Project SOD²

[Johnny A]

Although the majority of MIG was excited about this project there were 2 that spoilt the projects thread on there so I had it deleted. Simps suggested I post it on here instead as your not nobbers basically lol

But to be clear, the car isn't finished yet. There are a few components that still require modding to work correctly, by all means ask about them but please don't slate :)

After breaking my old Nova Turbo (SEF) back in 2003 I lost my way a bit with various Vauxhalls but learn a lesson - FWD sucks balls. I really desperately wanted another Nova but couldn't stand FWD, project SOD² (Saloon Of Doom 2) was born.

I picked up this beut for £260 with a full tank of fuel:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00198.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00197.jpg
A surprising lack of rust, the bottoms of the back arches (back of sill) had gone and the rear arches were bubbling but that was it, battery tray, crossmember, turrets etc.. were all perfect :D

I enlisted the help of JADE performance owner Jamie to be my technical adviser on the project as his knowledge of building Kit cars and Hot Rods for 18 years are needed.

I am a picky sod and the project needed to following certain guidelines:
1: It stays beige/Parchment
2: It runs on steelies as I am sick of buckling alloys round my area
3: Every single component will be mounted higher than the floorpan so I can run the car uber low
4: The car is a daily driver - so needs certain luxuries
5: The car will be used for 1/4 miles and track days
6: 300bhp or more
7: Every component must be of Vauxhall origin unless it's bespoke

and now it's piccy time

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00227.jpg

Solid engine bay:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00237.jpg
Interior:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00238.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00239.jpg

[Johnny A]

Don't need that
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/Conversion01.jpg
Hole!
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/Conversion02.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/Conversion04.jpg
RWD'ing - Serious business:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/Conversion08.jpg
Mock XE engine used for a look see:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/Conversion07.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/Conversion12.jpg
Corsa-C epas column is located punching through the original battery tray, removing the biggest Nova hate of mine - the angled column!
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/Conversion18.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/Conversion16.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/Conversion45.jpg
Engine out, engine bay cradle going in
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/Conversion39.jpg
N/S/F inner arch welded and sealed - RUST?
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00304.jpg
Rack being aligned and fitted
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00326.jpg

[Johnny A]

First hub fitted (Astra4 reversed)
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00318.jpg
Taking shape:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00338.jpg
We had to see how low it will go
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00385.jpg
Custom bigwing sump
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00366.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00368.jpg
Front engine mounts:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00352.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00353.jpg
This will be the daily ride height (if you look REALLY closely the only thing other that the floorpan you can see underneath is the ribs of the steering rack)
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00389.jpg
A favorite shot:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00387.jpg
Tunnel skeleton construction:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00408.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00414.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00411.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00417.jpg

[Johnny A]

How's this for a driving position?
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00416.jpg
Standard nova handbrake incorporated:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00421.jpg
This is the tunnel currently
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00444.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00440.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00442.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00422.jpg
Cut the back out
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC003.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC004.jpg
Shame because it was mint:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC001.jpg
Rear beam getting chopped about a bit
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00234-1.jpg
Weld these to it
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00238-1.jpg
Rear turret towers
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC0013.jpg

[Johnny A]

Noice
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC0012.jpg
Rear diff (Lotus Carlton)
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC0011.jpg
Beam modded some more
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00257.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00258.jpg
This is with the car at max lowering:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00263.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00262.jpg
Rear end framework:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00252.jpg
So how low will I run the back?
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00255.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00254.jpg

Thats it for now :D

[Rysee]

Looking good mate, yours isn't the 1st rwd thread to be removed from mig for similar reasons(Cav turbo)

Keep up the good progress

Loving the parchment

[auzzy2000]

thats great work so far.will be good fun when done.love rear wheel drive.keeps you awake.love it mate keep up the good work.like to see it when done..any idea on a finish date?

[Count Vaux Alot]

Interesting.

[~~joycey~~]

Awsome! 10/10 for being different! :D

Rep +

[Johnny A]

No finish date but I do about 16 hours on it each weekend.

[Riggy]

that is ****ing awsome mate , thats all i can say :thumb:

[Dar]

Great, keep up the good work. BUT.... FWD does not suck balls!

[djbrowney]

i like very muchly, im surprised the simps not been on yet with a million an one questions lol

[Johnny A]

i like very muchly, im surprised the simps not been on yet with a million an one questions lol

as soon as he found out he was on the phone for well over an hour lol

[bowman]

rwd coupes are the future!

nice work mate, some good ideas there, rear axle is interesting.. also like the engine cradle. I guess raising the engine and trans sorts the clearance for the rack too?

[Johnny A]

Great, keep up the good work. BUT.... FWD does not suck balls!

The way I see it after owned several RWD cars, there is understeer and oversteer. A FWD does one and RWD does the other, at least oversteer looks cool and you can claim you did it on purpose to please the crowds lol

[stupot89]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is f****n awsome have some rep and good luck and keep us updated with lots of pics :)

[Johnny A]

rwd coupes are the future!

nice work mate, some good ideas there, rear axle is interesting.. also like the engine cradle. I guess raising the engine and trans sorts the clearance for the rack too?

yes exactly

[Dar]

The way I see it after owned several RWD cars, there is understeer and oversteer. A FWD does one and RWD does the other, at least oversteer looks cool and you can claim you did it on purpose to please the crowds lol
Depends on setup and the car itself, but thats not for this thread. I hope to see lots of updates. Again great work!

[auzzy-b]

super!!!!! looks like a lot of work has gone into this already.. cant wait to see the finished product:thumb:

[skidmarkz]

looks awsome, gonna watch this 1, sideway :)

[Spudly]

Fan-fecking-tastic man thats pure and utter class, please keep the updates regular as this is unreal, the fab skill alone is awesome.

I look forward to seeing sideways track vids of this one in the near future:thumb:

[Johnny A]

Depends on setup and the car itself, but thats not for this thread. I hope to see lots of updates. Again great work!

Well the rear coilovers are mock and destined for the calibra, the front coilovers are going on the rear and I have some Leda's for the front :D

The engine going in is a LET which will hopefully be running an Eaton M90 supercharger if we can get it to clear the radiator pipes, if not a Garrett of some description

[Spudly]

Nice, sounds like the end result is going to be the "champagne, supernova" that oasis sang about years ago lol

Youve gotta call your project "supernova" if its gonna be charged:thumb:

[NOVA-KID-93]

thats looks a mint project cant wait to see it finished im gonna be watchin this one :thumb: :)

[novalicous]

top project

top work

will be watching this

+ rep

[Rickyb]

this is an unberlivebel build mate top work

[The Simps]

Glad you put it on here bud.

Its also been good inspiration to get my ass in gear!

[burgo]

are they vectra hubs on the front?? if so any pics of how youve modified the bottom arms to fit the vectra ball joints

[Jay]

Subscribed :)

[Dave.]

This things going to be a weapon dude, Defonatley keeping my eye on this :thumb:

[General Lee]

As said very nice work pal, just hope your a good driver because this is going to be one hell of a thing to handle.

[Johnny A]

are they vectra hubs on the front?? if so any pics of how youve modified the bottom arms to fit the vectra ball joints

AstraG on the front and VectraB on the rear

Only pic I have:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00319.jpg

[Plug]

as already said a lot of works going into this and its going to be a nova to look out for in the near future :thumb:

supercharger would be good if you get it on there aswell as the turbo (if its possible?)

Every time you work on it get the camera and get this thread updated

Jimbo

[dj_wudgey]

Nice, sounds like the end result is going to be the "champagne, supernova" that oasis sang about years ago lol

Youve gotta call your project "supernova" if its gonna be charged:thumb:

you beat me to it spud noo lol yea will be a beast this man!! when its built we need to see it sideways matey!!

[burgo]

thats sound mate i can see how youve done it from there. so simple lol dunno why i didnt think of it, cheers buddy

[bowman]

well mate you've inspired me..... i love the rear set up so much, i have to have somthing similar!, but i'm thinking of raising my rack up a little and using a spare locked tbx i have to run 4x4!! Wont be progressing for a while tho, as my arm is broken in 4 places!:mad:

You realise you probably started a trend of rwd/4x4 novas!

keep the updates coming matey!:thumb:

[cunit]

this is interesting, i'll be watching this thread. I remember your brown saloon of doom when you were on RB lol.

what were the ****ers on MIG saying?

[jayme taylor]

WOW !!!!!! I love it , keep up the top work matey !

[scott.parker]

Ace car mate i was looking at it on MIG the other day, so whats happened to the thread on there?

Scott

[Johnny A]

supercharger would be good if you get it on there aswell as the turbo (if its possible?)

nah you misunderstand chap, ONLY the blower, no turbo :)

[Johnny A]

this is interesting, i'll be watching this thread. I remember your brown saloon of doom when you were on RB lol.

SOD1 was awesome, but I didn't get a chance to do much to it because someone wrote it off (rear ender) :(

[Johnny A]

what were the ****ers on MIG saying?

Well basically everyone was being cool, you know saying how interesting it is and asking a few questions about various VX parts I have adapted to fit.

Then Allisterolsen (sp?) come on and said about the Akerman angles on the front, basically because I turned front hubs back to front it's effectively reversed the angles which messed up the handling. Although he was 100% correct we already knew this but planned to correct the issue at the end of build by chopping off the steering arms and mount very thick steel brackets bolted to the hubs (AstraG hubs are bolted to the carrier not pressed in, so we can use these bolting places to our advantage), then we can place the steering angle where we want :thumb:

We explained this and he wouldn't take no for an answer as it were, kept badgering about it, then Rick Draper came jumped on the band wagon backing Allister up about how the entire front end is flawed, I have wasted my time with the front end etc....

I came on and wrote a small novel on how we know how to fix and problem, we know what we are doing and my friend who is the technical advisor on this project has 18 years experience building kit cars and hot rods. If it were to continue I have asked mods/admin to automatically delete the thread. I have seen countless project threads slated to hell and back and had it happen to me once before, I really don't have the patience for idiots.

Anyways I went to bed that night, came back on the next evening to find the thread gone. According to the mod Rick Draper and another member came on at like 2am totally wasted and proceeded to put 3 pages of spam on the thread (nothing to do with the build, just random stuff and swear at me basically). Then at 8am Allister came on gun's a blazin'

So the thread was deleted, simple! I spoke to simps about it on the phone and he suggested I post it up here as people are more open minded.

I did however get one really good laugh out of the thread, the convo on the thread went something like this:
Rick draper: I agree with Allister, I cannot understand why you would want to build the car with a large design flaw. It's totally pointless.
RC: What you mean like building a totally lairy FWD 500bhp nova?
ME: PMSL lol

Rick may have thrown his toys out the pram at this point.

[vx kev]

Quality work man, absolutely amazing what folks can do. :thumb:

At the end of the day theres always folk that think they know best where ever you go, even on this site but hey ho.
What works for some people may not work for others but thats their prerogative eh :tard: We all have our own ways and means ;)

Keep up the good work :eek:

[Johnny A]

The weekend update:
To be honest I didn't get a huge amount done this weekend, we had a supply issue with cutting discs so I couldn't do any fabrication.

So I decided to install the engine and gearbox (not the mock ones, the proper ones)

I removed the engine and box from it's old car (Carlton), it needed a fair bit of prep before it was ready for it's new home.

Exhaust cam change from LET exhaust to late-spec XE with sensor drive
Late spec XE cam end cap with sensor
Replace the modified breather pipe with a standard unit
Fabricate shortened oil pickup pipe to suit bigwing sump
Swop the old sump for the custom bigwing (reuse 2.0 8v one piece gasket)
Fit engine mount brackets and rubbers
Grind down the top gearbox support fins (the 2.0 8v gearbox I used to build the tunnel round doesn't have these fins on the top and therefore they would rub)

This engine was rebuild by me severel years ago, hence it still being sparkly clean internally:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00269.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00270.jpg

Engine in
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00272.jpg

The rad needs moving forward to clear the supercharger I think

Exhaust manifold on
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00273.jpg

Right now lets see if it will fit!
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00274-1.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00275.jpg

That will be a yes then :D

[peester]

ha! this is like watching my dreams in a forum project thread!
normally stuff only reserved for big money fords and vw's..
hope u manage to see this through to the end and its as good as it potentially looks
Top stuff

[Mazz]

Would that be this engine?

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4995/dscn1225small.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/i/dscn1225small.jpg/)

[Johnny A]

yes mazz, it seems a bit lost in that engine bay lol

Got a 4.6 v8 going in it now ;)

[Mazz]

lol
that was billing 2006! I didn't think it was that ago...

[Johnny A]

scary ain't it

[Johnny A]

Also for those who don't know what Eaton superchargers sound like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzTyLbJ7WHY

This car is where my blower came from, if you ignore his quiet exhaust all you can really hear is the supercharger whine!

[peester]

..those top mounts arent staying on the outside of the turrets obviously...?

[Johnny A]

yep, not exactly held in with two bolts anymore though

[mikey14sr]

oh dear god!

Interested to see how the modified rear beam holds up, I'd have most likely cut the centre section out completely and then doubled up the beam mounts to the body with a 6 inch gap between, similar to class 6 grasstrackers.

[Benn]

Mr A, seeing the charger in the bay is giving me the horn!

Gutted Jaime deleted the thread on Mig, but some where being pricks.

[John]

Holy shizzle! Top stuff batman!

[Johnny A]

oh dear god!

Interested to see how the modified rear beam holds up, I'd have most likely cut the centre section out completely and then doubled up the beam mounts to the body with a 6 inch gap between, similar to class 6 grasstrackers.

Jamie (the hot rod builder) used to use this method a lot to get the beam to clear the centre bar, and we are talking 400bhp V8's here.

Most of the energy to shoved forwards anyways which means poly bushes and some heavy reinforcement of the standard beam mounting points (yet to do this)

[The Simps]

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00273.jpg

After seeing this pic I think I might struggle to keep the std rack. There really isn't much room is there!

That charger looks like a proper tight squeeze! Will it be moving about much?

[Adam]

Only just seen this thread after it was mentioned at todays NW meet.

Awesome work, and SC'harged too. Going to be quite a build.

[Spudly]

Keep it up dude your fab skills look mint and some clever ideas being trown in there too, i eagerly await the next update...


Btw on an autobox, superchargers sound poo lol

I have a vid on my phone of a supercharged hummer h2 and that sounds mint, ill see if i can host it and post it if anyone is interested!

[jimbob-mcgrew]

wow, this is serious stuff.
the custom sump is genious.

[mikey14sr]

Jamie (the hot rod builder) used to use this method a lot to get the beam to clear the centre bar, and we are talking 400bhp V8's here.

Most of the energy to shoved forwards anyways which means poly bushes and some heavy reinforcement of the standard beam mounting points (yet to do this)

I was thinking more in relation to the twisting forces along the centre of the beam from suspension movement causing fatigue in the notched area, but I see you've beefed up what's left there, and I suppose if it's sliding it's butt around most of the time there won't be much twist on it anyway!

[bowman]

I was thinking more in relation to the twisting forces along the centre of the beam from suspension movement causing fatigue in the notched area, but I see you've beefed up what's left there, and I suppose if it's sliding it's butt around most of the time there won't be much twist on it anyway!

I think heavily stiffened suspension and limited travel would reduce the amount of twisting the beam has to do.:confused:

[Johnny A]

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00273.jpg

After seeing this pic I think I might struggle to keep the std rack. There really isn't much room is there!

That charger looks like a proper tight squeeze! Will it be moving about much?

Remember the engine is higher than normal as thats what I wanted, if you moved the rack upwards it would work.

The blower has loads of clearance everywhere bar the pulley itself, but its easy enough. The engine itself won't move hardly at all thanks for Carlton/Senator 3.0 24v engine mount rubbers and dampeners :D

[Johnny A]

I was thinking more in relation to the twisting forces along the centre of the beam from suspension movement causing fatigue in the notched area, but I see you've beefed up what's left there, and I suppose if it's sliding it's butt around most of the time there won't be much twist on it anyway!

Only time will tell, Jamie is confident the strengthening is more than ample.

But remember this is the first time this has been done in this manner, so its all going to be a 'suck it and see' thing. If I buckle the rear beam, meh they are 10 to a penny lol

[Johnny A]

I suppose if it's sliding it's butt around most of the time there won't be much twist on it anyway!

Supercharged 350bhp RWD nova with a light back end, 195's and a very stiff LSD.

:thumb:

[bowman]

But remember this is the first time this has been done in this manner, so its all going to be a 'suck it and see' thing. If I buckle the rear beam, meh they are 10 to a penny lol[/quote]

could'nt agree more matey! lash it together, tweek it later!

[Johnny A]

Well the Leda uber short coilovers arrived today for the front, damn they are sexy!! They came with TAS eccentric top mounts which are now up for sale (check for sale area).

Also the half shafts are milled down and ready, all I am missing now is the prop!!

[Pistol Pete]

I remember your Carlton from MIG. Dont recall the build thread for this on MIG, but then it sounds like it went the way a few do :roll:

Loving it so far. Looks good, cant wait to see more updates.

[dj_wudgey]

Supercharged 350bhp RWD nova with a light back end, 195's and a very stiff LSD.

:thumb:

sounds f*cking bang on to me lol

[gunny]

I hate you but i love you lol, this was my plan for my green loon when the VXR project is out the way, fair play to you mate and i will be stealing ideas in the future when its time to build mine :thumb:

+Rep

[Lee]

LMFAO Gunny, this is also the intended fate of my next build. I was like WTF, some git is already doing it lol

Mine is going to be mildly different though, as I I will be using a Jap donor car, and I intend to use a 6 pot, but loads of the stuff you've done here looks like a snapshot from my dreams lol

Welcome along by the way, and thanks for sharing with us :) Will definately be watching and picking up tips along the way!

[Sloth]

lol everyones going rwd.....

lee, 4dr.... ;)

[gunny]

Yes as you said Lee all be it a few differences.

I like how you've kept it all vauxhall johnny, i was thinking more towards incorperating cosworth gear on the rear but pretty much what you've done under the bonnet.

[The Simps]

bloody hell!

[Lee]

Well so long as we all produce cars that arn't all carbon copies then we shall all be onto a winner :)

[gunny]

lol i'll make sure mine has its own little twist

[The Simps]

we'll have to have our own stand at Billing next year lol

[gunny]

RWDNClub.com lol

[mikey14sr]

Well so long as we all produce cars that arn't all carbon copies then we shall all be onto a winner :)

I've had plans for a rwd V6 loon in the back of my head for about 5 years, can't see them coming to life for at least another 5 though :( .

[Johnny A]

Thats cool guys, build away. But its more work than you imagine it is. The tunnel alone took me about 40-45 hours of solid work

[gunny]

Never imagined it would be easy mate, but worth doing in my eyes, the mid engined nova's just dont do it for me so im well up for the hard work and time to have something ive wanted for a while now. Keep it up pal cant wait to see this beast done :thumb:

[sparkie1401]

thats a mint build

its unique its cool, you can clearly see you know what your doing and the workmanship is tip top!

ignore the busy body know it alls, bunch of t-wats

REP your way Mr A

[Johnny A]

Thanks for the support guys, I doubt very much I will be working on her this weekend. It's the weekend before Billing and a little corsa-B has come up for sale. Its owned by a right chav who lives 2drs along from Jamie, its been running on 3 cylinders for months and finally something has died in the engine so he is selling it for £150! It's black, lowered with some really smart 17s. I fancy buying it to run about in till the nova is done, if I can get down there and buy it this friday I can have a very special engine fitted over the weekend (1.3 8v Turbo)

[Welshy]

very nice work mate, pics of the corsa if you do buy :)

[Johnny A]

From what I can remember the shell itself is fine, just the engine has been abused a lot (1.2 16v)

[BRoadGhost]

Let me start off by saying I like the idea of this build and some of the engineering.

What I'm most bemused by however is the use of bloody great 2MM right angle bits of steel when it's married to a tubular steel frame and 1MM factory floorpan.

I'm not impressed by the way the two tubes, acting as a subframe are welded to the chassis legs in the bay either. Those tubes could have been tied in beautifully with some carefully thinking & bracketry but instead each one got an inch of weld 25º from the strengthening plate.

[Sloth]

oh here we go........ (keeps stchum)

[Lee]

Thats cool guys, build away. But its more work than you imagine it is. The tunnel alone took me about 40-45 hours of solid work

Id be surprised if i manage to do mine within two years :)

[Johnny A]

Let me start off by saying I like the idea of this build and some of the engineering.

What I'm most bemused by however is the use of bloody great 2MM right angle bits of steel when it's married to a tubular steel frame and 1MM factory floorpan.

I'm not impressed by the way the two tubes, acting as a subframe are welded to the chassis legs in the bay either. Those tubes could have been tied in beautifully with some carefully thinking & bracketry but instead each one got an inch of weld 25º from the strengthening plate.

Instead of me trying to correct you because your looking at the design at a distance through a camera phone with the resolution reduced to 640x480, then you argue about how you think the design is flawed how about this:
Question 1: You built one of these have ya?

no? then leave your negative opinions to yourself. Know it all morons started nitpicking on MIG and the thread was deleted, I don't have the patience.... or haven't you been reading?

[John]

Instead of me trying to correct you because your looking at the design at a distance through a camera phone with the resolution reduced to 640x480, then you argue about how you think the design is flawed how about this:
Question 1: You built one of these have ya?

no? then leave your negative opinions to yourself. Know it all morons started nitpicking on MIG and the thread was deleted, I don't have the patience.... or haven't you been reading?

Well said that man! :)

[Sloth]

true but if it stops you killing yourself, then its valid imho.

[Johnny A]

true but if it stops you killing yourself, then its valid imho.

I will say this once in this thread, myself and my friend Jamie who has 18 years experience building such cars have approved the setup - it has more bracing than you think.

We know what we are doing!

[Lee]

I will say this once in this thread, myself and my friend Jamie who has 18 years experience building such cars have approved the setup - it has more bracing than you think.

We know what we are doing!
In which case, ignore negative comments instead of getting all uppity. Fair enough, you got seriously badgered on MIG, but I would imagine part of that badgering was because you were giving as good as you got.

Calm down and chill out. Its a free country, people are entitled to their opinions. We will keep an eye to make sure you dont get drowned in spam like you say you did on MIG, but at the same time Im not going to stop people from voicing an opinion if they have one. By the look of it, to me you have seriously good fabrication skills, and I cant wait to see the end product.

Just dont let your ego get another thread removed.

[Count Vaux Alot]

As Lee said every one is entitled to their opinion and most will voice it if they feel necessary, building a car that is 'out of the ordinary' or different to the norm will draw opinions good or bad from miles around.
So if you are going to take on a challenge like this then be prepared for it and keep up the good work :thumb:

[paddy138]

coming along nicely, what colour you going to go for,
its a mad project, would be brilliant to be stopped at a roundabout and seeing a nova saloon on steel wheels coming round sideways, keep up the good work

[Martin]

yummy..

nuff said

[BRoadGhost]

You see Jonny the thing is when you release your work into the public domain it becomes more than just your own. Realise it or not, you are looking for feedback.

Suffice to say everyone wants a clean sweep of excellent responses, but until EVERYTHING documented IS, it wont happen. Understand there ARE people out there with fabrication knowledge, skill and understanding on parr and maybe beyond your own current ability.

To respond with something like "have you built one" is a danerous game. Until you stop saying such things and be aware that others have, you run the risk of getting emotional about such feedback.

There might be people viewing this thread that could have finished projects just sat behind closed doors, documented, but not public information, that go beyond what some users will even be building in the next ten years thinking they are innovators.

[Sloth]

well said that man /\

rep +

[Plug]

yes very well said BRoadGhost. (what u hiding in a garage for us then :))


I like this project johnny so keep up the good work and cant wait to see it finished. Have you got a deadline?

[saloonwoody]

m8 this is gonna be AWESOME !!!! dont rise to the bait of negative comments they are obviously jealous , its new ground you are treading on so suck it and see and get some sidways vids up when your done ;)

[gunny]

m8 this is gonna be AWESOME !!!! dont rise to the bait of negative comments they are obviously jealous , its new ground you are treading on so suck it and see and get some sidways vids up when your done ;)

I second that :thumb:

[BRoadGhost]

It's not a case of being jealous, it's a case of engineering solutions.

My projects done and sat waiting thanks…

Besides you can call it negative but the remarks were merely questioning.

The ground he's covering ISN'T new - take a look back at Austin's FR XE.

I remember when Austin was leading the way with stripped out carbed XE and Johnny was running twin radiators.

[Count Vaux Alot]

It's not a case of being jealous, it's a case of engineering solutions.

My projects done and sat waiting thanks…

Besides you can call it negative but the remarks were merely questioning.

The ground he's covering ISN'T new - take a look back at Austin's FR XE.

I remember when Austin was leading the way with stripped out carbed XE and Johnny was running twin radiators.

I would have to agree there isn't much thats new...

[Rick Draper]

It's not a case of being jealous, it's a case of engineering solutions.

My projects done and sat waiting thanks…

Besides you can call it negative but the remarks were merely questioning.

The ground he's covering ISN'T new - take a look back at Austin's FR XE.

I remember when Austin was leading the way with stripped out carbed XE and Johnny was running twin radiators.

I agree and i remember that now...

+1 rep

[bowman]

Any updates for us matey?

[djshaggeh]

I guess not all the haters have scared him away^.... chumps

[Rysee]

Keep up the good work mate, engineers throughout history have been mocked, the proof is in the pudding and when your going sideways they'll be the jokers

[dj_wudgey]

need more updates this car as "it's off the ricta"

[John]

what ever happened to this?

[Sloth]

hes still building it, but he never publisises (sp) his work. shame, but the guy had a "god complex", and couldnt be told.

[Benn]

Wft? Johnny doesn't have a "god like complex"

Johnny knows what he's doing as does Jamie who's helping him build the car.

[nova josh]

love the car great idea me and me dad doin an mk2 astra like this 4s replica.

[Sloth]

Wft? Johnny doesn't have a "god like complex"

Johnny knows what he's doing as does Jamie who's helping him build the car. yes and so do alot of other people aswell, but for the guy to post saying, "i dont wanna hear negative stuff, i am right" when there are obvious faults in what hes doing is a little blase. that and the fact that there is always someone who has either done it before or has more knowledge. i showed the pics to a pro drag car chassis builder who is a very close mate of the family, and he saw flaws in a fair few bits of the build. but hey, who am i to question the guy???:thumb:

[Benn]

Hhhmm there's one person on here that's built this kinda car, dont remember Austin replying. Jamie that's helping John build the car is a hotrod style builder having built many cars of all types. So i think the finely design will be well build safe and right.

Remember none of the pics are gonna be a finished item.

[John]

whatever happened to this Johnny? Did it ever get finished? Would be good to see pics if there was progress.

[The Simps]

I spoke to Jonny he other day about this. He sold up and moved to the french riveria with the proceeds and is now a rent boy to Z list celebrities. He know gets to get his ass out but in a different kind of way.

[John]

I spoke to Jonny he other day about this. He sold up and moved to the french riveria with the proceeds and is now a rent boy to Z list celebrities. He know gets to get his ass out but in a different kind of way.

lol lol

[Count Vaux Alot]

I spoke to Jonny he other day about this. He sold up and moved to the french riveria with the proceeds and is now a rent boy to Z list celebrities. He know gets to get his ass out but in a different kind of way.

Is that your plan too?

[The Simps]

I wish James, good money to be made! Sadly they're not as much into the bear scene in the french riveria as you might think. Italian riveria tho....

[bmw156]

i dont want to open a can of worms,

but i think the design is also crap of the subframe lol.

and to the point of people knowing their stuff. alot of the really knowledgeable people dont/wont post on forums because there is to many monkeys around saying they are wrong.

[mowgli]

to be fair, if i was looking at doing a rwd nova, i'd be looking at either a chevette front setup, or a bespoke hotrod one, which is usually based on a HA viva. then the rear end would be whatever i could fit in... like an old alfa irs or similar. or the simps method.

[bmw156]

as soon as you start cutting etc
then you enter the IVA/BIVA/SVA or what ever it is. people seem to ignore this and carry on.

[mowgli]

martin, a subframe/xmember could easilly be mounted to existing points on the nova chassis... what about the transmission tunnel???

[Edd]

i dont want to open a can of worms,

but i think the design is also crap of the subframe lol.

and to the point of people knowing their stuff. alot of the really knowledgeable people dont/wont post on forums because there is to many monkeys around saying they are wrong.

going by that statement, your calling yourself a monkey then ? lol :d

[loggyboy]

as soon as you start cutting etc
then you enter the IVA/BIVA/SVA or what ever it is. people seem to ignore this and carry on.

Only if you tell them. Just cutting out rear turrets to install coilovers on the rear of a nova should technically require an IVA, but unless you are doing a proper kit or something that really stands out on the outside that your average layman would notice, then no one will ever bother, or be made to bother about IVA'ing 'radically modified' cars.

[bmw156]

martin, a subframe/xmember could easilly be mounted to existing points on the nova chassis... what about the transmission tunnel???

the transmission tunnel is not allowed to be cut. it is part of the monocoque etc.

front cross member is another biggie.

and Edd, im not calling my self a monkey but there are alot of people on forums which think they know everything,

i bet there are maybe 10-15 people on here that actually have profesional experiance or a degree in the right areas and know their stuff.

i can think of a few, stuart, jonlem, mk999 - cant think of anymore atm,

[bmw156]

Only if you tell them. Just cutting out rear turrets to install coilovers on the rear of a nova should technically require an IVA, but unless you are doing a proper kit or something that really stands out on the outside that your average layman would notice, then no one will ever bother, or be made to bother about IVA'ing 'radically modified' cars.

your right, its very hard to catch people. but as soon as an engine upgrade is logged on the log book then im sure they could pull in for it. im expecting one on the chevette but i have covered my back on the way i have done things.

[The Simps]

i bet there are maybe 10-15 people on here that actually have profesional experiance or a degree in the right areas and know their stuff.

i can think of a few, stuart, jonlem, mk999 - cant think of anymore atm,


I'd ignore anything he says.

[MK999]

I'd ignore anything he says.

Well you seem to atm

Me: "this is how you build a proper track car"

Simps: *sits on ass*

[John]

the transmission tunnel is not allowed to be cut. it is part of the monocoque etc.

front cross member is another biggie.

and Edd, im not calling my self a monkey but there are alot of people on forums which think they know everything,

i bet there are maybe 10-15 people on here that actually have profesional experiance or a degree in the right areas and know their stuff.

i can think of a few, stuart, jonlem, mk999 - cant think of anymore atm,

So if you don't have some sort of motorsport/race engineering degree, you're a monkey?

[mowgli]

the most recognised qualification i have is a cycling proficiency badge.

but i have been playing around with mucky stuff on vehicles for about 34 years now......

[bazil]

meh i know nothing then............but they gave me qualifactions to play with deadly pesticides and chemicals lol

[The Simps]

i dont want to open a can of worms,

but i think the design is also crap of the subframe lol.



Are you talking about the cradle design he's used? What specifically is it you feel is wrong?

[AdamK]

Shame there hasnt been any updates on this, was really looking forwad to seeing the finished product as i was reading through, tbh i know everyone is entitled to their own opinions and its a free country all that old **** but sometimes people need to think about what they say, at the end of the day someone coming on here and slating him for what hes doing isnt helping anything.
It clearly sais that nothing is finished on it so how do you know that hes not going to correct these things before you start giving him negitive comments.

I dont get why people cant just say if they feel they have to say anything atall that its not to their taste or something along those lines, seems to be way to many keyboard warriors out there

I hope to see some more of this as looks to be a brilliant build.

[The Simps]

Shame there hasnt been any updates on this, was really looking forwad to seeing the finished product as i was reading through, tbh i know everyone is entitled to their own opinions and its a free country all that old **** but sometimes people need to think about what they say, at the end of the day someone coming on here and slating him for what hes doing isnt helping anything.
It clearly sais that nothing is finished on it so how do you know that hes not going to correct these things before you start giving him negitive comments.

I dont get why people cant just say if they feel they have to say anything atall that its not to their taste or something along those lines, seems to be way to many keyboard warriors out there

I hope to see some more of this as looks to be a brilliant build.


:thumb:

[MK999]

There is that, but he could also come to the end of it, and someone says "oh, you didn't correct x before you finished? Noticed that ages ago" and it's a case of... well you could have mentioned it before I got the point of having to tear it all apart to correct it.

Personally I'd prefer someone to 'slate' everything I'm doing so I'm aware of it and can reconsider it if needs be.

[mowgli]

where i was a touch concerned was the fact that the bulkhead hadn't been cut back, leaving the engine sticking out the front, then shoved up in the air to'clear' the steering. which was being overseen by a friend of his who built hot rods......a vehicle designed pretty much to be driven slowly on the road & like hell in a short straight line, and with not much in the way of cornering ability...... thus i think the handling was going to be difficult. i hope it isn't and will be more than happy to be proven wrong.

these are my own opinions and not gleaned from anyone else

[AdamK]

Im not saying that no body should comment if they see something wrong, no one can argue against that but instead of saying youve done this this and this wrong suggest your way of doing it and if they chose to change whatever it is then thats up to them, at the end of the day you learn from your mistakes and thats the best way to learn imo but thats enuff spaming hes thread from me.

[MK999]

^^^ see something like that (edit: mowgli's post) is the reason no one should be getting offended at this being pointed out, it's all a game of sacrifice and compromises. If he did move the engine it means such and such happens which then affects x which changes y.

The 'right' way of doing it is to package the car and it's contents as an infinitesimal dot in the very centre bottom of the car, with a flat chassis of infinite stiffness leading to a suspension setup that keeps the wheels at perfect camber angles and a body around this if you like, which would obviously weigh nothing, the same as the rest of the car.

When someone manages that, and they get called out on a detail being 'incorrect' they may slate the caller-out lol

[Edd]

when you have a project like this which involves so much fabrication you will always get opinions on how to do it ect etc

i have absolutely no knowledge on something like this but i do wonder why the engine is on the piss and so high up in the bay, a evo bonnet going to be needed lol

[John]

oh dear, what did i start lol

[mowgli]

a healthy debate i think.. pity johnny a got upset & left...

but as a build thread, look at colin's.. there are healthy debates and everyone's 4 pence worth is put in, and it feels like a png club effort.

[The Simps]

i have absolutely no knowledge on something like this but i do wonder why the engine is on the piss and so high up in the bay, a evo bonnet going to be needed lol


Engine on the tilt (if thats what you mean?) is quite common. Its normally to aid inlet clearance or something similar.

The height of the engine and its position far forward isn't great/ideal I agree, and thats why even spending ages & getting carpal tunnel smoothing my bulkhead, I ended up cutting mine out and moving the engine further back.

I'm sure this came up in discussion in a previous JonnyA tread and he gave his reasons for going this route.

[mowgli]

notice the deliberate mistake......

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00274-1.jpg

[Edd]

top mounts on the wrong side of turrets ?

or charger touching inner wing ?

[mowgli]

charger where the exhaust manifold should go was my thought.....

[bmw156]

notice the deliberate mistake......

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00274-1.jpg

i was gonna say this earlier.

its on the wrong side no?

[The Simps]

I think the exhaust manifold would go under.

I'm not sure why he has gone for the engine tilt tho because I would of guessed the inlet would of fitted ok being upright and that wouldn't given more room for the charger. Unless it was tilted so the exhaust was lower and gave more charger clearance??

[bmw156]

So if you don't have some sort of motorsport/race engineering degree, you're a monkey?

sorry for the double post,

im not saying people are monkeys. what i have learnt is all from the internet/doing it. but i dont know any proper technical stuff.

like when mk999 says "The 'right' way of doing it is to package the car and it's contents as an infinitesimal dot in the very centre bottom of the car, with a flat chassis of infinite stiffness leading to a suspension setup that keeps the wheels at perfect camber angles and a body around this if you like, which would obviously weigh nothing, the same as the rest of the car."

i have no idea what he means lol. i suspect i could difuse it after a while with research. IMO thats "proper". just because someone can cut, weld, and turn uprights backwards doesnt mean he is a genius.

[bmw156]

I think the exhaust manifold would go under.

I'm not sure why he has gone for the engine tilt tho because I would of guessed the inlet would of fitted ok being upright and that wouldn't given more room for the charger. Unless it was tilted so the exhaust was lower and gave more charger clearance??

is it not tilting because of the gearbox? like manta ones, i think he is using a carlton one though.....

[mowgli]

the tilt is there whether its fwd or rwd..

[The Simps]

Ah yes! I forget he's on a vauxhall box. If you use a type9 for example you can state tilt or not when ordring the bellhhousing adapter.

[The Simps]

the tilt is there whether its fwd or rwd..

fwd XE's don't tilt, not to that extent anuyway???

[bmw156]

Ah yes! I forget he's on a vauxhall box. If you use a type9 for example you can state tilt or not when ordring the bellhhousing adapter.
yeh, i researched that when looking at mine, TBH if i had gone type 9 i would of gone upright. parts are easier to find second hand lol.

simps, i was thinking the same. XE's always looks flat to me! (but careful mowgli - we are opposing opinions, other people might not be happy)

p.s about colins thread, i think its great. all the input good or bad etc

[Edd]

I think the exhaust manifold would go under.


mmmm not sure it will because going by a underside pic of a eaton it would appear that he need the plate and pipe work coming out of there as well so will foul the exhaust manifold

http://www.alfa145.com/upload/Eaton%20M45_1.jpg

[bmw156]

i posted these in another thread.

but i think if the OP was to do it, it should be done like this
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu237/lotdave/198.jpg

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu237/lotdave/202.jpg

[mowgli]

martin, is it just the pics or is the engine pointing towards the lh front corner too???




fwd XE's don't tilt, not to that extent anuyway???

i'll be sticking a spirit level on a few at billing..... that'll cheer them up... just to make sure, i'll do it on the mig stand.....

i think its a trick of the eye in a fwd cos of the angle of the bonnet.

[MK999]

like when mk999 says "The 'right' way of doing it is to package the car and it's contents as an infinitesimal dot in the very centre bottom of the car, with a flat chassis of infinite stiffness leading to a suspension setup that keeps the wheels at perfect camber angles and a body around this if you like, which would obviously weigh nothing, the same as the rest of the car."

It's an impossible situation, kinda like saying the best turbocharger is one that compresses to infinite bar, oxygen would probably be liquid at that temperature and if you could compress it in the engine you'd have something that would make the earth spin backwards. Since you can't do that with a chassis, there is no right way of doing it, and hence everyone will always have their own ideas, none of which are right.

Basically, no one is/should/was saying anything is right or wrong, just there is a way to make one particular aspect better while comprimising another, hence there's no reason to take it as your idea being slated.

Geoff Goddard loves quoting, constantly "No one ever picks the best design, you have to choose the least worst"

[Benn]

I hope at some point John will finish this.



the most recognised qualification i have is a cycling proficiency badge.

but i have been playing around with mucky stuff on vehicles for about 34 years now......

hahahahaha i'm crying over this..

I spend 5-6 years working on (bodywise) and servicing and such cars in/for the body shop.. And i have no qualifications in it.

[MK999]

I spend 5-6 years working on (bodywise) and servicing and such cars in/for the body shop.. And i have no qualifications in it.

I have qualifications I forget about lol I picked up a BTEC and a HND by accident lol

[bmw156]

martin, is it just the pics or is the engine pointing towards the lh front corner too???


i dunno tbh mowgli. i picked up my manta box of him and he had the engine sitting in his shed.

i should go visit him really lol.

[Benn]

I have qualifications I forget about lol I picked up a BTEC and a HND by accident lol

Where they on the table by the door as you left? lol

[mowgli]

if i'd picked up an HND & a BTEC, i'd hope i wasn't playing scrabble....

i'll get my coat

[BRoadGhost]

Sweet Jebus WHO designed that inlet?:cuckoo:

...At least cylinder no.3 won't starve.

[MK999]

Where they on the table by the door as you left? lol

BTEC is the old training system for work, and it's in DIY retail, the training programme actually got accredited!!

HND is my foundation year, didn't even know I had it until I looked at my library card last year and saw it said HND foundation degree in engineering lol

[General Baxter]

Sweet Jebus WHO designed that inlet?:cuckoo:

...At least cylinder no.3 won't starve.

its ok, theres a big hole in it lollollollol


on another note, if anyone wants the twin flanges for a eaton 45 i can get them :thumb:

[bmw156]

Sweet Jebus WHO designed that inlet?:cuckoo:

...At least cylinder no.3 won't starve.#

lol in the theme of this thread you should of said. "that inlet doesnt look great - here is my soloution etc etc.

and of course i forgot gasses under pressure always go straight.....

p.s having another look at it, it looks like the pipe actually covers cyl 2 and 3 equally!

[MK999]

#

lol in the theme of this thread you should of said. "that inlet doesnt look great - here is my soloution etc etc.

and of course i forgot gasses under pressure always go straight.....

p.s having another look at it, it looks like the pipe actually covers cyl 2 and 3 equally!

Regardless cylinder 1 is pretty screwed lol Melty melty

[mowgli]

funny..i thought that if you pressurised a plenum, every time a valve opens, a load of air gets sucked in...really fast.

but i just looked at that pic again......thats very odd

[MK999]

funny..i thought that if you pressurised a plenum, every time a valve opens, a load of air gets sucked in...really fast.

but i just looked at that pic again......thats very odd

It does get pushed in, really fast... fast enough to have momentum which means it likes to carry on in the direction it's travelling, which in this case is straight towards cylinder 3, with a little bit towards 4, relying on pressure to hit 2, and black magic to fill cylinder 1. The cylinder fill and AFR for those 4 cylinders will vary wildly.

It does get pushed in though, really fast... fast enough to have momentum

[Johnny A]

notice the deliberate mistake......

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00274-1.jpg
No mistake fella except the blower isn't mounted using my arms now, I have hired a small Mexican prostitute to hold it for me now...... ahem

But I think this picture and mowgli's comment (sorry for picking on ya dude) sums up the attitude of a few people on here. I am physically holding the blower in the area I wanted it in to give you an idea of its final location. Its since been mounted higher and has plenty of room for the boost pipe and the exhaust manifold (which is rather significantly heat wrapped).

P.S I never left the forum, just abandoned the thread as it wasn't a debate anymore. I mean if you look back over the pages at the flaws (the reversed front hubs spring to mind) and a few people saying how stupid it is... how all that work is for nothing.... you will have to redesign this and that now yada yada. Well whilst this was going on me and Jamie already knew the solution, I wouldn't have gone to all that trouble if we didn't. The solution itself is SO simple its staring everyone in the face but at this stage I couldn't be bothered to explain it - too tired of all the BS, but before anyone starts off again - no I didn't add anything to the hubs themselves to correct the akerman angles.

But the past few days have been pretty entertaining watching 'you monkeys' squabbling lol

and thank you goes to Benn and Simps for standing up for me, you guys are getting an ice cream cone at Billing (you will have to share it though :d)

Peace OUT

[John]

dude, i bumped the thread, i didn't intend to open a can of worms, i was genuinely interested.

[mowgli]

funny how you've been watching this for a few days.... john h only woke it up this morning.......

and instead of calling us monkeys.... why not enlighten us instead of insulting us...........

.

[bmw156]

please redeem your self and show us some pictures of the "strength added that we cant see" to the front engine mounts as i dont think this is in anyway suitable for a 2.0l super charged engine.

edit: i am more then welcome to suggestions on my project thread. (make sure they are suggestions and not insults)

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00352.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/Johnnyaspec/DSC00353.jpg

[Johnny A]

Redeem myself? I don't owe any of you anything in the slightest.

I know its a long time anyways (there are reasons for this which I won't go into why I put the project on hold) but when this car is done I will post on here again with videos and whatnot, so keep them thread subscriptions active!

[burgo]

you tit martin, how the facking hell is that ever a finished mount.

welcome back ish johnny, get a new unit sorted yet? this is still one of my favourites and cant wait to see it finished

[bmw156]

lol ok. your always so defensive.

is this going to be a road car. if so, do you not think we might be worried for your well being!

[Johnny A]

you tit martin, how the facking hell is that ever a finished mount.

welcome back ish johnny, get a new unit sorted yet? this is still one of my favourites and cant wait to see it finished

Hi burgo, new unit is up and running... ish. Still got to build up the worktops and install some nice big tools I have purchased, hopefully getting the Nova moved in this saturday :thumb:

[Iain]

Off topic: Hi Johnny I know you don't know me but can I have some ice cream too?

[burgo]

Hi burgo, new unit is up and running... ish. Still got to build up the worktops and install some nice big tools I have purchased, hopefully getting the Nova moved in this saturday :thumb:excellent news dude, look forward to new pics :d

[Johnny A]

lol ok. your always so defensive.

I would argue that your reading my posts in a certain manner as thats how your perceiving me. For example I referenced the term 'you monkeys' as it was talked about earlier, hoping it would be taken in the manner it was given (in jest). Anyone who has met me will have already known this :)

I stand by my comment though, I don't owe anyone anything. Also showing you images of the finished cradle with everything smoothed off and braced would be pointless, the history of this thread shows that upon correction of one person another pops up slagging something else off lol

[Johnny A]

Off topic: Hi Johnny I know you don't know me but can I have some ice cream too?

Your nova, it looks like my old one. So yes :cool:

[Iain]

Winner!

[bmw156]

I would argue that your reading my posts in a certain manner as thats how your perceiving me. For example I referenced the term 'you monkeys' as it was talked about earlier, hoping it would be taken in the manner it was given (in jest). Anyone who has met me will have already known this :)

I stand by my comment though, I don't owe anyone anything. Also showing you images of the finished cradle with everything smoothed off and braced would be pointless, the history of this thread shows that upon correction of one person another pops up slagging something else off lol
lol im glad you have a sense of humor :d

and ok then just pm me some images. if you dont want others to see lol.

p.s is this a road car?

p.p.s can i have an ice cream :D

[Johnny A]

Road car yes, if it goes through an IVA (I suspect it will fail first time around as you always miss something but I can always alter stuff to make them happy). I realise this probably means a Q plate status too but I don't care.

If however it can't get through an IVA I will cage it and use it as a dedicated track toy.

[Andy]

I don't owe anyone anything

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZ6sSqq4tBoy2tL03E7YbZ2fJIDQ4XN VMgspdy9UkpEMBkJqjf l0l

Cba to read the rest of the drivel posted since the thread was bumped.Looking forward to more progress and moreso the finished result:thumb:

[John]

oooh come on, just one pic? :)

[burgo]

no such things as Q plates anymore, it will be given an age related plate or in other words be allowed to retain its current one. will probably need a new chassis number though which you can make :d

[Johnny A]

Even better, I love the fact its one of the first Novas.

[bmw156]

read these, more so the bottom one :)

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/dvla-engine-swap-notification-changes.html

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/Chassis-and-Monocoque-Modification.html

[Johnny A]

Just been back through the pages to find the last time I put an update up with pics, page 5! Done plenty more since then! Shell is about 95% done now bar a little more bracing round the rear drive area, since getting the new unit I am thinking of making a frame so I can flip the chassis upside down (can't remember the correct name)

[Johnny A]

read these, more so the bottom one :)

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/dvla-engine-swap-notification-changes.html

http://www.the-ace.org.uk/Chassis-and-Monocoque-Modification.html

I fully realise it will need an IVA as I have modified structural parts of the chassis (transmission tunnel cutout being the biggest)

[bmw156]

lol good im glad you realise it. i think in the points system you have 0 points!

im just being helpful :) its always good to read something about a possible problem.

p.s burgo it mentions in one of those links on the DVLA website that Q plates can still be issued.

[Pistol Pete]

Be good to see some updates on this interesting project.

I dont get why people feel the need to be all bitchy and seem to think they know best. Maybe i have read some posts wrong....but thats how it seems. To me.

bmw156...no offence dude, but you wade in here.....i seem to recall you getting abit touchy when people commented on your rather "agricultural" radiator mounts!!!

[bmw156]

bmw156...no offence dude, but you wade in here.....i seem to recall you getting abit touchy when people commented on your rather "agricultural" radiator mounts!!!

no offence taken,
i may initially got touchy, but i took the criticism on board and rectified it. and i appreciate the input, maybe just not straight away lol

[General Baxter]

cheer up x-mas is over lol

[The Simps]

and thank you goes to Benn and Simps for standing up for me, you guys are getting an ice cream cone at Billing (you will have to share it though :d)

Thats worth coming to Billing this year in itself! lol

[Johnny A]

Thats worth coming to Billing this year in itself! lol

Which part? The free ice cream or the fact you and benn both have to lick it together lol

[The Simps]

Me & Benn have shared things before so thats nothing new.

[Johnny A]

Can I watch?

[The Simps]

If your buying the icecream it seems only fair!

[Rich]

this thread is really gay


lol

[The Simps]

Wait til I start the "show us pics of your Mr" thread ;)

[Benn]

Me & Benn have shared things before so thats nothing new.

haha you slept in my bed once.

[mowgli]

its not the sleeping that worries us......

[Lee]

Just my two pence worth, but projects like this are a shame to miss out on when some ruin it for the many.

If you want to continue updates on a read only basis, i'm sure we could sort something out :)

[AdamK]

Just my two pence worth, but projects like this are a shame to miss out on when some ruin it for the many.

If you want to continue updates on a read only basis, i'm sure we could sort something out :)

All that needs to be done is to put if anyone comments they get a ban for a week, soon put a hush to the keyboard warriors.

[The Simps]

If you want to continue updates on a read only basis, i'm sure we could sort something out :)


You cant do that!! Where will I be able to post gay inuendo??

[Lee]

You cant do that!! Where will I be able to post gay inuendo??

Pretty much everywhere else really lol

[MK999]

You cant do that!! Where will I be able to post gay inuendo??

Are you sure you're on the right forum? This is the Poofs Nancies and Gays club, which did you think you were on?

[MattBrown]

Looks good.

Not how I would do it, but it's your car.

I don't see the problem with the criticism? Your not a top car designer, or you would be working designing cars?

Take all the advice, and think on it.

Advice is free, always listen, then decide weather you need to act up on it!

[Paul]

Jesus, how has this thread got 20 something pages and 3 pictures of the car?

Literally the most boring thread on here, probably worse than the racist joke thread.

If it was being updated then It'd be a different story.

[scott.parker]

Shame to see such quibbling over not a lot really, i must admit i don't miss cyber bitching about cars...

[Edd]

Looks good.

Not how I would do it, but it's your car.

I don't see the problem with the criticism? Your not a top car designer, or you would be working designing cars?

Take all the advice, and think on it.

Advice is free, always listen, then decide weather you need to act up on it!
:eek: :eek: :eek: Matt you've gone all sensible offering advice and stuff lol :thumb:

[MattBrown]

:eek: :eek: :eek: Matt you've gone all sensible offering advice and stuff lol :thumb:


19 on Monday, old and sensible now! lollollol

[jodla]

This Car is future classic mate! ****ing awsome!

[loggyboy]

no such things as Q plates anymore, it will be given an age related plate or in other words be allowed to retain its current one. will probably need a new chassis number though which you can make :d

Q plates are still being issued, no idea where u got that from?

[burgo]

i got it off a kitcar forum so figured it was fairly accurate

[honie5]

Honestly mate your crazy but gotta love you for it I really like this car! Get it as low as you can and stick two fingers up at people that criticise (unless it's valid advice) IMO it's jealousy 99% of the time do it your way and don't be a sheep it's best way aslong as it works and looks cool then you can't be far wrong! Top work lad keep it up!

[loggyboy]

i got it off a kitcar forum so figured it was fairly accurate

No, but i've heard they do prefer to issue age related where they can, where as they used to prefer to issue Q's willy nilly.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_4022486

So due to the major chassis mods the saloon would need likely need an IVA and if it passed (unlikely) it would then be Q'd -
IF you bother telling them, which of course alot of modded, already registered cars that should be IVA'd, arent!

[matthew172]

Any progress?

[Benn]

He's looked at it and has come to a plan.... I know that much.

[scottmasterton]

Johnny, do you mind taking some more photos of the steering column and how you altered things to make it work?

[Johnny A]

All progress can be found here:
http://www.pngclub.com/forum/showthread.php?203136-Johnny-s-Nova-builds