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supernovaxe
13-07-09, 02:18 AM
bin looking around but havent found any one whos done a 4x4 turbo conversion on a nova? was wondering if its possible to use everything from cav or calibra 4x4 turbo. seen a few RWD but no 4x4, surely it would be an animal with all that traction, imagine the acceleration an conering, just makes u wanna build one dont it!!!lol
Somone done it on here with ford stuff.
brake-dust
13-07-09, 02:20 AM
a idea that has been rattling around in my mind for a long time, needs to be done but it wont be by me
It could be done, its been done on a corsa, you could wide track a nova to do it. IMO it would be cool, but a damm lot of work!
Southie
13-07-09, 02:26 AM
I'm sick of these threads popping up. :roll: Search and try and read about it as this topic has come up sooooo many times pros/cons.
Yes it would be fun but unless you've plenty of cash then forget it.
True NBC, but tbh, 4X4 is too short for the poor search lol
Southie
13-07-09, 02:35 AM
True NBC, but tbh, 4X4 is too short for the poor search lol
Not if search correctly Clicky (http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123323&highlight=justy+nova)
But i bet that leaves out lots of threads.
Southie
13-07-09, 02:44 AM
Colins 4x4 Nova made from Ford running gear. Clicky (http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90690&highlight=cossie+nova)
if using the GM 4x4 system it will be crap as its just a slightly better than 2wd setup as opposed to a proper 4wd setup.
plus if you are about to ask how to do it, then you cant and wont do it.
there's a dutch 4x4 nova, but i have no idea what he used iirc its been done with all vaux stuff
http://www.opel-forum.nl/viewthread.php?tid=73116
here you go, btw, 'jumperke' is not the builder, he just owns it now.
rear axle is an adjusted nova rear axle.
there's a dutch 4x4 nova, but i have no idea what he used iirc its been done with all vaux stuff
isnt that one your on about black and called boost beast? he uses two c20let's iirc in that one, rather than using one engine and 4x4 running gear.
edit: missed that link sorry :) but two engines is another way to go about it.
supernovaxe
14-07-09, 09:05 PM
lot of negative peole on this site, lot of good comments though cheers:thumb: , rest of you need to get out more and if you treat the misses a little better u myt just get some, hang on in there the net will do for now heylol
really though, i have searched for someone who has done this nova conversion for years and neva found it, and you only learn by asking questions!
you will mainly get negative feedback off people from this forum due to the fact that it gets asked so many times and never gets done.
check out colins thread for his. every body said he wouldnt/couldnt do it.
he stuck in there and go the job done(still havnt seen any vids yet) mind you he had done something like this before on other cars and will take alot of work to get it running straight.
have a go with it and see where it leads you.
good luck chap. :)
bin looking around but havent found any one whos done a 4x4 turbo conversion on a nova? was wondering if its possible to use everything from cav or calibra 4x4 turbo. seen a few RWD but no 4x4, surely it would be an animal with all that traction, imagine the acceleration an conering, just makes u wanna build one dont it!!!lol
No. No. And just no.
If you want turbo charged 4x4 motoring in a sh1t car, buy a Frontera TD.
supernovaxe
15-07-09, 07:27 PM
go home!
honestly, its the people who DONT ask about 4x4'ing a nova who simply get one and build one (that said there arent many who have lol)... And as you can imagine this kind of thing comes up time and time and time again.
Its worth noting that 4wd isnt the be all and end all of driving fun, infact aside from rallying there arent that many 4wd race cars in the grand scheme of things.... most racing scoobies get converted to rwd etc.
MattBrown
15-07-09, 09:10 PM
All people ever did was kick colin down, and down, and he showed you it can be done, with a little time and a little patiante
Ok with a hell of a lot of time, the patiance of a god, and some amazing fab skills:thumb:
the biggest problem with the 4x4 from a cava/cally into a nova is size,
followed by the fact that the cav/cal system was not actually conceived as a performance system, but a how to get up alps sort of thing
Sid Meeke (a rally prep blokey) in ireland once did a corsa b.
the nova track & wheelbase is pretty good, but to try & make a 4x4 one is just a case of trying to fit a system off something else.
i'd personally love to get a v6 from a monterey & mount it in the back facing the wrong way, to create a monster 6r4 type thing..... I haven't even gone near a monterey to see if it would work though...
and it has been done on here so many times & the colins one is the only onoe to get close & it is basically a cut down escort cosworth.
Exactly, theres no need for him to get sh1tty when i stated a fact, you want boost powered 4x4 GM, get a Frontera.
Ive measured an Escort Cosworth underside, they are the only hatch 4x4 that is anywhere near a snug fit for a Nova, some of you lot on here have seen the pics i took of the underside of it & my Nova.
thread cleaned, behave children
Firstly, if people have negative opinions on it, its normally for a reason. A 4x4 Nova would be poo for road and track use IMO. Ive always had that stance, and I still do. Colin's nova is a great car, an amazing show of fabrication skills, and the guy has my utmost respect, but it probably isnt as good as the cossy that supplied the running gear was in the real world, and until i'm prooved wrong Ill continue to believe that. So builds like that will always be for kudos more than performance.
So, to sum up, it hasnt been done outside the rally world because 1) those who think it would be amazing dont have the skills, and 2) those who have the skills know its a waste of time unless you just want something to talk about in the pub or take to shows or do for the joy of the build. Nothing wrong with that at all by the way, I plan to build a RWD nova in the very near future, but im not kidding myself that its going to be an amazing handling car, because me with a welder and a tape measure will never out perform a car designer with a CAD package. I just want to see if I can do it.
And if I had 10p for every time ive typed that, I would be farking rich!
I stand by my statement, if you want a sh1t 4x4 motor with boost, Frontera TD is your friend.
I stand by my statement, if you want a sh1t 4x4 motor with boost, Frontera TD is your friend.
well, they are not very good......
but if a 300hp fwd nova can be made to handle fairly well, and hold together reliably, it would be so much lighter than a 300hp 4wd nova that it would whip it in every form of competition except forest rallying.
but if a 300hp fwd nova can be made to handle fairly well, and hold together reliably, it would be so much lighter than a 300hp 4wd nova that it would whip it in every form of competition except forest rallying.
..... and willy waving lol
well, they are not very good.......
Exactly :)
Sod off a 4WD Nova would be the ultimate car! Eva!..!....!!!!. :cool:
I do remember watching a 4WD Corsa B spank the competition in a rallycross vid once.
Sod off a 4WD Nova would be the ultimate car! Eva!..!....!!!!. :cool:
I do remember watching a 4WD Corsa B spank the competition in a rallycross vid once.
Yeah, ive seen a few rally 4x4's go really well on the loose stuff :cool:
Yeah, ive seen a few rally 4x4's go really well on the loose stuff :cool:
This is where Joe Bloggs petrol head misconseptions start lol its goes well on the loose so it must be even better on solid.
I haven't see any car launch better than a 4WD car.
I haven't see any car launch better than a 4WD car.
This is true tho, where as a 4x4 built in a shed by some one who just happens to know which end of a spanner is up, will rarely beat a factory made 4x4. Im sure you'll agree with that!
This is true tho, where as a 4x4 built in a shed by some one who just happens to know which end of a spanner is up, will rarely beat a factory made 4x4. Im sure you'll agree with that!
I was going to try and argue with you for the fun of it, but I just can't, because you are right.
However having said that people that do know what they are doing can make ruddy fast 4WD tubro nutter ******* cars.
However having said that people that do know what they are doing can make ruddy fast 4WD tubro nutter ******* cars.
except prodrive for the last 4 years.........
Yeah, ive seen a few rally 4x4's go really well on the loose stuff :cool:
iirc there are a few here as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RI2Ali94Ns
hai,could anyone tell me if a c20xe would fit in my nova please?............
hai,could anyone tell me if a c20xe would fit in my nova please?............
of course it will.
lol i wasnt being serious was just a joke,every week theres a thread title with 4x4 or will a c20xe fit lol
supernovaxe
15-07-09, 10:54 PM
no the c20xe is magnetic north and the novas chassis, formaly constrncted in luxemburg is unfortunatly magnetic south so mating the two together is near impossiple as they bounce away from each other, BUT, if u carfully remove the sump and drill 4 24mm in diameter at each corner of the sump, source a 2ft household cat, also some wiskas/nitrous mix apply hybrid mix direct to cat, place cat inside sump with limbs inserted through holes drilled earlier and you shoul be pushing nearly 274chp
yeah........................
Why would anyone want to make a Nova faster anyway? Surely it'd affect the tyre wear and fuel consumption.
Big_Chap
16-07-09, 01:05 AM
no the c20xe is magnetic north and the novas chassis, formaly constrncted in luxemburg is unfortunatly magnetic south so mating the two together is near impossiple as they bounce away from each other, BUT, if u carfully remove the sump and drill 4 24mm in diameter at each corner of the sump, source a 2ft household cat, also some wiskas/nitrous mix apply hybrid mix direct to cat, place cat inside sump with limbs inserted through holes drilled earlier and you shoul be pushing nearly 274chp
is that true?:eek:
gavint5
16-07-09, 04:37 AM
its ****in unreal how often the standard vauxfreak will jump down the thraught of the more ambisous man. gsi spec let'ed novas with a laguna splitter are not the be all and end all.
R.J. Mitchel thaught outside the box when he designed the spitfire using only one pair of wings. he was humiliated and laughed at and went without work for years. He also saved the world!
John Britten built the most beutifull bike ever imo. using new ideas like the frameless chassis which then seemed out of this world but is now the norm. im sure if he ever got out of his shed and told anyone what he was doing and that in his shed he's building a bike that would go on to set new standards in the racing world and win the battle of the twins and crack world speed records he would of been slated as anyone enquiring about anything unusual on here is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britten_V1000
and closer to home. in the car world my old teacher builds and races cars in hillclimbs. these are a supercart using a turbocharged bike engine which look very simular to an f1 car. then one day he decided to build a 4x4 for the following year from scratch. with help from the kids at my old school he did this and im pretty sure he won whatever competition it is he races in. can you imagine someone saying im gonna build a big go kart powered by a turbocharged bike engine and it will be 4x4 and im gona have a bunch of kids help me to get it ready for next season and im gonna win!
these critics go for the easy comment because they know that there usually gonna be proven right and even if you are an anomoly its no big deal cos they'll of been right about the last ten. it makes a man frightened to think about modifying a car never mind actually doing it.
no the c20xe is magnetic north and the novas chassis, formaly constrncted in luxemburg is unfortunatly magnetic south so mating the two together is near impossiple as they bounce away from each other, BUT, if u carfully remove the sump and drill 4 24mm in diameter at each corner of the sump, source a 2ft household cat, also some wiskas/nitrous mix apply hybrid mix direct to cat, place cat inside sump with limbs inserted through holes drilled earlier and you shoul be pushing nearly 274chp
fail, north and south attttttract.... its north and north or south and south that repel. The rest is true though.
All people ever did was kick colin down, and down, and he showed you it can be done, with a little time and a little patiante
Difference is though, Colin said he'd do it rather than asking how to do it lol
I was going to try and argue with you for the fun of it, but I just can't, because you are right.
LOL, but this is the internet! Logic and reason (and right/wrong) have no place here :p
R.J. Mitchel thaught outside the box when he designed the spitfire using only one pair of wings. he was humiliated and laughed at and went without work for years. He also saved the world!
No he didn't. In fact he almost cost Britain the war.
The Spitfire was metal. What didn't we have much of during WW2? Metal (ever walked round a city centre and wondered why some old block walls have metal studs in the top? Thats the railings that were cut off and melted down to make Spitfires). Many other aircraft of the time were constructed primarily of wood and fabric. Tales of Hurricanes making it home with huge holes in the wings are rife - a quick dressing with new fabric and the aircraft is airworthy again in a few hours. A Spitfire however would need fabrication, welding, riveting etc to be airworthy. Metal was also in demand for mobile armour, munitions, etc; so production of Spitfires was comparitively small to their wooden counterparts. IMO the likes of the Mosquito, Hurricane, were far more important and arguably "better" than the Spitfire, its just that all the post-war stiff upper lip RAF-saved-England movies all feature Spitfires so we're brought up to think they're the best lol
[edit] OT, but I just looked on wikipedia for reference to see more info about the Spitfire construction (after writing that ^). LOL @ this, a fine example of exactly WHY wikipedia fails:
The Supermarine Spitfire is a British single-seat fighter aircraft used by the Royal Air Force and many other Allied countries through the Second World War and on into the 1950s as a front line fighter and in secondary roles. It was produced in greater numbers than any other Allied fighter design and was the only Allied fighter in production throughout the war.
The Spitfire was designed by R. J. Mitchell, chief designer at Supermarine Aviation Works, since 1928 a subsidiary of Vickers-Armstrongs. He continued to refine the design until his death from cancer in 1937, whereupon his colleague Joseph Smith became chief designer.[4] Its elliptical wing had a thin cross-section, allowing a higher top speed than the Hawker Hurricane and many other contemporary designs.[5]
The distinctive silhouette imparted by the wing planform helped the Spitfire to achieve legendary status during the Battle of Britain. There was, and still is, a public perception that it was the RAF fighter of the battle, although the more numerous Hurricane actually shouldered a greater proportion of the burden against the Luftwaffe.[6]
Contradiction fail lol
(ever walked round a city centre and wondered why some old block walls have metal studs in the top? Thats the railings that were cut off and melted down to make Spitfires).
Thats exactly why we haven't got a railing along our wall at the front of house...we've just got metal stumps sticking out..
The same is happening around by lee's caravan but it's just been weighed in lol.
the contradiction fail is not true... the hurricane was more numerous at the start of the battle of britain, the spitfire was more numerous by the end of the war.
since when did they make spitfires from wrought iron?????
people were asked to give all available metal to the war effort, for tanks, ships & other vehicles........ the spitfire was mostly alloy.
I cant remember what this thread was origionally about. Theres talk of Planes, Drills, Cats and Polar attraction. WTF???
dod don't even get me started about that 'world's best motorbike' that was so good, that only 10 were made!!!!!!!!
anyway, the thread was about how to make a 4x4 nova & whether or not it's worth it
anyway, the thread was about how to make a 4x4 nova & whether or not it's worth it
Was it?
lmfao, yet another epic thread
its ****in unreal how often the standard vauxfreak will jump down the thraught of the more ambisous man. gsi spec let'ed novas with a laguna splitter are not the be all and end all.
LMFAO!! Get over it, all Nova's are sh1t, they always will be & always were lol lol so are you saying a 4WD "would" be the "be all & end all" lol
Before you even qeustion "why im on here if i hate them" maybe becuase some poeple live there life by the theory of they can only own & drive what they can afford, or it could be that I grew up with shonky old GM's & im still a child at heart...
Those that know me will know the answer to the aforementioned, where as you, because you seem a @unt, well you can just guess the answer.
Those that know me will know the answer to the aforementioned
....you're a screaming homosexual who likes to pimp round tescos car park bouncing his 1.0 corsa off the limiter? lol
....you're a screaming homosexual who likes to pimp round tescos car park and the PNG stand @ PVS bouncing his 1.0 corsa off the limiter? lol
lol
....you're a screaming homosexual who likes to pimp round tescos car park bouncing his 1.0 corsa off the limiter? lol
at least he's getting some....
....you're a screaming homosexual who likes to pimp round tescos car park bouncing his 1.0 corsa off the limiter? lol
pmsl:thumb:
supernovaxe
16-07-09, 11:19 PM
i stand corrected stuart. although still a great mod, neva let me down. seeing how this thraed has quite cleary flooped, does anyone now what happened to all the old nova GM panel presses have gone. a friend of a friend worked to vauxhall and claims they went to india, would be a tidy little business if you managed to get hold of them, how much would a 0miles 09 plate nova shell be???? just a thought,
You're right, and there'd be no work involved in making a complete shell, making sure its constructed properly and meeting all current Car regulations, not to mention actually finding the old presses and acutally buying them, bringing them home and comissioning them.
Gashgusher
16-07-09, 11:45 PM
schimples!
i stand corrected stuart. although still a great mod, neva let me down. seeing how this thraed has quite cleary flooped, does anyone now what happened to all the old nova GM panel presses have gone. a friend of a friend worked to vauxhall and claims they went to india, would be a tidy little business if you managed to get hold of them, how much would a 0miles 09 plate nova shell be???? just a thought,
No need - There's a field full of new shells in spain...
No need - There's a field full of new shells in spain...
how can we get hold of 1?
Oh my god!
This thread is a wet dream to me!!
M U S T R E S I S T
how can we get hold of 1?u fail
how can we get hold of 1?
LMAO. The whole thread :d
would be a tidy little business if you managed to get hold of them, how much would a 0miles 09 plate nova shell be???? just a thought,
TBH it wouldn't. How many novas are left on the road? Very few, and of those, how many are looking for replacement panels? Not many of very few isn't much - whilst you could probably shift a hundred or so panels, it wouldn't really justify the cost of production.
As for building an 09 plate Nova, you'd either have to do it as a Q plate or kitcar, but it would still probably fall down on modern safety requirements.
No need - There's a field full of new shells in spain...
Theres a warehouse in the UK somewhere with lots of brand new, semi built and unregistered Novas as well. Some say that the Stig owns them all.
Southie
17-07-09, 10:58 AM
mmm :roll:
http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p379/SOUTHIE01/NotThisShtAgain.jpg
face facts. when a manufacturer stops production of a model, there is a department in the parts system that works out how many spare bodyshells should be made for each market, then ensures that that number is made before the plant changes over to the new model. then that's your lot!!! there are no more.....
then the aftermarket oe parts dept puts out tenders for 'genuine' spare panels... so genuine parts are not actually factory made parts.
ps. I think that if a 4x4 nova could have been made to work with a LET, & F28, it would have already been done
just weld up cav 4x4 turbo lump and running gear to nova would that not work?
Yep the would work, apart from having a wider wheel base and having the front wheels sitting outside the wings and the rear wheels the same width but behind the rear bumper, it would work perfectly:roll:
paul james
17-07-09, 04:37 PM
Unless you have a great head for engineeering and a big chunk of spare cash, just enjoy the nova as a FWD car as it was intended.
Southie
17-07-09, 04:50 PM
Yep the would work, apart from having a wider wheel base and having the front wheels sitting outside the wings and the rear wheels the same width but behind the rear bumper, it would work perfectly:roll:
lol
http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/attachments/suspension-wheels/78484d1211057925-offset-confusion-please-help-horsecarriage.jpg
Wow youve already built one dude fair play LOL
just weld up cav 4x4 turbo lump and running gear to nova would that not work?
Yea becuase thats well fcuking easy aint it lol lol lol
search through the thread i gave you... there's also a dutch astra mk2 4x4, build with all cav parts
over the 4x4 sh!t... look again at the link i provided.
link is to a nova c20let 4x4. corsa4x4 is the builder, jumperke is the current owner.
dj_wudgey
17-07-09, 06:51 PM
http://www.opel-forum.nl/viewthread.php?tid=73116
here you go, btw, 'jumperke' is not the builder, he just owns it now.
rear axle is an adjusted nova rear axle.
that looks the mutts nuts!! ive allways fancied a 4wd/rwd nova but that is more like what id want if i was to have one built! i wouldent want wide arches id want it to look like a mk1 sr funny enough!!
Wow youve already built one dude fair play LOL
Only 1hp though
dod don't even get me started about that 'world's best motorbike' that was so good, that only 10 were made!!!!!!!!
I'll get you started! John Britten died well before his time.... thats why......
Some of his ideas have made there way on to modern bikes tho. Eg 2001-3 fireblade swing arm mounted to engine not the frame.
a massive loss to the world I say. His talents we legendry.... Casting engine casings in his shed FFS!.....awsome
Know what, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna 4x4 Turbo a Nova. Watch this space.
let_nova
18-07-09, 11:07 AM
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Done it. Like so many of the Big massive Conversions that "Have been done" I'll upload pics and videos later, honest.
click (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nova-cosworth-powered-4x4-race-track-rally-hill-climb_W0QQitemZ190322271557QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAuto mobiles_UK?hash=item2c50176545&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A2%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294 %3A50)
http://i.ebayimg.com/06/!BWm0lC!!2k~$(KGrHgoH-DYEjlLl3iGJBKYOIWv1+w~~_35.JPG
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