mate, just run a bit of scottch bright round the crank to clean the surface rust of mate !!!

bmw156
31-10-09, 08:06 PM
good work mate, just run a bit of scottch bright round the crank to clean the surface rust of mate !!!

ok thanks dude, willl this be ok for the bores as well? as there is a tiny bit of surface frust appearing as well

Benn
31-10-09, 09:42 PM
Non plastic blades on the water pump yeah?

bmw156
01-11-09, 09:34 AM
Non plastic blades on the water pump yeah?

for sure dawg

i made sure just as i was putting it in lol

Benn
01-11-09, 09:44 AM
Nice, get it running!

djbrowney
01-11-09, 10:14 AM
ok thanks dude, willl this be ok for the bores as well? as there is a tiny bit of surface frust appearing as well

yes mate just make sure you clean it with cleaner or something beofre you start fitting, is the engine wrapped up at the min because it should be :thumb:

bmw156
01-11-09, 10:28 AM
yes mate just make sure you clean it with cleaner or something beofre you start fitting, is the engine wrapped up at the min because it should be :thumb:

nah its not wrapped up. i will get on to that right away, dont want anymore surface rust over the winter months :)

djbrowney
01-11-09, 10:53 AM
just wrap it in cling film thats all i do with mine just to keep the dust out. i also slar grease all over the bores but just spay oil or something just to stop them flash rusting !

bmw156
01-11-09, 11:00 AM
ok sounds good thanks, DJ browney.

if i oput grease over the bores, should i clean it out befor i assemble the pistons etc and put them in?

or can i leave it in there for when i run it?

bmw156
03-11-09, 08:18 PM
so i have been ordering bits for my pistons, as i didnt have any old rings. a piston ring cleaner. a ring spreader as i dont fancy snapping any rings lol and also the new rings.

damn postal strikes and i only have one so far, be it the best

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8348/dsc2833.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/dsc2833.jpg/)

chimp007_uk
03-11-09, 08:22 PM
Coming along... How much did the rings, bearings bolts set you back? I need to rebuild my engine soon as it got too much leakage :(

bmw156
03-11-09, 08:27 PM
Coming along... How much did the rings, bearings bolts set you back? I need to rebuild my engine soon as it got too much leakage :(

ill check my receipts lol

rings: 46.99 delivered
main cap bolts: about 20 quid
bearings: about 35 quid
assembly lube: 10 quid
i need some sealant for the flywheel main cap.

dj_wudgey
03-11-09, 08:38 PM
all i have to say rwd ftw!!

bmw156
03-11-09, 08:39 PM
all i have to say rwd ftw!!

you indeed win sir

chimp007_uk
03-11-09, 08:42 PM
ill check my receipts lol

rings: 46.99 delivered
main cap bolts: about 20 quid
bearings: about 35 quid
assembly lube: 10 quid
i need some sealant for the flywheel main cap.

Cheers, that not a bad price! I'll be in touch lol

Manta it up ;)

I have a feeling i'll be going v6 in mine when i get the time a money.

bmw156
03-11-09, 08:45 PM
manta it up lol, you paying :P

and they are to heavy lol.

and those bits were of ebay :)

chimp007_uk
03-11-09, 08:49 PM
They're not dear, and they'll handle a darn sight better than a dolomite.

mine is so nice to drive! you can pick them up for less than £1k and sell the bits off it! Or buy a 1.8 for a little more and save yourself money on a sump, dizzy and rwd conversiona dn engine mounts, plus g/box.

bmw156
03-11-09, 08:50 PM
They're not dear, and they'll handle a darn sight better than a dolomite.

mine is so nice to drive! you can pick them up for less than £1k and sell the bits off it! Or buy a 1.8 for a little more and save yourself money on a sump, dizzy and rwd conversiona dn engine mounts, plus g/box.

hmmm you have my attention. tell me more lol.

rust?

chimp007_uk
03-11-09, 08:58 PM
Do like to rust... Bu then again it's an 80's car made for cheap metal. Most dolomites and imps i looked at before i bought the manta were similar!

Go for the 1.8 berlinetta saloon! It'll have all the bits you need. I'm running a few goodies on mine, nout that is too dear to source.

Plug
03-11-09, 09:01 PM
hmmm you have my attention. tell me more lol.

rust?

about the rust

think about how a nova rusts then times that by the size differance and there you go

Rust like fook lol

Joe Richardson
03-11-09, 09:30 PM
all i have to say rwd ftw!!

redtop ftw ;)

Angus Closier
04-11-09, 01:03 AM
Sounds like this is going to be a good project! manta ftw!!

bmw156
14-11-09, 03:15 PM
ok, seeing as it was pissing it down today, i jumped in the shed to do some more work on the engine as opposed to the rusty nova.

got a piston ring groove cleaner through the other day, so first job was to clean all the shizzle out of the grooves and generally clean them, the tool works really well and im chuffed with the results.

Pistons after a really good clean.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2868.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2869.jpg

then came the piston rings, i have never done these befor so was a bit cautious as i didnt want to brake any.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2875.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2876.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2877.jpg

so first set of three on the lowest groove (2mm).

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2874.jpg

Second ring, noting the TOP on the piston ring

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2878.jpg

and Third,

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2879.jpg

i also did have a tool to help, but found doing it with my fingers to be better. i didnt brake any thank god,

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2883.jpg

then i cleaned up the conrods and put in their new bearings, noting that 4 have a hole and 4 dont so they have a specific place

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2872.jpg

thats about it for today. gonna probably get some new circlips for the conrods and also need to get some sealent for the main bearing on the flywheel end.

Iain
14-11-09, 03:23 PM
Nice work, nothing like some nice clean internals. What's this piston ring groove cleaning tool you're talking about? I was just going to wire brush them...

bmw156
14-11-09, 08:17 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Piston-Ring-Groove-Cleaner_W0QQitemZ150345194579QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH _DefaultDomain_3?hash=item2301459c53

thats the tool i used, works wonders i say

bmw156
21-11-09, 08:19 PM
done some more work today, chucked the pistons back together, gudgeon pins, and circlips.

then compressed all the pistons, and put a bit of oil in the bores and got all the pistons in, lightly tightened the bolts on the big ends.

and then new head gasket and chucked the head on and lightly bolted it down.

will get some pics soon

next is buy some lifters, and torque down the top end, then sort out timing belt shizzle. and get the sump etc all on

bmw156
22-11-09, 08:32 PM
ok, so got some sealent today for the bottom end.
and started re assembling bits and torqued down the bottom end

New seal
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2899.jpg

New gasket
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2900.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2902.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2898.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2909.jpg

djbrowney
23-11-09, 08:10 PM
coming along mate, next time try and get a metal oil pump gasket much better imo :thumb:

Angus Closier
23-11-09, 08:15 PM
To be honest I just snap an old piston ring in half and use that to clean them!!
looks good mate! keep it up!!

bmw156
23-11-09, 08:21 PM
cheers guys, yeh i would of used an old piston ring if i had one!! lol

been looking at vauxhall chevettes today. and liking the idea of sticking it in one of them

Plug
23-11-09, 08:27 PM
/\ do it there Sweet

bmw156
23-11-09, 08:34 PM
lol, anyone got any information of redtops in chevettes

nova_saloon
23-11-09, 09:03 PM
/\ nope but loving the build. coming along nicely!

The Simps
23-11-09, 09:06 PM
You can put whatever you want in the chevette mate. check out this thread with a V8! http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=readersrides&action=display&thread=36945&page=1

bmw156
23-11-09, 09:14 PM
quality link mate thanks

Rich
24-11-09, 01:06 AM
kadett c would be my choice if you can find one!

Sloth
25-11-09, 12:44 PM
manta 1800 gearbox and sump and mounts, abuse the tunnel a bit, poss a specially made prop, talk to a guy calles djivesp on mig or dejaaiiii! as they both have xes in kadetts

brake-dust
25-11-09, 01:40 PM
djivesp has a 2.0 8v turbo in a kadette, the guy is a legend he has helped me with so much info when building mine.

blue_peg_16v
29-11-09, 12:26 AM
what about this as a shell for your engine i want

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OPEL-MANTA_W0QQitemZ190352807899QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAuto mobiles_UK?hash=item2c51e957db

philip
29-11-09, 01:39 PM
i know a lad selling a 2.0 manta soon if might be something your after?

bmw156
04-12-09, 09:58 PM
ok, the final stint.

got my lifters through, squished them in oil and installed them:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2912.jpg

then unwrapped my cams, and put some graphogen paste onto the surfaces. and tightened down the cams in the right order.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2916.jpg

New seals on the ends of the cams.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2919.jpg

i also bought some new bolts of ebay for the rocker cover so put on my new gasket and bolts the rocker cover down just to keep some shizzle out.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_2920.jpg

just need to get as bottom pulley now which has the timing mark on, then i can time it up. im sure i have one laying about, just cant find it lol.

then save for some kinda car lol.

Mk1'SR'Dan
04-12-09, 11:07 PM
engine looks the t*ts mate, if only Opel Asconas were easy to find... id love one of them... dolomites look good too, id like to build a LET hillman imp, are they mid or rear engined?

chrisnovaturbo
05-12-09, 10:51 AM
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff113/christurbonova/Untitled.jpg

there are the timing marks mate :thumb:

Graeme
05-12-09, 10:54 AM
The engine should be timed up without the bottom pulley on mate

mayhem
05-12-09, 11:02 AM
never time it with the alternator pully on it... there all different, so the mark doesnt line up..

help me out here... a chevette is based on the kadett C iirc?
in that case you want a manta 18s mount and kadett c rubber on one side, and an Omega A (carlton in the uk iirc?) rubber on the other side.

manta 18s sump, but you dont need the pick up pipe.. there overpriced imo. just bend the c20xe pipe a little, that's the only difference between them. lengh is the same.

Graeme
05-12-09, 11:05 AM
Correct mate, a chevette is a kadett c with a manta/cavalier mk1 style front end

mayhem
05-12-09, 11:25 AM
cheers, in that case you need:

manta 18s mount with 1600 kadett C rubber on the right side, and an omega A rubber and mount on the left side.

bmw156
05-12-09, 11:34 AM
lol i need to find the manta stuff first. the sumps possibly dont excist lol. and the rear axles have vanished lol.

but thanks for the info on the engine mounts and pick up pipe.

thanks for the comments as well guys :)

and thanks for the timing belt information.

Novaboi_1991
05-12-09, 11:37 AM
then save for some kinda car .

Drop it in the 5 door :p :p

mayhem
05-12-09, 11:43 AM
you can fit any axle you want.

we placed a manta B gsi rear axle under my mates kadett C coupe.
its just a little wider, thats all.
kadett C 1600 axle is even better, but there impossible to find and F'ing expensive.

the mounts are easy to make, my mate made his own mounts (placed the engine a few inches backwards)

edit**

you're planning to run carbs iirc?

what's also an option is kadett D gte ignition or from an ascona 1.8i. bolts straight onto a c20xe.
then run a pegeot 205 1.9 gti dizzycap. it's the same on the inside but it's shorter then the opel item.

i'm not sure of the clearence with the heater though.

bmw156
05-12-09, 12:00 PM
Drop it in the 5 door :p :p
what 5 door, both of mine are 3 :D
but i have thought about it lol, maybe if an f20 comes up close and cheap and a pair of shafts i might pick it up


you can fit any axle you want.

we placed a manta B gsi rear axle under my mates kadett C coupe.
its just a little wider, thats all.
kadett C 1600 axle is even better, but there impossible to find and F'ing expensive.

the mounts are easy to make, my mate made his own mounts (placed the engine a few inches backwards)

edit**

you're planning to run carbs iirc?

what's also an option is kadett D gte ignition or from an ascona 1.8i. bolts straight onto a c20xe.
then run a pegeot 205 1.9 gti dizzycap. it's the same on the inside but it's shorter then the opel item.

i'm not sure of the clearence with the heater though.
yeh gonna run twin 45's and yeh i have read in my "research" that people have to move the dizzy or coil pack. so thats something for me to take into consideration. and im planning on running mega jolt.

Novaboi_1991
05-12-09, 05:21 PM
what 5 door, both of mine are 3 :D
but i have thought about it lol, maybe if an f20 comes up close and cheap and a pair of shafts i might pick it up.

sorry mate, lol, got you confused with someone else, lol,

but yeh, should be a bit of fun =]

bmw156
19-12-09, 11:48 AM
ok so as some of you may of seen i have bought this sexy car for the redtop to go into. havent picked it up yet, but deposit paid.

some pics of the beast

some info on the car,vauxhall chevette, 1.3 auto, 26k, 1 lady owner, no rust, full years MOT, months tax, original v5 and new v5, one scratch along one door. need i say any more lol

opel badge on the front, because the vauxhall one got nicked.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/Bg5Jg0BGkKGrHqUH-CcEsMusTr4mBLG-tJY.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0038.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0046.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0036.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0052.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0041.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0040.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0039.jpg

bmw156
19-12-09, 11:48 AM
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0030.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0031.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0033.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0032.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0034.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0051.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0053.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/2009_1205chevettes0055.jpg

Welsh Dan
19-12-09, 12:39 PM
Nice find. How much is that setting you back?

nova_niek
19-12-09, 04:01 PM
Very very VERY nice find! :thumb:

Count Vaux Alot
19-12-09, 06:12 PM
I can't see why you want to put a red top in it? A 1.3 auto should be pleanty....

























Its cool btw :thumb:

bmw156
19-12-09, 06:28 PM
only 650 quid! good times i say
and count, did you mean you CANT see why,

saloonwoody
19-12-09, 06:47 PM
a shuvit loon :) awesome :) get that xe in there lol

bmw156
19-12-09, 06:51 PM
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370234506230&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

have found this for it. so that saves alot of faffing about!

Lee H
19-12-09, 06:55 PM
Mate bought the same kit for fitting xe into his Capri but it looked far too difficult to use and get in the right place as tubes aren't profiled or cut to size.

We ended up making our own mounts using the original Capri ones.

bmw156
19-12-09, 07:08 PM
cheers, i emailed the guy the other day. and he said, bolt the triangles to the block. weld the two parts to the chassis rail, poly bush in the small tube and bolt in the welded chassis part. then the thin longer tube is welded between the engine and the polybushed part. like ya say, you have to profile it your self.

im sure it will be alright :)

Lee H
19-12-09, 07:40 PM
We couldn't find anywhere they sat nice on the chassis rail either. Ended up mounting it off the crossmember like the Pinto was originally.

Maybe we didn't mess about with them enough though.

bmw156
19-12-09, 07:41 PM
ok thanks. any pics of it?

Lee H
19-12-09, 07:47 PM
Don't think there are any on the net, i've just text him to ask him.

bmw156
19-12-09, 07:49 PM
Don't think there are any on the net, i've just text him to ask him.

cheers mate any pics would be great

Sloth
19-12-09, 09:35 PM
this is the aussie site for the chevette, aka the holden gemini:
http://www.holdengemini.net/index.php

these guys fit mahooosive engines...

bmw156
02-01-10, 05:07 PM
ok i collected the chevette today. drove it about 100 miles home. and it has under 26k on the clocks.

proper wicked car i love it already

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3236.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3237.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3238.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3239.jpg

pics of it at home. and befor someone asks, the opel badge is there because the old owner had it replaced when the vauxhall one got nicked lol

and i have insurance on it for 7 days, so an gonna drive it and enjoy it. then rip it apart. first of being a roll cage.

djbrowney
02-01-10, 05:13 PM
love it mate, just love it !

Andy
02-01-10, 07:48 PM
beautiful......

Andy
02-01-10, 07:49 PM
BTW how fukkin big is that aerial?! im sure theres no need for that lol

bmw156
02-01-10, 08:22 PM
BTW how fukkin big is that aerial?! im sure theres no need for that lol

ROFL, the guy pulled it out just befor i left of so i could listen to radio 4 on the way home! its still got the MW and LW stereo in it. i have now reduced the size lol

puss puss
02-01-10, 08:28 PM
awsome looks awsome.

If you ever want a hand let me know always happy to help someone out :)

Ill ask my work mate about that axle see what his got :)

How come the headlights are different? or are they just like that?

bmw156
02-01-10, 10:58 PM
puss puss. I think it's a mk2 possibly and the mk1 have the recess headlights

Sloth
02-01-10, 11:45 PM
its a facelift, but tbh the earlier lights are better, as the later ones glass fall off.....

bmw156
03-01-10, 09:06 AM
lol thanks sloth. and i like these headlights.

gonna give the engine bay a well deserved clean today :>

bmw156
03-01-10, 12:42 PM
ok done some general poking about today and cleaning the engine bay abit to look for rust. this be my findings

under the washer bottle
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3240.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3242.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3243.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3250.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3252.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3254.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3256.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3258.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3261.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3262.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/DSC_3265.jpg

mayhem
03-01-10, 12:55 PM
told you so ;) how is the front chassisleg and that area where you need to place the jack?

bmw156
03-01-10, 12:58 PM
told me what? lol
and i havent loked at the underside yet. but from the general state of the car i am thinking its gonna be good :)

mayhem
03-01-10, 01:06 PM
that there would be hidden rust :P

chassisleg and jackpoint are commen places, as is under the washerbottle.

btw, iirc youre going to need a kadett C GTE tank aswell.

bmw156
03-01-10, 01:09 PM
ooo ok thanks. ill check those points when i can lay on the ground with out freezing lol. and i was gonna use a aftermarket ally jobbie for the fuel tank?

and im running twin 45's could i not use this tank?

Plug
03-01-10, 04:09 PM
its a facelift, but tbh the earlier lights are better, as the later ones glass fall off.....

this happens with novas aswell lol.

Didnt realise you had bought a chev mate.

Going to be watching this, hsr rep?

bmw156
03-01-10, 04:15 PM
XE it :D

Sloth
03-01-10, 06:05 PM
you can use that tank with a facet carb pump.

bmw156
03-01-10, 06:25 PM
you can use that tank with a facet carb pump.

yeh thats what i was thinking. and i have to use the facet because this pump wont be strong enough to pump the XE?

p.s thanks razorjack

mayhem
03-01-10, 06:26 PM
i keep forgetting youre going to run carbs lol
in that case this tank is fine.

Sloth
03-01-10, 08:28 PM
yeh thats what i was thinking. and i have to use the facet because this pump wont be strong enough to pump the XE?

p.s thanks razorjack
the pump on it now is driven off the engine, hence needing the facet, you will need a cheap regulator, ill find the vw tuners i use for them in a bit...:thumb: £23 iirc

blue_peg_16v
06-01-10, 09:21 PM
just for inspiration

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-Chevette_W0QQitemZ200424746312QQcmdZViewItemQQptZA utomobiles_UK?hash=item2eaa3eed48

loon hsr would be awsome

bmw156
06-01-10, 09:24 PM
cheers for that mate. is well nice. im gonna be emailing the seller when im home lol.

Plug
06-01-10, 10:12 PM
Hsr's are the bollacks :)

so whens the strip down martin?

bmw156
06-01-10, 10:16 PM
Hsr's are the bollacks :)

so whens the strip down martin?
Should start this weekend dude :) I had it insured for a week and that ends to
tomorrow

The Simps
06-01-10, 10:55 PM
Completely missed the fact that you found a car - awesome!!!

bmw156
06-01-10, 11:35 PM
Completely missed the fact that you found a car - awesome!!!

cheers simps. you should come down. or me come up and see your progress :)

The Simps
06-01-10, 11:43 PM
whereabouts in suffolk are you? I try and avoid Ipswich normally! lol

bmw156
06-01-10, 11:48 PM
LOL rushmere st andrew like 1 min out of ipswich lol.

postcode ip4

whats your postcode :)
my bro lives in norwich so i could come up and see you both lol

The Simps
07-01-10, 12:00 AM
nr1. I live up riverside if you know norwich well. car (corpse) is near cantley tho.

bmw156
07-01-10, 12:17 AM
ok cool dude. my brother lives on lincoln street. ironic as his missus is from lincoln lol.

and ill race you to get the cars complete:P

rwaggers
07-01-10, 12:19 AM
looks like an awsome project mate. cant wait to see it when its all finished:thumb:

bmw156
09-01-10, 03:39 PM
small update. removed the dash today, and damn they put two bolts in the worst places lol. pulled all the wiring through into the drivers foot well so its ready to be pulled out into the bay.

been looking at the trigger wheels also. and i am going to have to buy a small one and enlarge the hole slightly then weld it on.

will get some pics when the snow stops lol

bmw156
16-01-10, 02:14 PM
ok just sold the chevette engine while still in the car, good times.

gonna be taking it out over the next few days. depending if it rains etc.

and then start preping for the XE win :>

Walshie_Loon
16-01-10, 02:18 PM
Nice project, I really miss my kadett coupe.

bmw156
16-01-10, 04:34 PM
got my 8v steel sump through today

and cleaned it up abit and cut out the sump bolt.

now i got to work out where else to cut it :)

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/bmw156/sumpcut.jpg

bmw156
17-01-10, 05:37 PM
ok, last night i discovered a manta axle on ebay, like 5 miles from my house for a bargin price of 50 quid. i hit the BIN. and went and picked it up today.

a mild case of win.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/9554/screenshot002mk.png (http://img231.imageshack.us/i/screenshot002mk.png/)

and also nicked my mates engine crane. so engine out next week.