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Its going to be a mutipoint one with the x in the rear and the doors. So should i buy the door bar gusset, hoop cross gusset and the front screen and b pillar gussets :confused: Im thinking the front screen and b pillar ones would help with the shell but what about the others ? I can get pics if you not sure what mean
napalm_27
27-07-09, 03:13 PM
get pics :thumb: lol
Door bar gusset
http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/420/315/Assets/Accessories/DSCF4381.JPG (http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/700/528//Assets/Accessories/DSCF4381.JPG)
Hoop cross gusset
http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/420/315/Assets/Accessories/DSCF4385.JPG (http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/700/528//Assets/Accessories/DSCF4385.JPG)
Front screen gussets
http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/420/315/Assets/Accessories/DSCF4383.JPG (http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/700/528//Assets/Accessories/DSCF4383.JPG)
B pillar gusset
http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/420/315/Assets/Accessories/DSCF4384.JPG (http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/700/528//Assets/Accessories/DSCF4384.JPG)
If it helps this is the cage ill be getting
http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/420/315/Assets/Products/Vauxhall%20Nova/vauxhallnova.jpg (http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/700/528/Assets/Products/Vauxhall%20Nova/vauxhallnova.jpg)
napalm_27
27-07-09, 03:26 PM
not really much point in them is there just a tidy up soloution me thinks??
Get the pillar gussets, that much I know. As a side effect they make a caged car look hard as nails. lol
hybridturbo
27-07-09, 03:48 PM
If your getting the welder out why not
If your getting the welder out why not
But what to all of them or just the pillar gussets? If they are not 100% needed i dont want them for the extra weight
Get the pillar gussets, that much I know. As a side effect they make a caged car look hard as nails. lol
Yea thats very true :thumb:
Novasport
27-07-09, 06:43 PM
If its weight you are bothered about then get a 6 point cage, why go for multipoint unless you are going to be going at full pelt through a forest!
I want that cage seeing as every panel will be fibreglass or carbon. and its ment to be one of the best. if i roll it and only have a fibreglass roof i want a bloody good cage. Plus that cage dont weigh much only weighs 45kgs. its just little things like the things ive asked if its just to tidy the cage up its no point
the gussets do add strength plus they look ubber cool so whilst your there have the lot :P
just so you know aswell, i thought the A piller gussets would make it a **** to fit the screen but its just as easy
the door bar gussets and hoop cross gussets make it look loads better but from what i remember the hoop and a bars follow pretty close to the body so if the cage is fitted right you shouldn't really need the screen or b pillar gussets, not even sure they'd fit as the ones you're looking at are universal :)
Thats the cage I have in my car,good choice :thumb:
Get the windscreen,doorbar,b pillar and any other gussets,they add strength and weigh f**k all.
any pics of said car JimmyH?
get them all bigs :thumb:
Im thinking of getting them all
any pics of said car JimmyH?
get them all bigs :thumb:
Im thinking of getting them all
A thread of his car
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123665
the gussets do add strength plus they look ubber cool so whilst your there have the lot :P
just so you know aswell, i thought the A piller gussets would make it a **** to fit the screen but its just as easy
Yea i spose it isnt much more money onto of the cage and will look hard core :p
the door bar gussets and hoop cross gussets make it look loads better but from what i remember the hoop and a bars follow pretty close to the body so if the cage is fitted right you shouldn't really need the screen or b pillar gussets, not even sure they'd fit as the ones you're looking at are universal :)
Everything in the pics is on your site. so dont know if they come ready for a nova or they are universal :confused:
Thats the cage I have in my car,good choice :thumb:
Get the windscreen,doorbar,b pillar and any other gussets,they add strength and weigh f**k all.
Yep awsome cage isnt it :d Shame it dont come with the bits in the rear X like they do in the corsa b as i think that looks mental. i.e in this pic
http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/420/315/Assets/Products/Vauxhall%20Corsa%20B/new071008vauxhallcorsab.jpg (http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/700/528/Assets/Products/Vauxhall%20Corsa%20B/new071008vauxhallcorsab.jpg)
Cheers BIGS :thumb:
I only have the door bar gussets but I keep meaning to get the rest and weld them in :roll:
you get the doorbar,tunnel brace and front triangulation gussets with the cage.
Yep awsome cage isnt it :d Shame it dont come with the bits in the rear X like they do in the corsa b as i think that looks mental. i.e in this pic
http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/420/315/Assets/Products/Vauxhall%20Corsa%20B/new071008vauxhallcorsab.jpg (http://www.customcages.co.uk/Images/700/528/Assets/Products/Vauxhall%20Corsa%20B/new071008vauxhallcorsab.jpg)
I have harness bars on my cage,custom cages will give you anything you want on your cage.
You say you want the best cage and don't want the weight but don't want to weld in 500g-1kg onto a 45kg cage to stiffen it lol Cheap, strong, light pick 2 :thumb:
PS cheap is ready picked in anything steel lol
You say you want the best cage and don't want the weight but don't want to weld in 500g-1kg onto a 45kg cage to stiffen it lol Cheap, strong, light pick 2 :thumb:
PS cheap is ready picked in anything steel lol
No every bit helps. i mean im going though the pain of fitting a fibreglass roof to save 1 or 2 kg lol
But then throwing in the largest cage possible! check out Oli D's cage imo :) It's minimal but does the job. Have to think about the kind of forces going through a nova, do you really need a GT international spec cage to get 700kg through a corner?
Yes but imo im not a fan of cages like that. dont forget my car is btcc inspired (sp)? So thats the kind of cage they would have. Have you seen the cage in the cavi that my manifold came from?
Yes but imo im not a fan of cages like that. dont forget my car is btcc inspired (sp)? So thats the kind of cage they would have. Have you seen the cage in the cavi that my manifold came from?
But that would still run to minimum weight most likely, you don't have a minimum weight to work to.
Im just working with what ive got to get it as light as i can and looks great at the same time. Its like nobody on here has a clue what ive done i dont want to give to much away. when i update the project thread you will 100% know why i want/need this cage!
check out Oli D's cage imo :) It's minimal but does the job
How do you know it does the job,has he tested it!!
I hope I never have to find out if my cage does the job but at least I have piece of mind that I have a good cage if the worst happens
Looking at it from a handling point of view rather than crash testing, pretty sure Oli would have fixed it if it was too flexible. Crash testing wise, as said, unless you're planning on doing over a ton through trees...
Looking at it from a handling point of view rather than crash testing, pretty sure Oli would have fixed it if it was too flexible. Crash testing wise, as said, unless you're planning on doing over a ton through trees...
I see where your your coming from but the point of a rollcage is to save you if your car rolls and it stiffens the cars chassis at the same time.
I wouldn't fancy rolling a car with a bolt in cage doing a ton even if I didn't hit anything :eek:
Fair points, only crashes mates have been in the cage has done more harm than good, so I can see the point for rallying or something where you could have a massive off, but for trackdays it almost seems safer to not have something to knock yourself out cold on to me.
seems safer to not have something to knock yourself out cold on to me.
You'll be wearing a helmet and have FIA padding on the rollcage :confused:
You'll be wearing a helmet and have FIA padding on the rollcage :confused:
Aye, mate did too, but he knocked himself out cold on the cage and was advised not to race the next day.
Aye, mate did too, but he knocked himself out cold on the cage and was advised not to race the next day.
I suppose that's the risk you take when you go out on track,on one occassion the cage will save your life,on another it will do more harm than good.
anyway this is going off topic,Bigs get all them gussets lol
I thnik i will just to say my car has gussets, just what a word gussets lol
Yeah last page summed up, if you're gonna put near 50kg of cage in, may as well go the whole hog lol
gussets are porn and give the cage a finished look.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/sclurgess/light%20blue/S7302895.jpg
Yea they do look good :cool:
Gussets on the pillars if you don't mind the cage being there for life.
The other bits just make it look more fancy but if I was to do my shell again I would of had them added for no more than the look.
IMO the one thing everyone seems to forget is that you don't need to be doing 100mph through the forest to need a proper cage.
Imagine your driving round Combe then someone does a Simon Norris stylee undertake move over the grass and straight into the side of your car OR your flat out (potentially over 100mph) and someone gets it wrong and you T bone them as their practically stood still, in a xe nova without bracing to the strut tops I think you could wave your legs goodbye so good cages are worth it.
When you think of safety you have to remember a cage isn't the only thing that may save your life, proper seat mountings, fire extinguisher, engine cut off, firewalled fuel and oil systems etc..
If your simply wanting to look cool then fit a multipoint cage, if you want to be safe then fit that and everything else (wich I might add WILL cost more than the cage did ! )
^ Great post! And ive been advised to have two engine cut offs. one in the car and one on the outside incase the worst happens and im knocked out and cant pull it
Stop being a poof and just update your project post.
Cheers Bigs.
I'm probably going to fit a cut off and 2nd button the fire extinguisher in a recess on the wing, better to be safe than sorry and I am building mine with the intention of doing some form of motorsport events so I may as well do it right once then have to double back and change things.
Ive deal was ill update it when the cage is fitted
Cheers Bigs.
I'm probably going to fit a cut off and 2nd button the fire extinguisher in a recess on the wing, better to be safe than sorry and I am building mine with the intention of doing some form of motorsport events so I may as well do it right once then have to double back and change things.
Yea that sounds a good idea about putting one in the wing. Ive heard about a system that can be fitted in the bay which you can press a button or something and starts spraying the foam before you even open the bonnet. Im 100% going to look into that after what happend to spanishfly.
Peter Lloyd rallying do a good electric system, I got Gavs from there and that has 4 spray nozzles and 2 buttons.
Obviously don't forget the hand held one though however their there to get YOU out of the car NOT to stop your car from going up in flames
Yea im going to have two inside the car. seeing as every panel is fibreglass it wouldnt take long to catch fire :(
Ideally I believe 2 should be mounted in the bay and 2 in the car for the driver and co pilot.
The handheld is for when you get out so you can then try and put your car out but you come first before the car does.
People do make the mistake of fitting them only in the bay which is alright but when 9/10 Vaux track users have a fuel cell or swirl pot besides their head I'm suprised they don't think of what "may" happen in the worst scenario
Yea thats still one thing ive got to think about. i dont know to put the fueling system behind me or the swirl pot ect in the bay :confused:
No problem putting it in the car, just have it all firewalled and by that I mean properly.
The problem with anything vauxhall is its the law to get it as light as possible, safety is never a issue, if you built a large alloy constructed box over where the spare well once was you could have the tanks and pumps in there, properly sealed using bulkhead fittings for all pipework.
Basically most race cars HAVE to be done that way so just start looking at those for inspiration, some of the Time Attack evo's and RCM Impreza have some nice setups in them which impressed me
Thats the way im thiniking. Your see when i finally update the thread but i was thinking of mounting it next to the fuel cell then putting a hinged metal cover ontop :confused: Cant go to far back due to the rad, turrets and difusser taking up the room
That ofcourse is the other problem with novas ! no bloody room !
I am sure you will work it all out, I look forward to the updates
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