View Full Version : 0-60mph in a 1.2L
Hi there
im new to this forum, i own a little light blue standard nova 1.2L, H reg, just hit 90k. it runs like a dream although i wondered if any of u guys know the 0-60 times for 1.2 novas.
i think they are quicker than a 1.2i.
Are they quicker than micras, fiestas and corsas, 1 litre to 1.2.
Any help would be great.
Also my speedo over reads, anyone else have any probs with it?,
i love my car and especially the coulour, i think its really rare, coz ive only ever seen one like it!!
cheers guys look forward to hearing from you :D
wisewood
20-02-03, 04:11 PM
Not sure on the 0-60 times for it but it should be competative with 1.2's from other similar aged cars.
A rare colour blue?
Do you have any pictures of it mate?
I am guessing maybe it is breeze blue but dunno - thats just the first blue that pops to mind :lol:
Welcome to the site mate.
1.2i have 45bhp
1.2 have a bit more than this
i dont have any pics im afraid, i think maybe coz its one of the lux models.
the 5th Gear on it is pretty poor but 4th Gear pulls quite hard all the way to 90mph,
which is quite good from 55bhp, i think its quicker than a 1.2 corsa, and most other 1.2's of the same bhp
wisewood
20-02-03, 04:27 PM
I think the 8valve corsa uses exactly the same engine... and its a heavier car what with all those new fangled safety bits n bobs... so you should out runa corsa from a standing start.
i think its quicker than a 1.2 corsa
bring it on :D :D :D
Anton corsas are poo and you know it :lol:
yeah cheers wisewood, i have had a few meetings with corsas, and seen them off but sometimes i put it down to my driving than the car but its defo better,
what car have u got??
yeah i know alex mines are poo hairdresser car at the moment
BUT
give it a couple of months when I have started modding it properly, and you will be spunkin your pants!!!
Its a 1.2 sxi 16v
wisewood
20-02-03, 04:34 PM
1.2 nova, 1.3 5 door nova, and a 1.2 clio.
The 1.2 nova was just a bit quicker than the clio from standing... but the clio is quicker top end (just).
Thats not me being biased towards the nova - its true - i own both... i know. :lol:
AND the clio is... so i am told GAY so must not be spoken of favourably. lol
Wisewood
Is there much difference in power between ur 1.2 and 1.3 nova, also what have you had them up for top speed??
are they standard or modded
burgessovsalford
20-02-03, 05:12 PM
i love my car and especially the colour, i think its really rare, coz ive only ever seen one like it!!
IS it a metallic blue, if so prob be the 'laser blue'. If it is its a V.NICE colour.
carzone_corsa
20-02-03, 06:23 PM
1.2 carb nova - 55bhp - 0 to 60 in 14.8 seconds.
1.2 injection nova - 45bhp - 0 to 60 in 15.7 seconds.
1.2 corsa 16v - 65bhp - 0-60 in 13.8 seconds.
1.2 corsa 8v - 45bhp - 0 to 60 in 17.5 seconds.
1.0 corsa 12v - 55bhp - 0 to 60 in 16 seconds.
1.2 clio 8v - 48bhp - 0 to 60 in 15 seconds.
1.2 clio 16v - 75bhp - 0 to 60 in 14 seconds.
hope that helps. :wink:
RobHardyUK
20-02-03, 07:34 PM
I dunno about that 14.8, cos my mate has a 1.25 fiesta, which has 75 bhp, 0-60 in 11.9 secs, and when i rag it behind him I dont loose much ground at all, prob 3 cars lenth up to 80. They all chat crap, i mean i have bigger wheels, only one inch, but still to the point also a uncalibrated speedo, so it under reads. I get 109 according to my speedo on the motorway. :|
Chris LR
20-02-03, 07:36 PM
1.2 corsa 16v - 65bhp - 0-60 in 13.8 seconds.
:lol:
My speedo over reads, It's rougly 10% higher that actual. Most cars over read by about 5%, unless they've got electronic speedos.
1.3 SR's will rip a 1.2 apart and a 1.4SRI will do even better!
1.2 and 1.3's dont have much diff in them compared to the SRI's but there is deffo a difference more than you would usually expect! Ive known 1.3sr's untuned to keep up with 1.6 escorts!
Whites
NuTtY nOvA fLaIr
20-02-03, 08:23 PM
in the back of a mag not sure which 1 it was but it give the bhp/mph/0-60 ect ov some cars and there was the 1.3SR 1.4SR and the 1.4SRi and the fastest was the 1.4SR then the 1.3SR then the SRi not sure y this was or if its true it said that the SRi was alot heavier than the other 2 thats y it was the slowest but its the same car at the end ov the day unless the 2 SR's are like the Clio Cup (light weight) and the SRi is like the normal 172 :? :? :? does any1 no if this is true :?: :?:
i hope not, im saving up 4 a 1.4 sri nova at the mo, i once heard that the 1.3sr were the quickest of the sr's, and seeing all mk1 novas ive been in/driven have been quicker than their mk2 equivelent then i can believe this, but seeing as some 1 on this board has had their standard nova proven at 2 different rolling roads to be 92bhp and 1.3sr is something like 72bhp then i find it a little hard 2 believe
btw any1 know what the nova sri is like compared 2 the corsa sri, as i was looking at 1 of these as a 2nd choice
Chris LR
20-02-03, 11:07 PM
1.4 SR is 72bhp
Standard is best
The Sri corsa will destroy the sri nova, there is no compairson, 90BHP and close ratio gear box makes it untouchable.
Im pickin me 106 GTI up soon anyways
wisewood
21-02-03, 12:54 PM
its funny that coz i drove a 1400 corsa sri once and to be honest it didnt seem that fast at all. Not as much vroooom as i thought there would be.
Never driven the 1400sri nova but that corsa was not what i would consider car that would butcher a 1400 nova ... not at all.
ive driven both and consider the corsa slightl better to 60 but over that the power will blitz the nova all the way to 112. The only downer is the gearbox is so close, its at 6000rpm at this speed and any more would anter the red!!!
tetley the nova sri is 90bhp and has close ratio gear box, id emagine the corsa 2 b a bit heavier aswell. oh well would b quite happy with either
I could have sworn that theres been this discussion b4 and the 1.4sri IS the better of the lot!
Tiz because it has twin injectors! 1.2i poo, 1.2 better, 1.3 better than that 1.4 then 1.4sri!
Im sure i heard that on here like 50 times now!
burgessovsalford
21-02-03, 04:58 PM
this could go on for ever!! :lol:
MattNovaSport
21-02-03, 06:24 PM
My Twin Weber 40's easy better than fuel injection !
(Sorry just seems like fun)
if you want to make your 1.2 quicker get a 1.3 carb and inlet manifold on it!!! and take the 4-2-1 manifold off an astra or sr and it will be v quick for what it is!! i could waste 1.3 sr and have a god play with a 1.4sri!!
In this post:
Im pickin me 106 GTI up soon anyways
and in this post
http://www.novaload.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=69963&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
i also have a 106 GTI which is left un modded cause it looks the biz like it is.
you must have picked it up between 12.45 and 4.15 today so no wonder its not modded yet.
or maybe your nickname in school was Mr Sandman? only you know the truth mate.
for gods sake not again. Minus a few scrappy bhp here and there, for arguments sake, from the top:
GTE/GSI 1600i multipoint injection = 100bhp
SRI 1400i multipoint injection = 80bhp
1400 SR 1400 carb mk1/2 = officially 70ish but faster than the 1.3
1300 SR 1300 carb mk1 = 70bhp
1400i 1400 single point injection = 60bhp
someone said something about twin injectors?! theres the list anyway. the 1300 vs. 1400 SR debate has come up many time, the 1400 IS the faster it's ALWAYS concluded. From a personal point of view I have owned both back to back and the 1400 was faster.
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edit:
the early corsa SRIs were 8valve multipoint a la Nova SRI. Unsure on the gearbox spec. I never had any problems with them in my SR
The later ones were 90bhp 16v XE jobbies hence el rapido
hope this all clears stuff up
RobHardyUK
22-02-03, 04:08 PM
In this post:
Im pickin me 106 GTI up soon anyways
and in this post
http://www.novaload.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=69963&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
i also have a 106 GTI which is left un modded cause it looks the biz like it is.
you must have picked it up between 12.45 and 4.15 today so no wonder its not modded yet.
or maybe your nickname in school was Mr Sandman? only you know the truth mate.
EXACTLY.
jatinder
22-02-03, 04:46 PM
right ive got a k reg sri nova as standard they had about 82bhp (freaks sri had 92BHP and it was standard) some of they later sri novas had the same engine as the early corsa sri, the nova sri will be quicker as it is lighter body also an nova sri will be faster than 1.3sr and 1.4sr but the gte/gsi are the fastest got that!! And another thing the nova sri has a close ratio gearbox sorry just got a bit pissed off as peeps dont have an idea about a nova sri.
also tetley Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:45 pm Post subject:
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The Sri corsa will destroy the sri nova, there is no compairson, 90BHP and close ratio gear box makes it untouchable.
yes u muppet thats because the later corsa sri had 8 more valves (16 in total for all those who can't count)put that engine in the nova and the nova would win im not dissing corsas i think there nice but get your facts straight!
cheers for that clearup jatinder, i think im gonna get a nova sri instead of a corsa sri
Thanks for confirming that ferster and jatinder!! KNEW that this had been argued about ages ago and the 1.4 multipoint is better than the other!
carzone_corsa
23-02-03, 12:28 PM
Depends what you want really, corsa's are newer and the engines are also newer, the 8v lumps are strong and take a good hard beating if you wish to drive your car that way, but the ecotec valvers are a lot more tunable then the 8v models, they respond better to mods.
Ive had a good few nova's, a 1.2 carb, a 1.2 injection, two 1.3 sr carb models and a GTE. The gte was the fastest no doubt, but if you drove the 1.2 good enough it wasn't that much slower then the SR, but saying that it would never catch it, or beat it obviously. All good cars, and if I wasnt so fed up of all my cars braking down (hence me buying new corsa), then id still have a nova.
My gf is buying a 1.4SR in two weeks, and that thing is fast for what it is. Although they have less bhp then the corsa models - what you need to remember is that they weigh a lot less, a nova sr is something like 740kg, and a corsa sri is 1320kg - thats a lot of difference.
So power to weight - the nova wins. :wink: and thats what you want really, not high bhp stats and stuff, but power to weight.
Aragorn
24-02-03, 11:44 AM
th 1200i nova's aint as bad as they seem
they have more torque than the carbed version so low down and in low gears the would prolly match or possibly even out accellerate the 1200 carb
hit third and thats when power starts to become an issue
ive had mine to 100mph and ive double checked that using gear ratios and engine speeds
i cant wait for me 1400 ening tho - i hate have no power to overtake stuff :(
i did a 0-60 test in my nova last night my 1.2L. I got 12.5 seconds.
Thats wierd isnt it, its totally standard. I timed it perfectly, is this how quick my 55bhp car will get to 60 in or is there something wrong with my speedo!!
any help would be great! :D
jatinder
27-02-03, 04:18 PM
sounds a bit optimistic about 13 sec but thats not really bad is for a 10 year old car!
bhp has no effect on acceleration (from standing) Torque is the key to acceleration
an 8V engine will ahve more low down torque than the 16V
but on the other hand a 16V will have more top end power.
RobHardyUK
27-02-03, 04:52 PM
bhp has no effect on acceleration (from standing) Torque is the key to acceleration
an 8V engine will ahve more low down torque than the 16V
but on the other hand a 16V will have more top end power.
Thats wrong. If it is all torque then why are disels so slow? And the gear ratios are to low at slow speed to rely on torque, you relie on out right power.
wisewood
27-02-03, 04:59 PM
Actually you need a combination of the two... 1bhp and loads of torque is useless just like 5000bhp and no torque is useless too.
the way i find it best to visualise and explain is torque is the amount of work an engine can do and bhp is the speed at which it can do that work. low torque, high BHP jap things are crap low down where there is no torque, so when it can 'do the work' at a much higher rate up in the power band they come good conversely diesels have acres of torque at low down revs, making them good for towing etc
rob please teach me more so that i can rewrite my dissertation that is based on traction control by reducing torque applied to the wheels.
also by your thinking torque would be responsible for top speed?? when the calculatiopn for top speed has power in it.
try to learn a bit of basic mechanical engineering please
diesils are "slower" because the flame front takes longer to propogate around the combustion chamber, hence a slower rate of rev increase (which means its slower). At constant speed they retain their toque so they are good for farm/high load applications (as FESTER said).
wisewoob you have me there lol i should have been a little more specific but hey.
FESTER FESTER FESTER FESTER
try to learn a bit of basic mechanical engineering please
Thank god som1 has sed that!
The college course i done in college was on agricultural plant machinery, torque is a big issue here, just for the pulling power whilst using auxillery items such as hydraulics! Otherwise the machinery would just stall, unless u rev the nads off it! the explaination aint very clear, but i think u get the drift!(sorta)
th 1200i nova's aint as bad as they seem
they have more torque than the carbed version so low down and in low gears the would prolly match or possibly even out accellerate the 1200 carb
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HI,
have to disagree there - a friend of mine has 1200i nova, and having driven mine pronounced it quicker in every way. Both cars were on a similar mileage, with similar service histories and had the same modifications.
HE had previously said a similar thing to you and was somewhat surprised at the difference there was.
the only difference is that mine is a 1989 G plate and his is a 1993 K plate.
cheers
Phil
RobHardyUK
27-02-03, 07:16 PM
cambridge, im not totally saying your wrong m8, its just the way you wrote it, basically saying torque = accleration, and bhp doesnt effect it is wrong, like wisewood said, its a combo of the 2, i'm sorry if i made u misunderstand me im not very good at writing things down 8)
wisewood
28-02-03, 10:33 AM
wisewoob you have me there lol i should have been a little more specific but hey.
First time i have ever been called wisewoob. lmfao.
i knew what you were getting at - i jsut thought i'd point out what you had overlooked.
Aragorn
28-02-03, 11:08 AM
phil - your probably right but it will depend on a lot of factors
mine pulls happily all the way to the ton (actual, not just indicated) - albeit not very quickly, and i could prolly get it to the 6200rpm rev limiter in 4th if i had a nice looong downhill strech which would provide a top speed of about 110-115 mph
im sure ste_sa had his 1200i on the limiter on 4th
if u fitted a decent exhaust system (even the 1200 carb one) and used the standard 1200 cam it would EASILY match a carbed 1200 as the exhaust and cat are very restrictive as well as the cam being waay to mild
the engine is slow because vauxhall wanted it to be economical not rapid, remove the eco-parts and uve got an engine that will produce lots more torque and the same if not more power than a 1200 carb
hi,
the 1.2i in question had been decatted and had a complete aftermarket exhaust system fitted.
given the same money spent on decatting the 1200i etc - i could pop a twin choke on to the 1200 carb an we would see a difference again.
however - dont get me wrong - i highly respect these engines - they are certainly capable of soaking up some abuse...
look anything like this I thought no one else had one like it its a 1.3L fixing it up at the mo but need a new cam and cant afford it. its done 160,000 miles and thats the only thing wrong. and the usual wheel balancing.
http://www.novaload.net/forums/album_thumbnail.php?id=414
hey mudcow, ur nova is exact same colour as mine, ive always thought its a rare colour. Is it the case as i dont see many around my way in east anglia.
ur car looks identical to mine, as mines a 1.2L :D
yeah it is pretty rare colour as it is murder to find for respraying. i cant really replace any wings yet as i cant find the colour. is yours a 5 door if it is they are even more rare. I was told that the older Nova's are better as they were fitted with better slightly more powerful engines. however they do suffer from rust a bit more.
mine is a 3 door, its on an H plate, so why are the older engines more powerfull then??
so why are the older engines more powerfull then??
they dont have the cat and restricted elements that the injection model has got, they just have the carb fitted, which on its own over the standard injection system is a bit more responsive with a bit more torque power. :wink:
wisewood
07-03-03, 09:51 AM
that blue is a rare colour... dont see many of them around.
I have a 5 door that colour, Tilly has a GTE that colour (which looks ace)... probably one or two more on the site but not many.
i have a silk violet 5 door! dont see many silk violets!
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